Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
When I bought my 78 240D it had the clear lights and I wanted yellow so I bought as pair from the deal at around $40 each - they are Bosch and came with bulbs -- definitely not sealed beam... LarryT 78 240D 91 300D On 4/24/2014 2:14 PM, Fmiser wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Anybody else want to weigh in on this? I completely sure none of my 123 cars has had sealed beam lights, theres a bulb held in by a little wire clippy. I have a few I can check - but as I have never messed with them I presumed they were sealed beam. They mount and adjust like a sealed beam... So I just took my Yankee screwdriver out at pulled one apart. The one I picked had broken glass, but after opening it up, it clearly uses an H3 lamp. So the reflector and lens seem to be bonded together, but the actual light source (lamp) is a replaceable H3 and thus is _not_ a sealed beam. I'm too lazy to check the others. I'll take a picture when I get home tonight. My '78 240D has clear driving lights my '83 240D had yellow. My wagon had clear but I converted to yellow because I like the look of them. I was going to convert the '78 but Dwight talked me out of it. His CD has one of the yellow ones from my '83 240D. I think the lenses and reflectors on both the clear and yellow are for fog lights. At least all the ones I have here are. I have thought about converting them to driving lights. Thats what sealed beam means right? Where the bulb is sealed into the lens, like the headlight... Yes. Sealed beam means there is no glass envelope around just the filament (like the H3 lamp has). The entire reflector and lens are the envelope which has oxygen removed so the filament won't burn. Gerry wrote: I wonder if there are both sealed beam and bulb in housing lamps by different manufacturers that fit the standard 123 headlight/fog light assembly? I guess that's possible. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Well rather than just keep arguing I figured it was time somebody got some proof one way or the other so I headed out to my '78 240D. I'd forgotten how much has to come apart to see the fog lights. So here we go, perfectly normal 123 lights: http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/0F2F6AEE-913F-4F0D-A7D0-8580D97BE6AF-7731-062691B6D212_zps22d498ed.jpg View on i843.photobucket.com Preview by Yahoo Headlight door removed: http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/328285e0-26f5-41e6-b8db-fa26ee353d22_zpscda78417.jpg View on i843.photobucket.com Preview by Yahoo There are screws top and bottom to remove the bezel: http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/9403629A-71F7-4862-9D04-26098D4AA1BF-7731-06269CBF4EBA_zps6ee9ddcb.jpg View on i843.photobucket.com Preview by Yahoo Then pull that rubber boot out of the way: http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/8F5C0903-1F4F-48B5-ABCB-8F67EC588B48-7731-0626A30F1001_zps43f1ede9.jpg View on i843.photobucket.com Preview by Yahoo Tah dah, not sealed beam... Partnumber: http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/8B679975-D4B9-4A1E-AF08-32FB0442BB73-7731-0626A7E7631A_zps791cd77e.jpg View on i843.photobucket.com Preview by Yahoo Ugh, it looked better on my phone... Looks like 1 305 301 026 but I'd have to check again to be sure. The same number is cast into the glass on the face. So there we go, anybody got pics of sealed beam fog lights? -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 01:23:31 + (UTC) From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Message-ID: 1169647313.32448126.1398389011152.javamail.r...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Well guysI just went and looked at my fog lights on my 83 300D. The fog bulbs appear to be sealed beam just like the hi/lo headlights in the fitting beside them. The fog bulbs have Bosch Germany embossed in the glass in the middle of them. The fixtures that the bulbs sit in have Bosch sticker on the back of them. But the fogs are definitely sealed beam, not some replaceable bulb like are in my other newer vehicles. Now I purchased the 83 300D from a young Georgia Tech grad whose mother gave it to him after inheriting it from her father who was the original purchaser in South Carolina. The young man told me he would not change anything on the car because he was afraid his mother would be mad at him. Hence, the car was all original with 165,000 miles on it when I purchased it about 18 years ago. Anyway, I don't think they are aftermarket. If I care enough about this issue, I may get into my garage attic and dig out my backup set and see what they are, but as memory serves, they are identical to the set currently on the car. Just how I see it, your visions my differ... Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Curt, I'll now have to get into my garage attic and take apart my spare assembly. However, I have one concern. Your fog light doesn't look very yellow. Mine are a deep amber/yellow color, far more so than what yours looks, at least in your picture. Does the front of your bulb / glass assembly say Bosch Germany as mine do? Hopefully this weekend, Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Very astute of you Roger. :) Pre-'82 the fog lights were clear. Check back through the last couple days, we covered it. I was going to switch to amber but Dwight talked me out of it since it wouldn't be correct. Yeah Bosch Germany. I'm trying to think of how many of this type I've had. I think if I count both amber and clear I'm going to say 9 or 10. It baffles me that in that time I've never seen a sealed beam considering both you and Max insist that yours are sealed beam. The $20 question right now is when you checked yours the other day did you actually look at the back of the bulb or just look at the front and see what you expected to see? I think from the front it'd be tough to tell the difference. Actually, can you get the part number off the front of your lens? If we had that and it matched my amber spare (provided I can find it) that might help. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:21:45 + (UTC) From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Message-ID: 995763997.32916170.1398457304996.javamail.r...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Curt, I'll now have to get into my garage attic and take apart my spare assembly. However, I have one concern. Your fog light doesn't look very yellow. Mine are a deep amber/yellow color, far more so than what yours looks, at least in your picture. Does the front of your bulb / glass assembly say Bosch Germany as mine do? Hopefully this weekend, Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Fog lights on my new '80 240D were yellow; 'still yellow when it was totaled nearly 18 years later. Wilt - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Very astute of you Roger. :) Pre-'82 the fog lights were clear. Check back through the last couple days, we covered it. I was going to switch to amber but Dwight talked me out of it since it wouldn't be correct. Yeah Bosch Germany. I'm trying to think of how many of this type I've had. I think if I count both amber and clear I'm going to say 9 or 10. It baffles me that in that time I've never seen a sealed beam considering both you and Max insist that yours are sealed beam. The $20 question right now is when you checked yours the other day did you actually look at the back of the bulb or just look at the front and see what you expected to see? I think from the front it'd be tough to tell the difference. Actually, can you get the part number off the front of your lens? If we had that and it matched my amber spare (provided I can find it) that might help. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:21:45 + (UTC) From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Message-ID: 995763997.32916170.1398457304996.javamail.r...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Curt, I'll now have to get into my garage attic and take apart my spare assembly. However, I have one concern. Your fog light doesn't look very yellow. Mine are a deep amber/yellow color, far more so than what yours looks, at least in your picture. Does the front of your bulb / glass assembly say Bosch Germany as mine do? Hopefully this weekend, Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
I think yours are aftermarket because I find it impossible to believe that every car I've seen hasn't got them. Doesn't it seem weird to you that all the ones I've seen on cars spanning the whole generation are replaceable bulb? We aren't talking about euro lights all this time are we? I've never had any experience with them... The 116 car is totally different, we can easily discount that. -Curt Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 03:45:32 + (UTC) From: roger...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Message-ID: 273057448.31842058.1398311132031.javamail.r...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Kaleb, I have the originals in my 1983 300D plus a spare set I purchased on eBay about 12 years ago. Both are sealed beam. What makes you think it is aftermarket? Maybe it's the difference between US and Euro like the headlights on a 1980 300SD that people debate over which one looks best or gives the best visibility. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Curt Raymond wrote: Anybody else want to weigh in on this? I completely sure none of my 123 cars has had sealed beam lights, theres a bulb held in by a little wire clippy. I have a few I can check - but as I have never messed with them I presumed they were sealed beam. They mount and adjust like a sealed beam... So I just took my Yankee screwdriver out at pulled one apart. The one I picked had broken glass, but after opening it up, it clearly uses an H3 lamp. So the reflector and lens seem to be bonded together, but the actual light source (lamp) is a replaceable H3 and thus is _not_ a sealed beam. I'm too lazy to check the others. I'll take a picture when I get home tonight. My '78 240D has clear driving lights my '83 240D had yellow. My wagon had clear but I converted to yellow because I like the look of them. I was going to convert the '78 but Dwight talked me out of it. His CD has one of the yellow ones from my '83 240D. I think the lenses and reflectors on both the clear and yellow are for fog lights. At least all the ones I have here are. I have thought about converting them to driving lights. Thats what sealed beam means right? Where the bulb is sealed into the lens, like the headlight... Yes. Sealed beam means there is no glass envelope around just the filament (like the H3 lamp has). The entire reflector and lens are the envelope which has oxygen removed so the filament won't burn. Gerry wrote: I wonder if there are both sealed beam and bulb in housing lamps by different manufacturers that fit the standard 123 headlight/fog light assembly? I guess that's possible. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Fmiser wrote: Gerry wrote: I wonder if there are both sealed beam and bulb in housing lamps by different manufacturers that fit the standard 123 headlight/fog light assembly? I guess that's possible. I thought the headlamps were standard 7 round DOT types, and the fog lamps were interchangeable with the 5 3/4 DOT headlamps you'd find on a W116 or R107? I suspect I'd put W116 style fog lights under the bumper and driving lights in the fog light sockets if I had a W123. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
I have seen a couple of cars with sealed beam dogs but they were aftermarket I am pretty sure Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2014, at 10:00 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: They're both installed in the car. I'll take a pic and post it as soon as I find replacements. Gerry On 4/23/2014 8:56 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm forced to admit that possibility... Strange that I've only seen the bulb type. Can you take a pic of the sealed beam? -Curt Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:13:33 -0400 From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Message-ID: 53582cfd.9010...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I wonder if there are both sealed beam and bulb in housing lamps by different manufacturers that fit the standard 123 headlight/fog light assembly? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
I've only owned a single 123 car, now sold, but it had sealed beam fog lights. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Y'all watch out; I may hafta come up with another silly Sondy Tale. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights 20 posts (now 21 I guess) and we are no further ahead ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
I'm waiting for a picture of a sealed beam foglight from a 123 car. If somebodys got one I'd also like the part number from it. This has been bugging me all day... -Curt Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:07 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Message-ID: E494608AD7DF4C2295D07DE3B6FA14C0@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Y'all watch out; I may hafta come up with another silly Sondy Tale. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights 20 posts (now 21 I guess) and we are no further ahead ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Well guysI just went and looked at my fog lights on my 83 300D. The fog bulbs appear to be sealed beam just like the hi/lo headlights in the fitting beside them. The fog bulbs have Bosch Germany embossed in the glass in the middle of them. The fixtures that the bulbs sit in have Bosch sticker on the back of them. But the fogs are definitely sealed beam, not some replaceable bulb like are in my other newer vehicles. Now I purchased the 83 300D from a young Georgia Tech grad whose mother gave it to him after inheriting it from her father who was the original purchaser in South Carolina. The young man told me he would not change anything on the car because he was afraid his mother would be mad at him. Hence, the car was all original with 165,000 miles on it when I purchased it about 18 years ago. Anyway, I don't think they are aftermarket. If I care enough about this issue, I may get into my garage attic and dig out my backup set and see what they are, but as memory serves, they are identical to the set currently on the car. Just how I see it, your visions my differ... Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Gerry,
I've never seen a 123 with sealed beam fog lights. All of them were bulb in
housing. I've had 3 personally ('78 240D, '81 300TD and '83 240D) plus Dwight's
300CD and the '82 240D I took parts from in a junkyard.
Are your existing lights yellow or clear? I wonder if somebody subbed in
headlights or some other kind of lights.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:22:21 -0400
From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Fog Lights 83 300D
Message-ID: 5356b35d.8030...@embarqmail.com
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On the subject of fog lights, I bought a pair of proper size foglights
from FLAPS for my '83 300D. When I got home and tried to install them,
they were not sealed beam but had removable bulbs and would not attach
to supporting structure for the old sealbeams, and the bulb assbly was
wire in rather than plug in.
Do the old sealed beams have to be special ordered someplace, or would I
be likely to find the small sealed beams if I keep checking with local
dealers?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
i had to replace a fog light in our '85, and it was a sealed beam. i'm
fairly certain it was a plug-in deal.
quotes for replacements were rather high a few years ago, and i
heard a story about how there was something used in the manufacture of
them that had since been qualified as a hazardous material and that
was why they now cost so much. IIRC, this related specifically to the
yellow ones (which i thought started somewhere around 1982).
i was lucky enough to find a decent replacement at a local MBZ
shop. were i to need to replace one again, i would give serious
consideration to just wiring in a set of small modern lamps, but i'd
miss the look of those old yellow things.
cheers!
e
On 23/Apr/14 09:16, Curt Raymond wrote:
Gerry,
I've never seen a 123 with sealed beam fog lights. All of them were bulb in
housing. I've had 3 personally ('78 240D, '81 300TD and '83 240D) plus Dwight's
300CD and the '82 240D I took parts from in a junkyard.
Are your existing lights yellow or clear? I wonder if somebody subbed in
headlights or some other kind of lights.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:22:21 -0400
From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Fog Lights 83 300D
Message-ID: 5356b35d.8030...@embarqmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On the subject of fog lights, I bought a pair of proper size foglights
from FLAPS for my '83 300D. When I got home and tried to install them,
they were not sealed beam but had removable bulbs and would not attach
to supporting structure for the old sealbeams, and the bulb assbly was
wire in rather than plug in.
Do the old sealed beams have to be special ordered someplace, or would I
be likely to find the small sealed beams if I keep checking with local
dealers?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Curt / Gerry, Not sure how you're meaning sealed beam. My 1983 300D has yellow fog lights that look just like the dual beam headlight, only they are yellow for fog. There is no removable bulb, etc. in them, just what I'd call a sealed beam unit. I see them occasionally on eBay for sale and they are generally somewhat expensive, at least compared to the $9.00 I paid a few years ago for the dual beam hi/lo headlight. Now my 1980 has driving lights that are under the bumper and they are bulbs inside a shielded case assembly, and they are clear for driving, not yellow for fog. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Well thats just weird...
Anybody else want to weigh in on this? I completely sure none of my 123 cars
has had sealed beam lights, theres a bulb held in by a little wire clippy. I'll
take a picture when I get home tonight. My '78 240D has clear driving lights
my '83 240D had yellow. My wagon had clear but I converted to yellow because I
like the look of them. I was going to convert the '78 but Dwight talked me out
of it. His CD has one of the yellow ones from my '83 240D.
Dr. Fatty's site shows (for an '83 240D anyway) exactly what I'm talking about.
It looks like he wants to sell the whole assembly but the bulb is not sealed
into the lens.
Thats what sealed beam means right? Where the bulb is sealed into the lens,
like the headlight...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:00:16 -0700
From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Message-ID: 5357ffb0.5060...@backyardengineering.org
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i had to replace a fog light in our '85, and it was a sealed beam. i'm
fairly certain it was a plug-in deal.
quotes for replacements were rather high a few years ago, and i
heard a story about how there was something used in the manufacture of
them that had since been qualified as a hazardous material and that
was why they now cost so much. IIRC, this related specifically to the
yellow ones (which i thought started somewhere around 1982).
i was lucky enough to find a decent replacement at a local MBZ
shop. were i to need to replace one again, i would give serious
consideration to just wiring in a set of small modern lamps, but i'd
miss the look of those old yellow things.
cheers!
e
On 23/Apr/14 09:16, Curt Raymond wrote:
Gerry,
I've never seen a 123 with sealed beam fog lights. All of them were bulb in
housing. I've had 3 personally ('78 240D, '81 300TD and '83 240D) plus
Dwight's 300CD and the '82 240D I took parts from in a junkyard.
Are your existing lights yellow or clear? I wonder if somebody subbed in
headlights or some other kind of lights.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Curt,
Just called the FLAPS manager and explained the problem. He checked and
said I had been sold replacement bulbs for mounted driving lights
instead of the correct ones which are sealed beam. My '83 240D also has
sealed beams. I don't understand why you would have bulb in housing
lights while I have sealed beam. Perhaps yours are considered driving
lights rather than fog lights. Mine are inboard of the sealed beam
headlights and part of the same assembly.
Gerry
4/23/2014 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Gerry,
I've never seen a 123 with sealed beam fog lights. All of them were bulb in
housing. I've had 3 personally ('78 240D, '81 300TD and '83 240D) plus Dwight's
300CD and the '82 240D I took parts from in a junkyard.
Are your existing lights yellow or clear? I wonder if somebody subbed in
headlights or some other kind of lights.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:22:21 -0400
From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Fog Lights 83 300D
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On the subject of fog lights, I bought a pair of proper size foglights
from FLAPS for my '83 300D. When I got home and tried to install them,
they were not sealed beam but had removable bulbs and would not attach
to supporting structure for the old sealbeams, and the bulb assbly was
wire in rather than plug in.
Do the old sealed beams have to be special ordered someplace, or would I
be likely to find the small sealed beams if I keep checking with local
dealers?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
I wonder if there are both sealed beam and bulb in housing lamps by
different manufacturers that fit the standard 123 headlight/fog light
assembly?
Gerry
On 4/23/2014 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Well thats just weird...
Anybody else want to weigh in on this? I completely sure none of my 123 cars has had
sealed beam lights, theres a bulb held in by a little wire clippy. I'll take a picture
when I get home tonight. My '78 240D has clear driving lights my '83 240D had
yellow. My wagon had clear but I converted to yellow because I like the look of them. I
was going to convert the '78 but Dwight talked me out of it. His CD has one of the yellow
ones from my '83 240D.
Dr. Fatty's site shows (for an '83 240D anyway) exactly what I'm talking about.
It looks like he wants to sell the whole assembly but the bulb is not sealed
into the lens.
Thats what sealed beam means right? Where the bulb is sealed into the lens,
like the headlight...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:00:16 -0700
From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Message-ID: 5357ffb0.5060...@backyardengineering.org
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i had to replace a fog light in our '85, and it was a sealed beam. i'm
fairly certain it was a plug-in deal.
quotes for replacements were rather high a few years ago, and i
heard a story about how there was something used in the manufacture of
them that had since been qualified as a hazardous material and that
was why they now cost so much. IIRC, this related specifically to the
yellow ones (which i thought started somewhere around 1982).
i was lucky enough to find a decent replacement at a local MBZ
shop. were i to need to replace one again, i would give serious
consideration to just wiring in a set of small modern lamps, but i'd
miss the look of those old yellow things.
cheers!
e
On 23/Apr/14 09:16, Curt Raymond wrote:
Gerry,
I've never seen a 123 with sealed beam fog lights. All of them were bulb in
housing. I've had 3 personally ('78 240D, '81 300TD and '83 240D) plus Dwight's
300CD and the '82 240D I took parts from in a junkyard.
Are your existing lights yellow or clear? I wonder if somebody subbed in
headlights or some other kind of lights.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
I'm forced to admit that possibility... Strange that I've only seen the bulb type. Can you take a pic of the sealed beam? -Curt Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:13:33 -0400 From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Message-ID: 53582cfd.9010...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I wonder if there are both sealed beam and bulb in housing lamps by different manufacturers that fit the standard 123 headlight/fog light assembly? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
They are supposed to have replaceable bulbs, if they are sealed beam they are
aftermarket
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On Apr 23, 2014, at 4:02 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
Curt,
Just called the FLAPS manager and explained the problem. He checked and said
I had been sold replacement bulbs for mounted driving lights instead of the
correct ones which are sealed beam. My '83 240D also has sealed beams. I
don't understand why you would have bulb in housing lights while I have
sealed beam. Perhaps yours are considered driving lights rather than fog
lights. Mine are inboard of the sealed beam headlights and part of the same
assembly.
Gerry
4/23/2014 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Gerry,
I've never seen a 123 with sealed beam fog lights. All of them were bulb in
housing. I've had 3 personally ('78 240D, '81 300TD and '83 240D) plus
Dwight's 300CD and the '82 240D I took parts from in a junkyard.
Are your existing lights yellow or clear? I wonder if somebody subbed in
headlights or some other kind of lights.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:22:21 -0400
From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Fog Lights 83 300D
Message-ID: 5356b35d.8030...@embarqmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On the subject of fog lights, I bought a pair of proper size foglights
from FLAPS for my '83 300D. When I got home and tried to install them,
they were not sealed beam but had removable bulbs and would not attach
to supporting structure for the old sealbeams, and the bulb assbly was
wire in rather than plug in.
Do the old sealed beams have to be special ordered someplace, or would I
be likely to find the small sealed beams if I keep checking with local
dealers?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
They're both installed in the car. I'll take a pic and post it as soon as I find replacements. Gerry On 4/23/2014 8:56 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm forced to admit that possibility... Strange that I've only seen the bulb type. Can you take a pic of the sealed beam? -Curt Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:13:33 -0400 From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights Message-ID: 53582cfd.9010...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I wonder if there are both sealed beam and bulb in housing lamps by different manufacturers that fit the standard 123 headlight/fog light assembly? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
That's what I have, Roger. The lamp is like a large bulb with vacuum or some kind of gas sealed inside. When they first came out in the _(40s-50s?) there was a small bulb inside the sealed lamp. Later there was no bulb; just the filament inside the large lamp. There are three prongs on the back that plug into the typical three prong female plug. Gerry On 4/23/2014 2:08 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: Curt / Gerry, Not sure how you're meaning sealed beam. My 1983 300D has yellow fog lights that look just like the dual beam headlight, only they are yellow for fog. There is no removable bulb, etc. in them, just what I'd call a sealed beam unit. I see them occasionally on eBay for sale and they are generally somewhat expensive, at least compared to the $9.00 I paid a few years ago for the dual beam hi/lo headlight. Now my 1980 has driving lights that are under the bumper and they are bulbs inside a shielded case assembly, and they are clear for driving, not yellow for fog. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's what I have, Roger. The lamp is like a large bulb with vacuum or some kind of gas sealed inside. When they first came out in the _(40s-50s?) there was a small bulb inside the sealed lamp. Later there was no bulb; just the filament inside the large lamp. There are three prongs on the back that plug into the typical three prong female plug. OK, who here bought a 123 new, and kept it long enough to have to replace a fog lamp (bulb)? Wilton? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Kaleb, I have the originals in my 1983 300D plus a spare set I purchased on eBay about 12 years ago. Both are sealed beam. What makes you think it is aftermarket? Maybe it's the difference between US and Euro like the headlights on a 1980 300SD that people debate over which one looks best or gives the best visibility. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
I bought a new '80 240D; had it 18 years before uninsured motorist on ragged pickup totaled it. Don't remember ever replacing fog bulb in it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That's what I have, Roger. The lamp is like a large bulb with vacuum or some kind of gas sealed inside. When they first came out in the _(40s-50s?) there was a small bulb inside the sealed lamp. Later there was no bulb; just the filament inside the large lamp. There are three prongs on the back that plug into the typical three prong female plug. OK, who here bought a 123 new, and kept it long enough to have to replace a fog lamp (bulb)? Wilton? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
WILTON wrote: I bought a new '80 240D; had it 18 years before uninsured motorist on ragged pickup totaled it. Don't remember ever replacing fog bulb in it. Good point. There's rarely a need for fog lights, so how would you ever wear one out? With that in mind, why is it that you never seem to see original yellow fog lamps on used W123s advertised for sale? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 123 fog lights
Mitch, I purchased my 1983 300D from the grandson of the original owner who lived in South Carolina. It has the original headlight/fog light assemblies. I have replaced a couple of hi/lo beam headlights, but the yellow fog lights are still original as they rarely get used. They have the same rear plug as the headlight. As I said in another post, about 12 years ago I purchased a spare set of headlight assemblies to include the side turn lights and the yellow fog lights on eBay. I still have the spare set in a box as I have never needed them. I also have a spare set of front lights for my 1980 300SD. I'm not much on spare belts and fuses, but I like to have spare headlights and taillight assemblies in case some goober backs into me in the parking lot :-) Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
