Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

"If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are not paying then 
the government should be paying their rent.  The government should also be 
paying for any damages that occur."

Isn't it interesting that state governors (not the feds) mandated these 
lockdowns but those states are all broke and can't print money.  I don't think 
the treasury (i.e. us) should be paying for this stupidity any more than for 
the state's other unfunded obligations.  In fact, clowns like Cuomo and 
DeBlasio should sued be held personally responsible for the damage. 



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[MBZ] 1995 E320 convertible, Canadian model

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks nice. I guess the price might be fair if it's rare. Don't know
anything about them.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/hickory-hills-1995-mercedes-e320/7250604000.html


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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Huge job. Engine out, tear down.  That’s why I was wondering if a 500 could be 
easily swapped in.  My 05 E320 wagon seems decent. 

--FT
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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 10:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Arnott. Actually, I'm thinking a 2005 E320 would probably be a pretty 
> reliable car. The later E350 with the balance shaft issues, not so much, 
> unless it was documented as being fixed. I wonder how big a job that is?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: December 21, 2020 2:50 PM
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> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro 
> cars to buy cheap
> 
> They must be different between the W220 and W211. The W220 ones are rebuild 
> by the air shock guys (I can’t recall the company name, but very reputable) 
> and are around $500/each, exchange.
> 
> -D
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[MBZ] 2011 Sprinter 2500, 89K miles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://tippecanoe.craigslist.org/cto/d/lafayette-2011-mercedes-benz-144wb-450/7250756361.html

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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Arnott. Actually, I'm thinking a 2005 E320 would probably be a pretty reliable 
car. The later E350 with the balance shaft issues, not so much, unless it was 
documented as being fixed. I wonder how big a job that is?


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars 
to buy cheap

They must be different between the W220 and W211. The W220 ones are rebuild by 
the air shock guys (I can’t recall the company name, but very reputable) and 
are around $500/each, exchange.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vaccine tech

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> It really only takes a few days of work to decide on the sub 
> sequence from the viral genome to build the mRNA that will cause the 
> desired antigen.

Yes the COVID-19 vaccine was developed in two days once they had the
genetic sequence from the Chinese. All the rest of the time has been
developing and performing the clinical trials and analyzing the results.

https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/it-took-two-days-to-develop-modernas-vaccine/

mRNA technology has also shown some promising early results in
developing a cancer "vaccine" that can be tailored to the individual and
particular cancer being treated.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

And NONE of these governmental nannies are going without a paycheck
through all of the lockdowns and other nonsense they are imposing on the
rest of us. They don't even follow their own rules half the time. See
Dr. Birx gathering her extended family for Thanksgiving after telling
everyone else not to do that.

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the
> point now they government can not allow you to manage the own property
> that you have paid for. If they are going to require owners to keep
> tenants who are not paying then the government should be paying their
> rent.  The government should also be paying for any damages that
> occur.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

We had a basket  to roast them in fireplace. Worked  well.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Toaster oven works well too. Forgot to mention!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I scored them on one side and roasted them for 25 minutes at 425.
> Removed
> > from the oven and covered with a kitchen towel to steam.  Turned out
> really
> > well - sweet and mealy (in a good way).  BTW, they were jumbo sized.
> > Chinese?
> >
> >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:42 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> When I was at Penn State 40 years ago  they had native chestnut trees
> they
> >> were growing & had IV's hooked up. They did the same with the elms to
> beat
> >> Dutch Elm disease. Forestry wasa major program there
> >>
> >>
> >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 6:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have a board of chestnut in my wood pile. I used a little piece once
> to
> >>> make something, it is very pretty wood.
> >>>
> >>> I have read that there are trees making a comeback but don’t know much
> >>> about it. Apparently some were found that resisted the fungus and these
> >>> have been used to propagate more?
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iPhone
> >>>
>  On Dec 21, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  In Central PA there were houses with Chestnut woodwork. I have an
> >> antique
>  chestnut table, also  a chestnut dresser that was in our family
> >> forever.
>  Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>  Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

From what I read, there are fewer than 100 apparently resistant trees 
where chestnuts were once common, plus a few groves that were 
transplanted outside the normal range of chestnut before the blight 
(like a grove in Northern Michigan) that the blight never got to because 
they were isolated from other chestnuts.
Fenner Arboretum in Lansing apparently has some grown with nuts from up 
north.


On 2020-12-21 17:40, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:


I have read that there are trees making a comeback but don’t know much
about it. Apparently some were found that resisted the fungus and
these have been used to propagate more?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Toaster oven works well too. Forgot to mention!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I scored them on one side and roasted them for 25 minutes at 425.  Removed
> from the oven and covered with a kitchen towel to steam.  Turned out really
> well - sweet and mealy (in a good way).  BTW, they were jumbo sized.
> Chinese?
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:42 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> When I was at Penn State 40 years ago  they had native chestnut trees they
>> were growing & had IV's hooked up. They did the same with the elms to beat
>> Dutch Elm disease. Forestry wasa major program there
>> 
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 6:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a board of chestnut in my wood pile. I used a little piece once to
>>> make something, it is very pretty wood.
>>> 
>>> I have read that there are trees making a comeback but don’t know much
>>> about it. Apparently some were found that resisted the fungus and these
>>> have been used to propagate more?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 21, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 In Central PA there were houses with Chestnut woodwork. I have an
>> antique
 chestnut table, also  a chestnut dresser that was in our family
>> forever.
 Dwight E. Giles Jr.
 Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We got some to plant on the farm. Apparently they find chestnuts that are still 
alive and propagate them. You can get seedlings for free as long as you promise 
to provide chestnuts should any grow.
Ours died...

Curt

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  On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 6:41 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes wrote:   I have a board of chestnut in my wood 
pile. I used a little piece once to make something, it is very pretty wood. 

I have read that there are trees making a comeback but don’t know much about 
it. Apparently some were found that resisted the fungus and these have been 
used to propagate more?

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In Central PA there were houses with Chestnut woodwork. I have an antique
> chestnut table, also  a chestnut dresser that was in our family forever.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Chinese or European.  American ones were supposed to taste better but be 
smaller.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I scored them on one side and roasted them for 25 minutes at 425.  Removed
from the oven and covered with a kitchen towel to steam.  Turned out really
well - sweet and mealy (in a good way).  BTW, they were jumbo sized.
Chinese?

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:42 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I was at Penn State 40 years ago  they had native chestnut trees they
> were growing & had IV's hooked up. They did the same with the elms to beat
> Dutch Elm disease. Forestry wasa major program there
>
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 6:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a board of chestnut in my wood pile. I used a little piece once to
> > make something, it is very pretty wood.
> >
> > I have read that there are trees making a comeback but don’t know much
> > about it. Apparently some were found that resisted the fungus and these
> > have been used to propagate more?
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 21, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > In Central PA there were houses with Chestnut woodwork. I have an
> antique
> > > chestnut table, also  a chestnut dresser that was in our family
> forever.
> > > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch - EV Discussion

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Was a good interview.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 11:04 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> This is for Mitch - I listened to an interesting interview on NPR this
> past weekend on Freakonomics with Mary Barra, CEO of General Motors, and a
> discussion about electric cars.
>
> https://freakonomics.com/podcast/mary-barra/ <
> https://freakonomics.com/podcast/mary-barra/>
>
> They also discussed the “glass cliff” and how it might apply to her.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

When I was at Penn State 40 years ago  they had native chestnut trees they
were growing & had IV's hooked up. They did the same with the elms to beat
Dutch Elm disease. Forestry wasa major program there


Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 6:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a board of chestnut in my wood pile. I used a little piece once to
> make something, it is very pretty wood.
>
> I have read that there are trees making a comeback but don’t know much
> about it. Apparently some were found that resisted the fungus and these
> have been used to propagate more?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > In Central PA there were houses with Chestnut woodwork. I have an antique
> > chestnut table, also  a chestnut dresser that was in our family forever.
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Ours was just like Dad's usual popcorn we had every Sunday night.

Cooked in a pan with a little Mazola, piled up in a big pan until there 
was enough for everybody, then melted butter poured over it. Everybody 
added popcorn salt to taste.
Popcorn salt was extra fine, and flew out of the shaker much faster than 
table salt, so you applied it carefully.


That big mesh disc, I assume it made smoke flavored popcorn?

Mitch.

On 2020-12-21 18:33, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The second one is what we had, and he did it in our fireplace.




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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s amazing people are just handing their freedoms away daily to the point now 
they government can not allow you to manage the own property that you have paid 
for. If they are going to require owners to keep tenants who are not paying 
then the government should be paying their rent.  The government should also be 
paying for any damages that occur. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a little Texas landlording story I found on the 'net:
> 
> When we leave our place we have no choice but to see the local meth head in 
> action. I've seen pig stys that are FAR better kept. The other night when I 
> took my trash up to the receptacle I saw him outside under his "car port". He 
> was doing something and hunched over a folding table wearing a pair of 
> overalls and an old football helmet. Guy is about 40 and up close he looks 
> about 80 and is covered with scabs. His wife was outside the otherday and had 
> taken all the screens of the windows. No window washing took place. Screens 
> are just scattered around the junk car on jacks blocking the way into the car 
> port. They are WYY gone. That shit must simply own your mind and 
> soul and shit in your body as a hobby.
> 
> Lady that owns the duplex is losing her mind because our Governor put a 
> moratorium on evictions in place back in March. She can't get him out and he 
> hasn't paid her since then AND has absolutely destroyed what was at one time 
> a nice little duplex. Now it's a scab on our community.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The second one is what we had, and he did it in our fireplace.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-21 18:22, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> We had one of those disc-shaped metal screen things to do this when I
>> was a kid. I suspect you could have done popcorn in it as well, but I
>> only saw my Dad do chestnuts in it.
> 
> My dad did campfire popcorn.
> https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Campsite-Popcorn-Popper/dp/B000LGGGH4
> 
> I never saw an open mesh one before.
> https://www.etsy.com/listing/124405102/androck-vintage-campfire-popcorn-popper
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-21 18:22, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

We had one of those disc-shaped metal screen things to do this when I
was a kid. I suspect you could have done popcorn in it as well, but I
only saw my Dad do chestnuts in it.


My dad did campfire popcorn.
https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Campsite-Popcorn-Popper/dp/B000LGGGH4

I never saw an open mesh one before.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/124405102/androck-vintage-campfire-popcorn-popper

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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We had one of those disc-shaped metal screen things to do this when I was a 
kid. I suspect you could have done popcorn in it as well, but I only saw my Dad 
do chestnuts in it.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Andrew is happy as a clam in ultra liberal towns that prohibit everything. 
> 
> Andrew, if you have a wood burning fireplace, just place the chestnuts on the 
> hearth stone right in front of the fire. Works like a charm.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2020, at 2:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are charcoal grills prohibited? If so, move.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 1:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Open fires are strictly prohibited where I live.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a
 coal-fired grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> I have tried roasting chestnuts before with pretty miserable results.
 What
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When the first nut explodes, put on your safety glasses and gather up 
the others?

Mitch.

On 2020-12-21 18:17, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:


Andrew, if you have a wood burning fireplace, just place the chestnuts
on the hearth stone right in front of the fire. Works like a charm.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Andrew is happy as a clam in ultra liberal towns that prohibit everything. 

Andrew, if you have a wood burning fireplace, just place the chestnuts on the 
hearth stone right in front of the fire. Works like a charm.

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> Are charcoal grills prohibited? If so, move.
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 1:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Open fires are strictly prohibited where I live.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a
>>> coal-fired grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me.
>>> 
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 I have tried roasting chestnuts before with pretty miserable results.
>>> What
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

There has been a breeding program for decades to restore them but some serious 
scientific errors were made in the original work in the 1930s.

Chinese Chestnuts are good eating, bigger than the American ones, and smaller 
growing.  I've been known to collect them off the side of the road in the past, 
been too busy the last few years.  Not as good a quality, but the trees are 
fully blight resistant.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have a board of chestnut in my wood pile. I used a little piece once to make 
something, it is very pretty wood. 

I have read that there are trees making a comeback but don’t know much about 
it. Apparently some were found that resisted the fungus and these have been 
used to propagate more?

--FT
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> 
> In Central PA there were houses with Chestnut woodwork. I have an antique
> chestnut table, also  a chestnut dresser that was in our family forever.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Vaccine tech

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My two friends could go into excruciating detail on all that. But what little I 
have understood of what they have told seems to track with that. 

--FT
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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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Re: [MBZ] Das Schwarze Troika

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yep. That was supposed to say Das Schwarze Troika. I should have asked my buddy 
Lonnie who works there how to say all that in German. He speaks about 8 
languages fluently. 

--FT
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[MBZ] OT: Vaccine tech

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Quoting as found, perhaps some here will have the knowledge base to 
confirm or refute:


mRNA as a process is well understood and not new. mRNA as a mode of 
immunogenic antigen expression is cleaner than previous vaccine tech.


It may seemed rushed, but it wasn't in terms of creating the vaccine. 
Lots of work was already done on SARS-CoV-1 and MERS. Unlike previous 
vaccines, this one was made in the modern era where the entire viral 
genome was fully genetically sequenced and sent to labs world wide via 
email in January. No other vaccine push in history has had so many labs, 
so many companies, and so much effort and resources dumped into it 
putting everything else on the back burner. There are FIFTY EIGHT 
vaccines for COVID in various stages of testing! The mRNA vaccines are 
out first because they take the least effort to get right and put in 
testing. It really only takes a few days of work to decide on the sub 
sequence from the viral genome to build the mRNA that will cause the 
desired antigen. It is actually much simpler to do this than older 
vaccine development methods. Phase I/II/III testing looks like other 
vaccines, except more expansive. The only difference is the EUA during 
phase III after excellent studies with ongoing results showing great 
efficacy and safety were evaluated in the setting of a pandemic.


mRNA vaccines have been in the pipeline for 30 years.

The limit on the technology has always been the molecule stability 
(exonuclease and endonuclease degradation of RNA) and the ability to 
package it in a way the gets inside a cell (delivery).


The former is addressed by modifying the phosphodiester linkage (the 
means of linking one nucleoside to the next) to a phosphorothioate 
linkage (Sulfur replacing one of the Oxygens) that is poorly recognized 
by nuclease enzymes, and it turns out mRNA is more stable than 
previously thought. The latter by encapsulation or association of the 
mRNA with lipid nanoparticles.


There were mRNA vaccines developed but not needed so they weren't pushed 
further. mRNA cancer treatments did go through trials and they were 
safe, just not effective enough because it was before the tech we have 
now.


Luckily, now we have good safety and efficacy data on these mRNA 
vaccines.


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Here's a little Texas landlording story I found on the 'net:

When we leave our place we have no choice but to see the local meth head 
in action. I've seen pig stys that are FAR better kept. The other night 
when I took my trash up to the receptacle I saw him outside under his 
"car port". He was doing something and hunched over a folding table 
wearing a pair of overalls and an old football helmet. Guy is about 40 
and up close he looks about 80 and is covered with scabs. His wife was 
outside the otherday and had taken all the screens of the windows. No 
window washing took place. Screens are just scattered around the junk 
car on jacks blocking the way into the car port. They are 
WYY gone. That shit must simply own your mind and soul and 
shit in your body as a hobby.


Lady that owns the duplex is losing her mind because our Governor put a 
moratorium on evictions in place back in March. She can't get him out 
and he hasn't paid her since then AND has absolutely destroyed what was 
at one time a nice little duplex. Now it's a scab on our community.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

In Central PA there were houses with Chestnut woodwork. I have an antique
chestnut table, also  a chestnut dresser that was in our family forever.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 5:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Despite its decimation as a lumber and nut-crop species, the American
> > chestnut has not gone extinct. It is considered functionally extinct
> > because the blight fungus does not kill the tree’s root system
> > underground. The American chestnut has survived by sending up stump
> > sprouts that grow vigorously in logged or otherwise disturbed sites,
> > but inevitably succumb to the blight and die back to the ground.
>
> If the wood is so useful, odd that nobody's developed a fungicide that
> will take care of the problem. I suppose it has been tried not not been
> successful.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:

> Despite its decimation as a lumber and nut-crop species, the American
> chestnut has not gone extinct. It is considered functionally extinct
> because the blight fungus does not kill the tree’s root system
> underground. The American chestnut has survived by sending up stump
> sprouts that grow vigorously in logged or otherwise disturbed sites,
> but inevitably succumb to the blight and die back to the ground.

If the wood is so useful, odd that nobody's developed a fungicide that
will take care of the problem. I suppose it has been tried not not been
successful.

Allan












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Re: [MBZ] Dad Troika

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An Audi and a Porch?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

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The American chestnut tree (/Castanea dentata/) once dominated the 
eastern half of the U.S. Because it could grow rapidly and attain huge 
sizes, the tree was often the outstanding visual feature in both urban 
and rural landscapes. The wood was used wherever strength and 
rot-resistance was needed.


In colonial America, chestnut was a preferred species for log cabins, 
especially the bottom rot-prone foundation logs. Later posts, poles, 
flooring, and railroad ties were all made from chestnut lumber.


The edible nut was also a significant contributor to the rural economy. 
Hogs and cattle were often fattened for market by allowing them to 
forage in chestnut-dominated forests. Chestnut ripening coincided with 
the holiday season, and turn-of-the-century newspaper articles often 
showed train cars overflowing with chestnuts rolling into major cities 
to be sold fresh or roasted. The American chestnut was truly a heritage 
tree.


All of this began to change at or slightly before the turn of the 
century with the introduction of/Cryphonectria parasitica/, the causal 
agent of chestnut blight. This disease reduced the American chestnut 
from its position as the dominant tree species in the eastern forest 
ecosystem to little more than an early-succession-stage shrub. There has 
been essentially no chestnut lumber sold in the U.S. for decades, and 
the bulk of the annual 20-million-pound nut crop now comes from 
introduced chestnut species or imported nuts.


Despite its decimation as a lumber and nut-crop species, the American 
chestnut has not gone extinct. It is considered functionally extinct 
because the blight fungus does not kill the tree’s root system 
underground. The American chestnut has survived by sending up stump 
sprouts that grow vigorously in logged or otherwise disturbed sites, but 
inevitably succumb to the blight and die back to the ground.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

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On 21/12/2020 1:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I have tried roasting chestnuts before with pretty miserable results. What
is the trick?
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The chestnut version of COVID:

More than a century ago, nearly four billion American chestnut trees 
were growing in the eastern U.S. They were among the largest, tallest, 
and fastest-growing trees. The wood was rot-resistant, straight-grained, 
and suitable for furniture, fencing, and building. The nuts fed billions 
of wildlife, people and their livestock. It was almost a perfect tree, 
that is, until a blight fungus killed it more than a century ago. The 
chestnut blight has been called the greatest ecological disaster to 
strike the world’s forests in all of history.  The American chestnut 
tree survived all adversaries for 40 million years, then disappeared 
within 40.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I do.

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> Been a while, either 350 or 425 until they steam.  If you don't mind
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Re: [MBZ] Max needs an upgrade -- 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $5, 500

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yeah I should.  Might be a little high on the price?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

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Been a while, either 350 or 425 until they steam.  If you don't mind cleaning 
up, they are done when they explode.
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Re: [MBZ] Don’t make stupid offers via messenger -- 2000 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 AWD Wagon 4D,$2,800

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

In the spring of 2013, a garden variety AR-15.
Today, something from a boutique manufacturer, or a medium grade 
shotgun.

https://www.larue.com/products/16-inch-larue-tactical-obr-optimized-battle-rifle-complete-7-62-rifle/

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/881924946

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On 2020-12-21 15:25, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

What sort of legal weaponry is worth 2800 with no background check?



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Re: [MBZ] Don’t make stupid offers via messenger -- 2000 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 AWD Wagon 4D,$2,800

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What sort of legal weaponry is worth 2800 with no background check?

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> A bit high but could be a decent ride
>
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Re: [MBZ] Topless and Smart!

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Not a bad deal for a fun ride, less $500.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

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Roast at what temperature and for how long?



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> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 1:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> > > Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a
> > > coal-fired grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me.
> > >
> > > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

For months on end AK crowed about all the empty beds.  It was some sort of 
virtue signal that capacity was wide open and beds were going begging.  Now, 
there is not a spare bedpan or folding cot without people lined up for it.  It 
is to the point that medivac to SEA is no longer happening, since those 
hospitals are at capacity.  Somebody is getting very wealthy off the sick an 
dying.

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My understanding of the hospital bed "shortage" is that hospitals are
> businesses, and having an empty bed "just because" is a money losing
> proposition.  Thus the number of available beds is set based on demand and
> forecasted demand.  Chicken Little crying about the sky is falling because
> hospital beds are nearly full / nearly at capacity is deceptive
> fear-mongering.  When the demand exists, hospitals will meet it.  Back at
> the start of this panic, the US. Navy hospital ships were mobilized, one to
> each coast, and they were not used to treat Wuhan Red Death patients.  That
> would be a money losing proposition for the hospitals, so no one should be
> surprised.
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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They must be different between the W220 and W211. The W220 ones are rebuild by 
the air shock guys (I can’t recall the company name, but very reputable) and 
are around $500/each, exchange.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I looked at the cost of rebuilt air units (or maybe they were new 
> aftermarket, I forget) and a set of 4 was like $1500 I think. This was for 
> the E500 that had the offroad adventure.  Then some time to swap them, which 
> apparently is not too hard.  I suppose it would be worth it for a decent car 
> to keep it on the road after say 15 years, a hell of a lot cheaper than 
> buying a new car.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/21/20 1:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> The W211 parts (suspension) that could fail are scary expensive.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Point well taken. As you probably noticed, they made reference to various
>>> replacement parts in each of the reviews. Maybe they chose the cars due to
>>> the parts that they are able to sell for them?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 Well they do sell parts for a living
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
 
> I’m stunned that there’s an Audi on that list.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> https://blog.fcpeuro.com/5-best-used-european-luxury-cars-to-buy-cheap
>> 
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[MBZ] Don’t make stupid offers via messenger -- 2000 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 AWD Wagon 4D,$2,800

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A bit high but could be a decent ride

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/143308287343000/?ref=search_code=undefined

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Re: [MBZ] 1993 500 SEL $1,650

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

WHAT IS HE LEAVING OUT???

--FT

On 12/21/20 3:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

"passed omissions"

Maybe just the lighting but seems to have several slightly different
shades of paint?

https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/merrillville-1993-mercedes-benz-500-sl/7240216033.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT More info for all you anti-vaxxers

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On 2020-12-21 14:05, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Well they wouldn't let me take my weapon in so there's that


Hospitals and courthouses are prohibited areas in Michigan. Most 
counties with offices in the same building as the court set up their TSA 
checkpoints at the front entrance to the building. Wanna buy a dog 
license? Get in line, empty your pockets, and take off your belt...

At least we don't have metal detectors at the hospitals, yet.

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[MBZ] 1993 500 SEL $1,650

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"passed omissions"

Maybe just the lighting but seems to have several slightly different
shades of paint?

https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/merrillville-1993-mercedes-benz-500-sl/7240216033.html

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[MBZ] Max needs an upgrade -- 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 CDI Sedan 4D, $5, 500

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[MBZ] Needs a val cover gasket -- 2006 Mercedes-Benz R-Class R 350 Sport Wagon 4D, $2, 500

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And a new engine

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[MBZ] Looks nice-- 1984 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $2, 300

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The Fackbook boys should be all over this

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[MBZ] Topless and Smart!

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2009 Mercedes-Benz smart car for 2
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[MBZ] Soufside Marcus -- 2000 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 500 Sedan 4D, $1, 300

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Bring a fuse and some trans fluid!

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   Seller's description

Car run an has great bose sound system..the only problems is it needs a 
fuse in for the dash to work an the transmission keeps running hot which 
makes it spit out fluid..it probably would be best to tow it.. Come 
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Re: [MBZ] OT More info for all you anti-vaxxers

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Well they wouldn't let me take my weapon in so there's that

--FT

On 12/21/20 2:59 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

You're taking all the fun out of it Floyd.  Did they try to take your guns 
away, or cancel your voter registration?  Censor your rabble rousing?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Dec 21, 2020 2:29:32 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :


Feel free to rant!

I had a mild rxn to my booster shot last Monday so advised the study team of 
that.  Got this canned response.  I'm going in the morning to get another 
anti-body test, see if I got the actual vax and if the booster kicked in my 
immune system.  If not, I will get the actual AZ dose sometime in the near 
future.

Dr. Boy got his Pfizer stick Saturday aft, he said he only had a bit of rxn, as 
did his colleagues.  Some few reported some nausea and flu-like symptoms, but 
that might just be due to overwork he said.

--FT

Hello!

Thank you for reaching out to your COVID-19 Vaccine Trial Team! We will respond 
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should not be used for medical emergencies. *

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/We do need documentation you are eligible for the Pfizer vaccine to break the 
blind, such as appointment confirmation./Once we break the blind, we can let 
you know whether you received the Astra Zeneca vaccine or placebo.

If you find out that you were on the placebo arm, we do recommend that you 
receive the authorized vaccine offered. Additionally, if you were to receive 
the Pfizer vaccine, Astra Zeneca has asked that anyone participating in the 
study *_remain in the study after receiving the Pfizer vaccine to continue 
collecting important data_* on the safety of these vaccines.

If you find out that you received the Astra Zeneca vaccine, it is recommended 
that you receive the second dose (if you have not already received it). _There 
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Re: [MBZ] OT More info for all you anti-vaxxers

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

You're taking all the fun out of it Floyd.  Did they try to take your guns 
away, or cancel your voter registration?  Censor your rabble rousing?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Dec 21, 2020 2:29:32 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> Feel free to rant!
> 
> I had a mild rxn to my booster shot last Monday so advised the study team of 
> that.  Got this canned response.  I'm going in the morning to get another 
> anti-body test, see if I got the actual vax and if the booster kicked in my 
> immune system.  If not, I will get the actual AZ dose sometime in the near 
> future.
> 
> Dr. Boy got his Pfizer stick Saturday aft, he said he only had a bit of rxn, 
> as did his colleagues.  Some few reported some nausea and flu-like symptoms, 
> but that might just be due to overwork he said.
> 
> --FT
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Thank you for reaching out to your COVID-19 Vaccine Trial Team! We will 
> respond to your message as soon as we can. We have included some information 
> below for commonly asked questions.
> 
> *If you are having a medical emergency, please call 9-1-1! This e-mail 
> address should not be used for medical emergencies. *
> 
> **
> 
> Please note, that we will be closed for the Christmas holidays on the 
> following dates: December 24^th , 25^th , 28^th , and January 1^st . * *
> 
> **
> 
> *_Study Hub/ e-Diary Issues _*
> 
> Please contact the helpline at 1-833-258-0574 if you are having issues with 
> your e-diary. They will able to assist you in resolving any access issues.
> 
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> 
> If you are a healthcare worker with access to an authorized COVID-19 vaccine 
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> survey here: https://redcap.musc.edu/surveys/?s=PXNK333EFJ
> 
> /We do need documentation you are eligible for the Pfizer vaccine to break 
> the blind, such as appointment confirmation./Once we break the blind, we can 
> let you know whether you received the Astra Zeneca vaccine or placebo.
> 
> If you find out that you were on the placebo arm, we do recommend that you 
> receive the authorized vaccine offered. Additionally, if you were to receive 
> the Pfizer vaccine, Astra Zeneca has asked that anyone participating in the 
> study *_remain in the study after receiving the Pfizer vaccine to continue 
> collecting important data_* on the safety of these vaccines.
> 
> If you find out that you received the Astra Zeneca vaccine, it is recommended 
> that you receive the second dose (if you have not already received it). 
> _There is not currently any information regarding the two vaccines 
> together.___
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> *MUSC COVID-19 Clinical Research Team
> *Medical University of South Carolina
> 96 Jonathan Lucas Street, Suite 204 CSB, Charleston, SC 29425
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Re: [MBZ] Here's a Nice W211

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-21 13:55, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
2003 models don't carry much value as they had some early issues.  I 
bet

that one still has the Audio 50 cassette deck head unit in it!


I don't know what Audio 50 is, but my 2003 ML has a cassette deck that 
you have to push a button to close, it says right on it not to shove it 
shut.


A couple months ago I took a back door apart to replace a window 
regulator, remembered my rivet tool was in the W140 elsewhere, and my 
ML's sound system went silent on the way to get the rivet tool, never to 
emit any sound again. Did driving with a speaker unplugged cause that, 
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Re: [MBZ] Here's a Nice W211

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

2003 models don't carry much value as they had some early issues.  I bet
that one still has the Audio 50 cassette deck head unit in it!

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:56 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The guy has been pushing this on CL for the last couple of weeks,
> apparently without success:
>
>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/palm-harbor-2003-mercedes-e320/7250581611.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/palm-harbor-2003-mercedes-e320/7250581611.html
> >
>
> Doesn’t look too bad.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

My understanding of the hospital bed "shortage" is that hospitals are
businesses, and having an empty bed "just because" is a money losing
proposition.  Thus the number of available beds is set based on demand and
forecasted demand.  Chicken Little crying about the sky is falling because
hospital beds are nearly full / nearly at capacity is deceptive
fear-mongering.  When the demand exists, hospitals will meet it.  Back at
the start of this panic, the US. Navy hospital ships were mobilized, one to
each coast, and they were not used to treat Wuhan Red Death patients.  That
would be a money losing proposition for the hospitals, so no one should be
surprised.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:12 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  You do bring up a good point about hospitals being hit with shortages
> again. You'd have thought that having the summer off they'd have stocked up
> on PPE. I've certainly stocked us up on cleaners, TP and paper towels. I've
> got meat and frozen veg laid in assuming we're going to be locked down
> starting at the first of the year.
> Apparently hospital administrators don't think ahead. Angie has laid in a
> year's worth (!) of masks, rubber gloves and cleaner for her practice
> although I expect her to be closed down after the holidays.
> -Curt
>
> On Sunday, December 20, 2020, 6:11:39 PM EST, Clay Monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Short term success in this plague is no measure of long term
> effectiveness.
>
> There are small victories that have not withstood the test of time.
> Kauai, HI shut itself off for seven months and now is being hard hit by
> infections.  AK also thought it had a handle, but that early control was
> shown to be immune to the reality of disease spread.  New Zealand also
> though they had mastered it, but keeps getting hit while being sealed off
> from the world.  And the list of places that followed the narrative of
> plague control are now hotbeds.
>
> The West Coast is full of sheeple who would willingly follow mandates and
> narrative.  Yet that willingness to isolate and mask has not translated
> into a reduction.  Medical centers are filled to the gills.  Maybe the
> agenda would have been more effective had historical data been used to plan
> for the inevitable secondary and tertiary waves that would truly tax and be
> greater yet than initial contagion.  The public was shown those trends as
> they were trotted out by talking heads and officials as a means to convince
> the populace that such as thing as “flatten the curve”.  Which really just
> meant to prolong the disease until an effective response could be
> mustered.
>
> Today we are witnessing just what a sham the flat curve was.  Nobody seems
> to have bulked up a response to better handle the coming surge.  Where are
> the bigger treatment centers and beds?  Who has all the N95 masking,
> gloves, gowns that the current wave requires?  How many of the laid off
> medical staff are being repurposed to care for both the infected as well as
> those requiring normal care?  The disease has been kept at a simmer… low
> and slow.  That seems to point to an effort to keep it a crisis, not to
> effectuate a reliable treatment or cure.
>
> Now the discussion is how to triage.  Since the pooch was screwed, we will
> now be looking at providing treatment for those who can be saved instead of
> the heroics for all methods used over the last ten months.  Today, doctors
> and administrators really are deciding whose Granny gets to live and who
> they will be sending to the morgue.  An acceptance of the reality of
> lacking required resources, proper treatments, true dimensions of the
> transmission, and hubris those in charge are guilty of.  May have been more
> realistic to have allowed the thing to burn out and achieve herd immunity
> naturally.  That is what happens in Africa with Ebola, no matter how much
> prancing around WHO/UN/MSF and the Gates Foundation did.
>
> It will be decades before there is enough verifiable data to show what
> really was effective and what was tissue paper dreams.  Just like medical
> proclamation of the magic of radiation treatments has turned out to have
> been a lethal dose of false narratives.  From Marie Curie on, and that is
> just one example of modern doctors and medical professionals getting things
> oh, so, very wrong.  Diet pills, pain pills, early government endorsed
> treatments for HIV/AIDS turned out to be damaging, ineffective, or outright
> toxic and became public health embarrassments.  All that Oxy pushed by
> doctors could well be the root cause of the homeless crisis.  FDA and CDC
> endorsed the use.  Look how right they got this crisis.  Or, lets ban and
> not allow research into THC, which is very effective in treatment of many
> health issues.  Helps with side effects of chemo, ophthalmic issues, and
> might even assist in breaking fatal outcomes in opioids laces with
> fentanyl.  

Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Are charcoal grills prohibited? If so, move.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 1:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Open fires are strictly prohibited where I live.
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a
> > coal-fired grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 21, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have tried roasting chestnuts before with pretty miserable results.
> > What
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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I looked at the cost of rebuilt air units (or maybe they were new 
aftermarket, I forget) and a set of 4 was like $1500 I think. This was 
for the E500 that had the offroad adventure.  Then some time to swap 
them, which apparently is not too hard.  I suppose it would be worth it 
for a decent car to keep it on the road after say 15 years, a hell of a 
lot cheaper than buying a new car.


--FT

On 12/21/20 1:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

The W211 parts (suspension) that could fail are scary expensive.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Point well taken. As you probably noticed, they made reference to various
replacement parts in each of the reviews. Maybe they chose the cars due to
the parts that they are able to sell for them?

-D


On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Well they do sell parts for a living

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:


I’m stunned that there’s an Audi on that list.

-D


On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

https://blog.fcpeuro.com/5-best-used-european-luxury-cars-to-buy-cheap

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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Soak them a few minutes in clean water -- this will re-hydrate them a bit and 
soften the shell.

Cut an X through the rough part of the shell, if you don't they explode.  Very 
messy.

I roast them in the oven until they steam, you wan them cooked all the way 
through but not dry.

An acquired taste I think,  very starchy for a "nut" as the storage compound 
are mostly carbohydrates instead of oils.

May need an overnight soak if they are old.
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[MBZ] OT More info for all you anti-vaxxers

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Feel free to rant!

I had a mild rxn to my booster shot last Monday so advised the study 
team of that.  Got this canned response.  I'm going in the morning to 
get another anti-body test, see if I got the actual vax and if the 
booster kicked in my immune system.  If not, I will get the actual AZ 
dose sometime in the near future.


Dr. Boy got his Pfizer stick Saturday aft, he said he only had a bit of 
rxn, as did his colleagues.  Some few reported some nausea and flu-like 
symptoms, but that might just be due to overwork he said.


--FT

Hello!

Thank you for reaching out to your COVID-19 Vaccine Trial Team! We will 
respond to your message as soon as we can. We have included some 
information below for commonly asked questions.


*If you are having a medical emergency, please call 9-1-1! This e-mail 
address should not be used for medical emergencies. *


**

Please note, that we will be closed for the Christmas holidays on 
the following dates: December 24^th , 25^th , 28^th , and January 1^st . 
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Please contact the helpline at 1-833-258-0574 if you are having issues 
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issues.


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If you are a healthcare worker with access to an authorized COVID-19 
vaccine and would like to receive more information, please complete the 
unblinding survey here: https://redcap.musc.edu/surveys/?s=PXNK333EFJ


/We do need documentation you are eligible for the Pfizer vaccine to 
break the blind, such as appointment confirmation./Once we break the 
blind, we can let you know whether you received the Astra Zeneca vaccine 
or placebo.


If you find out that you were on the placebo arm, we do recommend that 
you receive the authorized vaccine offered. Additionally, if you were to 
receive the Pfizer vaccine, Astra Zeneca has asked that anyone 
participating in the study *_remain in the study after receiving the 
Pfizer vaccine to continue collecting important data_* on the safety of 
these vaccines.


If you find out that you received the Astra Zeneca vaccine, it is 
recommended that you receive the second dose (if you have not already 
received it). _There is not currently any information regarding the two 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think the tarry flavor is part of the experience, all those 
benzopyrenes...


--FT

On 12/21/20 2:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Somehow apple, cherry, maple and hickory sound more appealing than 
coal, if any smoke flavor is involved.


On 2020-12-21 13:06, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a
coal-fired grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's all the helicopter mommies who are worried about their little 
snowflakes getting sick have lots more problems.  Throw them in the 
contagion pot, let them get sick and build up some immunities, and life 
will be better later on.


--FT

On 12/21/20 1:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I got on the bandwagon when I started working in the schools in the late 1990s. 
All those little germ factories pretty much guarantee you’ll get it or 
something like it if you’re around them for any length of time. Seemed like 
cheap insurance, and it was.

I would also say that working in an elementary school pretty much guarantees 
you’ll be sick the first year, then after that your immune system becomes near 
bulletproof due to the constant exposure to all sorts of nasty stuff 
perpetrated by the ankle biters. it’s funny, as you would see first year 
teachers dropping like flies during flue season, while the legacy folks just 
taking it all in stride.

Once you earned your stripes, so to speak, you were in pretty good shape. The 
family would be wiped out sometimes during flu season and I wouldn’t even have 
the sniffles.

-D




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 wrote:

I have personally not gotten the flu in many decades despite never having
been vaccinated.  I decided about 6 years ago to stop pressing my luck, and
accepted a free vaccination at work and every year since.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


You read the little book that comes with any drug, and among 'side
effects seen in at least 2% of test subjects' there's always nausea.
Then you look at the placebo group, and they had nausea too, sometimes
at a higher rate than the treatment group.

But if the SARS-2 vax recipients feel like flu shot recipients, I
shouldn't be surprised.

Speaking of which, is there any reason to get a flu shot this year?
It seems like social distancing has all but destroyed the common flu.


On 2020-12-21 09:46, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Anyway she said she felt achy for a day or two but I wonder if some of
it might not be psychosomatic, they tell you you might feel achy and
then you feel achy. Heck I feel achy and tired at the end of most days
anyway...
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Somehow apple, cherry, maple and hickory sound more appealing than coal, 
if any smoke flavor is involved.


On 2020-12-21 13:06, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a
coal-fired grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Do they allow Jack Frost to nip at your door, or is that prohibited too?

--FT

On 12/21/20 2:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Open fires are strictly prohibited where I live.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a
coal-fired grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me.

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> I have tried roasting chestnuts before with pretty miserable
results. What
> is the trick?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Open fires are strictly prohibited where I live.

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> Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a
> coal-fired grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have tried roasting chestnuts before with pretty miserable results.
> What
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Re: [MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Open fire. In England guys are out on streets roasting them on a coal-fired 
grill. I tried some once, did not really appeal to me. 

--FT
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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have tried roasting chestnuts before with pretty miserable results. What
> is the trick?
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Re: [MBZ] Here's a Nice W211

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Looks nice. The 320 is pretty stout, the 211 is a nice ride. A little high for 
that old and miles but it would probably be a good car. Go maybe $2800 On it be 
a decent deal. 

--FT
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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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[MBZ] OT: chestnuts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I have tried roasting chestnuts before with pretty miserable results. What
is the trick?
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Re: [MBZ] Here's a Nice W211

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Looks like a good deal.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E3204matic
Wickford RI

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 12:56 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The guy has been pushing this on CL for the last couple of weeks,
> apparently without success:
>
>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/palm-harbor-2003-mercedes-e320/7250581611.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/palm-harbor-2003-mercedes-e320/7250581611.html
> >
>
> Doesn’t look too bad.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

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You must have gotten the placebo.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 1:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have only done a flu shot once. That year I got that flu worse than
> ever. Never got one again.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I got a flu shot as soon as they were available, like in September, if
> I recall. We usually get ours around the beginning of October, as our
> Internist’s practice has a “mass vaccination” day where they do the flu
> vaccine for all of the patients, something like several thousand in 3-4
> hours. It’s quite the setup. As soon as we saw it was available we jumped
> on it, so this year it was Walgreens.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You read the little book that comes with any drug, and among 'side
> effects seen in at least 2% of test subjects' there's always nausea. Then
> you look at the placebo group, and they had nausea too, sometimes at a
> higher rate than the treatment group.
> >>
> >> But if the SARS-2 vax recipients feel like flu shot recipients, I
> shouldn't be surprised.
> >>
> >> Speaking of which, is there any reason to get a flu shot this year?
> >> It seems like social distancing has all but destroyed the common flu.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2020-12-21 09:46, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Anyway she said she felt achy for a day or two but I wonder if some of
> >>> it might not be psychosomatic, they tell you you might feel achy and
> >>> then you feel achy. Heck I feel achy and tired at the end of most days
> >>> anyway...
> >>> -Curt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

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I have only done a flu shot once. That year I got that flu worse than ever. 
Never got one again. 

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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I got a flu shot as soon as they were available, like in September, if I 
> recall. We usually get ours around the beginning of October, as our 
> Internist’s practice has a “mass vaccination” day where they do the flu 
> vaccine for all of the patients, something like several thousand in 3-4 
> hours. It’s quite the setup. As soon as we saw it was available we jumped on 
> it, so this year it was Walgreens.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You read the little book that comes with any drug, and among 'side effects 
>> seen in at least 2% of test subjects' there's always nausea. Then you look 
>> at the placebo group, and they had nausea too, sometimes at a higher rate 
>> than the treatment group.
>> 
>> But if the SARS-2 vax recipients feel like flu shot recipients, I shouldn't 
>> be surprised.
>> 
>> Speaking of which, is there any reason to get a flu shot this year?
>> It seems like social distancing has all but destroyed the common flu.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2020-12-21 09:46, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Anyway she said she felt achy for a day or two but I wonder if some of
>>> it might not be psychosomatic, they tell you you might feel achy and
>>> then you feel achy. Heck I feel achy and tired at the end of most days
>>> anyway...
>>> -Curt
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

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Vintage Usenet thing, I’m showing my age. Amazingly true, however.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 1:16 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Somehow I'd managed to never hear of it but it's a pretty good rule.
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law 
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> End of thread - Godwin’s Law.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Barbaric is a better word. Are you comparing Gov. Baker to the Nazis?
> > 
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
> >>> shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
> >> 
> >> Is it too political to point out that Annelies (Anne) Frank would not
> >> have lasted a week if 1940s Dutch behaved like 2020s Americans?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

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Somehow I'd managed to never hear of it but it's a pretty good rule.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   End of thread - Godwin’s Law.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Barbaric is a better word. Are you comparing Gov. Baker to the Nazis?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:39 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
>>> shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
>> 
>> Is it too political to point out that Annelies (Anne) Frank would not
>> have lasted a week if 1940s Dutch behaved like 2020s Americans?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

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Touche.  I was only subjected to the vagaries of other adult bureaucrats.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 1:05 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I got on the bandwagon when I started working in the schools in the late
> 1990s. All those little germ factories pretty much guarantee you’ll get it
> or something like it if you’re around them for any length of time. Seemed
> like cheap insurance, and it was.
>
> I would also say that working in an elementary school pretty much
> guarantees you’ll be sick the first year, then after that your immune
> system becomes near bulletproof due to the constant exposure to all sorts
> of nasty stuff perpetrated by the ankle biters. it’s funny, as you would
> see first year teachers dropping like flies during flue season, while the
> legacy folks just taking it all in stride.
>
> Once you earned your stripes, so to speak, you were in pretty good shape.
> The family would be wiped out sometimes during flu season and I wouldn’t
> even have the sniffles.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have personally not gotten the flu in many decades despite never having
> > been vaccinated.  I decided about 6 years ago to stop pressing my luck,
> and
> > accepted a free vaccination at work and every year since.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You read the little book that comes with any drug, and among 'side
> >> effects seen in at least 2% of test subjects' there's always nausea.
> >> Then you look at the placebo group, and they had nausea too, sometimes
> >> at a higher rate than the treatment group.
> >>
> >> But if the SARS-2 vax recipients feel like flu shot recipients, I
> >> shouldn't be surprised.
> >>
> >> Speaking of which, is there any reason to get a flu shot this year?
> >> It seems like social distancing has all but destroyed the common flu.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2020-12-21 09:46, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Anyway she said she felt achy for a day or two but I wonder if some of
> >>> it might not be psychosomatic, they tell you you might feel achy and
> >>> then you feel achy. Heck I feel achy and tired at the end of most days
> >>> anyway...
> >>> -Curt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I got on the bandwagon when I started working in the schools in the late 1990s. 
All those little germ factories pretty much guarantee you’ll get it or 
something like it if you’re around them for any length of time. Seemed like 
cheap insurance, and it was.

I would also say that working in an elementary school pretty much guarantees 
you’ll be sick the first year, then after that your immune system becomes near 
bulletproof due to the constant exposure to all sorts of nasty stuff 
perpetrated by the ankle biters. it’s funny, as you would see first year 
teachers dropping like flies during flue season, while the legacy folks just 
taking it all in stride.

Once you earned your stripes, so to speak, you were in pretty good shape. The 
family would be wiped out sometimes during flu season and I wouldn’t even have 
the sniffles.

-D



> On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> I have personally not gotten the flu in many decades despite never having
> been vaccinated.  I decided about 6 years ago to stop pressing my luck, and
> accepted a free vaccination at work and every year since.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> You read the little book that comes with any drug, and among 'side
>> effects seen in at least 2% of test subjects' there's always nausea.
>> Then you look at the placebo group, and they had nausea too, sometimes
>> at a higher rate than the treatment group.
>> 
>> But if the SARS-2 vax recipients feel like flu shot recipients, I
>> shouldn't be surprised.
>> 
>> Speaking of which, is there any reason to get a flu shot this year?
>> It seems like social distancing has all but destroyed the common flu.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2020-12-21 09:46, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyway she said she felt achy for a day or two but I wonder if some of
>>> it might not be psychosomatic, they tell you you might feel achy and
>>> then you feel achy. Heck I feel achy and tired at the end of most days
>>> anyway...
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

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The W211 parts (suspension) that could fail are scary expensive.

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> Point well taken. As you probably noticed, they made reference to various
> replacement parts in each of the reviews. Maybe they chose the cars due to
> the parts that they are able to sell for them?
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well they do sell parts for a living
> >
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> I’m stunned that there’s an Audi on that list.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> https://blog.fcpeuro.com/5-best-used-european-luxury-cars-to-buy-cheap
> >>>
> >>> --
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I have personally not gotten the flu in many decades despite never having
been vaccinated.  I decided about 6 years ago to stop pressing my luck, and
accepted a free vaccination at work and every year since.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You read the little book that comes with any drug, and among 'side
> effects seen in at least 2% of test subjects' there's always nausea.
> Then you look at the placebo group, and they had nausea too, sometimes
> at a higher rate than the treatment group.
>
> But if the SARS-2 vax recipients feel like flu shot recipients, I
> shouldn't be surprised.
>
> Speaking of which, is there any reason to get a flu shot this year?
> It seems like social distancing has all but destroyed the common flu.
>
>
> On 2020-12-21 09:46, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > Anyway she said she felt achy for a day or two but I wonder if some of
> > it might not be psychosomatic, they tell you you might feel achy and
> > then you feel achy. Heck I feel achy and tired at the end of most days
> > anyway...
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

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Point well taken. As you probably noticed, they made reference to various 
replacement parts in each of the reviews. Maybe they chose the cars due to the 
parts that they are able to sell for them?

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well they do sell parts for a living
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I’m stunned that there’s an Audi on that list.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://blog.fcpeuro.com/5-best-used-european-luxury-cars-to-buy-cheap
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --FT
>>> 
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[MBZ] Here's a Nice W211

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The guy has been pushing this on CL for the last couple of weeks, apparently 
without success:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/palm-harbor-2003-mercedes-e320/7250581611.html
 


Doesn’t look too bad.

-D 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I got a flu shot as soon as they were available, like in September, if I 
recall. We usually get ours around the beginning of October, as our Internist’s 
practice has a “mass vaccination” day where they do the flu vaccine for all of 
the patients, something like several thousand in 3-4 hours. It’s quite the 
setup. As soon as we saw it was available we jumped on it, so this year it was 
Walgreens.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You read the little book that comes with any drug, and among 'side effects 
> seen in at least 2% of test subjects' there's always nausea. Then you look at 
> the placebo group, and they had nausea too, sometimes at a higher rate than 
> the treatment group.
> 
> But if the SARS-2 vax recipients feel like flu shot recipients, I shouldn't 
> be surprised.
> 
> Speaking of which, is there any reason to get a flu shot this year?
> It seems like social distancing has all but destroyed the common flu.
> 
> 
> On 2020-12-21 09:46, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Anyway she said she felt achy for a day or two but I wonder if some of
>> it might not be psychosomatic, they tell you you might feel achy and
>> then you feel achy. Heck I feel achy and tired at the end of most days
>> anyway...
>> -Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

You read the little book that comes with any drug, and among 'side 
effects seen in at least 2% of test subjects' there's always nausea. 
Then you look at the placebo group, and they had nausea too, sometimes 
at a higher rate than the treatment group.


But if the SARS-2 vax recipients feel like flu shot recipients, I 
shouldn't be surprised.


Speaking of which, is there any reason to get a flu shot this year?
It seems like social distancing has all but destroyed the common flu.


On 2020-12-21 09:46, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


Anyway she said she felt achy for a day or two but I wonder if some of
it might not be psychosomatic, they tell you you might feel achy and
then you feel achy. Heck I feel achy and tired at the end of most days
anyway...
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Well they do sell parts for a living

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I’m stunned that there’s an Audi on that list.
>
> -D
>
>> On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://blog.fcpeuro.com/5-best-used-european-luxury-cars-to-buy-cheap
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] New Benzes

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On 2020-12-21 11:14, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
I just refilled my 2014 GLK 250 Bluetec SUV:  15.2 gallons for 496 
miles =

32.xx mpg in 2/3 stop and go, 1/3 interstate driving



The lifetime average on my 2016 Cruze (1.4L GDI) was 33.x, I want to say 
33.2 when I bought it. She probably drove around the suburbs like you, 
but she wasn't driving a SUV.


I reset it at 15kmi, and it dropped below 40 the next winter, never to 
see over 39.6 again.


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Re: [MBZ] New Benzes

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Floyd said: “But the thing I mostly noticed being behind them was that the car 
is like 6ft wide and with the roll up to the cabin, you have like 4ft in there. 
There's a huge amount of width in the doors.  It looked stupid, and the people 
sitting in the front seats looked like they were in economy class on some cheap 
airline.”
That was my impression of the CLA250 loner car. If you were short and SKINNY, 
it was adequate. My guide dog would have taken up the WHOLE back seat with no 
option to curl up on the floor. It was similar to the room in the back of my 
2015 Beetle TDI Convertible!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter Passenger 144WB 1850 miles, Low Mileage Lutgart
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 7:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But the thing I mostly noticed being behind them was that the car is like 6ft 
> wide and with the roll up to the cabin, you have like 4ft in there. There's a 
> huge amount of width in the doors.  It looked stupid, and the people sitting 
> in the front seats looked like they were in economy class on some cheap 
> airline.

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Re: [MBZ] New Benzes

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 I just refilled my 2014 GLK 250 Bluetec SUV:  15.2 gallons for 496 miles =
32.xx mpg in 2/3 stop and go, 1/3 interstate driving

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:49 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I guess that is what you call it.  THe cabin looks like a canopy on an
> old fighter plane, with the big fat fuselage and a narrow canopy on
> top.  I don't know, I guess if you were somewhat small of stature it
> would be OK but I would feel like I am stuffed in a biscuit can.  Even
> in the SL which is pretty tight for me I feel OK as the sides and door
> glass are fairly straight up.  I wonder if the doors on those things are
> actually that thick, maybe because the cars are small they need the
> structure to keep the cabin from being crushed like a bug in a crash.
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/21/20 10:32 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > On 2020-12-21 09:25, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> But the thing I mostly noticed being
> >> behind them was that the car is like 6ft wide and with the roll up to
> >> the cabin, you have like 4ft in there.
> >
> > So there's a lot of tumblehome and the roofs are narrow?
> > I guess that makes sense aerodynamically and structurally, as it would
> > triangulate the roof pillars, but the purpose of a passenger car
> > should be efficient creation of passenger space.
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Re: [MBZ] 2008 *Mercedes DIESEL E CLASS MICHELIN - $6, 499 (HOLA AUTO SALES CHAMBLEE)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If it passes the PPI then that is a very reasonable price.  These are
awesome cars!

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> This looks pretty nice, probably not an unreasonable price if in good shape
>
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/d/atlanta-2008-mercedes-diesel-class/7249616842.html
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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Any newer model designed from the ground up by Ford shouldn't be less 
reliable than a Lincoln, should it?

Mitch

On 2020-12-21 10:59, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

As someone who started out wrenching for a living on Jaguars, I’ll say
this - later models after the Ford takeover in the 90s were
surprisingly reliable. They did have minor electrical issues, but
nowhere near on the scale of earlier models. My brother had a late 90s
XJ something and in the 3-4 years he owned it the visits to the shop
were nearly all for scheduled maintenance.



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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As someone who started out wrenching for a living on Jaguars, I’ll say this - 
later models after the Ford takeover in the 90s were surprisingly reliable. 
They did have minor electrical issues, but nowhere near on the scale of earlier 
models. My brother had a late 90s XJ something and in the 3-4 years he owned it 
the visits to the shop were nearly all for scheduled maintenance.

-D


> On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Theres also a Jag...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, December 21, 2020, 10:21:16 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m stunned that there’s an Audi on that list.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > https://blog.fcpeuro.com/5-best-used-european-luxury-cars-to-buy-cheap 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

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End of thread - Godwin’s Law.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Barbaric is a better word. Are you comparing Gov. Baker to the Nazis?
> 
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> 
>> On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
>>> shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Karl, I respect your medical experience and training (of which I have none).
Is your comment based on general experience or do you know specific examples
(e.g. things CDC prevented from doing or forced to do)?

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 11:35 PM


That is a reasonable question. I tend to think that had they been allowed to
do what they wanted to do, based upon their expertise in this area, rather
than being micromanaged at every turn by people with no formal training in
medicine, public health, or any other form of scientific endeavor, that
things would have been very different in terms of the course of this
epidemic and its magnitude. We have lots of examples of countries that had a
strong centralized government response, and did far better than we have in
terms of deaths per 100k.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:16 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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> Maybe the normal operations of the CDC needed interference?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 11:03 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax
>
> Sorry guys, but the topic of discussion is whether the Trump White 
> House interfered in the normal operations of the CDC during the 
> epidemic. The answer is unequivocally yes.
>
> If you want to find someone to defend the journalistic integrity of 
> the New York Times, pleas start your own thread.
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 3:54 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < 
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>
> > >It is not ad hominem to point to a track record of >dishonesty and
bias.
> > While it is not proof of a lie, it >is evidence that the NYT should 
> > not be trusted.
> >
> >
> > https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/12/18/new-york
> > -t 
> > imes-forced-to-retract-hit-isis-podcast-series-because-it-was-a-hoax
> > -n
> > 1218390
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

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Barbaric is a better word. Are you comparing Gov. Baker to the Nazis?

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> On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
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>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-21 10:23, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has
shades of WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.


Is it too political to point out that Annelies (Anne) Frank would not 
have lasted a week if 1940s Dutch behaved like 2020s Americans?


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Re: [MBZ] Mitch - EV Discussion

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-21 10:03, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


They also discussed the “glass cliff” and how it might apply to her.


I checked the timing on that.
She was announced in December 2013, took office January 2014, ignition 
recall announced February 2014. So the timing doesn't dispute that 
theory.


WRT autonomous vehicles, when people see them on US roads, most of them 
are either unhappy or outright hostile about it. It's like every town 
has at least one jerk who tries to cause a collision with the AV.
Why not put the test vehicles on the road in China, where people and 
governments are less likely to care?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

People, in general, are known to rend the bearers of news they don't want to 
hear
limb from limb, so to speak.  We are continuing to get exactly the government we
have paid for, and deserve.  God help us.

Currently I lay the blame on the infotainment industry, and the ill-considered 
positive
feedback policies of media outlets, social and otherwise.  These are currently 
NOT
designed to bring out the best in people, but rather the worst.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Really?She's a massage therapist. She's had her own practice since, well I 
forget now, 2000 maybe?
-Curt

On Monday, December 21, 2020, 11:16:51 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I don't believe I ever heard what Angie does for a living.

On 2020-12-21 10:11, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Angie has laid
> in a year's worth (!) of masks, rubber gloves and cleaner for her
> practice although I expect her to be closed down after the holidays.
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The governor is a "Republican", we all "MA Republican" anyway. He's said he 
can't legally force people to stay home and he can't force people not to gather 
in private homes, so he at least has some respect for the limits of law.
He has encouraged people to rat out their neighbors though which has shades of 
WWII Germany that I'm not excited about.
-Curt

On Monday, December 21, 2020, 10:56:21 AM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 You live in MA, right?  Will never happen...

--FT

On 12/21/20 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> My governor wants to close gyms even though he admits that the bulk of new 
> COVID cases are from holiday parties at private homes. I wrote him an email 
> suggesting he fix his rectal/cranial inversion.
> -Curt

-- 
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grooming shenanigans

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Which reminds me.Since it was broken down right in the middle of the road I 
fired up the ASV to see if we could push the PB back. Amazingly the ASV fired 
right up at 25F. It wasn't happy about it but it started. I do wish I'd 
adjusted the valves when it was warm out.
Anyway it turns out a 9,000# machine cannot push a 14,000# on a snow covered 
road. I don't actually know if the PB could be pushed at all or if the tracks 
lock when its not running. I could rock it a little bit but that was all.
Ben knew how to get it working again, he's been running that machine for 20 
years, it was handy having 2 of us though.
-Curt

On Monday, December 21, 2020, 10:43:35 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2020-12-21 09:37, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Fortunately its got a great
> big fuel filler port...

Fortunately there's a club member who can rescue a stranded diesel 
without calling road service...

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Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I don't believe I ever heard what Angie does for a living.

On 2020-12-21 10:11, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 Angie has laid
in a year's worth (!) of masks, rubber gloves and cleaner for her
practice although I expect her to be closed down after the holidays.
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Theres also a Jag...
-Curt

On Monday, December 21, 2020, 10:21:16 AM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m stunned that there’s an Audi on that list.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://blog.fcpeuro.com/5-best-used-european-luxury-cars-to-buy-cheap
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mitch - EV Discussion

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Why is it, when I read this passage, I'm hearing "let feelz set your 
corporate strategy"? (and she started with GM as an engineering student, 
this is not a liberal arts major or human resources manager)


We spoke with Barra one day after she announced that G.M. has plans to 
electrify their entire fleet of vehicles. “Climate change is real,” 
Barra told investors, “and we want to be part of the solution by putting 
everyone in an electric vehicle.”


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