Re: [MBZ] Ex-E320

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah that's the trade-off. Buy an older used car and you don't face 
depreciation but have to deal with neglect and stuff just wearing out. You 
likely won't recover all that expense in a sale.

Buy a new car and get a warranty but lose the depreciation as well as paying 
the finance costs.

I think used generally works out better in the end but it's a bit of a gamble 
and with new the cash flow is more predictable.

I just had to buy new rear tires for the E500. The right rear had a slow leak 
that I kept refilling and never got around to plugging. Monday afternoon I took 
a left turn and heard a pop. Sidewall had rolled under the rim and was cut 
open. But the tread was nearly gone anyway so it was time. That was an 
unplanned $400 expense. I still need to spend $1,000 on air struts and who 
knows what on fixing my AC. I have realized that I have never owned a Mercedes 
with really proper working AC, it seems to be a real weakness of theirs or 
maybe I've just been buying too old.


On Wed, May 22, 2024, at 12:27, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> My son's relocating to Baltimore and sold his car.  He got $2000
> for it in a quick sale to a coworker.  He was into it about $6300,
> what with one thing and another.  Owned it 10 months.  Sucky
> ROI, unless you think that he could just as easily have bought
> a new car and lost even more.  Had it been 4wd I'd probably
> have bought it from him, but it wasn't.
>
> We kept the snow tires we'd gifted him.  He was losing enough
> money already.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone lusting for a Wabbit?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I test drove one when I was in high school. Still surprised the dealer let a 17 
year old kid take one of those out.

On Tue, May 21, 2024, at 15:06, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Cute, but odometer inoperative so TMU.
>
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[MBZ] 1999 SLK230 - 69k mi - $7,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yellow. Very.

https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/dayton-1999-mercedes/7747194034.html
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[MBZ] 2005 Mercedes E320 CDI - 213k miles - $6,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The racing stripe and extra rear badges add 2mph to the top speed.

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[MBZ] This is a car that would look much better in black

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

High miles but looks fairly nice, but the color does it no favors at all.

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Re: [MBZ] Great, All Original

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yeah roughly the same size as a W123, nearly identical in length and width but 
the W110 had a shorter wheelbase compared to a W123 Saloon. The W110 roof was a 
bit higher and more rounded I think, resulting in more interior headroom. Great 
visibility too.


On Tue, May 14, 2024, at 15:57, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I don't have a handle on how big those cars are. Are they about the 
> same size as a 123?
>
> I feel like the 1.9l VW TDI is an excellent modern diesel to 
> transplant. Its smaller, lighter, and with minor mods more powerful 
> than a stock 617 turbo.
>
> They also start a heck of a lot better when cold...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 02:26:54 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> I would keep it simple, no electronics or emissions, maybe drop a 617 
> in it, there should be room; they had straight-six engines in W110s.
>
> If the floor and rockers aren't rotted out yeah it could be something 
> to just have fun with. 
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024, at 12:59, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> Good rat rod bones. Upgrade with modern diesel drivetrain and have fun
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>>
>>> On May 14, 2024, at 12:48 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That guy has been trying to sell that for years. Initially, I think he was 
>>> asking around $5K.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of dan penoff.com 
>>> via Mercedes 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 9:32 AM
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>>> Subject: [MBZ] Great, All Original
>>> 
>>> No doubt about that…
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Great, All Original

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I would keep it simple, no electronics or emissions, maybe drop a 617 in it, 
there should be room; they had straight-six engines in W110s.

If the floor and rockers aren't rotted out yeah it could be something to just 
have fun with. 


On Tue, May 14, 2024, at 12:59, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Good rat rod bones. Upgrade with modern diesel drivetrain and have fun
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On May 14, 2024, at 12:48 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That guy has been trying to sell that for years. Initially, I think he was 
>> asking around $5K.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of dan penoff.com 
>> via Mercedes 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 9:32 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>> Cc: dan penoff.com 
>> Subject: [MBZ] Great, All Original
>> 
>> No doubt about that…
>> 
>> 
>> [438024078_451368763945443_7808100615519965404_n.jpeg]
>> 1962 190 d 
>> Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] flatdump it old but good running 1987 Mercedes-Benz sprinter 4500 cab & chassis 144" WB Cab & Chassis 2D, $6, 500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Sprinter?

On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 10:32, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Put a roll-back on this to haul old Benzes!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Current show at Okie Acres

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Yeah I looked at the northern sky last night here and didn't see anything.

On Sat, May 11, 2024, at 00:32, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Pretty far South for the Northern lights. Quite incredible.
>
> Get Outlook for Android
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Buggered 
> Benzmail via Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 10:16:01 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current show at Okie Acres
>
> WOW!!!
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 11:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone Want an RV?

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Those Blue Bird Wanderlodge RVs will never not look like school buses to me.

On Thu, May 9, 2024, at 15:34, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> A Wanderlodge is what Chip suggested I buy when we were considering 
> long term RV-ing a year or so before I retired. Just so happened he was 
> thinking about selling his at the time. 
>
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

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> Mounting points all in the right place

That's the trick. Are the measurements readily available?


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone Want an RV?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Seems like that's worth a gamble for $1k if it's not a total disaster inside. 
"Was running when parked" but how long ago was that? I'm guessing it's been a 
while.


On Thu, May 9, 2024, at 13:51, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> You don’t have it yet?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 1:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

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Self-report, with any discrepancy billed on title transfer, or possibly require 
periodic or random odometer check at BMV when you renew your registration. My 
water bill used to be this way, they would only read the meter a couple of 
times a year and we would self-report the reading monthly. That ended when they 
got remotely-readable meters a few years ago.


On Thu, May 9, 2024, at 12:24, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2024-05-09 10:42, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Mileage charge would be an equitable way to finance road maintenance.
>
> In inspection states, do it by odometer readings at inspection time.
> But I'm not willing to make Michigan into an inspection state just for 
> that.
> The obvious alternative is GPS tracking, which gets a 'hard no' from me.
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Re: [MBZ] 220D

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Interesting if it's not rusted. Manual transmission, no AC, velour seat panels. 
Grey market car? Interior needs a little TLC.

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Re: [MBZ] Perhaps the tornado was closer to Okie Acres than I thought

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By the way, where I live I just burn limbs and other yard waste from time to 
time as it accumulates, but have wondered about what to do if I really wanted 
to clear out some substantial areas. Has anyone ever rented a commercial-type 
wood chipper? Are they difficult to operate safely, and if you chip up invasive 
stuff like honeysuckle should you not use that as mulch?


On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 19:05, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Oh my. 
>
> Better re-read the chainsaw thread. 
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 8, 2024, at 4:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was out of town when it came thru the other day. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Ah yes good point I forgot about the EV tax credit. Sorta thought those had 
expired, but I guess they were renewed?

By the way, registering an EV is quite expensive here, because they need to 
make up for the loss of road fuel tax you'll no longer be paying. Another thing 
nobody tells you in advance.

On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 20:16, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2024-05-08 17:37, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Out of curiosity I checked our local Chevy dealer's website.
>> 
>> One new 2023 Bolt "EUV LT" asking $31k, one used (23k miles) appears to 
>> be exactly the same model, asking $22k.
>> 
>> So owned one year and has lost nearly 1/3 of its value.
>
> At first glance, $7500 of that is in the new vehicle tax credit.
> There are used EV credits starting in tax year 2023, but it's unclear as 
> to whether the $22k car qualifies.
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

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I wonder how Hagerty can afford to offer stated value coverage at the same 
price as Allstate's "average market value" coverage?

On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 18:56, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> And just the point to state that I am not an insurance agent, nor have 
> I played one on TV. You may very well be right, Kaleb, I would have to 
> look it up.
>
> Still, a car this old should always be on a stated value policy if you 
> want to protect your investment, no matter how small. No consolation 
> for the W115, but I’ve had it both ways, with a standard policy through 
> a mainline insurer (State Farm) or a direct policy through someone like 
> Hagerty. The policy on my former CL600 was the same price between 
> “regular” insurance and a stated value policy from Hagerty, which my 
> Allstate agent represents as well. He pointed out that despite the 
> equal cost between insurers, Hagerty would pay out stated value on a 
> total loss, Allstate would go for “retail” and most likely much, much 
> lower if there was a total loss.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 8, 2024, at 4:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Correct me if I’m wrong, but uninsured motorist is to cover your injuries.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2024, at 6:00 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ouch. As we say in my family, “Hindsight is always 50-50,” this is a 
>>> perfect example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a 
>>> $1500 car.
>>> 
>>> I’ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at 
>>> least not one that low. Wouldn’t this be covered under your uninsured 
>>> motorist part of the policy?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 8, 2024, at 3:33 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
 particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
 company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
 amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
 metal and paint.
 
 On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
 spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
 radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
 lines, and pads.
 
 D.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - How to Get a Network Connection in the Detached Garage

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35' is not so long. You could just run CAT6(a) cable no? Should be a lot 
cheaper than fiber.

On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 17:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I’ve been struggling with getting solid, reliable Internet connectivity 
> in the detached garage of the AZ house. I was pretty much set on a 
> Ubiquity PtP setup, as it’s close (roughly 35’) and would be easy to 
> do. But - I can’t get Ethernet speeds that way, which for me isn’t an 
> issue, but I’ve got someone occupying the “casita” on the back of the 
> garage that I want to be sure has good high speed connectivity.
>
> I’ve done the mesh network thing, which has worked well, and borrowed 
> some PtP Ubiquity equipment from a buddy who had some “working pulls” 
> that he loaned me temporarily. The PtP stuff does better than the mesh 
> setup, but marginally.
>
> So I continue to seek a resolution, and I believe I’ve found it:
>
> Aerial fiber with a messenger.
>
> I can buy pre-terminated multi-mode fiber for under $200. A couple of 
> fiber converters ($25/each) and the hardware (drop cable dead-ends) to 
> anchor the cable on both ends, and I’m golden.
>
> I think this is the way I’m going. Full fiber to the garage, full bandwidth.
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Out of curiosity I checked our local Chevy dealer's website.

One new 2023 Bolt "EUV LT" asking $31k, one used (23k miles) appears to be 
exactly the same model, asking $22k.

So owned one year and has lost nearly 1/3 of its value.


On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 16:38, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> FBMP has several new-ish Chevy Bolts for under $20k, the depreciation 
> on them seems pretty brutal, theres a 2019 for $13k. Down more than 
> half in 5 years.
>
> I haven't driven one yet, ought to.
>
> I suspect GM discontinuing them was hard on the value, I bet a lot of 
> people saw them getting discontinued and don't realize that isn't true 
> anymore...
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 04:32:40 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
>> All of us have multiple cars, it'd be just a matter of choosing the other 
>> one on a day when the electric car doesn't meet your needs.
>
> Exactly.  I have nothing against electric cars.  I am hugely opposed to the 
> fad,
> and the ill-considered legislative me-too that's going on.
>
> Something like a used Tesla would work very well as a member of our household,
> except that they're outrageously priced.  I hate video games with wheels, and 
> my
> wife hates parking outdoors, but somehow I suspect we'd both manage to adapt.
> Reality will not be denied.
>
> Ideal one would be older, with the 'lifetime' free charging.  And we'd 
> have to arrange
> to mostly _not_ charge at home in order to take advantage of it, 
> cheapskate that I am.
>
> Not that we're looking.
>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

This morning on my way to work I crested a hill to find a delivery van 
reversing uphill towards me in my lane. Fortunately I was able to stop. There 
are idiots everywhere.

On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 16:22, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
>> path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengrün paint with no rust,
>> took it on the chin. Literally.
>>
>> Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
>> etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from "minor"
>> damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
>> concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is on
>> a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.
>>
>> I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted. Calling
>> my agent now.
>>
>> D.
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> Subject line.
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You may want to think again on the Bolt, or be sure you have good fire 
insurance.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/recall-all-chevy-bolt-vehicles-fire-risk


On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 16:09, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I had to look up the Bolt, interestingly it was to be discontinued at 
> the end of 2023 and then strangely met its sales goals so they've 
> un-discontinued it and claim it'll keep going into 2025 at least.
>
> If I were going to get an EV its the one I'd look for, starting price 
> $27k, listed range 259 miles which we can assume is more like 250. This 
> is not an "around the town car" like people seem to assume. Its small, 
> sure but that's what I want in a commuter car. People bitch about 
> putting in a charging port but ignore what it would cost to install a 
> gas station...
>
>
> GM screwed the pooch naming the hybrid the "Volt" and saving "Bolt" for 
> the EV. I hope whoever made that decision got sacked, they truely are 
> an idiot.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

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It used to be flared off as it was essentially not worth capturing. I think 
that has changed, at least somewhat, and it's sometimes captured and used for 
on-site electrical generation, or possibly liquified and sold.


On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 20:08, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Methane leaks at wellheads, including capped/abandoned ones, are pretty 
> outrageous.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 7, 2024, at 5:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Of course you could do the same diagram for gasoline/diesel vehicles, with 
>> leaks at the oil wells, leaks at the refineries, leaks in the transport 
>> tankers, leaks at the distributors, leaks at the retail gas stations.
>> 
>> It may not be as bad as the electric scenario, but it's there. There is a 
>> lot of energy used, and attendant losses, with the production of any refined 
>> fuel. No escaping the laws of thermodynamics.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 18:54, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The electric cars themselves are quite efficient, especially with 
>>> regenerative
>>> braking.  That is not the problem, other than the self-discharge rate.
>>> 
>>> But, like the fact that they're ALL _remote_ emissions vehicles, and
>>> not _zero_ emissions vehicles, the inefficiencies in the _charging_
>>> side of the equation are never talked about.  And they're... substantial.
>>> 
>>> The Tesla has to run the AC while charging to keep the battery pack
>>> cool enough to charge safely.  You think that energy, both what is being
>>> pumped out of the pack and the energy necessary to do the pumping,
>>> is free?
>>> 
>>> "If gasoline-powered vehicles were as inefficient filling up as EV's, this
>>> is what it might look like."  <>> cars
>>> and overhead pipes, spraying out around the filler flap, people ducking
>>> and running in panic, using umbrellas, etc.>>
>>> 
>>> "But that's not how it is.  Modern gasoline-powered vehicles are clean and
>>> efficient."  Etc.
>>> 
>>> Oh, that PSA ad could be _so_ much fun!
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

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Of course you could do the same diagram for gasoline/diesel vehicles, with 
leaks at the oil wells, leaks at the refineries, leaks in the transport 
tankers, leaks at the distributors, leaks at the retail gas stations.

It may not be as bad as the electric scenario, but it's there. There is a lot 
of energy used, and attendant losses, with the production of any refined fuel. 
No escaping the laws of thermodynamics.



On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 18:54, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> The electric cars themselves are quite efficient, especially with regenerative
> braking.  That is not the problem, other than the self-discharge rate.
>
> But, like the fact that they're ALL _remote_ emissions vehicles, and
> not _zero_ emissions vehicles, the inefficiencies in the _charging_
> side of the equation are never talked about.  And they're... substantial.
>
> The Tesla has to run the AC while charging to keep the battery pack
> cool enough to charge safely.  You think that energy, both what is being
> pumped out of the pack and the energy necessary to do the pumping,
> is free?
>
> "If gasoline-powered vehicles were as inefficient filling up as EV's, this
> is what it might look like."  < and overhead pipes, spraying out around the filler flap, people ducking
> and running in panic, using umbrellas, etc.>>
>
> "But that's not how it is.  Modern gasoline-powered vehicles are clean and
> efficient."  Etc.
>
> Oh, that PSA ad could be _so_ much fun!
>
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Also, Tesla's "full self drive" is a myth, or at least it might not be what you 
think the name implies. It's adaptive cruise control with lane keeping and a 
bit of navigational awareness. 

There are plenty of stories of Teslas in FSD mode slamming into bridge 
abutments, other vehicles, fire trucks with lights and sirens active, etc.

I would be afraid to use it. I might try it on a bright sunny day on a clear 
road with good lane markings, but I'd be watching it closely. Many Tesla owners 
say it terrifies them regularly.



On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 12:49, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Tesla owners have a blind spot. They think that because the car meets 
> their needs (or they have adapted to its limitations without admitting 
> as much), it would meet anybody's needs.
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 12:19, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Tesla owner friend of mine drives anywhere/everywhere and is always close
>> to a charging station.  Very cool car, particularly in full self drive.  I
>> would own one if I could afford it.
>>
>> I almost purchased a Mercedes B250E but the 87 mile range was too short, so
>> I purchased a 2015 ML 250 Bluetec instead with a 600 mile range.
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 1:05 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will remotely consider owning an EV only when they come with a spare 5
>>> gallon container full of electrons for when it is out of charge and out of
>>> range of a place to plug it in.
>>> Point 1: They are over priced
>>> Point 2: Battery service life is limited and replacement costs far exceed
>>> the value of the car when the battery dies.
>>> Point 3: Disposal of the dead and unrepairable very expensive battery
>>> presents a huge environmental toxic waste problem, for which there is no
>>> current or near future solution.
>>> Point 4: Even at the current ownership density, the electrical grid is over
>>> task to provide sufficient electrons to "gas them up", and, strictly from
>>> the engineering view, rebuilding the electrical grid to meet present and
>>> future demands [if we all only drove EV's] would cost many Billions of
>>> dollars, and take decades to approve new power generation plants, since
>>> coal and nuke are now virtually outlawed, all viable streams have been
>>> dammed and producing at capacity, [example, Lake Meade draw down in last 3
>>> years left it nearly empty.]
>>> Point 5: If you give proper consideration to the environmental damage
>>> mining and processing of rare earth materials causes, world wide, to
>>> produce the exotic EV batteries, then add the disposal environmental
>>> problems , lack of ability to recover rare earth materials from the "dead
>>> batteries" the highly touted "EV" comes off the assembly line with an
>>> environmental toxic load that far exceeds its capacity to "Save the
>>> environment"  and that is brand new, never driven, even.
>>> Bottom line, EV's are a man made environmental disaster produced under the
>>> governmental guise of "saving the world"..
>>> { Short rant complete, note the Mercedes has structurally withdrawn from
>>> the EV marketplace.. }
>>> G. Mann ...
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The chinee are flooding Euro markets with cheepcheep EVs, in UK they are
>>> > like £12k, cheeper than anything any brit or euro builder can build and
>>> > cheaper than any other vehicle on the market.  A big RORO dumped off
>>> > like a thousand of them a few weeks ago at some UK port.  They are
>>> > likely low-powered, low-range tin cans that might appeal to some if they
>>> > have travel that would fit within the limitations of a low-end EV.  Saw
>>> > a report that the chinee are building so many more EVs than needed for
>>> > domestic consumption that they are also dumping them in Germany etc.
>>> > where they are awaiting release to the markets (if that happens).  If
>>> > the brits and euros cut their own throats with EV mandates and allowing
>>> > chinee imports that will be the death of local auto manufacturing, EV
>>> > products or not.  Not sure they would be approved for US markets but who
>>> > knows what our elected fools will do.
>>> >
>>> > The other issue that is looming as EV adoption increases is charging the
>>> > things.  You would need a home charger of some significa

Re: [MBZ] OT - Looking for a Chainsaw?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I have the regular charger. I've never waited on it (though I do have two 
batteries). I think you'll be fine with it.


On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 12:31, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Quite true, and something I mentioned previously.
>
> I just dropped a shade under $200 at HF for the saw, a 5AH battery and 
> a “regular” charger. I had a gift card for $11, a store credit for a 
> return for about $80, so my “net” was around $100 for the total.
>
> I would have liked to get the faster charger, but it was on sale this 
> week and they were cleaned out of them.
>
> -D
>
>
>> On May 7, 2024, at 8:39 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> When you compare the cost of the Milwaukee you have to remember that with 
>> another brand you'll need to buy a battery (or two) and a charger that you 
>> would not need otherwise.
>> 
>> Yes if you already have a compatible HF battery and charger then that 
>> changes things. Though I'd guess that a cordless drill would take a smaller 
>> battery than a chain saw?
>> 
>> I have two of the Atlas batteries. The mower only needs one but it has room 
>> for two for extended run time. It uses them sequentially. The chainsaw takes 
>> one, and it's nice to have another one so that you can swap in a charged 
>> battery if you are doing a lot of cutting and drain the first one.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 09:52, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Thanks Curt and others!
>>> 
>>> Yes, I have a boatload of Milwaukee M18 tools, so I’m heavily invested
>>> in their products. Not sure I can justify the cost of one of their
>>> chainsaws when I consider the amount of use versus cost.
>>> 
>>> I have a Bauer drill from a few years back, not sure how I ended up
>>> with it and I’m not sure it’s a 20V one. It’s probably still in a box
>>> somewhere, I’ll have to look. The Atlas does look nice, but it’s
>>> another system, a road I really don’t want to go down with another tool.
>>> 
>>> I’ll have a look in the garage today and see what I have as far as the
>>> Bauer drill, if I can find it. My local HF has the saw but no chargers
>>> or batteries, thanks to the sale they’ve got going right now. Might
>>> have to buy the saw and wait a week or two for them to restock chargers
>>> and batteries.
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Tesla owners have a blind spot. They think that because the car meets their 
needs (or they have adapted to its limitations without admitting as much), it 
would meet anybody's needs.

On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 12:19, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Tesla owner friend of mine drives anywhere/everywhere and is always close
> to a charging station.  Very cool car, particularly in full self drive.  I
> would own one if I could afford it.
>
> I almost purchased a Mercedes B250E but the 87 mile range was too short, so
> I purchased a 2015 ML 250 Bluetec instead with a 600 mile range.
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 1:05 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> I will remotely consider owning an EV only when they come with a spare 5
>> gallon container full of electrons for when it is out of charge and out of
>> range of a place to plug it in.
>> Point 1: They are over priced
>> Point 2: Battery service life is limited and replacement costs far exceed
>> the value of the car when the battery dies.
>> Point 3: Disposal of the dead and unrepairable very expensive battery
>> presents a huge environmental toxic waste problem, for which there is no
>> current or near future solution.
>> Point 4: Even at the current ownership density, the electrical grid is over
>> task to provide sufficient electrons to "gas them up", and, strictly from
>> the engineering view, rebuilding the electrical grid to meet present and
>> future demands [if we all only drove EV's] would cost many Billions of
>> dollars, and take decades to approve new power generation plants, since
>> coal and nuke are now virtually outlawed, all viable streams have been
>> dammed and producing at capacity, [example, Lake Meade draw down in last 3
>> years left it nearly empty.]
>> Point 5: If you give proper consideration to the environmental damage
>> mining and processing of rare earth materials causes, world wide, to
>> produce the exotic EV batteries, then add the disposal environmental
>> problems , lack of ability to recover rare earth materials from the "dead
>> batteries" the highly touted "EV" comes off the assembly line with an
>> environmental toxic load that far exceeds its capacity to "Save the
>> environment"  and that is brand new, never driven, even.
>> Bottom line, EV's are a man made environmental disaster produced under the
>> governmental guise of "saving the world"..
>> { Short rant complete, note the Mercedes has structurally withdrawn from
>> the EV marketplace.. }
>> G. Mann ...
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:37 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The chinee are flooding Euro markets with cheepcheep EVs, in UK they are
>> > like £12k, cheeper than anything any brit or euro builder can build and
>> > cheaper than any other vehicle on the market.  A big RORO dumped off
>> > like a thousand of them a few weeks ago at some UK port.  They are
>> > likely low-powered, low-range tin cans that might appeal to some if they
>> > have travel that would fit within the limitations of a low-end EV.  Saw
>> > a report that the chinee are building so many more EVs than needed for
>> > domestic consumption that they are also dumping them in Germany etc.
>> > where they are awaiting release to the markets (if that happens).  If
>> > the brits and euros cut their own throats with EV mandates and allowing
>> > chinee imports that will be the death of local auto manufacturing, EV
>> > products or not.  Not sure they would be approved for US markets but who
>> > knows what our elected fools will do.
>> >
>> > The other issue that is looming as EV adoption increases is charging the
>> > things.  You would need a home charger of some significant capacity to
>> > charge them quickly (probably minimum 40A if not much more).  For those
>> > who don't have their own house where they could install a charger, they
>> > have to rely on public chargers or in their apartment complexes etc.  It
>> > takes quite a bit of time to charge an EV although supercharging can be
>> > fairly fast but 2 problems -- the batteries can't take multiple
>> > sequential fast charges so will drop charge rate and increase charge
>> > time, and if multiple cars are at multi-outlet charging station there is
>> > not enough current from the grid to do them all at once, so the chargers
>> > choke the current among each charger and then it takes longer.  So you
>> > see these long queues at charging stations when everyone decides they
>> > need juice for tomorrow, or they are on a trip and hit a charging
>> > station along with many others, and they can sit for hours waiting for
>> > the queue to move.  Both these issues are problematic if you want to go
>> > on a longer trip in any reasonable time, or even charge your car in some
>> > reasonable time for your daily commute.
>> >
>> > Check out a youtube channel MGUY Australia, he has been putting out some
>> > pretty amazing vids about the whole technical and practical nonsense of
>> > mandating EVs.
>> 

Re: [MBZ] 2nd post about EVs

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Ford gave up on sedans and wagons a while ago. They only make SUVs and trucks 
now, I think the Mustang is the only exception.


On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 11:00, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> A friend and I were talking a couple of days ago and he said something 
> that I thought was interesting. We both agreed that Ford made an error 
> in calling one of their EVs a Mustang.
>
> He said they should have called it a Galaxy.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Electric Vehicles

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Current battery technology, while much improved over the old lead/acid "golf 
cart" batteries is still the limiting factor. The energy density is too low, 
the batteries weigh too much, and they have complicated electrical and 
temperature management needs.

The car you are describing sounds somthing like a Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, or 
Ford Focus EV (I think the Bolt is in limbo and Ford don't make the Focus EV 
anymore). They are smaller, and lighter, but as a result they have a driving 
range that is unsuitable for anything but daily local use. Most people want 
more than that if they are spending multiple 10s of thousands on a new car.

Charging is another issue, even if the energy density and weight issues are 
solved you are just not going to be able to pump that much power through a 
standard 15A wall socket in your garage. So you need to have a charging system 
installed, and possibly a service upgrade to your house, which adds thousands 
more dollars. Or rely on commercial rapid charging stations but those degrade 
the battery quicker.

Then there are the batteries, they have a limited lifespan, are not easy to 
replace, expensive to replace, don't perform well in very hot or very cold 
weather, etc. 

There are just so many unsolved problems. Though I like the idea of such a car, 
the reality is that we can't make them yet.


On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 10:58, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> I am not a real fan of the electric vehicles being pushed upon us by the 
> fools who think they are wonderful, but I see enough propaganda on a 
> daily basis to make me think about them.
>
> Some of you folks are engineers etc and likely have a better grasp of 
> this sort of thing than I do, so here are my current thoughts on the 
> subject.
>
> It appears to me that most of the current crop of electric vehicles are 
> high powered and very quick. Some or perhaps most are also all wheel 
> drive. They are also generally quite expensive. They require high 
> powered chargers to charge in reasonable periods of time and the 
> batteries do not last for the long haul and are expensive to replace.
>
> I am wondering why. Would it not make a lot of sense, if one is trying 
> to make a wholesale change to the vehicle world to build lesser 
> vehicles. Use smaller motors that use less power. That should either 
> extend the range or permit smaller batteries of perhaps both would be 
> possible. That should also result in lower electrical use for charging 
> purposes so it would be less expensive to operate them. If the battery 
> was smaller, it should weigh less and special tires might not be 
> required and the tires should last longer. Most would not require all 
> wheel drive so there would be maybe 2 motors rather than 4 of maybe 
> even, only one motor like we have enjoyed in the past. Smaller batteries 
> should be less expensive to replace. Maybe they could even be swappable 
> entities rather than require a lot of work to replace. Despite the fact 
> that "luxury" cars are  popular, there must be a market for more basic 
> cars without all of the electronic gadgetry in cars like the Tesla.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Looking for a Chainsaw?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

When you compare the cost of the Milwaukee you have to remember that with 
another brand you'll need to buy a battery (or two) and a charger that you 
would not need otherwise.

Yes if you already have a compatible HF battery and charger then that changes 
things. Though I'd guess that a cordless drill would take a smaller battery 
than a chain saw?

I have two of the Atlas batteries. The mower only needs one but it has room for 
two for extended run time. It uses them sequentially. The chainsaw takes one, 
and it's nice to have another one so that you can swap in a charged battery if 
you are doing a lot of cutting and drain the first one.


On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 09:52, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Thanks Curt and others!
>
> Yes, I have a boatload of Milwaukee M18 tools, so I’m heavily invested 
> in their products. Not sure I can justify the cost of one of their 
> chainsaws when I consider the amount of use versus cost.
>
> I have a Bauer drill from a few years back, not sure how I ended up 
> with it and I’m not sure it’s a 20V one. It’s probably still in a box 
> somewhere, I’ll have to look. The Atlas does look nice, but it’s 
> another system, a road I really don’t want to go down with another tool.
>
> I’ll have a look in the garage today and see what I have as far as the 
> Bauer drill, if I can find it. My local HF has the saw but no chargers 
> or batteries, thanks to the sale they’ve got going right now. Might 
> have to buy the saw and wait a week or two for them to restock chargers 
> and batteries.
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Looking for a Chainsaw?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Just to add, I also have their electric push mower, which uses the same 
batteries.

Except for the color and branding, it looks identical to a lot of the electric 
mowers sold at Lowes, Amazon, and other places. I don't know if the batteries 
are interchangable but I think they are all made by the same Taiwanese or 
Chinese manufacturer.



On Mon, May 6, 2024, at 20:42, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> I'm happy with my Harbor Freight Atlas battery electric chainsaw. I 
> doubt it would hold up to daily professional use but for what I need it 
> has done fine so far.
>
> If you're already invested in another battery system I would probably 
> stay with that. I don't think there's a whole lot of difference in the 
> saws.
>
> Yes, not fooling with carbs every spring, mixing two-stroke oil and 
> gas, trying to get it to start and stay running -- so nice.
>
> Allan 
>
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2024, at 19:59, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Stihl, I would expect, but does anyone have any experience with their 
>> battery-operated saws? I don’t need to fell 100-year-old Ponderosa 
>> pines onmy lot, I’ve got a guy to do that for me. But - I need to 
>> de-limb and do other light trimming.
>>
>> Battery just makes so much sense these days. I’ve got a decent used 
>> Stihl in the garage right now that needs a carb rebuild, I suspect, as 
>> I can’t get it started to save my life (it does run on ether, though!) 
>> I’m looking for easy, not more work.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Looking for a Chainsaw?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I'm happy with my Harbor Freight Atlas battery electric chainsaw. I doubt it 
would hold up to daily professional use but for what I need it has done fine so 
far.

If you're already invested in another battery system I would probably stay with 
that. I don't think there's a whole lot of difference in the saws.

Yes, not fooling with carbs every spring, mixing two-stroke oil and gas, trying 
to get it to start and stay running -- so nice.

Allan 


On Mon, May 6, 2024, at 19:59, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Stihl, I would expect, but does anyone have any experience with their 
> battery-operated saws? I don’t need to fell 100-year-old Ponderosa 
> pines onmy lot, I’ve got a guy to do that for me. But - I need to 
> de-limb and do other light trimming.
>
> Battery just makes so much sense these days. I’ve got a decent used 
> Stihl in the garage right now that needs a carb rebuild, I suspect, as 
> I can’t get it started to save my life (it does run on ether, though!) 
> I’m looking for easy, not more work.
>

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[MBZ] 1988 300E W124 - Euro Lights, All Paperwork - $5,900

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K air filter sticker caught my eye, and I don't really dig the steering wheel.

No good views of the interior. Might be nice, but we're left to guess.

https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/danville-1988-mercedes-benz-300e-w124/7743826064.html


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[MBZ] 2000 E320 Wagon - $750

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"Some rust" is putting it mildly.

I guess if you needed a beater wagon it might be worth something.

https://carbondale.craigslist.org/cto/d/murphysboro-2000-mercedes-e320-wagon/7743931157.html
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Re: [MBZ] W211 E500 more air suspension questions

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Took a look today and the car already has Arnott struts installed, at least on 
the driver's side. So they've been replaced before. I wonder if that would 
cause any issue with the core exchange?


On Wed, May 1, 2024, at 21:39, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> FCP Euro is listing only the rebuilt struts. RockAuto has both rebuilt and 
> new.
>
> Here's the Arnott page about them, but I can't say that it's 
> particularly enlightening.
>
> https://www.arnottindustries.com/all-struts-shocks/
>
> I guess what they say about the OE cores "they eventually wear out and 
> can no longer be rebuilt" makes some sense. They say theirs are 
> "Engineered & assembled in the USA"
>
> I compared the specifications, and they look the same except that the 
> rebuilt struts list "Adjustable Damping - Yes" and the new ones say No.
>
> FCP Euro lifetime warranties everything, so I'll probably buy the 
> rebuilts from them despite the higher price vs. RockAuto. Basically 
> would end up paying about $250 more for the lifetime warranty.
>
> Arnott apparently does buy cores but they list the 03-09 E-Class (W211) 
> fronts at only $50. Also if the car already has aftermarket struts (not 
> sure yet) they would not buy those.
>

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[MBZ] OT: 4-way switch troubleshooting

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I have a 4-way switch configuration in the basement (lights can be turned on or 
off from three locations). Been working fine for years.

Suddenly it's acting strange. With the lights on, switch 1 and switch 2 will 
turn the lights off, switch 3 will not. If I understand correctly, that 
indicates that 3 is the bad switch.

However, if switch 3 is in the "up" position the other two switches don't work 
(lights remain on, except briefly as the switch is toggled). There is no brief 
cutout as switch 3 is toggled.

I am thinking switch 3 is the bad one, does that sound right?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W211 E500 more air suspension questions

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FCP Euro is listing only the rebuilt struts. RockAuto has both rebuilt and new.

Here's the Arnott page about them, but I can't say that it's particularly 
enlightening.

https://www.arnottindustries.com/all-struts-shocks/

I guess what they say about the OE cores "they eventually wear out and can no 
longer be rebuilt" makes some sense. They say theirs are "Engineered & 
assembled in the USA"

I compared the specifications, and they look the same except that the rebuilt 
struts list "Adjustable Damping - Yes" and the new ones say No.

FCP Euro lifetime warranties everything, so I'll probably buy the rebuilts from 
them despite the higher price vs. RockAuto. Basically would end up paying about 
$250 more for the lifetime warranty.

Arnott apparently does buy cores but they list the 03-09 E-Class (W211) fronts 
at only $50. Also if the car already has aftermarket struts (not sure yet) they 
would not buy those.


On Wed, May 1, 2024, at 18:58, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> So the professionals are saying rebuilt Arnott rather than “new” as 
> they are made in China. Rebuilts are OE units and completely gone 
> through.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 1, 2024, at 1:16 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> People are telling me that both the rebuilt and “new” Arnotts have the same 
>> warranty (2 years?) If that’s the case, unless the core charge is something 
>> spectacular, it would seem that the new ones would be the best choice. That, 
>> or do the maths on the rebuilt ones with core and shipping charges through 
>> FCP so you get their lifetime warranty. See what Arnott is doing for cores, 
>> that is, are they purchasing cores outright? If so, you could go with new 
>> from FCP and sell off the cores to offset your costs.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 1, 2024, at 12:38 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apparently Arnott now sells "new" and "remanufactured" struts.
>>> 
>>> FCP Euro sells the rebuilt struts. Rock Auto has both.
>>> 
>>> The new ones are described as:
>>> 
>>>   This new assembly replaces the O.E. strut and features a new custom
>>>   tuned shock absorber calibrated to provide an outstanding ride and
>>>   performance. The Arnott strut includes a new air bladder from
>>>   ContiTech protected by an aluminum can along with a CNC machined top
>>>   mount made from aircraft quality aluminum. This new air strut comes
>>>   pre-assembled for easy installation and includes Arnott's long
>>>   lasting seals, bump stop, heavy duty crimping rings, and connector
>>>   valve along with a dust boot to protect the strut.
>>> 
>>> The rebuilts are:
>>> 
>>>   This Arnott rebuilt OE Mercedes-Benz air strut features a new
>>>   ContiTech air spring bladder along with a new CNC-machined aluminum
>>>   upper and lower piston.
>>> 
>>> They are only a few dollars different; the rebuilds do have a core charge 
>>> and require returning the old parts.
>>> 
>>> I wonder if the shops you heard from were talking about the "new" Arnott 
>>> struts or their rebuilds?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 1, 2024, at 12:41, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> I have not, but I’ll ask.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 1, 2024, at 8:39 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> NAPA sells some made by Dorman. Have you heard anything about those?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 22:43, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Not any more, according to a number of independent MB shops I know. 
>>>>>> They suggest that the quality of the Arnott replacement struts has been 
>>>>>> dropping off.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2024, at 1:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> FCP Euro is wanting $600 each plus $200 core charge.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rockauto $470 no core charge.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's a big difference to pay for the lifetime FCP warranty. Are the 
>>>>>>> Arnotts pretty reliable?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 14:52, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>> 19yo car, these are mainte

Re: [MBZ] W211 E500 more air suspension questions

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Apparently Arnott now sells "new" and "remanufactured" struts.

FCP Euro sells the rebuilt struts. Rock Auto has both.

The new ones are described as:

This new assembly replaces the O.E. strut and features a new custom
tuned shock absorber calibrated to provide an outstanding ride and
performance. The Arnott strut includes a new air bladder from
ContiTech protected by an aluminum can along with a CNC machined top
mount made from aircraft quality aluminum. This new air strut comes
pre-assembled for easy installation and includes Arnott's long
lasting seals, bump stop, heavy duty crimping rings, and connector
valve along with a dust boot to protect the strut.

The rebuilts are:

This Arnott rebuilt OE Mercedes-Benz air strut features a new
ContiTech air spring bladder along with a new CNC-machined aluminum
upper and lower piston.

They are only a few dollars different; the rebuilds do have a core charge and 
require returning the old parts.

I wonder if the shops you heard from were talking about the "new" Arnott struts 
or their rebuilds?



On Wed, May 1, 2024, at 12:41, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I have not, but I’ll ask.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 1, 2024, at 8:39 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> NAPA sells some made by Dorman. Have you heard anything about those?
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 22:43, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Not any more, according to a number of independent MB shops I know. 
>>> They suggest that the quality of the Arnott replacement struts has been 
>>> dropping off.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 30, 2024, at 1:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> FCP Euro is wanting $600 each plus $200 core charge.
>>>> 
>>>> Rockauto $470 no core charge.
>>>> 
>>>> That's a big difference to pay for the lifetime FCP warranty. Are the 
>>>> Arnotts pretty reliable?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 14:52, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 19yo car, these are maintenance items.  Get some Arnotts and replace 
>>>>> them both and not have to worry about it for another 10-20yr
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/30/24 1:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Still have not repaired my air leak, I know I need to do it sooner 
>>>>>> rather than later as it's probably stressing the compressor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have noticed however that the leakdown seems much more pronounced if I 
>>>>>> park with the wheels turned. Last night I parked at about 10pm with the 
>>>>>> wheels about halfway to the left, and by 8am it was all the way down. 
>>>>>> But when I park with the wheels straight it stays up or at least leaks 
>>>>>> down much more slowly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does that more definitively indicate something leaking in the strut? I 
>>>>>> just hate to spend the money on new struts if that isn't the problem. I 
>>>>>> have not found leaks anywhere using the soapy water test.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W211 E500 more air suspension questions

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RockAuto also has these by "FCS" for $365.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=11387517=1426429=7556=1387

I probably sound like I'm cheaping out, and if it were a newer car I'd not 
hesitate to just put new Bilsteins in it but the car is 20 years old. I'm 
taking more of a "keep it on the road" approach with it. Yet I want to get 
something that's not going to blow out in 18 months and especially not leave me 
on the side of the road needing a tow.

I should probably try to see what brand it has on it now, whether they are the 
factory originals or have already been replaced.

Allan


On Wed, May 1, 2024, at 12:41, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I have not, but I’ll ask.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 1, 2024, at 8:39 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> NAPA sells some made by Dorman. Have you heard anything about those?
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 22:43, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Not any more, according to a number of independent MB shops I know. 
>>> They suggest that the quality of the Arnott replacement struts has been 
>>> dropping off.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 30, 2024, at 1:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> FCP Euro is wanting $600 each plus $200 core charge.
>>>> 
>>>> Rockauto $470 no core charge.
>>>> 
>>>> That's a big difference to pay for the lifetime FCP warranty. Are the 
>>>> Arnotts pretty reliable?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 14:52, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 19yo car, these are maintenance items.  Get some Arnotts and replace 
>>>>> them both and not have to worry about it for another 10-20yr
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/30/24 1:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Still have not repaired my air leak, I know I need to do it sooner 
>>>>>> rather than later as it's probably stressing the compressor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have noticed however that the leakdown seems much more pronounced if I 
>>>>>> park with the wheels turned. Last night I parked at about 10pm with the 
>>>>>> wheels about halfway to the left, and by 8am it was all the way down. 
>>>>>> But when I park with the wheels straight it stays up or at least leaks 
>>>>>> down much more slowly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does that more definitively indicate something leaking in the strut? I 
>>>>>> just hate to spend the money on new struts if that isn't the problem. I 
>>>>>> have not found leaks anywhere using the soapy water test.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Straight 6 gas motor 1964 Unimog Troop Carrier for Sale, $11, 500

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Is that an M110 engine? The thing probably has a top speed of about 45mph. 
Seems to be missing the interior engine cover, otherwise looks pretty original.


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Re: [MBZ] W211 E500 more air suspension questions

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NAPA sells some made by Dorman. Have you heard anything about those?


On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 22:43, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Not any more, according to a number of independent MB shops I know. 
> They suggest that the quality of the Arnott replacement struts has been 
> dropping off.
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 30, 2024, at 1:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> FCP Euro is wanting $600 each plus $200 core charge.
>> 
>> Rockauto $470 no core charge.
>> 
>> That's a big difference to pay for the lifetime FCP warranty. Are the 
>> Arnotts pretty reliable?
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 14:52, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 19yo car, these are maintenance items.  Get some Arnotts and replace 
>>> them both and not have to worry about it for another 10-20yr
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 4/30/24 1:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Still have not repaired my air leak, I know I need to do it sooner rather 
>>>> than later as it's probably stressing the compressor.
>>>> 
>>>> I have noticed however that the leakdown seems much more pronounced if I 
>>>> park with the wheels turned. Last night I parked at about 10pm with the 
>>>> wheels about halfway to the left, and by 8am it was all the way down. But 
>>>> when I park with the wheels straight it stays up or at least leaks down 
>>>> much more slowly.
>>>> 
>>>> Does that more definitively indicate something leaking in the strut? I 
>>>> just hate to spend the money on new struts if that isn't the problem. I 
>>>> have not found leaks anywhere using the soapy water test.
>>>> 
>>>> Allan
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[MBZ] 2003 ML500 - 74k miles - $10,800

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Look clean, bland colors, aftermarket radio.

No tow hitch, but I guess at least you know that it hasn't been abused towing.

Ambitious price.

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/loveland-clean-2003-mercedes-benz-ml500/7742492427.html
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Re: [MBZ] W211 E500 more air suspension questions

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FCP Euro is wanting $600 each plus $200 core charge.

Rockauto $470 no core charge.

That's a big difference to pay for the lifetime FCP warranty. Are the Arnotts 
pretty reliable?


On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, at 14:52, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> 19yo car, these are maintenance items.  Get some Arnotts and replace 
> them both and not have to worry about it for another 10-20yr
>
> --FT
>
> On 4/30/24 1:19 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Still have not repaired my air leak, I know I need to do it sooner rather 
>> than later as it's probably stressing the compressor.
>>
>> I have noticed however that the leakdown seems much more pronounced if I 
>> park with the wheels turned. Last night I parked at about 10pm with the 
>> wheels about halfway to the left, and by 8am it was all the way down. But 
>> when I park with the wheels straight it stays up or at least leaks down much 
>> more slowly.
>>
>> Does that more definitively indicate something leaking in the strut? I just 
>> hate to spend the money on new struts if that isn't the problem. I have not 
>> found leaks anywhere using the soapy water test.
>>
>> Allan
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[MBZ] W211 E500 more air suspension questions

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Still have not repaired my air leak, I know I need to do it sooner rather than 
later as it's probably stressing the compressor.

I have noticed however that the leakdown seems much more pronounced if I park 
with the wheels turned. Last night I parked at about 10pm with the wheels about 
halfway to the left, and by 8am it was all the way down. But when I park with 
the wheels straight it stays up or at least leaks down much more slowly.

Does that more definitively indicate something leaking in the strut? I just 
hate to spend the money on new struts if that isn't the problem. I have not 
found leaks anywhere using the soapy water test.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty E500

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Strutmasters coilover suspension conversion will hurt the price.


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> Love the color combination.  Currently bidding at a bargain price.
>
> https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3BDlNqP5/2003-mercedes-benz-e500-sedan
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Re: [MBZ] Car has potential just need it out of my garage - 1988 560SEC - 109k miles - $3, 000

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Did you see the photos of the interior? It needs a full redo.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, at 12:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Lose the wheels and add $500 to the ask.
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 8:25 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>> $2500 wouldn’t be a bad deal if it’s in decent condition
>>
>> —FT
>>
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[MBZ] Car has potential just need it out of my garage - 1988 560SEC - 109k miles - $3, 000

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NO EMAILS
I WILL NOT REPLY TO EMAILS!!

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[MBZ] 1990 350 SDL - 101k miles - $11,500

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Looks pretty nice. I wanted an SDL for a long time but I think I'm over it.

Is this one a rodbender?

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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI 5 speed wagon on BAT

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I would have been interested but not at the price it sold for. $15K for a 20 
year old VW is putting more faith in VW parts than I have.

My Jetta was leaking rain into the interior and various fluids from the engine 
by that age. It ran great, it just had a lot of minor problems with anything 
made of rubber or plastic.


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> Curt - is this what you own?  Are they rare?  Desirable?
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-volkswagen-jetta-diesel-wagon/
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[MBZ] Kaleb is this any relation of yours?

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Just joined the women's basketball team here.

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[MBZ] I can't be bothered with punctuation

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... or useful photos, or any helpful information at all.

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Re: [MBZ] Happy Birthday, Kleb!

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Happy Birthday!. Are you at the age yet where your birthday cake looks like a 
prairie fire?


On Wed, Apr 24, 2024, at 15:13, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Y’all should take up a collection to buy me an Okie acres yard queen 
> for my birthday. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> It’s Okieboy’s birthday! Happy Birthday, Kleb!
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Re: [MBZ] MBCA

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Beer? Sounds a bit Arbeiterklasse.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024, at 21:56, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Glossy magazine.  Camaraderie.  Free beer at the annual concours/picnic.
> Various rallyes and social gatherings.
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 10:42 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> What are the benefits these days?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I recently re-joined after about a 5 year hiatus.  Events I have enjoyed
>> include the summer picnic at a member's estate, and a recent event hosted
>> by a commercial car detailer about prepping cars for the annual Deutsche
>> Marque concours to be held in Virginia next month.  I used to enjoy
>> hands-on tech sessions but those may have been discontinued.  The benefits
>> are worth the MBCA dues, IMO.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 7:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>>
>>> Currently, but supposedly going up to $100 soon. Supposedly the most
>>> expensive, or one of the most expensive, car clubs.
>>>
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>>> > On Apr 22, 2024, at 6:28 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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>>> >
>>> > $85 here or so says the site.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
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>>> >> On Apr 22, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>>> >>
>>> >> I have not been involved with them for 20 years. I have thought about
>>> signing up but not really sure I would participate in any local events. I
>>> have been told membership is getting ready to be increased to $100 per year.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> >>> Anyone participate in this group anymore?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I remember in the late 90s and the early naughts that were, at least
>>> here in AZ, not really a living group. Membership did afford me a discount
>>> when I purchased parts at the dealer, one rally-ish journey up the mountain
>>> once a year, and a Christmas Dinner.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I wonder if the group is evolving just as MB owners are evolving.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Scam? -- 1958 Mercedes-Benz 190SL - $29,000

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Condsidering it's at least $100k too low for a fully restored example, I'd say 
yes.

Google image search didn't find an exact matching image from any other sales 
sites, but with AI capabilities, one could be faked or a different background 
could be substituted.



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> Price seems very low
>
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-beach-1958-mercedes-benz/7738997145.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT bamboo

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It's not a native plant. I don't know if would end up being as bad as 
honeysuckle but we have that all over the place here and it's really hard to 
get rid of it once it gets established.

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024, at 17:51, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Anyone ever planted bamboo before? I have thought about planting it 
> along the road in front of the house. The road is gravel and im 
> thinking it might help keep the dust from blowing my way much. More 
> importantly I like the idea as a natural privacy barrier. I know it 
> grows rapidly and needs to be kept cut back. Wife is the one who 
> mentioned it. Thoughts?
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[MBZ] 1977 450sl - 101k miles - $15,900

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Like the color but one pic and the ad copy seems scammy. Who refers to himself 
as "the seller" in a CL ad?

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/tell-city-1977-mercedes-benz-450sl/7739162113.html
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Re: [MBZ] Finished paint correction on 09S550

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I might steal it out from under you.

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024, at 13:20, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Nice car. Now you can sell it to me. I guess paint correction is the 
> new term for wash buff and wax 
>
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>> On Apr 20, 2024, at 1:05 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And it looks amazing. No body dings but a fair number of ditzels from 
>> gravel etc. I’ll live with it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Due to Incredibly High Demand, I am Increasing the Price...

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No turbo and the Chysler ACC -- surprised that still works. Looks nice 
cosmetically though.

New break pads with flushing the break fluid.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2024, at 12:04, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Price is insane. City MPG would be low 20’s.
>
>
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>> On Apr 19, 2024, at 11:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/913009843961625/
>> 
>> I wonder what the real-life mpg driving around LA is.
>> 
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[MBZ] 2012 Sprinter 2500 - $19,999

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Funny ad, the last photo makes it look like his whole cleaning service is just 
a truck and a shop-vac.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/arlington-heights-2012-mercedes-benz/7738607167.html
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Re: [MBZ] BAUER 5.7 Amp, 6 in. Short-Throw Random Orbit DA Polisher/Sander for $39.99

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Yes, I have a corded model made by Fein (maybe the original maker of the type?) 
and they are great for flush cuts and fine trim work, not sure I'd think of 
reaching for it if I needed to cut openings in 3/4" subfloor but it would 
probably get the job done.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, at 12:13, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Yeah, this was one of those, “Why haven’t I tried one of these things 
> before?!?!” moments. I’ve seen them promoted for trim work and such a 
> lot, and I can see why they would be super nice for that, but I hadn’t 
> realy thought about using them for demo or other rough work. We needed 
> to cut some drywall out under a bathroom vanity/sink the other day, and 
> using a multitool made it a real walk in the park.
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> Vibratory tools have been out for awhile but I don't think the cutters were 
>> very good. Newer ones are much better and way more precise than you can be 
>> with a sawzall.
>> 
>> I've got a Makita cordless one, its going to get exercised next month 
>> cutting new heading ducts into the great northern estate. The builders put 
>> in new floors but didn't cut in any ducts, which is fine, I'm ordering 
>> nickle plated grates anyway.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 12:56:05 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yeah, I got one of those a long time ago, too - the one with the fixed head. 
>> I just needed a Sawzall equivalent for some demo work. It’s still in my 
>> toolbox 10 years later. I don’t use it much.
>> 
>> On a related note, has everyone discovered “multitools,” the things with the 
>> blade that sticks out and vibrates? When I replaced the service door on the 
>> garage in Flagstaff, I bought a nice M18 Milwaukee one. Cut through stuff 
>> like buttah, and flush, too! Just used it again last week. Why didn’t 
>> someone think these up years ago? Even a corded one would be nice.

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Re: [MBZ] BAUER 5.7 Amp, 6 in. Short-Throw Random Orbit DA Polisher/Sander for $39.99

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I bought this one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/80v-brushless-cordless-18-in-chainsaw-tool-only-56937.html

Between the saw and the battery and charger I could have bought a decent 
gas-powered saw but I don't use them often enough and always end up having 
hassles with old fuel, difficult starting, etc.

The battery electric are nice in that regard, just pop in the battery and go.

I got mine when they were offering a deal on the batteries.



On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, at 10:35, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Which Atlas saw do you have?
>
> We've got the Bauer ultra cheapie one which has been a solid saw other 
> than the tensioner stinks. The Atlas appears to have a more convention 
> chain tensioning system.
>
> I really like electric for a trimming saw because of the way the saw 
> stops pretty much immediately when you let go of the trigger. This is 
> doubly true for when I'm up on a ladder.
>
> We've got some spruce trees on the great northern estate that are 
> between the house and the telephone lines (definitely telephone, I know 
> the difference) that need to go. They're not too high yet so I think 
> with the electric saw I can take them down piece by piece off a ladder. 
> An electric saw will be the way to go...
>
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:09:10 AM EDT, Allan Streib via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> I got one of those grinders when they were on sale for $9.99. I figured 
> if I got one job done with it, it was worth it. I don't use it very 
> often but it's still working fine.
>
> I bought a Hercules battery powered impact driver and built a deck with 
> it last summer. Never gave any hint of struggling.
>
> I have an Atlas battery powered chain saw, and an electric push mower, 
> and both are great so far. I just used the chain saw to cut up a fallen 
> tree a couple of weeks ago and it did great. So nice to get it out 
> after a winter and not deal with mixing 2-stroke fuel and trying to get 
> it started.
>
> I have had to return one or two of their ratchet wrenches, but never a 
> problem exchanging them.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, at 09:56, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> I was telling a friend last week that Harbor Freight tools have really 
>> improved in the last 10 years and I think the electric tools are where 
>> the real improvement has taken place.
>>
>> I've got one of the very cheap Central Electric angle grinders, I think 
>> it was $20 or less, that I bought to cut off some bolts under the house 
>> at the great northern estate. It's eaten a hot supper and kept on 
>> going. The switch is a little flaky but I've beaten the ever loving 
>> snot out of that thing. It doesn't owe me a cent...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:04:46 AM EDT, Allan Streib via 
>> Mercedes  wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah the Bauer tools are "OK" probably decent enough for household use.
>>
>> Hard to go too wrong at that price.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, at 08:57, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Good deal for a RO DA unit for paint correction
>>>
>>> Heavy Duty Dual Action Variable Speed Polisher
>>>
>>> https://go.harborfreight.com/email/2024/04/e182939-64528
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Re: [MBZ] BAUER 5.7 Amp, 6 in. Short-Throw Random Orbit DA Polisher/Sander for $39.99

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I got one of those grinders when they were on sale for $9.99. I figured if I 
got one job done with it, it was worth it. I don't use it very often but it's 
still working fine.

I bought a Hercules battery powered impact driver and built a deck with it last 
summer. Never gave any hint of struggling.

I have an Atlas battery powered chain saw, and an electric push mower, and both 
are great so far. I just used the chain saw to cut up a fallen tree a couple of 
weeks ago and it did great. So nice to get it out after a winter and not deal 
with mixing 2-stroke fuel and trying to get it started.

I have had to return one or two of their ratchet wrenches, but never a problem 
exchanging them.


On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, at 09:56, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I was telling a friend last week that Harbor Freight tools have really 
> improved in the last 10 years and I think the electric tools are where 
> the real improvement has taken place.
>
> I've got one of the very cheap Central Electric angle grinders, I think 
> it was $20 or less, that I bought to cut off some bolts under the house 
> at the great northern estate. It's eaten a hot supper and kept on 
> going. The switch is a little flaky but I've beaten the ever loving 
> snot out of that thing. It doesn't owe me a cent...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:04:46 AM EDT, Allan Streib via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah the Bauer tools are "OK" probably decent enough for household use.
>
> Hard to go too wrong at that price.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024, at 08:57, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> Good deal for a RO DA unit for paint correction
>>
>> Heavy Duty Dual Action Variable Speed Polisher
>>
>> https://go.harborfreight.com/email/2024/04/e182939-64528
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Re: [MBZ] BAUER 5.7 Amp, 6 in. Short-Throw Random Orbit DA Polisher/Sander for $39.99

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Yeah the Bauer tools are "OK" probably decent enough for household use.

Hard to go too wrong at that price.


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>
> Heavy Duty Dual Action Variable Speed Polisher
>
> https://go.harborfreight.com/email/2024/04/e182939-64528
>
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Re: [MBZ] Euro M110 Fuel Injected Gas Straight 6 engine. , 4 speed manual transmission 1983 Mercedes-Benz 300 te, $2, 000

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A lot of mildew. Probably would need steam cleaning and an ozone treatement.

Not entirely euro, the headlights look like DOT-spec. Maybe an engine/trans 
swap was done at some point?


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> 4spd manual too!  Interesting!
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/941747534058550
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[MBZ] The shop said the engine locked up - 2011 GL350 Bluetec

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What sort of substance abuse leads the seller to believe this car is worth 
$6,000???

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/victoria-2011-mercedes-benz-gl350-matic/7738147571.html
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Re: [MBZ] 300D Manny

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Always wanted a manual in my 300D. Settled for shifting between "S" and "D" as 
needed.

Turbo is a bit slow to spool up on these, so you'd need to learn to not let the 
RPMs fall too much during shifts.


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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/959721412262078/
>
> I wonder what this would drive like?
>
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[MBZ] No title but VIN is clean and was checked by a local title professional-car last titled in Florida

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Doesn't sound shady at all.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/crystal-lake-mercedes-560sl-southern/7737582265.html
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[MBZ] 1990 420SEL - 138k miles - $6,000

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New fuel pumps! 24 years ago

Perforating rust on the front bumper -- where else?

>From the accumulation of dirt and leaves it looks like it's been sitting a 
>while.

Won't start, needs to be towed.

Not sure you knock off a zero but it's certainly not a $6k car.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/des-plaines-1990-mercedes-420-sel/7736948892.html


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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Outlook

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Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and Apple are doing their best to destroy email. 
They want you using their proprietary messaging instead.

On Sat, Apr 13, 2024, at 12:03, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Yes. iPhone has been like that for years. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 13, 2024, at 11:57 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Some update was done on my laptop and now when I look at my gmail it looks 
>> like Outlook. Suddenly, I can no longer send email to "the list" but it 
>> comes up either "dan penoff via Mercedes," or "Buggered via Mercedes," or 
>> "Floyd via Mercedes".
>> 
>> So annoying.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

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My guess would be something like an F150 or Silverado with a diesel engine.


On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, at 12:47, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I wonder what new production vehicle had the LEAST depreciation after 1 year?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:42 PM Allan Streib  wrote:
>> Tesla owners have also faced higher-than-expected depreciation, made worse 
>> by Tesla cutting prices on new vehicles as sales have fallen off.
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, at 12:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > Probably b/c their list price is ridiculously high.  I drove a loaner
>> > Mercedes EV SUV that was quite well decked out, with 185 mile range and
>> > regenerative braking.  I drove 4 miles but used only 2 miles of range due
>> > to this feature.  For the $95K asking price I would have expected a range
>> > of 300+ miles.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:25 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> And we’re surprised by this?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> <
>> >> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >> >
>> >> [1-718966.png]
>> >> Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New Vehicle<
>> >> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >> >
>> >> mbworld.org<
>> >> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >> >
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Chuckle

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Tesla owners have also faced higher-than-expected depreciation, made worse by 
Tesla cutting prices on new vehicles as sales have fallen off.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, at 12:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Probably b/c their list price is ridiculously high.  I drove a loaner
> Mercedes EV SUV that was quite well decked out, with 185 mile range and
> regenerative braking.  I drove 4 miles but used only 2 miles of range due
> to this feature.  For the $95K asking price I would have expected a range
> of 300+ miles.
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 1:25 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> And we’re surprised by this?
>>
>>
>> <
>> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >
>> [1-718966.png]
>> Mercedes EQS Reportedly Has Highest Depreciation Rate of Any New Vehicle<
>> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >
>> mbworld.org<
>> https://mbworld.org/how-tos/slideshows/mercedes-eqs-reportedly-has-highest-depreciation-rate-of-any-new-vehicle-971484
>> >
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[MBZ] 1998 S500 - 305k miles - $2,500

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Might be worth a chance as a beater for $1,500 or less, drive it until 
something expensive fails.

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/la-grange-1998-mercedes-s500/7736233036.html
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[MBZ] Holy crack

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And not just the dashboard.

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Re: [MBZ] The eclipse

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The city officials here were saying to expect several hundred thousand 
visitors. We got maybe a tenth of that. A lot of restaurants stocked up and are 
going to have a lot of food waste in the next week or two. They’re not happy.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, at 20:03, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Here in TX there were people that flew in from all over the world to see it. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 10, 2024, at 3:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Had about 4 minutes of totality here, quite a sight but not something I'd 
>> fly across the country to see. It is rather amazing how much light you still 
>> get with any bit of the sun exposed, then the sudden change to twilight when 
>> it's totally obscured.
>> 
>> Got lucky and had a cloud-free afternoon.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2024, at 13:08, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I'm teaching in Las Vegas, we got maybe 1/3 to 1/2 eclipse here. One of
>>> my friends had eclipse glasses so we got a pretty good look.
>>> 
>>> Sadly the great northern estate was right in the path of the totality.
>>> Wish I'd been able to be there. A bunch of my family went...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The eclipse

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Had about 4 minutes of totality here, quite a sight but not something I'd fly 
across the country to see. It is rather amazing how much light you still get 
with any bit of the sun exposed, then the sudden change to twilight when it's 
totally obscured.

Got lucky and had a cloud-free afternoon.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2024, at 13:08, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I'm teaching in Las Vegas, we got maybe 1/3 to 1/2 eclipse here. One of 
> my friends had eclipse glasses so we got a pretty good look.
>
> Sadly the great northern estate was right in the path of the totality. 
> Wish I'd been able to be there. A bunch of my family went...
>
> -Curt
>

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[MBZ] Brand new beaks - 2007 C280 4matic - 174k miles - $6,300

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Pretty color but the price seems crazy especially if there are any issues with 
the suspension. As I understand it, these engines are the E30 M272 and can also 
have the balance shaft problems common to that era.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-mercedes-benz/7732149604.html
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[MBZ] 1998 SL500 - 48k miles - $21,000

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Seems like a crackish price despite the low miles? Not a great color, and 
doesn't sound particularly well-maintained.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/brentwood-1998-mercedes-benz-sl500/7732340662.html


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Re: [MBZ] Tread Carefully

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Ugly wheels.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2024, at 11:39, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Interesting car and color combo whatever it is motivated by. Price not 
> crazy. Looks good, I’d drive it
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 10:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They don’t know what engine is in this car…
>> 
>> 
>> [0_lK7LfHNlYDL_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>> 1992 mercedes benz 500r 6cyl for sale by owner - Orlando, FL - 
>> craigslist
>> orlando.craigslist.org
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Re: [MBZ] Milan brown W116 300SD on BAT

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Looks very much like mine but in better condition despite mine having well 
under 200K miles.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2024, at 10:02, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Might be able to snag it for cheap.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-300sd-31/
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[MBZ] often the engine light comes on, then goes away on its own - 2007 E350 4matic - $4, 000

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Another bad engine? I guess at 196k miles it could be a variety of things. Need 
to check the VIN and engine serial numbers and read the codes.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/elgin-2007-mercedes-benz-350-4matic/7731924642.html
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[MBZ] OT: Fisker lost track of millions of dollars in customer payments

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Andrew, weren't you on a waiting list for a Fisker Ocean? Or were you lucky 
enough to get one delivered without "any form of payment at all" ??

https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/27/fisker-misplaced-payments-internal-audit-bankruptcy/


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Re: [MBZ] It’s old and slow due to being a 4 cylinder non turbo diesel

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2024, at 12:34, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> On 02/03/2024 3:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have been driving my W116 300SD more since the E500 has the suspension 
>> issue. It's got a turbo and it's still slow. Especially the way the 
>> transmission wants to shift, which keeps the revs too low for the turbo to 
>> really start working. I end up shifting manually and using the kickdown 
>> switch a lot.
>>
> Can that be adjusted in some manner?
>

Yes, but I discovered the reason this was happening. There is a rubber block in 
the accelerator linkage, located roughly above the injection pump. I assume 
it's there to absorb vibration. Years ago the rubber had separated from the 
metal plate it mounts to. When this happens, there is a lot of slop introduced 
into the linkage, and you get about 50% throttle reponse (if that), plus 
incorrect transmission shifting as the linkage that controls the transmission 
shift points is also tied in to the throttle linkage.

I reattached that rubber block with Shoe Goo, and it worked fine for a long 
time. Tuesday night driving home I suddenly lost most of the throttle response. 
I pulled over and checked it, and sure enough it had separated in the same 
place again. Must have been loose for some time and finally broke all the way.

This time I used some epoxy putty my wife bought when I asked her to pick up a 
container of plumbers putty. Figured I might as well use it for something. It's 
holding so far, and acceleration and shift points are much improved, but the 
rubber is so old I am not expecting it to last. I wonder if this part is still 
available. Otherwise I might have to fabricate something by cutting up a big 
rubber stopper or some other piece of rubber. I don't know what would be best 
to glue it in place though.

Allan

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[MBZ] Lots of awesome bells & whissles - 2012 S550 RENNtech - $16, 500

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Re: [MBZ] Dual pulley alternator belts

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Try NAPA. Autozone employees are one step up from zombies.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, at 19:42, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:
> Could anyone help or direct me to a source for the correct alternator 
> belts for my 1982 240D. It has a donor engine that may have come from a 
> 1984 300D and it  has dual belts that run from crank pulley to 
> alternator.
>
> One of the belts was destroyed and I pulled the other one off to 
> measure it.  There are no numbers or manufacturers name on the belt. 
> It measures 40.25” when measuring out side of the belt from mark to 
> mark. Width of belt is 3/16”
>
> The sales person at autozone measured it using a belt measuring tool 
> fixture and told it me it was 390 x 9.  He looped it around the two 
> ends of the tool and then stretched it out.  He did not have any belts 
> that were close to the  correct size.  
>
> Is there a correct way measure so I can order the correct belt?  
> Is there a site that lists their belts by size?
> Or if anyone could point me to a part number I would like to order a 
> couple of them.
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Mike

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[MBZ] air strut resealing

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Apparently it's possible to re-seal the airmatic struts with JB Weld or other 
epoxy.

Process described here (this is a PDF attachment at Benzwhirled)

www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/w220-s-class/321085d1279940284-airmatic-strut-epoxy-fix-_summary-epoxy-fix-airmatic-front-strut

That appears to be for a W220, would this be substantially the same as a W211 
in regards to the airmatic struts?

I'm back at trying to diagnose why the front left of the E500 sinks within a 
few hours of shutting off.

I think if the reservoir tank were leaking down it would affect the whole car 
not just one corner?

I'm guessing a leak in that strut but still trying to rule out other causes.

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Re: [MBZ] OT y’all seeing this bridge collapse?

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, at 12:57, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> Lloyds of London insurance company stock just took a giant hit, I wager
> [assuming they are the ins carrier for the shipping company..]
> Since there were cars on the bridge, any count on how many folks died in
> this disaster?

It was in the middle of the night, so it could have been a lot worse. But there 
were maintenance crews on the bridge doing work, and no doubt there was some 
traffic as well. Guessing at least dozens dead, but I have not heard a number.


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Re: [MBZ] OT y’all seeing this bridge collapse?

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> Like a house of cards...  Wonder why the far right span fell as well?

Not an engineer, but I did build a bridge out of balsa wood in high school 
physics

Anyway, the deal with these truss bridges is that the truss through compression 
and tension on its frame transfers the load of the bridge to the support piers. 
Once that framework has any substantial failure, the forces overwhelm the rest 
of it and the whole thing comes down.

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Re: [MBZ] Tamara airbag recall

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Tamara? Everything I see refers to Takata. I have not received any emails but 
found this web page:

https://www.mbusa.com/en/recall/takata-recalls


On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, at 07:39, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Did anyone else get a call about an airbag recall?  I had one the other 
> day but it didn’t say which car was involved. Just saw a FB ad from 
> MBUSA to book an appt. I guess I should call and find out which car is 
> on the list. 
>
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[MBZ] The check engine light is on but I have no idea why - 2007 ML350 - $3, 250

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I have an idea.

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[MBZ] Fiat vs Tesla

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Was in Denmark last week visiting family. It's a small country and I was paying 
for the trip out of my own pocket so I rented the smallest cheapest car listed, 
which was a Citroen C1 but I ended up being given a Fiat 500. It's actually not 
a bad little car for buzzing around in but is not going to win any drag races. 
It was made a little more fun to drive by having a 6-speed manual transmission. 
As James May said, the fun thing about a small underpowered car is that you can 
drive them at the limit of their performance all the time. I woudn't mind 
having one but it would be tough to swallow paying >$16k for a new one. It does 
have reasonably comfortable room for 4 but is so small that it doesn't have 
much other utility. Though people do apparently pull small trailers with them 
as I saw a lot of them around (and other cars of similar size) with tow 
hitches. That would be really unusual to see here in the USA.

My cousin drives an A-class Mercedes diesel. His youngest son has a new Tesla 
Model Y which I also got to drive. I have never driven a Tesla or any EV other 
than a golf cart so that was interesting. They are nice enough cars but I don't 
think I'd want one in the USA. Distances are too long and charging points still 
too sparse at least in the rural midwest where I live.





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[MBZ] 2003 E320 - 228k miles - $3,000

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Ask is a little high but might be within bargaining range if its not rusty, the 
interior is clean, and the seller is reasonable.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2003-mercedes-320/7730353955.html
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[MBZ] This is your brain on drugs - 2014 SLK 250 Salvage title for parts or rebuild - $6, 500

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Any questions?

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/chicago-2014-slk-250-salvage-title-for/7730458835.html
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[MBZ] Just google it, most bring super high prices - 1979 450 SEL - 85k miles - $6, 000

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Doesn't look terrible but not a $6k car as it sits, at least in my book.

https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/dayton-1979-mercedes-450-sel/7730459016.html
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[MBZ] Buy my damaged car that I already got paid for but didn't repair

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https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/indianapolis-1980-mercedes-benz-450sl/7727207281.html
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[MBZ] Scammers not allowed - 2012 CLS550 - $25,888

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This car was ECU tuned, not dynode but probably has more power than a CLS63

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/murfreesboro-2012-mercedes-benz-cls550/7727171037.html
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[MBZ] Everything works including message for driver and passenger - 2007 S550 AMG - $15, 000

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Collectors item

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/park-ridge-collectors-item/7727301258.html
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[MBZ] One of these pics is not like the others -- 2003 C240 - $1, 500

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Needs a few cosmetics

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/nashville-2003-mercedes-c25/7727305517.html
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Re: [MBZ] AGM Battery for ML 250

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In my experience batteries go from "works fine" to "won't hold a charge/start 
the car" very quickly without much warning. That's mostly with conventional 
batteries though, I don't have much experience with AGM batteries.


On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, at 13:50, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> But very slowly. The battery is under the front passenger seat so it does
> not get exposed to corrosive atmospheric conditions. It might Linger on
> indefinitely.
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 1:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> It’s dying Jim
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>>
>> > On Mar 14, 2024, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > It still has the original battery with the date stamped on it from the
>> > factory. It's now 9 years old and working fine, except that Eco start
>> works
>> > only sporadically and the rear hatch doesn't open fully in the morning
>> > after the car has been sitting overnight.
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 1:05 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yes. Interstate manufactured in Deutschland. If it has a problem, walk
>> in,
>> >> set it down, say it’s dead, and in 5min you’re out with a new one. Did
>> that
>> >> a couple weeks ago.
>> >>
>> >> --FT
>> >> Sent from iFōn
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 12:39 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m pretty sure anything from Costco is OK, and our resident Costco
>> >> guru, Floyd, will probably concur. I would buy a battery from Costco -
>> full
>> >> disclosure, I’m a member.
>> >>>
>> >>> -D
>> >>>
>>  On Mar 14, 2024, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >> Mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  The dealer wants $315 for a battery for my 2015 ML 250 but Costco
>> sells
>> >> a
>>  Group 49 900 CCA replacement for about half that price.  Are these a
>> >> decent
>>  brand?
>>  https://tinyurl.com/yuud85fz
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[MBZ] price is firm but will negotiate - 2003 SLK 350 - $8,500

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Purchased from Copart, no pics. For some reason I have no interest in inquiring 
further.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/hanover-park-2003-mercedes-slk-350/7727061559.html
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[MBZ] 2006 E500 wagon 4matic 75k miles - $8,700

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The checkered stripes on the doors add 10mph to the top speed.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/schaumburg-2006-mercedes-e500-wagon/7726566973.html
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[MBZ] Am told it will need new engine

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Extra zero in price. In fact, just call the local salvage yard and sell it to 
them, you'll save a lot of time and avoid a lot of stupid questions.

https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/berea-mercedes-benz/7726504910.html
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