Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
My modern Bluetec glk250 has way more pick up than my w123 turbo diesel
station wagon. And the fuel economy is 10 miles a gal better in mixed
driving and 13 to 14 mpg higher on the interstate.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 9:10 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> I suspect it's true for all of them, the technology has come a long way,
> even from the 1970s.
>
> -Curt
>
>  On Monday, February 21, 2022, 08:52:15 PM EST, Dwight Giles <
> dwight.gi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> is that true with MB diesels or only VW?
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 1:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > Newer diesels make a lot more power on less fuel than the older ones
> too. The 2.0l in my Jetta makes around 145hp and that's with the de-tune
> from VW. Compare that to 120hp out of the 3.0l 617 turbo. It also starts
> well in deep cold. I've started it at -5F and it fired right up, no
> complaints.
> >
> > It'll also do 55mpg pretty handily, a 617 turbo dreams of 30mpg...
> >
> > I really like the look and feel of a W123 but my Jetta is a lot easier
> to live with.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >  On Monday, February 21, 2022, 01:50:15 PM EST, Allan Streib via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.
> >
> > The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good
> compression and they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a
> working battery/alternator.
> >
> > The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate
> emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.
> >
> > I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my
> OM617s.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here.
> >> Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed
> >> all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and
> >> repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to
> >> me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is
> >> squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me
> >> its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me
> >> that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of
> >> empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice
> >> as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as
> >> people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model.
> >>
> >> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
I suspect it's true for all of them, the technology has come a long way, even 
from the 1970s.

-Curt

 On Monday, February 21, 2022, 08:52:15 PM EST, Dwight Giles 
 wrote: 


is that true with MB diesels or only VW? 

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 1:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:
> Newer diesels make a lot more power on less fuel than the older ones too. The 
> 2.0l in my Jetta makes around 145hp and that's with the de-tune from VW. 
> Compare that to 120hp out of the 3.0l 617 turbo. It also starts well in deep 
> cold. I've started it at -5F and it fired right up, no complaints.
> 
> It'll also do 55mpg pretty handily, a 617 turbo dreams of 30mpg...
> 
> I really like the look and feel of a W123 but my Jetta is a lot easier to 
> live with.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  On Monday, February 21, 2022, 01:50:15 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.
> 
> The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good compression and 
> they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a working 
> battery/alternator.
> 
> The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate 
> emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.
> 
> I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my OM617s.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here. 
>> Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed 
>> all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and 
>> repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to 
>> me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is 
>> squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me 
>> its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me 
>> that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of 
>> empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice 
>> as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as 
>> people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model. 
>>
>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
is that true with MB diesels or only VW?

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 1:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Newer diesels make a lot more power on less fuel than the older ones too.
> The 2.0l in my Jetta makes around 145hp and that's with the de-tune from
> VW. Compare that to 120hp out of the 3.0l 617 turbo. It also starts well in
> deep cold. I've started it at -5F and it fired right up, no complaints.
>
> It'll also do 55mpg pretty handily, a 617 turbo dreams of 30mpg...
>
> I really like the look and feel of a W123 but my Jetta is a lot easier to
> live with.
>
> -Curt
>
>  On Monday, February 21, 2022, 01:50:15 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.
>
> The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good compression
> and they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a working
> battery/alternator.
>
> The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate
> emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.
>
> I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my OM617s.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here.
> > Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed
> > all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and
> > repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to
> > me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is
> > squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me
> > its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me
> > that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of
> > empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice
> > as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as
> > people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model.
> >
> > AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
although my 90 300D OM 602 2.5t was a great engine. Dimitri is still
driving it. doesn't need  valve adjustments like the OM61x

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.
>
> The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good compression
> and they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a working
> battery/alternator.
>
> The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate
> emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.
>
> I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my OM617s.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here.
> > Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed
> > all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and
> > repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to
> > me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is
> > squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me
> > its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me
> > that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of
> > empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice
> > as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as
> > people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model.
> >
> > AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
totally agree Allen.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 1:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.
>
> The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good compression
> and they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a working
> battery/alternator.
>
> The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate
> emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.
>
> I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my OM617s.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here.
> > Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed
> > all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and
> > repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to
> > me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is
> > squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me
> > its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me
> > that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of
> > empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice
> > as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as
> > people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model.
> >
> > AZBob
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2000 Mercedes-Benz M-Class

2022-02-21 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
$1k max if not running. Find out what relay is referenced and why it is not 
fixed

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> Check out this item on OfferUp. https://offerup.co/2QoU7fqZPnb
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> Would this be a nightmare to resurrect? Current condition, $1K?  $1.25k?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] WiFi extender

2022-02-21 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
Also a good option.  Like a cable but without pulling cable, usually.  I
keep a pair on hand for temporary needs but my OOMA phone ran off a pair of
powerline adaptors for several years and the speed is near cat5.  But the
powerline adaptors confused my Unifi setup.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 11:19 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] WiFi extender

I use a couple of powerline Ethernet adapters.  This bridges a wire from our
main switch into the bedroom at the back end of the house.  From there, a
second Airport Express has been ganged together with the primary one.

It's not as fast back there, but it's been fast enough for our needs.  This
was cheap-cheap-cheap, as both the powerline Ethernet bricks and the Airport
Expresses were from the thrift stream.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 2000 Mercedes-Benz M-Class

2022-02-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
Interior looks good, no visible rust, and mileage isn't excessive, so that's 
three strong plusses in my book.

If it really just needs a relay that's an easy fix. Replace it and drive it 
home.

Worst case it is a solid looking chassis with some mechanical issues to sort 
out.

As it's a 22 year old non-runner try to beat the price down some. I'd take it 
for $1k if I could get it.



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> Would this be a nightmare to resurrect? Current condition, $1K?  $1.25k?
>
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[MBZ] 2000 Mercedes-Benz M-Class

2022-02-21 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
Check out this item on OfferUp. https://offerup.co/2QoU7fqZPnb

Would this be a nightmare to resurrect? Current condition, $1K?  $1.25k?

AZBob


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Re: [MBZ] WiFi extender

2022-02-21 Thread greg via Mercedes 
Another difference is that a mesh router setup does not lose speed as
regular extenders do. Most extenders cut bandwidth in half.

Greg

> A mesh network is a series of routers and extenders that are easier to
> deploy - just do it.
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 8:08 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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>
>> Ahh, if there was only a world-wide resource you could use to find out
>> more...
>>
>> Start here:
>> https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=mesh+network&crid=2QMX7DV2LN0T4&sprefix=mesh+network%2Caps%2C212&ref=nb_sb_noss_1
>> Amazon.com
>> :
>> mesh network<
>> https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=mesh+network&crid=2QMX7DV2LN0T4&sprefix=mesh+network%2Caps%2C212&ref=nb_sb_noss_1
>> >
>> Amazon.com: mesh network
>> smile.amazon.com
>> A mesh network typically consists of a router that has several wifi
>> nodes
>> that are connected to it via wifi. The "backhaul" traffic, or the
>> traffic
>> between the nodes, is carried on frequencies that are allocated just for
>> handling the traffic, not the same as the 2.4GHz or 5GHz frequencies
>> you're
>> using to surf/game/stream, whatever. The "mesh" is a combination of the
>> router and the multiple nodes that are also wifi access points spread
>> around the house.
>>
>> I use a mesh network to get wifi out to my garage and the casita in it
>> from my main (Asus) router. Some Asus models have mesh capabilities
>> built
>> into them. The nodes are just another Asus router, in my case, a lower
>> model with the same bandwidth capabilities but fewer features. The fancy
>> mesh systems like shown above are built to have everything you need. The
>> alternative was a Ubiquiti setup with an antenna beaming a signal to a
>> receiving antenna and all the related garbage that would go with it.
>> Total
>> overkill, but I did consider it...
>>
>> -D
>>
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb
>> Striplin via Mercedes 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 8:59 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] WiFi extender
>>
>> I have no clue about mesh networks.
>>
>> On 2/20/2022 7:58 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Router with a mesh network. Put a node at or near him and he'll have
>> Ethernet conectivity.
>> >
>> > -D
>> > 
>> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb
>> Striplin via Mercedes 
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 8:42 PM
>> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> > Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>> > Subject: [MBZ] WiFi extender
>> >
>> > My office is on one end of the house and kids Xbox at other end. It
>> gets
>> signal back there but I guess it’s not good enough to run his games. I
>> put
>> a 2nd router connected to the first in the dining room to move a signal
>> closer, but it’s still not working that great.
>> >
>> > Aside from running a hard line thru the attic back there, what device
>> or
>> solution would solve this?
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2011 E350 Realtor wagon - 120k miles - $12,850

2022-02-21 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
SUPER CLEAN!

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 S550 - 130k miles - $8,500

2022-02-21 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
That’s a fairly low price if it’s in decent enough condition 

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Re: [MBZ] 2007 S550 - 130k miles - $8,500

2022-02-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
Are they not factory? They at least appear to be genuine MB?


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> Don't care much for those Wheels.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 S550 - 130k miles - $8,500

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Don't care much for those Wheels.

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[MBZ] 2007 S550 - 130k miles - $8,500

2022-02-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
No low ballers ‼️

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[MBZ] 2011 E350 Realtor wagon - 120k miles - $12,850

2022-02-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
MOTIVATED SELLER!

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-mercedes-benz-e350-wagon/7449003514.html
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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Cost of repairs depends on whether done at an indy shop or dealership.  I
replaced my 2014 GLK 250 Bluetec front strut mounts for $280 vs. a $650
dealer estimate. YMMV.

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> Newer diesels make a lot more power on less fuel than the older ones too.
> The 2.0l in my Jetta makes around 145hp and that's with the de-tune from
> VW. Compare that to 120hp out of the 3.0l 617 turbo. It also starts well in
> deep cold. I've started it at -5F and it fired right up, no complaints.
>
> It'll also do 55mpg pretty handily, a 617 turbo dreams of 30mpg...
>
> I really like the look and feel of a W123 but my Jetta is a lot easier to
> live with.
>
> -Curt
>
>  On Monday, February 21, 2022, 01:50:15 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.
>
> The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good compression
> and they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a working
> battery/alternator.
>
> The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate
> emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.
>
> I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my OM617s.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here.
> > Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed
> > all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and
> > repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to
> > me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is
> > squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me
> > its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me
> > that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of
> > empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice
> > as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as
> > people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Newer diesels make a lot more power on less fuel than the older ones too. The 
2.0l in my Jetta makes around 145hp and that's with the de-tune from VW. 
Compare that to 120hp out of the 3.0l 617 turbo. It also starts well in deep 
cold. I've started it at -5F and it fired right up, no complaints.

It'll also do 55mpg pretty handily, a 617 turbo dreams of 30mpg...

I really like the look and feel of a W123 but my Jetta is a lot easier to live 
with.

-Curt

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 wrote: 

I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.

The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good compression and 
they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a working battery/alternator.

The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate 
emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.

I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my OM617s.


On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here. 
> Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed 
> all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and 
> repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to 
> me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is 
> squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me 
> its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me 
> that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of 
> empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice 
> as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as 
> people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model. 
>
> AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
I have had this feeling but not based on any real data.

The older diesels are so simple. They just need fuel and good compression and 
they will run. They don't need a computer, or even a working battery/alternator.

The complexity of the new diesels is all about reducing the particulate 
emissions, something that gas vehicles really don't have to worry about.

I probably would not buy a modern diesel car, as much as I like my OM617s.


On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here. 
> Ran it to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed 
> all its services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and 
> repairing Mercedes’.  We talked diesels in general and he revealed to 
> me his love of older MB diesels. He told me the car in question is 
> squared away. He told me everything he has done to it, he even sent me 
> its complete service history. Then in the very next breath he told me 
> that I should run away from “modern Mercedes diesels”.  He has years of 
> empirical data and it shows that people will spend almost exactly twice 
> as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern diesels” as 
> people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same model. 
>
> AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
I saw a 2012 E350 BlueTec, 103k miles, show up at a Subaru dealer here. Ran it 
to ground and in the process talked to the shop that performed all its 
services. The dude‘s shop makes its living servicing and repairing Mercedes’.  
We talked diesels in general and he revealed to me his love of older MB 
diesels. He told me the car in question is squared away. He told me everything 
he has done to it, he even sent me its complete service history. Then in the 
very next breath he told me that I should run away from “modern Mercedes 
diesels”.  He has years of empirical data and it shows that people will spend 
almost exactly twice as much $$ to correctly maintain one of these “modern 
diesels” as people will spend to correctly maintain the gas version, same 
model. 

AZBob

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> On Feb 21, 2022, at 10:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Why all the hand wringing?  For my 2014 GLK 250, DEF is seldom needed, easy
> to replenish, and not expensive.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 11:55 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>> Seems to me that Mercedes has been particularly bad about DEF. My '15
>> Jetta has DEF and over the now 3 years that I've owned it it hasn't been a
>> problem at all. I think I've filled it 3 times, around each oil change.
>> -Curt
>> On Sunday, February 20, 2022, 12:20:48 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> Avoid DEF at all costs.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> Yep we've ranged from near 60 degree highs to single-digit lows over
>> the past few weeks. Some of the roads here are in close to third world
>> condition.
 On Sun, Feb 20, 2022, at 11:53 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
 Good point.
 There are places where the freeway doesn't frost heave.
 I keep forgetting that sometimes.
> On 2022-02-20 11:46, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> However,
> we did not notice the harsh ride when on Interstate highways, mostly in
> town and on our country back roads.
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Re: [MBZ] THIS VEHICLE IS SO CLEAN THAT ITS LIKE BUYING A NEW VEHICLE AT A USED VEHICLE PRICE. 2009 MERCEDES GL GARAGE KEPT EXCELLENT CONDITION - $8, 100 (Charlotte)

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
I can't refeal the mileage because it is so low.

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>
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Re: [MBZ] Wonder what work it needs

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
As is, where is.  Needs to be towed.

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> I need it fersher
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 300SD beater - 230k miles - $2,000

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Push button is a brilliant idea but afraid to show a photo lest someone
copy me.

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> Basically 2 bad pictures
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> > I have put a push button on the dash to start the vehicle.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This is Nice.

2022-02-21 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Without knowing more, it's at or approaching the mileage where that M103 is 
going to need a head gasket and valve guides.

Otherwise, looks clean and well-maintained.

-D

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Cc: Bob Rentfro 
Subject: [MBZ] This is Nice.

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/d/phoenix-1989-mercedes-benz-300-se/7447979547.html

What is/are the showstoppers for this attractive heap?

AZBob


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Re: [MBZ] This is Nice.

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Not a diesel.

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> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/d/phoenix-1989-mercedes-benz-300-se/7447979547.html
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> What is/are the showstoppers for this attractive heap?
>
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[MBZ] This is Nice.

2022-02-21 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/d/phoenix-1989-mercedes-benz-300-se/7447979547.html

What is/are the showstoppers for this attractive heap?

AZBob


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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Why all the hand wringing?  For my 2014 GLK 250, DEF is seldom needed, easy
to replenish, and not expensive.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 11:55 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Seems to me that Mercedes has been particularly bad about DEF. My '15
> Jetta has DEF and over the now 3 years that I've owned it it hasn't been a
> problem at all. I think I've filled it 3 times, around each oil change.
>
> -Curt
>
>  On Sunday, February 20, 2022, 12:20:48 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
> Avoid DEF at all costs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 20, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yep we've ranged from near 60 degree highs to single-digit lows over
> the past few weeks. Some of the roads here are in close to third world
> condition.
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022, at 11:53 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Good point.
> >> There are places where the freeway doesn't frost heave.
> >> I keep forgetting that sometimes.
> >>
> >>> On 2022-02-20 11:46, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> However,
> >>> we did not notice the harsh ride when on Interstate highways, mostly in
> >>> town and on our country back roads.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a 240D not a 300D !!! 1981 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D, $15, 500

2022-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Cocoa brown??  Crank windows for those who love to sprain their upper bodies

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> This looks really nice Manual transmission
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1551163505242159
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Re: [MBZ] CDI or BlueTec

2022-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Seems to me that Mercedes has been particularly bad about DEF. My '15 Jetta has 
DEF and over the now 3 years that I've owned it it hasn't been a problem at 
all. I think I've filled it 3 times, around each oil change.

-Curt

 On Sunday, February 20, 2022, 12:20:48 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

Avoid DEF at all costs.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2022, at 12:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep we've ranged from near 60 degree highs to single-digit lows over the 
> past few weeks. Some of the roads here are in close to third world condition.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022, at 11:53 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Good point.
>> There are places where the freeway doesn't frost heave.
>> I keep forgetting that sometimes.
>> 
>>> On 2022-02-20 11:46, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>> However,
>>> we did not notice the harsh ride when on Interstate highways, mostly in
>>> town and on our country back roads.
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Re: [MBZ] WiFi extender

2022-02-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
I use a couple of powerline Ethernet adapters.  This bridges a wire from our 
main switch
into the bedroom at the back end of the house.  From there, a second Airport 
Express
has been ganged together with the primary one.

It's not as fast back there, but it's been fast enough for our needs.  This was 
cheap-cheap-cheap,
as both the powerline Ethernet bricks and the Airport Expresses were from the 
thrift stream.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] CVVD engine

2022-02-21 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
Very interesting technology and a good explanation 

https://fb.watch/bjrbXr3Br5/

--FT
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[MBZ] a lot of upgrades and aftermarket parts including hoodstack. 1983 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 SD, $6, 000

2022-02-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 

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[MBZ] slammed wagon 2001 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class,$2,900

2022-02-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 

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[MBZ] 280 SE odometer stopped at 80, 000 miles 1978 Mercedes SE - $6, 000 (Charlotte)

2022-02-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 

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Re: [MBZ] I decided to give the S550

2022-02-21 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
I saw one yesterday while driving and admired its good looks.

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Re: [MBZ] Another one bites the dust

2022-02-21 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
Clapped out POS. Headed for the crusher

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