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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Rough paint and highish miles make that a crack price 

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> On May 15, 2023, at 6:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Doesn't really look all that bad if nothing else is wrong. Depends on what 
> "needs brakes" really means though.
> 
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2005-mercedes-s500-4matic-for/7621449493.html
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Less than 19kmi?  Auction material

—FT

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> On Jan 19, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> https://www.ebay.com/itm/325504320361?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=jOqVAR7wSAW=2349624=xL9F1IEtSkq=_ver=artemis=COPY
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Could be a good $500 beater, just drive it as-is

has always been mechanically unkept 

—R

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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> So, what actually failed that lost the rod, which lost the block etc etc

My Camaro 'spun a bearing', and started with a barely perceptible knock
that got rapidly worse, over a 90 mile road trip, to the point where I was
putting it in neutral and coasting down hills, engine off, and keeping the
revs as low as possible when it was running.

Had I put many more revs on it, I'm sure it would have thrown the rod.
I was just trying to get to a town, a safe place to park and also to my
performance commitment.  After the performance, I dealt with the car.

On the diesel, perhaps he didn't notice the extra knocking, and revved
it up 'one last time', like usual?

The 190D I bought for parts, converting my 190D to stickshift, had also
thrown a rod.

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bet they put good old 10w30 in it and used exclusively for short trips it 
around town.

-Curt






On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 03:27:28 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Once he had it where he could actually inspect the car it was obvious there
was a catastrophic failure to deal with.
I'm interested in the true cause the rod failed. Oil system in the Mercedes
engines is pretty robust, and although the residual oil was black, it
wasn't more than what could be called "normal for diesel service".
So, what actually failed that lost the rod, which lost the block etc etc
etc...

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 12:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I didn’t, either.
>
> I was aboot to say the same, but you brought it up.
>
> Sooory.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 20, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. I don't hear a Canadian accent (if there is such a thing?).
> He speaks quite clearly and is obviously trying to do so.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20/09/2022 2:01 PM, greg via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Canadian accent for sure. Lots of Canadians living in the US.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >>> Are you sure? He was talking about going to Philadelphia to buy another
> >>> Bluetec. He would have a tough time getting it over the border.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> >>> mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The guy lives in Ontario or Quebec apparently.  At least he sounds
> like a
> >>> Canadian...
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 2:24 PM dan penoff.com via
> >>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>> Ouch. A perfect example of why I would not consider buying something
> at an
> >>> auction unless I could inspect it.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Sep 20, 2022, at 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
>  oops
> 
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_9Z_vUb1i0
> 
>  --
>  --FT
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Once he had it where he could actually inspect the car it was obvious there
was a catastrophic failure to deal with.
I'm interested in the true cause the rod failed. Oil system in the Mercedes
engines is pretty robust, and although the residual oil was black, it
wasn't more than what could be called "normal for diesel service".
So, what actually failed that lost the rod, which lost the block etc etc
etc...

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 12:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I didn’t, either.
>
> I was aboot to say the same, but you brought it up.
>
> Sooory.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 20, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. I don't hear a Canadian accent (if there is such a thing?).
> He speaks quite clearly and is obviously trying to do so.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20/09/2022 2:01 PM, greg via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Canadian accent for sure. Lots of Canadians living in the US.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >>> Are you sure? He was talking about going to Philadelphia to buy another
> >>> Bluetec. He would have a tough time getting it over the border.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> >>> mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The guy lives in Ontario or Quebec apparently.  At least he sounds
> like a
> >>> Canadian...
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 2:24 PM dan penoff.com via
> >>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>> Ouch. A perfect example of why I would not consider buying something
> at an
> >>> auction unless I could inspect it.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Sep 20, 2022, at 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
>  oops
> 
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_9Z_vUb1i0
> 
>  --
>  --FT
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[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I didn’t, either.

I was aboot to say the same, but you brought it up.

Sooory.

-D

> On Sep 20, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I don't hear a Canadian accent (if there is such a thing?). He 
> speaks quite clearly and is obviously trying to do so.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
> On 20/09/2022 2:01 PM, greg via Mercedes wrote:
>> Canadian accent for sure. Lots of Canadians living in the US.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>>> Are you sure? He was talking about going to Philadelphia to buy another
>>> Bluetec. He would have a tough time getting it over the border.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
>>> mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The guy lives in Ontario or Quebec apparently.  At least he sounds like a
>>> Canadian...
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 2:24 PM dan penoff.com via
>>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> Ouch. A perfect example of why I would not consider buying something at an
>>> auction unless I could inspect it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2022, at 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 
 oops
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_9Z_vUb1i0
 
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Interesting. I don't hear a Canadian accent (if there is such a thing?). 
He speaks quite clearly and is obviously trying to do so.


Randy



On 20/09/2022 2:01 PM, greg via Mercedes wrote:

Canadian accent for sure. Lots of Canadians living in the US.

Greg


Are you sure? He was talking about going to Philadelphia to buy another
Bluetec. He would have a tough time getting it over the border.

-D

On Sep 20, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The guy lives in Ontario or Quebec apparently.  At least he sounds like a
Canadian...

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 2:24 PM dan penoff.com via
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Ouch. A perfect example of why I would not consider buying something at an
auction unless I could inspect it.

-D


On Sep 20, 2022, at 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_9Z_vUb1i0

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[greg via Mercedes]

Canadian accent for sure. Lots of Canadians living in the US.

Greg

> Are you sure? He was talking about going to Philadelphia to buy another
> Bluetec. He would have a tough time getting it over the border.
>
> -D
>
> On Sep 20, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
> mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The guy lives in Ontario or Quebec apparently.  At least he sounds like a
> Canadian...
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 2:24 PM dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Ouch. A perfect example of why I would not consider buying something at an
> auction unless I could inspect it.
>
> -D
>
>> On Sep 20, 2022, at 10:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> oops
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_9Z_vUb1i0
>>
>> --
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

>
> Anybody have some of those M12 banjo lines to/from the filter to the
> injection pump on an OM 603 (or 617 is probably same size) that they would
> be willing to drop in an envelope for the right price?
>

Thanks,
Karl
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The older pumps were designed to shut down and lock out if they ran too long 
(e.g. a leak) so they wouldn't burn out or run down the battery.  Common leak 
points are the diaphragms in the pods the soft rubber Ts and Xs that connect 
the hard tubes, and the vacuum reservoir.  Recommend you research your pump to 
see if it has a reset and check fuses.

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> Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes
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> Subject: [MBZ] (no subject)
> 
> Well..the system is in default because, I think the vacuum pump is dead. No
> vacuum produced at all.
> I can open the driver's or passenger's door with the key manually(no vacuum).
> I then open the rear doors by hand.
> Of I could find a good used pump, then I can be able to figure out the system.
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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Where is the snap switch located ple[a]se? @ Jim...

IF you had one, and you definitely do not, it'd be inside the vacuum/pressure
pump that lives in the foam football inside the trunk.  It was part of the 126
cars that could only be opened from the driver's door.  The later ones have
voting circuits, also inside the pump, that allows opening the whole car from
any of the three keylocks.

-- Jim


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[Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes]

Where is the snap switch located plese? @ Jim...
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If the dealer prices are discouraging...

Do you have a local LKQ?  Some other Pick-a-part auto recycler?

Here's an online used parts market, you may be able to find a yard that has
it for cheap and can ship you a used pump:
https://www.car-part.com/index.htm
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:48 PM Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes <
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> I will remove the vacuum pump and post a photo of it.
>
> I have tested the tubing with my mitivac. No leak detected. The vacuum pump
> itself doesn't appear to be running when electrified. So I suspect the pump
> is dead..
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[Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes]

Well..the system is in default because, I think the vacuum pump is dead. No
vacuum produced at all.
I can open the driver's or passenger's door with the key manually(no
vacuum). I then open the rear doors by hand.
Of I could find a good used pump, then I can be able to figure out the
system.
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[Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes]

I will remove the vacuum pump and post a photo of it.

I have tested the tubing with my mitivac. No leak detected. The vacuum pump
itself doesn't appear to be running when electrified. So I suspect the pump
is dead..
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Give me a VIN and I can identify the part number.

-D

> On Sep 23, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The problem I suspected is the vacuum pump in the trunk. This pump is very
> different from those I saw on Ebay. I  believe because this model 350SDL
> comes with heated orthopedic driver's  seat. This pump has two vacuum ports
> on the back and the rectangular power connector has three male pins.
> Anyone has one laying around?
> Thank you..
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[Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes]

The problem I suspected is the vacuum pump in the trunk. This pump is very
different from those I saw on Ebay. I  believe because this model 350SDL
comes with heated orthopedic driver's  seat. This pump has two vacuum ports
on the back and the rectangular power connector has three male pins.
Anyone has one laying around?
Thank you..
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[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

The Lake Isle of Innisfree

I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,
And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;
Nine bean rows will I have there, a hive for the honey bee,
And live alone in the bee-loud glade.

And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow,
Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings;
There midnight's all a glimmer, and noon a purple glow,
And evening full of the linnet's wings.

I will arise and go now, for always night and day
I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore;
While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements grey,
I hear it in the deep heart's core.
Williams Butler Yeats.
-- 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ok fmiser make me an offer. I finally excavated my old spare parts box from
when I changed the head; the rebuilt head came with an sls pump so it has
been sitting. I have not tested it but it seems fine. I have seen them on
ebay for like 1300 rebuilt but am not really looking to make money on the
thing. I dont really need another rebuild project but if you need to know
it works I can buy a kit and tear it apart.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 4:32 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Karl wrote:
>
> > In unrelated news, I seem to have an extra w123 sls pump. I
> > guess there is a rebuild kit for it, so maybe I will shine it up
> > and put it on ebay. Unless someone here wants it.
>
> A OM617 SLS pump?   In fair shape?  I'm interested
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[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Karl wrote:

> In unrelated news, I seem to have an extra w123 sls pump. I
> guess there is a rebuild kit for it, so maybe I will shine it up
> and put it on ebay. Unless someone here wants it.

A OM617 SLS pump?   In fair shape?  I'm interested

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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Image result for photo of coolant overflow tank made from beer can


On 02/03/2020 2:30 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

What's the best place to get a coolant overflow reservoir for aa 85 td
w123? Does febi make them? I would take the sls reservoir and windshield
reservoir also. Mercedes wants a lot for them.

In unrelated news, I seem to have an extra w123 sls pump. I guess there is
a rebuild kit for it, so maybe I will shine it up and put it on ebay.
Unless someone here wants it.

Interestingly I thought the 603 ran the sls from the PS; wondering if I can
sub one of those pumps onto the 648 motor in the euro wagon at some point.
Custom bracket or something. I have no idea what the relevant pressures and
volumes would be, or if it is a single pump vs two pumps in one housing.
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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Eckler's performance4benz used to have them.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 3:31 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What's the best place to get a coolant overflow reservoir for aa 85 td
> w123? Does febi make them? I would take the sls reservoir and windshield
> reservoir also. Mercedes wants a lot for them.
>
> In unrelated news, I seem to have an extra w123 sls pump. I guess there is
> a rebuild kit for it, so maybe I will shine it up and put it on ebay.
> Unless someone here wants it.
>
> Interestingly I thought the 603 ran the sls from the PS; wondering if I can
> sub one of those pumps onto the 648 motor in the euro wagon at some point.
> Custom bracket or something. I have no idea what the relevant pressures and
> volumes would be, or if it is a single pump vs two pumps in one housing.
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Autohausaz sells them.
https://www.autohausaz.com/catalog/c/mercedes/1985/1194342-300tdt/16-cooling_system/10457-expansion_tankcoolant_reservoir?s=d=1




On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:37 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> And what happened to fixmyrust com? They had patch panels but some private
> equity outfit must have gobbled them up or something.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 12:31 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > What's the best place to get a coolant overflow reservoir for aa 85 td
> > w123? Does febi make them? I would take the sls reservoir and windshield
> > reservoir also. Mercedes wants a lot for them.
> >
> > In unrelated news, I seem to have an extra w123 sls pump. I guess there
> is
> > a rebuild kit for it, so maybe I will shine it up and put it on ebay.
> > Unless someone here wants it.
> >
> > Interestingly I thought the 603 ran the sls from the PS; wondering if I
> can
> > sub one of those pumps onto the 648 motor in the euro wagon at some
> point.
> > Custom bracket or something. I have no idea what the relevant pressures
> and
> > volumes would be, or if it is a single pump vs two pumps in one housing.
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

And what happened to fixmyrust com? They had patch panels but some private
equity outfit must have gobbled them up or something.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 12:31 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What's the best place to get a coolant overflow reservoir for aa 85 td
> w123? Does febi make them? I would take the sls reservoir and windshield
> reservoir also. Mercedes wants a lot for them.
>
> In unrelated news, I seem to have an extra w123 sls pump. I guess there is
> a rebuild kit for it, so maybe I will shine it up and put it on ebay.
> Unless someone here wants it.
>
> Interestingly I thought the 603 ran the sls from the PS; wondering if I can
> sub one of those pumps onto the 648 motor in the euro wagon at some point.
> Custom bracket or something. I have no idea what the relevant pressures and
> volumes would be, or if it is a single pump vs two pumps in one housing.
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

What's the best place to get a coolant overflow reservoir for aa 85 td
w123? Does febi make them? I would take the sls reservoir and windshield
reservoir also. Mercedes wants a lot for them.

In unrelated news, I seem to have an extra w123 sls pump. I guess there is
a rebuild kit for it, so maybe I will shine it up and put it on ebay.
Unless someone here wants it.

Interestingly I thought the 603 ran the sls from the PS; wondering if I can
sub one of those pumps onto the 648 motor in the euro wagon at some point.
Custom bracket or something. I have no idea what the relevant pressures and
volumes would be, or if it is a single pump vs two pumps in one housing.
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/23/19 7:06 PM:

why are people so keen to go into debt on depreciating assets?

Fear, and/or pride.  Various proportions.  The Mad Men should be proud...

Works in our favor, because it makes an older Mercedes very affordable,
often much cheaper than some wretched ricebox.

-- Jim


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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> why are people so keen to go into debt on depreciating assets?

Fear, and/or pride.  Various proportions.  The Mad Men should be proud...

Works in our favor, because it makes an older Mercedes very affordable,
often much cheaper than some wretched ricebox.

-- Jim


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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

SWMBA thinks along those lines.  New cars are “more reliable” so cost less to 
keep on the road.  

Steaming Pile

She has not taken the thing she drives to the shop for other than oil changes 
in the past six years and 50k miles.  Tossing $20k + paying it off all that 
time and no visit to keep it running right?  

She gets the jeep from her co-worker who claims it had all dealer service.  The 
thing comes with close to 140k miles and gets no service these past four years. 
 Now she wants to send it to the crusher, as it is falling apart from lack of 
service.  The solution she came up with was to spend $10k to get a teenaged car 
with 100k on the clock last autumn.  This spring she changes her tune to 
needing something with less than a decade of wear and maybe $18k.  Which has 
changed to five years old, under 50k miles and maybe $25k this past month.  
This week the car has to be same new, but under 30k miles and the price has 
jumped to around $30k.  Then add the $2500 to ship it up from teh lower 48.

All I wanted was to be allowed to drive my ’82 SD, bring up my tools and spend 
enough to fix the OM617.


clay

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote
> 
> Because, they are unable or unwilling to do any work on vehicles themselves, 
> and they fear the cost of having anything repaired in a shop. The feel, and 
> maybe rightly so, that they are better off with a new reliable car and 
> payments than they will be with an older car that needs upkeep on a regular 
> basis. If one cannot do the work and does not know enough to avoid being 
> robbed by repair shops, then one is truly at their mercy. A bad place to be.
> 
> Randy

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 $20k can buy a brand new car if you're willing to buy a base model.
I chalk it up to the "I deserve it" culture where every penny earned ought to 
go right back out because "I deserve it."
I mentioned to Angie the other day that I'd been thinking about buying a new 
snowmobile, the base model is right in the $8,000 range. She heard "I'm going 
to buy a new snowmobile" and wants to know why I haven't done it yet. She knows 
I can afford it but the reason I can afford it is that I've never done it...
-Curt

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 4:45:06 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 I have a friend, a young woman, I saw last night who moved here from up north. 
She has some sort of Subaru that has bad rust. It’s not that old but she said 
it is basically shot on the underneath and all the exposed bits.  Lot of stuff 
needs replacing. So she wants to get a “new” car but of course the cost is a 
big concern. 

I told her about this $600E320, really nice car now with some minimal work and 
expense. She says she and her husband can’t deal with that kind of stuff. So I 
say well buy 2 older cars that are fairly decent and you’ll have a spare 
around, will cost you less even with occasional repairs. She balked at that. So 
she’ll probably go spend $15-20k on something 3-4yo and will not like the 
monthly nut but will just deal with it. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 23/10/2019 3:10 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Coworker's car got totalled in a hit and run. It was an older tiguan. Paid
>> off, seven years old. So she is looking for transportation.
>> 
>> I told her she could have the 90k 1994 e420 for 5k, and that her husband
>> would be jealous because it is faster than his Audi. She was game, but his
>> response was 1994? NO WAY. Of course his payment on a used audi is over
>> 500/mo and the AC fan whines but is too expensive to fix.
>> 
>> She is all about no payment. He is the fiscal fool in the relationship
>> apparently. I dont know if a v8 w124 is the greatest kid hauler around, but
>> it will only appreciate and one could surely do much worse. Even the
>> headliner is new now, ignition switch, turn stalk, 2.82 diff, yada yada. I
>> think it needs a new toe link in back because it is eating that tire, but
>> my gosh
> 
> 
> 
>> - why are people so keen to go into debt on depreciating assets?
>> Death by a thousand cuts.
>> 
> 
> Because, they are unable or unwilling to do any work on vehicles themselves, 
> and they fear the cost of having anything repaired in a shop. The feel, and 
> maybe rightly so, that they are better off with a new reliable car and 
> payments than they will be with an older car that needs upkeep on a regular 
> basis. If one cannot do the work and does not know enough to avoid being 
> robbed by repair shops, then one is truly at their mercy. A bad place to be.
> 
> Randy
> 
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have a friend, a young woman, I saw last night who moved here from up north. 
She has some sort of Subaru that has bad rust. It’s not that old but she said 
it is basically shot on the underneath and all the exposed bits.  Lot of stuff 
needs replacing. So she wants to get a “new” car but of course the cost is a 
big concern. 

I told her about this $600E320, really nice car now with some minimal work and 
expense. She says she and her husband can’t deal with that kind of stuff. So I 
say well buy 2 older cars that are fairly decent and you’ll have a spare 
around, will cost you less even with occasional repairs. She balked at that. So 
she’ll probably go spend $15-20k on something 3-4yo and will not like the 
monthly nut but will just deal with it. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 23/10/2019 3:10 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Coworker's car got totalled in a hit and run. It was an older tiguan. Paid
>> off, seven years old. So she is looking for transportation.
>> 
>> I told her she could have the 90k 1994 e420 for 5k, and that her husband
>> would be jealous because it is faster than his Audi. She was game, but his
>> response was 1994? NO WAY. Of course his payment on a used audi is over
>> 500/mo and the AC fan whines but is too expensive to fix.
>> 
>> She is all about no payment. He is the fiscal fool in the relationship
>> apparently. I dont know if a v8 w124 is the greatest kid hauler around, but
>> it will only appreciate and one could surely do much worse. Even the
>> headliner is new now, ignition switch, turn stalk, 2.82 diff, yada yada. I
>> think it needs a new toe link in back because it is eating that tire, but
>> my gosh
> 
> 
> 
>> - why are people so keen to go into debt on depreciating assets?
>> Death by a thousand cuts.
>> 
> 
> Because, they are unable or unwilling to do any work on vehicles themselves, 
> and they fear the cost of having anything repaired in a shop. The feel, and 
> maybe rightly so, that they are better off with a new reliable car and 
> payments than they will be with an older car that needs upkeep on a regular 
> basis. If one cannot do the work and does not know enough to avoid being 
> robbed by repair shops, then one is truly at their mercy. A bad place to be.
> 
> Randy
> 
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Randy nailed it, most people are very reluctant to own an older car as a daily 
driver. No sense of adventure!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 23/10/2019 3:10 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Coworker's car got totalled in a hit and run. It was an older tiguan. Paid
off, seven years old. So she is looking for transportation.

I told her she could have the 90k 1994 e420 for 5k, and that her husband
would be jealous because it is faster than his Audi. She was game, but his
response was 1994? NO WAY. Of course his payment on a used audi is over
500/mo and the AC fan whines but is too expensive to fix.

She is all about no payment. He is the fiscal fool in the relationship
apparently. I dont know if a v8 w124 is the greatest kid hauler around, but
it will only appreciate and one could surely do much worse. Even the
headliner is new now, ignition switch, turn stalk, 2.82 diff, yada yada. I
think it needs a new toe link in back because it is eating that tire, but
my gosh





- why are people so keen to go into debt on depreciating assets?
Death by a thousand cuts.



Because, they are unable or unwilling to do any work on vehicles 
themselves, and they fear the cost of having anything repaired in a 
shop. The feel, and maybe rightly so, that they are better off with a 
new reliable car and payments than they will be with an older car that 
needs upkeep on a regular basis. If one cannot do the work and does not 
know enough to avoid being robbed by repair shops, then one is truly at 
their mercy. A bad place to be.


Randy


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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Coworker's car got totalled in a hit and run. It was an older tiguan. Paid
off, seven years old. So she is looking for transportation.

I told her she could have the 90k 1994 e420 for 5k, and that her husband
would be jealous because it is faster than his Audi. She was game, but his
response was 1994? NO WAY. Of course his payment on a used audi is over
500/mo and the AC fan whines but is too expensive to fix.

She is all about no payment. He is the fiscal fool in the relationship
apparently. I dont know if a v8 w124 is the greatest kid hauler around, but
it will only appreciate and one could surely do much worse. Even the
headliner is new now, ignition switch, turn stalk, 2.82 diff, yada yada. I
think it needs a new toe link in back because it is eating that tire, but
my gosh - why are people so keen to go into debt on depreciating assets?
Death by a thousand cuts.



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:55 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> I drive right past BH mercedes twice a day so it is a natural option and
> making two trips is easy.
>
> Of course aftermarket is often best, so it doesnt help for that stuff.
>
> Tom Hanson gives a nice wholesale discount and ships of course and is very
> responsive.
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:07 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't tried that, but in the past when I've gone in to our local
>> dealer, which is a long drive on the other side of town, their deal was
>> pay
>> in advance and then make another trip later when the parts arrive to pick
>> them up.
>>
>> No thanks is my reply to that deal, my time is more valuable, I'd rather
>> order on line and have them delivered to my home, and the price is usually
>> better.
>>
>> If they were closer or on my usual commute route, I might go down that
>> path
>> and develop a nice relationship (Dan told me all his secrets, among them
>> are pizza and donut deliveries) but given the geography as it stands, not
>> worth it to me.
>>
>> Dealer recently opened a branch location just a few miles away, very
>> convenient, I need to stop by and see if they have a parts desk.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:38 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Just print out the part list with all the prices from whatever website
>> you
>> > like, walk into the dealer and tell them you want these parts and will
>> they
>> > match the price. They arent going to say no.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:25 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > Or just get your local dealer to match the discount and dont pay any
>> > > shipping at all.
>> > >
>> > > Good luck with that.
>> > > That is difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.
>> > > I was able to talk them into 10% after my first thousand dollars in
>> > parts,
>> > > and 20% after twenty five hundred in parts. I just order online.
>> > >
>> > >
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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Great to hear you are finding your sea legs again

clay monroe

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> On Jan 16, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I feel pretty much human today, have to keep reminding myself not to overdo 
> things. I'll probably wait for tomorrow for that ;)
> Buster and I took a walk around the block today, farthest I've been from the 
> house since I got back on Sunday. Felt fine, not even particularly tired.
> I've got an appointment with the cardiologist on Monday, will know more then.
> -Curt



clay monroe

> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
> looking for didn't fall out.




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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Same thing happened to me in a W108.  Turns out there was a short in the
electric Hirschmann OEM antenna motor.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 12:22 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Can you tell us each test you performed and the voltage of each test
> condition?
>
> If you will do that, it will help to get to the root of your problem.
>
> You have been treating symptoms and guesses, but not the problem.
>
>
>
> Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 5:01 PM:
> > The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
> > tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new
> yet
> > it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
> > Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they
> diagnosed
> > ignition swotch ad the issue.
> > Thanks every one.
> >
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Can you tell us each test you performed and the voltage of each test 
condition?


If you will do that, it will help to get to the root of your problem.

You have been treating symptoms and guesses, but not the problem.



Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 5:01 PM:

The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new yet
it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they diagnosed
ignition swotch ad the issue.
Thanks every one.




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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Correct. 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On January 16, 2019 8:30:13 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>OK, but the GP harness still plugs in the top, right?  He can unplug
>the 
>GP harness.
>
>
>Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 6:23 PM:
>> Curt - later glow plug relay have a breaker, not a strip fuse.
>
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I feel pretty much human today, have to keep reminding myself not to overdo 
things. I'll probably wait for tomorrow for that ;)
Buster and I took a walk around the block today, farthest I've been from the 
house since I got back on Sunday. Felt fine, not even particularly tired.
I've got an appointment with the cardiologist on Monday, will know more then.
-Curt

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 8:35:03 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt,  you are right on!

Hope you are feeling good/better!

Curt Raymond wrote on 1/16/19 7:22 PM:
> This is actually a good way to learn some electrics. Get a decent 
> multimeter, the cheap (like $5) one at Harbor Freight is garbage, the 
> expensive one (like $30) is surprisingly good.
> Set it to DC, 20v range. Pull the negative battery cable and with a 
> fully charged battery measure your voltage. Should be 12+v resting, 
> something like 12.6 or so. Connect the battery cable and measure again 
> (key is OFF) and the voltage shouldn't change appreciably.
> Assuming the voltage drops then its probably time to figure out the 
> ignition switch.
>
> If it doesn't drop turn the key on and see what happens, it should 
> drop for a bit as the glowplugs cycle but then come back up and 
> stabilize. If it stays at the low number then unplug the glow plug 
> relay. If voltage pops back up thats a stuck relay. If it doesn't more 
> troubleshooting is required but you'll have a pretty good idea what 
> ISN'T the problem.
> Troubleshooting is just the process of removing the things that aren't 
> the problem until you find the thing that is. Its time consuming and 
> can be frustrating but way less frustrating than shotgunning parts 
> into the car to find that the problem remains...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 8:14:30 PM EST, Curley McLain via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> They've already proven themselves incompetent.  Did they hand you a
> check for $700 when you brought the car back?   I assume not, so you are
> still paying to edjukate them.   THAT needs to END!
>
> Go rescue your car,  and as was said, pull the GP harness at the relay
> or remove the big flat fuse in the GP relay.  If that does not fix it,
> then do has Max says, and crimp the spade connectors in the alternator
> plug.  To me it sounds like a GP relay stuck on.   Pulling the harness
> or the strip fuse will end the discharge.
>
>
>
> Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 1:25 PM:
> > The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and 
> idling.
> > Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up. When
> > key is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because the
> > battery has no juice.
> >
> > Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special
> > ordered.. $700 had
> > me stumped..
> >
> > Thanks to all who responded..
>
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Curt,  you are right on!

Hope you are feeling good/better!

Curt Raymond wrote on 1/16/19 7:22 PM:
This is actually a good way to learn some electrics. Get a decent 
multimeter, the cheap (like $5) one at Harbor Freight is garbage, the 
expensive one (like $30) is surprisingly good.
Set it to DC, 20v range. Pull the negative battery cable and with a 
fully charged battery measure your voltage. Should be 12+v resting, 
something like 12.6 or so. Connect the battery cable and measure again 
(key is OFF) and the voltage shouldn't change appreciably.
Assuming the voltage drops then its probably time to figure out the 
ignition switch.


If it doesn't drop turn the key on and see what happens, it should 
drop for a bit as the glowplugs cycle but then come back up and 
stabilize. If it stays at the low number then unplug the glow plug 
relay. If voltage pops back up thats a stuck relay. If it doesn't more 
troubleshooting is required but you'll have a pretty good idea what 
ISN'T the problem.
Troubleshooting is just the process of removing the things that aren't 
the problem until you find the thing that is. Its time consuming and 
can be frustrating but way less frustrating than shotgunning parts 
into the car to find that the problem remains...


-Curt

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 8:14:30 PM EST, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes  wrote:



They've already proven themselves incompetent.  Did they hand you a
check for $700 when you brought the car back?   I assume not, so you are
still paying to edjukate them.   THAT needs to END!

Go rescue your car,  and as was said, pull the GP harness at the relay
or remove the big flat fuse in the GP relay.  If that does not fix it,
then do has Max says, and crimp the spade connectors in the alternator
plug.  To me it sounds like a GP relay stuck on.   Pulling the harness
or the strip fuse will end the discharge.



Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 1:25 PM:
> The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and 
idling.

> Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up. When
> key is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because the
> battery has no juice.
>
> Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special
> ordered.. $700 had
> me stumped..
>
> Thanks to all who responded..


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

OK, but the GP harness still plugs in the top, right?  He can unplug the 
GP harness.



Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 6:23 PM:

Curt - later glow plug relay have a breaker, not a strip fuse.



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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 This is actually a good way to learn some electrics. Get a decent multimeter, 
the cheap (like $5) one at Harbor Freight is garbage, the expensive one (like 
$30) is surprisingly good.Set it to DC, 20v range. Pull the negative battery 
cable and with a fully charged battery measure your voltage. Should be 12+v 
resting, something like 12.6 or so. Connect the battery cable and measure again 
(key is OFF) and the voltage shouldn't change appreciably.Assuming the voltage 
drops then its probably time to figure out the ignition switch. 

If it doesn't drop turn the key on and see what happens, it should drop for a 
bit as the glowplugs cycle but then come back up and stabilize. If it stays at 
the low number then unplug the glow plug relay. If voltage pops back up thats a 
stuck relay. If it doesn't more troubleshooting is required but you'll have a 
pretty good idea what ISN'T the problem.Troubleshooting is just the process of 
removing the things that aren't the problem until you find the thing that is. 
Its time consuming and can be frustrating but way less frustrating than 
shotgunning parts into the car to find that the problem remains...
-Curt

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 8:14:30 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 They've already proven themselves incompetent.  Did they hand you a 
check for $700 when you brought the car back?   I assume not, so you are 
still paying to edjukate them.   THAT needs to END!

Go rescue your car,  and as was said, pull the GP harness at the relay 
or remove the big flat fuse in the GP relay.  If that does not fix it, 
then do has Max says, and crimp the spade connectors in the alternator 
plug.  To me it sounds like a GP relay stuck on.   Pulling the harness 
or the strip fuse will end the discharge.



Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 1:25 PM:
> The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and idling.
> Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up. When
> key is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because the
> battery has no juice.
>
> Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special
> ordered.. $700 had
> me stumped..
>
> Thanks to all who responded..


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They've already proven themselves incompetent.  Did they hand you a 
check for $700 when you brought the car back?   I assume not, so you are 
still paying to edjukate them.   THAT needs to END!


Go rescue your car,  and as was said, pull the GP harness at the relay 
or remove the big flat fuse in the GP relay.  If that does not fix it, 
then do has Max says, and crimp the spade connectors in the alternator 
plug.  To me it sounds like a GP relay stuck on.   Pulling the harness 
or the strip fuse will end the discharge.




Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 1:25 PM:

The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and idling.
Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up. When
key is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because the
battery has no juice.

Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special
ordered.. $700 had
me stumped..

Thanks to all who responded..



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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Ahh. Makes sense, I have had no experience with post '85 MBs.

-Curt

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 7:24:31 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt - later glow plug relay have a breaker, not a strip fuse. 
-- 
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Charleston SC

On January 16, 2019 6:12:45 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I'm sorry Patrick but what was it you were here for? I went back and
>read your original post and it seemed like you were asking for help.
>Now it seems like you don't want any help.
>What does "I have done all battery tests" mean? If you mean "don't tell
>me to go over what I've already done." then maybe you'd like to tell us
>what you've already done so we don't tell you to go over it.
>
>'91 SDL is still a 126 right? The IS a fuse for the glowplugs,
>otherwise a wiring short sets the car on fire. The fuse will be in-line
>with the relay.
>I know I'm going to come off as curmudgeonly here but I really hate it
>when people ask for help and then discount the help offered out of
>hand. Makes me put them on the "Don't bother to offer help to that guy,
>he doesn't listen" list.
>
>-Curt
>
>On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 6:02:07 PM EST, Patrick Atuonah via
>Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
>The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
>tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new
>yet
>it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
>Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they
>diagnosed
>ignition swotch ad the issue.
>Thanks every one.
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Curt - later glow plug relay have a breaker, not a strip fuse. 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On January 16, 2019 6:12:45 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I'm sorry Patrick but what was it you were here for? I went back and
>read your original post and it seemed like you were asking for help.
>Now it seems like you don't want any help.
>What does "I have done all battery tests" mean? If you mean "don't tell
>me to go over what I've already done." then maybe you'd like to tell us
>what you've already done so we don't tell you to go over it.
>
>'91 SDL is still a 126 right? The IS a fuse for the glowplugs,
>otherwise a wiring short sets the car on fire. The fuse will be in-line
>with the relay.
>I know I'm going to come off as curmudgeonly here but I really hate it
>when people ask for help and then discount the help offered out of
>hand. Makes me put them on the "Don't bother to offer help to that guy,
>he doesn't listen" list.
>
>-Curt
>
>On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 6:02:07 PM EST, Patrick Atuonah via
>Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
>The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
>tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new
>yet
>it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
>Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they
>diagnosed
>ignition swotch ad the issue.
>Thanks every one.
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I say the mechanic that did the first (bad) diagnosis either has a boat payment 
to make or a kid going through college. Dump him.

-D


> On Jan 16, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is that the same place that diagnosed the alternator?
> Like Jim said, a bad switch that stays in the accessory position could kill 
> your battery overnight, but won't prevent the battery from charging normally 
> with the engine running. 
> 13-14V with the engine running and less than 12.6 with the ignition off means 
> a parasitic loss like leaving accessories on with the key out. 
> Less than 13V (should be about 13.4V with a factory voltage regulator) with 
> the engine running means the battery is dead flat or the alternator can't 
> keep up with the load. 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On January 16, 2019 at 6:01 PM Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
>> tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new yet
>> it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
>> Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they diagnosed
>> ignition swotch ad the issue.
>> Thanks every one.
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Is that the same place that diagnosed the alternator?
Like Jim said, a bad switch that stays in the accessory position could kill 
your battery overnight, but won't prevent the battery from charging normally 
with the engine running. 
13-14V with the engine running and less than 12.6 with the ignition off means a 
parasitic loss like leaving accessories on with the key out. 
Less than 13V (should be about 13.4V with a factory voltage regulator) with the 
engine running means the battery is dead flat or the alternator can't keep up 
with the load. 
Mitch. 

> On January 16, 2019 at 6:01 PM Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
> tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new yet
> it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
> Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they diagnosed
> ignition swotch ad the issue.
> Thanks every one.

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'm sorry Patrick but what was it you were here for? I went back and read your 
original post and it seemed like you were asking for help. Now it seems like 
you don't want any help.
What does "I have done all battery tests" mean? If you mean "don't tell me to 
go over what I've already done." then maybe you'd like to tell us what you've 
already done so we don't tell you to go over it.

'91 SDL is still a 126 right? The IS a fuse for the glowplugs, otherwise a 
wiring short sets the car on fire. The fuse will be in-line with the relay.
I know I'm going to come off as curmudgeonly here but I really hate it when 
people ask for help and then discount the help offered out of hand. Makes me 
put them on the "Don't bother to offer help to that guy, he doesn't listen" 
list.

-Curt

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 6:02:07 PM EST, Patrick Atuonah via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new yet
it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they diagnosed
ignition swotch ad the issue.
Thanks every one.
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Glow plug relay: unplug the connectors once the car is started, see if that 
changes the idiot light behavior. 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On January 16, 2019 6:01:07 PM EST, Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
>tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new
>yet
>it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
>Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they
>diagnosed
>ignition swotch ad the issue.
>Thanks every one.
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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My guess is that the ignition switch is leaving on accessories, causing 
constant battery drain.

If you're going to have old(er) cars, you need a minimal level of tools.  For 
the electrical
system, you need a battery charger and a good multimeter.  Bonus points if you 
also
have a clamp-on DC ammeter, but it's not strictly necessary.  (Just makes it a 
lot easier.)
An old-fashioned test light (12V bulb in an awl handle, with a clip) is also 
cheap, and useful.

-- Jim


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[Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes]

The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new yet
it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they diagnosed
ignition swotch ad the issue.
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Another thought.  On my tractor site there are a surprising number of battery 
cable failures where the conductor corroded inside the insulation (so still 
looks fine).  Often the process of moving the cable to change/charge the 
battery would restore function, briefly (like for one start).

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> Atuonah via Mercedes
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> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: obioz...@gmail.com
> Subject: [MBZ] (no subject)
> 
> The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and idling.
> Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up. When key
> is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because the battery
> has no juice.
> 
> Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special ordered.. $700
> had me stumped..
> 
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Diagnosing this kind of problem takes a little understanding of simple DC 
circuits, a meter, and patience.  It sounds like your dealer is missing at 
least one of those.  IMO, you have been ripped off.

If you want to do this DIY and stop writing checks I'm sure several here will 
advise.  I would start by measuring the battery voltage AT THE POSTS with the 
car off.  Maybe you just have a bad battery. Battery testing at FLAPS is free 
and easy.  With a known good battery, what happens to the voltage at the posts 
when you connect the cables?  There should be almost no voltage drop when you 
connect the cables but there will be some current draw if your car has 
computers that boot up when power is applied.  What happens to the battery 
voltage (at the posts) when the glow plugs fire up and when you try to crank?  
If there is a small parasitic load draining the battery overnight you can 
locate it using an ammeter and pulling fuses until you find the offending 
circuit.

By the way, it's a bitch to replace the whole key switch/interlock assembly but 
the electrical part is a separate piece that's not hard to remove/replace, at 
least if it's like 123s and 126s.

Good luck.

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> Atuonah via Mercedes
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> Subject: [MBZ] (no subject)
> 
> The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and idling.
> Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up. When key
> is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because the battery
> has no juice.
> 
> Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special ordered.. $700
> had me stumped..
> 
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Your car still has this problem?  That sounds like bad connector at the 
alternator end of the alternator harness.  See my earlier post.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On January 16, 2019 2:25:55 PM EST, Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and
>idling.
>Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up.
>When
>key is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because
>the
>battery has no juice.
>
>Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special
>ordered.. $700 had
>me stumped..
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[Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes]

The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and idling.
Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up. When
key is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because the
battery has no juice.

Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special
ordered.. $700 had
me stumped..

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If it drives (moves) it might be worth a look.

On Oct 5, 2018 12:30 PM, "Frederick Moir via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/6688969533.html
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[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/6688969533.html

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 23:45:56 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...

I asked about this on another email list and got a response from Dr. Tim
Ball of Canada. The article he references is a good introduction to the
many factors affecting sea level.

-

Here is an article I published recently on sea level rise. If you look at
the last part you will see the major influence on sea level in Canada. 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/21/sea-level-rise-a-major-non-existent-threat-exploited-by-alarmists-and-politicians/

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[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:28 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I believe that before "climate change" became popular, a study had
> determined that Miami was sinking due to Man's actions that reduced the
> amount of fresh water in the everglades.  Basically less fresh water in the
> everglades was drying out the structure under Miami, and so it was
> shrinking and subsiding.
>

Given the cesspit that Miami has become,  I heartily endorse Ernst Stavro
Blofeld's idea of setting off an A-bomb just offshore (*Thunderball,*
 1961).

-MMM-
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I lived on the water in Seabrook TX (south of Houston, near NASA) from 
1969-1973.  The land there sank 2-3 ft. (WRT sea level) during that time, which 
was attributed to pumping too much fresh water out of the aquifer.  

> -Original Message-
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> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 3:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
> 
> I believe that before "climate change" became popular, a study had
> determined that Miami was sinking due to Man's actions that reduced the
> amount of fresh water in the everglades.  Basically less fresh water in the
> everglades was drying out the structure under Miami, and so it was shrinking
> and subsiding.
> 
> Determining the root cause of sea level change in any location requires a
> careful study of all the factors.  When we visit the Charleston aquarium, I 
> make
> a point of showing my daughter the map that shows South Carolina's coastline
> in present day and in past ages, I think they show a coastline from 10,000 
> years
> ago and several million years ago.  They show the coastline has been further
> out on the continental shelf where we now have ocean, and also much further
> inland, like 100 miles inland. THAT is climate change, and it has occurred and
> will continue to occur no matter what Man does or does not do.
> 
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I believe that before "climate change" became popular, a study had
determined that Miami was sinking due to Man's actions that reduced the
amount of fresh water in the everglades.  Basically less fresh water in the
everglades was drying out the structure under Miami, and so it was
shrinking and subsiding.

Determining the root cause of sea level change in any location requires a
careful study of all the factors.  When we visit the Charleston aquarium, I
make a point of showing my daughter the map that shows South Carolina's
coastline in present day and in past ages, I think they show a coastline
from 10,000 years ago and several million years ago.  They show the
coastline has been further out on the continental shelf where we now have
ocean, and also much further inland, like 100 miles inland. THAT is climate
change, and it has occurred and will continue to occur no matter what Man
does or does not do.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Some places just deserve to sink below the water table.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> This land subsidence thing must be why Miami beach is having so much
>> saltwater flooding up through the storm sewers also. They are building
>> many
>> roads up above the sidewalks several feet.
>>
>>
>>
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Some places just deserve to sink below the water table.

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

This land subsidence thing must be why Miami beach is having so much
saltwater flooding up through the storm sewers also. They are building many
roads up above the sidewalks several feet.





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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sorry, but blogspots are not news in my world. Call me old school if you
will.

On Aug 13, 2018 5:31 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> No Charge glad to help you arrive to an informed understanding...
>
> Re. Maxine Waters Numerous recordings within the past 4 months of her
> incitement to public intolerance. Suggest you could be better served with a
> simple search on line.
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:26 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Happy to do that. Here is Mr. Johnson on tape, in Congress.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > > On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried
> >> Guam
> >> > > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence
> >> > there.
> >> >
> >> > Hank Johnson said that.
> >> >
> >> > Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the
> target
> >> > of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next
> >> > Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien.
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

No Charge glad to help you arrive to an informed understanding...

Re. Maxine Waters Numerous recordings within the past 4 months of her
incitement to public intolerance. Suggest you could be better served with a
simple search on line.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:26 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Happy to do that. Here is Mr. Johnson on tape, in Congress.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > > On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried
>> Guam
>> > > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence
>> > there.
>> >
>> > Hank Johnson said that.
>> >
>> > Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the target
>> > of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next
>> > Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien.
>> >
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Andrew,

Happy to do that. Here is Mr. Johnson on tape, in Congress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations.
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried Guam
> > > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence
> > there.
> >
> > Hank Johnson said that.
> >
> > Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the target
> > of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next
> > Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien.
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Please provide your citations for these outrageous allegations.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried Guam
> > was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence
> there.
>
> Hank Johnson said that.
>
> Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the target
> of a lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next
> Supreme Court Justice should be an illegal alien.
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried Guam 
> was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence there.

Hank Johnson said that. 

Waters has said some divisive and mean things, and she's been the target of a 
lot of false memes claiming she said stupid things, like the next Supreme Court 
Justice should be an illegal alien.

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[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

That must be what Maxine Waters was talking about when she worried Guam 
was in danger of sinking if we kept increasing our military presence there.


;-^

LarryT


On 08/09/2018 5:28 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Craig wrote:

No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.

Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
to the cause.
tin

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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Must have been some dude with a giant bucket who brought all the glacial till 
and filled the place with it.


clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Aug 10, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't believe the Seattle area was directly subject to the Pleistocene
> glaciation.  The ice sheet advance stopped further to the north.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This land subsidence thing must be why Miami beach is having so much
>> saltwater flooding up through the storm sewers also. They are building many
>> roads up above the sidewalks several feet.
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 10:12 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The PNW continues to creep closer to the sky with each passing year.
>>> Many decades ago, a college professor (meteorology) spoke of how spongy
>>> the ground was around here and over the past 10k years, once the miles of
>>> ice melted away, the land has been springing back impressively.That
>>> stuff that was very underwater when all the water was locked up in ice as
>>> thick as the stuff Wilton speaks of in Greenland, is now over 200 feet
>>> above sea level.
>>> 
>>> So, all that ice melted, the water levels rose, and the sea beds are now
>>> high and dry.
>>> 
>>> Global Climate change
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>>> 
>>> retired models-
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes<
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:28:22 -0500
>>> Mountain Man via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
> Craig wrote:
>> No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.
> 
> Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
> to the cause.
 
 More than likely a small assistant.
 
 When the northern U.S. was under miles of ice, the ground under the
>> ice,
 under a pressure of roughly 2289 psi per mile of ice (neglecting any
 compression of the ice), was pressed down and the southern half of the
 U.S. was forced up.
 
 Now that the ice is gone, the ground in the respective areas are moving
 to their original altitudes, the north moving up and the south moving
 down.
 
 
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>> On Aug 9, 2018 10:12 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" >> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The PNW continues to creep closer to the sky with each passing year.   Many
>> decades ago, a college professor (meteorology) spoke of how spongy the
>> ground was around here and over the past 10k years, once the miles of ice
>> melted away, the land has been springing back impressively.That stuff
>> that was very underwater when all the water was locked up in ice as thick
>> as the stuff Wilton speaks of in Greenland, is now over 200 feet above sea
>> level.
>> 
>> So, all that ice melted, the water levels rose, and the sea beds are now
>> high and dry.
>> 
>> Global Climate change
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I don't believe the Seattle area was directly subject to the Pleistocene
glaciation.  The ice sheet advance stopped further to the north.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This land subsidence thing must be why Miami beach is having so much
> saltwater flooding up through the storm sewers also. They are building many
> roads up above the sidewalks several feet.
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 10:12 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The PNW continues to creep closer to the sky with each passing year.
> >  Many decades ago, a college professor (meteorology) spoke of how spongy
> > the ground was around here and over the past 10k years, once the miles of
> > ice melted away, the land has been springing back impressively.That
> > stuff that was very underwater when all the water was locked up in ice as
> > thick as the stuff Wilton speaks of in Greenland, is now over 200 feet
> > above sea level.
> >
> > So, all that ice melted, the water levels rose, and the sea beds are now
> > high and dry.
> >
> > Global Climate change
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >  On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:28:22 -0500
> > Mountain Man via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Craig wrote:
> > >>> No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.
> > >>
> > >> Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
> > >> to the cause.
> > >
> > > More than likely a small assistant.
> > >
> > > When the northern U.S. was under miles of ice, the ground under the
> ice,
> > > under a pressure of roughly 2289 psi per mile of ice (neglecting any
> > > compression of the ice), was pressed down and the southern half of the
> > > U.S. was forced up.
> > >
> > > Now that the ice is gone, the ground in the respective areas are moving
> > > to their original altitudes, the north moving up and the south moving
> > > down.
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
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> On Aug 9, 2018 10:12 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes"  >
> wrote:
>
> The PNW continues to creep closer to the sky with each passing year.   Many
> decades ago, a college professor (meteorology) spoke of how spongy the
> ground was around here and over the past 10k years, once the miles of ice
> melted away, the land has been springing back impressively.That stuff
> that was very underwater when all the water was locked up in ice as thick
> as the stuff Wilton speaks of in Greenland, is now over 200 feet above sea
> level.
>
> So, all that ice melted, the water levels rose, and the sea beds are now
> high and dry.
>
> Global Climate change
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:   On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:28:22 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Craig wrote:
> >>> No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.
> >>
> >> Earth sinking - sounds plausible, 

Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

This land subsidence thing must be why Miami beach is having so much
saltwater flooding up through the storm sewers also. They are building many
roads up above the sidewalks several feet.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 10:12 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The PNW continues to creep closer to the sky with each passing year.
>  Many decades ago, a college professor (meteorology) spoke of how spongy
> the ground was around here and over the past 10k years, once the miles of
> ice melted away, the land has been springing back impressively.That
> stuff that was very underwater when all the water was locked up in ice as
> thick as the stuff Wilton speaks of in Greenland, is now over 200 feet
> above sea level.
>
> So, all that ice melted, the water levels rose, and the sea beds are now
> high and dry.
>
> Global Climate change
>
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:28:22 -0500
> Mountain Man via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Craig wrote:
> >>> No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.
> >>
> >> Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
> >> to the cause.
> >
> > More than likely a small assistant.
> >
> > When the northern U.S. was under miles of ice, the ground under the ice,
> > under a pressure of roughly 2289 psi per mile of ice (neglecting any
> > compression of the ice), was pressed down and the southern half of the
> > U.S. was forced up.
> >
> > Now that the ice is gone, the ground in the respective areas are moving
> > to their original altitudes, the north moving up and the south moving
> > down.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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On Aug 9, 2018 10:12 PM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

The PNW continues to creep closer to the sky with each passing year.   Many
decades ago, a college professor (meteorology) spoke of how spongy the
ground was around here and over the past 10k years, once the miles of ice
melted away, the land has been springing back impressively.That stuff
that was very underwater when all the water was locked up in ice as thick
as the stuff Wilton speaks of in Greenland, is now over 200 feet above sea
level.

So, all that ice melted, the water levels rose, and the sea beds are now
high and dry.

Global Climate change


clay

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>  On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes
wrote:   On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:28:22 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>> Craig wrote:
>>> No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.
>>
>> Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
>> to the cause.
>
> More than likely a small assistant.
>
> When the northern U.S. was under miles of ice, the ground under the ice,
> under a pressure of roughly 2289 psi per mile of ice (neglecting any
> compression of the ice), was pressed down and the southern half of the
> U.S. was forced up.
>
> Now that the ice is gone, the ground in the respective areas are moving
> to their original altitudes, the north moving up and the south moving
> down.
>
>
> Craig
>
> ___
> 

Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The PNW continues to creep closer to the sky with each passing year.   Many 
decades ago, a college professor (meteorology) spoke of how spongy the ground 
was around here and over the past 10k years, once the miles of ice melted away, 
the land has been springing back impressively.That stuff that was very 
underwater when all the water was locked up in ice as thick as the stuff Wilton 
speaks of in Greenland, is now over 200 feet above sea level.

So, all that ice melted, the water levels rose, and the sea beds are now high 
and dry.  

Global Climate change


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:   On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:28:22 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Craig wrote:
>>> No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.
>> 
>> Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
>> to the cause.
> 
> More than likely a small assistant.
> 
> When the northern U.S. was under miles of ice, the ground under the ice,
> under a pressure of roughly 2289 psi per mile of ice (neglecting any
> compression of the ice), was pressed down and the southern half of the
> U.S. was forced up.
> 
> Now that the ice is gone, the ground in the respective areas are moving
> to their original altitudes, the north moving up and the south moving
> down.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sea level is noted as rising in Canada...

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:   On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:28:22 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> > No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.
> 
> Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
> to the cause.

More than likely a small assistant.

When the northern U.S. was under miles of ice, the ground under the ice,
under a pressure of roughly 2289 psi per mile of ice (neglecting any
compression of the ice), was pressed down and the southern half of the
U.S. was forced up.

Now that the ice is gone, the ground in the respective areas are moving
to their original altitudes, the north moving up and the south moving
down.


Craig

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On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:28:22 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> > No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.
> 
> Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
> to the cause.

More than likely a small assistant.

When the northern U.S. was under miles of ice, the ground under the ice,
under a pressure of roughly 2289 psi per mile of ice (neglecting any
compression of the ice), was pressed down and the southern half of the
U.S. was forced up.

Now that the ice is gone, the ground in the respective areas are moving
to their original altitudes, the north moving up and the south moving
down.


Craig

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[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Craig wrote:
> No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.

Earth sinking - sounds plausible, fracking, oil pumping as assistant
to the cause.
tin

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On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 22:20:03 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Ok thanks. May give them a shot. Or just try myself.
> 
> Am reading a book about coastal geomorphology. Louisiana has lost 1900
> square miles of area to the ocean already and is headed toward another
> 2500 by 2060 at the current rate. I didnt know it was that pronounced.
> Part sea level rise and part damming of the mississippi.

No, it's not sea level rise. It's the earth sinking.


Craig

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[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Karl,

 The Miss. is trying to go back to Texas like it swaps every 10-20,000 
years.  The Corp. is trying to keep it where it is because of shipping.  
Erosion builds the coast and the Gulf takes it away during hurricanes.  You 
can't fight Mother Nature, but we arrogant humans keep thinking we can.  
Louisiana should give the Miss. back to Texas, then they could go back to 
smuggling like the old days and make some real coin :-)))  Just some extra info.

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ok thanks. May give them a shot. Or just try myself.

Am reading a book about coastal geomorphology. Louisiana has lost 1900
square miles of area to the ocean already and is headed toward another 2500
by 2060 at the current rate. I didnt know it was that pronounced. Part sea
level rise and part damming of the mississippi.

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> You can try Zimmer Gears in Baton Rouge, La.
> No web site but they have a Fakebook Page
> https://www.facebook.com/zimmergears
> Don't know if they do any work on MB stuff but they do do custom diff.
> for racing and
> industrial eqpt.
>
> Russ W.
>
> On Tue,8/7/18 18:47, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Anyone know of a shop that rebuilds rear ends? I'm putting a wavetrac lsd
> > into a 91 500sl diff. Apparently pretty straightforward except some of
> the
> > shims are nla so need to grind down to suit. Pinion does not need to come
> > out.
> >
> > Anyone rebuild one of these things? It is non asr non lsd now. Going into
> > the 124.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 4:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> You are assuming that the State's thresholds for passing the emissions
> >> tests and roadside machines are the same as the federal emissions
> >> standards. It's not a given that they are. Granted, the Fed requirement
> is
> >> un realistically stringent, but it's the rule, and VW (and others)
> cheated
> >> to meet it. Thus the hullabaloo.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I like the logic, either the emissions tests and the roadside detection
> >>> machines are worthless, or the "cheating" is manufactured to achieve a
> >> goal.
> >>> "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."  - Lavrentiy Beria,
> head
> >>> of Joseph Stalin’s secret police.
> >>> --
> >>> Max Dillon
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>> '87 300TD
> >>> '95 E300
> >>>
> >>> On July 29, 2018 8:50:47 PM GMT+02:00, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018/07/06/sniffing-a-scandal/
> 
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You can try Zimmer Gears in Baton Rouge, La.
No web site but they have a Fakebook Page 
https://www.facebook.com/zimmergears
Don't know if they do any work on MB stuff but they do do custom diff. 
for racing and

industrial eqpt.

Russ W.

On Tue,8/7/18 18:47, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Anyone know of a shop that rebuilds rear ends? I'm putting a wavetrac lsd
into a 91 500sl diff. Apparently pretty straightforward except some of the
shims are nla so need to grind down to suit. Pinion does not need to come
out.

Anyone rebuild one of these things? It is non asr non lsd now. Going into
the 124.

Thanks

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 4:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:


You are assuming that the State's thresholds for passing the emissions
tests and roadside machines are the same as the federal emissions
standards. It's not a given that they are. Granted, the Fed requirement is
un realistically stringent, but it's the rule, and VW (and others) cheated
to meet it. Thus the hullabaloo.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I like the logic, either the emissions tests and the roadside detection
machines are worthless, or the "cheating" is manufactured to achieve a

goal.

"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."  - Lavrentiy Beria, head
of Joseph Stalin’s secret police.
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https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018/07/06/sniffing-a-scandal/

Rick
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anyone know of a shop that rebuilds rear ends? I'm putting a wavetrac lsd
into a 91 500sl diff. Apparently pretty straightforward except some of the
shims are nla so need to grind down to suit. Pinion does not need to come
out.

Anyone rebuild one of these things? It is non asr non lsd now. Going into
the 124.

Thanks

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 4:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> You are assuming that the State's thresholds for passing the emissions
> tests and roadside machines are the same as the federal emissions
> standards. It's not a given that they are. Granted, the Fed requirement is
> un realistically stringent, but it's the rule, and VW (and others) cheated
> to meet it. Thus the hullabaloo.
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I like the logic, either the emissions tests and the roadside detection
> > machines are worthless, or the "cheating" is manufactured to achieve a
> goal.
> >
> > "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."  - Lavrentiy Beria, head
> > of Joseph Stalin’s secret police.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> > On July 29, 2018 8:50:47 PM GMT+02:00, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018/07/06/sniffing-a-scandal/
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Kaleb - please kill this zombie account (Roger E) and do your part to stop
spam (and maybe help keep okie benz servers from being black listed).

-
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On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 5:24 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On July 3, 2018 at 5:11 AM "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Check your password,  Roger, I suspect this is spam.
>
> Not spam.
> Messages from beyond the grave.
>

Oooo, scary, keeds!
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 3, 2018 at 5:11 AM "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" 
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> Check your password,  Roger, I suspect this is spam.

Not spam.
Messages from beyond the grave. 

Mitch.

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[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Check your password,  Roger, I suspect this is spam.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:37 AM, Roger Ellingson via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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> http://desire.nesmerak.com
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[Roger Ellingson via Mercedes]

http://desire.nesmerak.com

Roger Ellingson

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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Folks,

If you ever receive a request to go to a link that you don’t recognize, there 
are some great free tools online you can use to check it out:

Urlquery.net

Virustotal.com (has provisions for scanning files and checking URLs)

Great easy to use resources, and trusted by us cyberguys.

Just drop your web address into one of these and they will return a report 
showing if it’s recognized as a source of nasty stuff.

-D

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Emails from dead men are always suspect...
> 
>On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, 9:54:15 AM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
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> My computer tells me this is a "suspicious link" and not to open it..
> 
> GIGO? or is it something with bad bite?
> 
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:15 AM, Roger Ellingson via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> http://seem.star-diagnosis.us
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

My computer tells me this is a "suspicious link" and not to open it..

GIGO? or is it something with bad bite?

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Hey!  A message from Woger!

How are things on the other side?

-D



> On May 15, 2018, at 4:26 AM, Roger Ellingson via Mercedes 
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> http://straight.popsdiscountdeals.com
> Roger Ellingson
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[Roger Ellingson via Mercedes]

http://straight.popsdiscountdeals.com
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[MBZ] Fwd: Subject: Re: V. Cool '61 Land Rover on BAT

[Rdeafboy via Mercedes]

 
 
From: rdeaf...@aol.com
To: mere...@okiebenz.com
Sent: 12/28/2017 2:20:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
Subject: Subject: Re: [MBZ] V. Cool '61 Land Rover on BAT

As a proud  owner of a 1969 Austin America [ Lucas wired] ,I've never had a 
problem with the "Prince of Darkness"I remember when all my frat brothers 
had MGs and if it was foggy or raining  you can forget about starting your car 
...never had that problem but of course i used "Wire Dryer" spray to cover the 
distributor/spark plug wires...Of course ,on a British car it is a well known 
fact that :  ALL PARTS FALLING OFF THIS CAR ARE OF THE FINEST ENGLISH 
WORKMANSHIP..I rest my case...

 
Bob  1983 240d  233K
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[hursley--- via Mercedes]

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com
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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I had the same problem.  Typically, it's the hatch seal and rear quarter
window gaskets that can be replaced or resealed, at our option.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Door gasket is the usual suspect when the footwell fills up, but I would
> suspect the window gasket in your case.  Get a new one, re-intalling with
> an old seal will just give you a bigger leak.
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[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Door gasket is the usual suspect when the footwell fills up, but I  
would suspect the window gasket in your case.  Get a new one, re- 
intalling with an old seal will just give you a bigger leak.


Peter

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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I sent this a few days ago, but it never went out.

The tailgate on my 85 Wagon is filling with water when it rains. A new
behavior. Is it usually the window seal, the wiper nozzle seal, the wiper
stalk seal, or the main door gasket? Some water in the footwell of the 3rd
seat also.

I guess the first step is reinstall the glass. The door gasket looks good,
but perhaps I could tighten the latch position a bit.

Thanks.
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Toward the end of my college career I had an early 386, or maybe it was a 286, 
laptop which actually had an internal hard drive. The drive aged badly and 
would get "sticktion" where the platter wouldn't spin up. You could tell it had 
happened because there was no sound on bootup, the drive was fairly loud in 
operation. The failing drive was one reason I'd gotten the laptop for cheap, 
really cheap, like $20 cheap.
I found that if you held the computer about 4" off the desk and dropped it the 
drive would free up and everything was fine. I used it like that for a couple 
years until I graduated. When I left I sold the laptop (for considerably more 
than I'd paid for it) to a younger student with instructions on how to deal 
with the sticktion issue. A month or two later he called me, the computer had 
quit and nothing he could do would bring it back. I didn't live far away so I 
stopped by for a visit. When he powered it up the drive made the most gawdawful 
grinding noise that clearly said "this is the end", I also noticed a big crack 
in the screen.
When probed he said "I did just like you said" and picked up the laptop and 
dropped it from waist height on the floor...
-Curt

  From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 12:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
   
> Ala the Apple III Repair Manual: Did you pick the Mac up from a height 
> of
> about 5 inches and drop it soundly on the table to reseat the chips?

In many older computers all the chips were socketed.  They eventually
figured out that this was a reliability nightmare unless one used
sockets that cost near as much as the chips in them, and then
sockets went away.  Except for sometimes the CPU itself, and maybe
the RAM devices, once SIMM came along.

But sometimes a good thump does plenty of good.

-- Jim


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[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Ala the Apple III Repair Manual: Did you pick the Mac up from a height of
about 5 inches and drop it soundly on the table to reseat the chips?

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Secret message for Rich
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> Congrats on getting you mac going.  Maybe it does not like being cold, and
> after running a while was warm and happy.  Bad solder joint?
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> I sent you a message to your account on constructivity (reply to yours)
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[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Ala the Apple III Repair Manual: Did you pick the Mac up from a height of
about 5 inches and drop it soundly on the table to reseat the chips?


In many older computers all the chips were socketed.  They eventually
figured out that this was a reliability nightmare unless one used
sockets that cost near as much as the chips in them, and then
sockets went away.  Except for sometimes the CPU itself, and maybe
the RAM devices, once SIMM came along.

But sometimes a good thump does plenty of good.

-- Jim



That was one of the beauties of the Amiga computers.  You could swap 
out a lot of of the chips for various upgrades.   (another was that 
you could run the Mac OS on them)


But the standard was for the stealer to hold the box waist high and 
drop it to "seat the chips" before unpacking.


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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Ala the Apple III Repair Manual: Did you pick the Mac up from a height 
of

about 5 inches and drop it soundly on the table to reseat the chips?


In many older computers all the chips were socketed.  They eventually
figured out that this was a reliability nightmare unless one used
sockets that cost near as much as the chips in them, and then
sockets went away.  Except for sometimes the CPU itself, and maybe
the RAM devices, once SIMM came along.

But sometimes a good thump does plenty of good.

-- Jim


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[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Secret message for Rich

Congrats on getting you mac going.  Maybe it does not like being 
cold, and after running a while was warm and happy.  Bad solder joint?


I sent you a message to your account on constructivity (reply to 
yours)  Your server bounced it.  Says it does not like my gmail acct.


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[Alice Strickland via Mercedes]

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