Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
I think the preference for a diesel over a vergasser is either a chemical addiction or a religious mandate - definetly not a rational decision. Diesel is 4 cents/gallon lower than regular gas here today - so I'm grinning again, even though they are record high prices (for me anyway). Oh yes, I also hate spark plugs. That does enter into the equation. On 8/10/05, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 10:20:00PM -0600, Dave M. wrote: Like me, they prefer diesels... also they live in PRK, and diesels are still smog exempt there which is a big plus. It is starting to get to the point where the smog exemption isn't enough to make one select a diesel over a gasser. It is not difficult to get a car to pass smog if it runs well, and if it doesn't run well, you should fix it, apart from the smog test. With the price difference between diesel fuel and premium growing almost daily here, it will take a LOT of miles per year to make up for the cost savings in an engine with longer maintenance intervals. Or, you have to be someone interested in alternative fuels, or someone who hates the idea of life with spark plugs. K ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com http://www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Are the improved updated rods even available anymore? I suppose you would have to pull the engine, then the pan and crank to change out the rods. That would be easier than having to pull the head. Dave M. wrote: Like me, they prefer diesels... also they live in PRK, and diesels are still smog exempt there which is a big plus. If I had a 600SEL and it failed smog there I think I'd faint at visions of $4k catalysts or some other such malarky. Also the improved MPG, less maintenance, etc. He doesn't really want a rod bender, he wants a W140 with a diesel, and well there's only one option that fits in the USA - and it's a rod bender! If you get one that hasn't yet failed, if you change the rods out BEFORE they destroy the cylinders, the engine should last as long as any other MB diesel. Of course it would be preferable to get one that already has a rebuilt factory motor to avoid that little hassle. :-( -Dave M. -- Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:39:17 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL why does he want a bod bender? Im on the lookout for another 140 myself and might take a chance on a rod bender, but the wife does not like diesels so its either going to be a 300SE, or a V8 Dave M. wrote: BTW, my BIL is seriously shopping for a 1992-95 S350 diesel (yes, the rodbender). If anyone has a line on a cream puff, let me know. Strong preference given to examples with a documented replacement engine, although if it's original and uses zero oil and the price was right, I think that would be OK too (then I'd make him proactively replace the rods!) :-) -Dave M. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
In a message dated 8/10/2005 7:58:14 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are the improved updated rods even available anymore? I suppose you would have to pull the engine, then the pan and crank to change out the rods. That would be easier than having to pull the head. Kaleb, I would doubt if Mercedes machined this engine for ring compression (like most motorcycles) from the bottom. Putting the new piston/rod assembly in would require pulling the head as well, I betcha'. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 137 K miles
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Mightn't the sleeves provide a surface for the edge of the ring compressor to bear against? Doubt I'd want to go to all that trouble and not replace the head gasket anyway; call it 'paranoia'. ;) joe On 8/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I would doubt if Mercedes machined this engine for ring compression (like most motorcycles) from the bottom. Putting the new piston/rod assembly in would require pulling the head as well, I betcha'.
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Dave, Here's your rod-bender. From the Austin American-Statesman: http://cars.statesmanclassifieds.com/autos?property=austintp=Austintemp_type=detailclassification=autosad_id=23011098 BTW, here's a 95 E300D also. A much better ride in my opinion: http://cars.statesmanclassifieds.com/autos?property=austintp=Austintemp_type=detailclassification=autosad_id=23140151 Gary Thompson 1995 E320 1984 300D The Curse On 8/9/05, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I was quoting prices based on dealer wholesale (Rusty) or used... my numbers are probably optimistic. I didn't want to totally scare poor Kleb like you probably just did, lol... BTW, my BIL is seriously shopping for a 1992-95 S350 diesel (yes, the rodbender). If anyone has a line on a cream puff, let me know. Strong preference given to examples with a documented replacement engine, although if it's original and uses zero oil and the price was right, I think that would be OK too (then I'd make him proactively replace the rods!) :-) -Dave M.
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Gary Thompson wrote: Dave, Here's your rod-bender. From the Austin American-Statesman: http://cars.statesmanclassifieds.com/autos?property=austintp=Austintemp_type=detailclassification=autosad_id=23011098 BTW, here's a 95 E300D also. A much better ride in my opinion: http://cars.statesmanclassifieds.com/autos?property=austintp=Austintemp_type=detailclassification=autosad_id=23140151 While the 124 chassis has won numerous touring car awards and is a delightful highway car, it's ride is not superior to the W140!! The 126 sedan and even the 124 wagon was a better ride then the 124 sedan and the W126 was inferior to the W140. The W140 is a GREAT highway car - perhaps the finest Mercedes ever made made according to the OWNERS that I've talked with. If you've driven one that wasn't GREAT, then it was BROKEN. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
So in other words, you might as well rebuild the engine with new rings, bearings etc Dave M. wrote: Kaleb, I believe we can only get the updated rods and AFAIK, they're still available. Current cost is about $160/ea wholesale. You need to pull the oil pan AND head, as the piston can only be removed from the top of the engine. Definitely a big job. I'd want to pull the motor, and while it's apart, do all the chain rails too. :-) -dm -- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:03:26 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL Are the improved updated rods even available anymore? I suppose you would have to pull the engine, then the pan and crank to change out the rods. That would be easier than having to pull the head. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Are the improved updated rods even available anymore? I suppose you would have to pull the engine, then the pan and crank to change out the rods. That would be easier than having to pull the head. Last time I checked the rods were available (the improved pistons that were used in SOME rebuilds have not been available for more than several years) BUT the installation of new rods in a block that hasn't been rebored and sleeved is problematical. At least half of the independent or even dealer rebuilds have failed. Mercedes forbade reboring the original block (despite the fact that they do just that at their rebuild facility - but MANY of the core blocks MUST be discarded I'm told). Both non factory rebuilds that haven't been rebored and those that have been rebored and sleeved have failed in about equal numbers. The ONLY reliable OM603.97 engine seems to be a FACTORY replacement whether it incorporates a NEW or a factory rebored block. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
I'll stand by my OPINION. The 126 and 140 are just too big for me to be confortable driving. I LIKE the smaller 124 better, so there! I had no idea I was entering the realm of political discussion when I made this statement earlier... Gary Thompson 1995 E320 1984 300D On 8/10/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the 124 chassis has won numerous touring car awards and is a delightful highway car, it's ride is not superior to the W140!! The 126 sedan and even the 124 wagon was a better ride then the 124 sedan and the W126 was inferior to the W140. The W140 is a GREAT highway car - perhaps the finest Mercedes ever made made according to the OWNERS that I've talked with. If you've driven one that wasn't GREAT, then it was BROKEN. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
On Tue, Aug 09, 2005 at 10:20:00PM -0600, Dave M. wrote: Like me, they prefer diesels... also they live in PRK, and diesels are still smog exempt there which is a big plus. It is starting to get to the point where the smog exemption isn't enough to make one select a diesel over a gasser. It is not difficult to get a car to pass smog if it runs well, and if it doesn't run well, you should fix it, apart from the smog test. With the price difference between diesel fuel and premium growing almost daily here, it will take a LOT of miles per year to make up for the cost savings in an engine with longer maintenance intervals. Or, you have to be someone interested in alternative fuels, or someone who hates the idea of life with spark plugs. K
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 01:41:06PM -0400, Marshall Booth wrote: even the 124 wagon was a better ride then the 124 sedan This makes little sense to me, but it proves itself empirically any time I get out of the 300D and get into the 300TD. I don't know whether it's the extra weight, the different suspension, or what. The back seat, however, is another story. I'd prefer to sit in the back seat of the 300D than the 300TD on a trip, if I wasn't driving. K
[MBZ] 140 600SEL
who on here has one of these beasts? EPA says mileage is 11 city 15 highway. Thats only 2mpg less than the 4.2 v-8. Hmm. A dude I know is selling his for 12.5k, only has 67k miles, VERY nice car. Was looking at it a while back(before he was selling it) and he says you have to remove the air box etc and a bunch of crap on the drivers side of the engine compartment to get to the oil filter. Anyways, whats the deal with this V-12 motor? Any trouble with them? Seems I have heard of trouble but cant think of anything specific. I would REALLY love to buy this thing if I can come up with some cash. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
its a 92 btw Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: who on here has one of these beasts? EPA says mileage is 11 city 15 highway. Thats only 2mpg less than the 4.2 v-8. Hmm. A dude I know is selling his for 12.5k, only has 67k miles, VERY nice car. Was looking at it a while back(before he was selling it) and he says you have to remove the air box etc and a bunch of crap on the drivers side of the engine compartment to get to the oil filter. Anyways, whats the deal with this V-12 motor? Any trouble with them? Seems I have heard of trouble but cant think of anything specific. I would REALLY love to buy this thing if I can come up with some cash. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Any trouble with them? IIRC, saying a 600 Limo (6.3 V8) requires the resources of a small country to keep roadworthy is like saying a V12 600 requires the resources of a medium sized country. Besides, who wants to pay 20 cents per mile for fuel?
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
yea, true, but its not much worse than the 4.2, at least according to the epa website. I just find that hard to believe though. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Any trouble with them? IIRC, saying a 600 Limo (6.3 V8) requires the resources of a small country to keep roadworthy is like saying a V12 600 requires the resources of a medium sized country. Besides, who wants to pay 20 cents per mile for fuel? ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he says you have to remove the air box etc and a bunch of crap on the drivers side of the engine compartment to get to the oil filter. Anyways, whats the deal with this V-12 motor? Any trouble with them? Seems I have heard of trouble but cant think of anything specific. I would REALLY love to buy this thing if I can come up with some cash. With less than 70k I wouldn't imagine you'd have much trouble. Heck, with a V12 I'd count myself lucky if ALL I had to remove was an airbox and some other small stuff to get to the oil filter. Like you'd be putting many miles on a V12? You might only have to change the oil once a year anyway. mac
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
I suspect that Regina could rack up some serious miles in a year in that car -- and love every mile! I also thiink Kaleb had better start stockiing up on V12 parts cars real soon! On 8/8/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he says you have to remove the air box etc and a bunch of crap on the drivers side of the engine compartment to get to the oil filter. Anyways, whats the deal with this V-12 motor? Any trouble with them? Seems I have heard of trouble but cant think of anything specific. I would REALLY love to buy this thing if I can come up with some cash. With less than 70k I wouldn't imagine you'd have much trouble. Heck, with a V12 I'd count myself lucky if ALL I had to remove was an airbox and some other small stuff to get to the oil filter. Like you'd be putting many miles on a V12? You might only have to change the oil once a year anyway. mac -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
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Well it would be for regina to drive, but she doesnt really drive that many miles I dont guess. Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he says you have to remove the air box etc and a bunch of crap on the drivers side of the engine compartment to get to the oil filter. Anyways, whats the deal with this V-12 motor? Any trouble with them? Seems I have heard of trouble but cant think of anything specific. I would REALLY love to buy this thing if I can come up with some cash. With less than 70k I wouldn't imagine you'd have much trouble. Heck, with a V12 I'd count myself lucky if ALL I had to remove was an airbox and some other small stuff to get to the oil filter. Like you'd be putting many miles on a V12? You might only have to change the oil once a year anyway. mac ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Kaleb, The M120 motor is very closely related to both the M119 and the M104, I believe. It's a pretty solid engine mechanically... but electrically, well, all the M119/M104 problems apply - wiring harnesses, EZL failure (ok, that's not real common), TBA (that's more common), etc. There are two of everything on the V-12... two TBA's, two EZLs, etc, IIRC. Gobs and gobs of power though. If the airbox is anything like the M119, it just pops off in a few seconds of tugging - no big deal. Nice design, actually. As to the comparison to the old 600 limo, I think it's warranted but not apples to apples. The old 600 limo requires the resources of a medium-size country with lots and lots of oil reserves in their deserts. You have *got* to be certifiable to own one of those things. Now the W140, with any engine, merely requires the resources of a large city, perhaps a small state. If you intend to do DIY work, you either need the WIS or that new service DVD (they'll have the same info but in different format I think), and the patience of Job to try and troubleshoot anything (or just to learn how to navigate the WIS!). Parts cost, well, let's just say Rusty will be sending you more than just a card come Xmas. ;-) If you get it, Kaleb, you need to get some fat 18 AMG or tuner (Brabus, Lorinser, etc) wheels on there to complete the look! Definitely a sweet ride if you can afford it. I bet the cruise works quite nicely at the 155mph governor. :-) -dm -- Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:12:36 -0400 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Any trouble with them? IIRC, saying a 600 Limo (6.3 V8) requires the resources of a small country to keep roadworthy is like saying a V12 600 requires the resources of a medium sized country. Besides, who wants to pay 20 cents per mile for fuel?
[MBZ] 140 600SEL
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:04:59 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 140 600SEL who on here has one of these beasts? EPA says mileage is 11 city 15 highway. Thats only 2mpg less than the 4.2 v-8. Hmm. A dude I know is selling his for 12.5k, only has 67k miles, VERY nice car. Kaleb, You did not mention what color combination the car is! Thank you, Omar.
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
you mean even more than in the SDL? OK Don wrote: I'm betting that she would find a lot more houses to show driving the 600SEL -- -- -- and she could do it in record time! On 8/8/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it would be for regina to drive, but she doesnt really drive that many miles I dont guess. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
it bordeaux red with camel Kayoooh wrote: Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:04:59 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 140 600SEL who on here has one of these beasts? EPA says mileage is 11 city 15 highway. Thats only 2mpg less than the 4.2 v-8. Hmm. A dude I know is selling his for 12.5k, only has 67k miles, VERY nice car. Kaleb, You did not mention what color combination the car is! Thank you, Omar. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL/ bordeaux red and camel
In a message dated 8/9/2005 6:02:56 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it bordeaux red with camel Man, these are my favorite colors!! Pretty rare combo. Buy it! Run it 'till it dies and then make a road side sculpture out of it. Gas costs will be the least of your expenses. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 137 K miles
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: who on here has one of these beasts? EPA says mileage is 11 city 15 highway. Thats only 2mpg less than the 4.2 v-8. Hmm. A dude I know is selling his for 12.5k, only has 67k miles, VERY nice car. Was looking at it a while back(before he was selling it) and he says you have to remove the air box etc and a bunch of crap on the drivers side of the engine compartment to get to the oil filter. Anyways, whats the deal with this V-12 motor? Any trouble with them? Seems I have heard of trouble but cant think of anything specific. I would REALLY love to buy this thing if I can come up with some cash. I know of an estimate to replace the wiring harness in either an SL600 or SEL -damaged by installation of an aftermarket alarm system. The dealer wanted $17,000 for the job and said it COULD be more! My mechanic did a preliminary estimate and said it could be a LOT more! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
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Kaleb, EZL is the electronic ignition module/brain. On the M119 cars, they're about $3k new, very hard to find used, and $750-$1000 used. Not a common failure but I heard of several in the V8 community in the past year or two. It's the kind of thing you keep your eyes out for and grab a spare if you spot one on eBay for a few hundred bucks. One lucky guy scored a spare for $300, I would have been all OVER that if I had seen it. The TBA is Throttle Body Actuator, the electronic throttle body widget that has a motor that opens closes the throttle butterflies (it's all electronic on this engine, remember). That's not as bad, maybe $1k each, but they're also known to have a limited life span. The previous owner of my E500 replaced this before I bought it, and mine was a 94 with only 90kmi. I think it's a wiring failure, so a car from a hot area (Phoenix, Sacramento, etc) may have more issues like this but I'm not sure about that. Don't forget the timing chain rails, if the rails start to come apart, the cost to replace is ginormous, as the whole front of the motor has to come off (and maybe the heads or lower oil pan too). The chains usually last 150kmi or so before they stretch enough to change, and that's more complex than a diesel chain replacement, but it's the rails that you don't want to mess with. VERY hard to tell if the rails are OK other than pulling the lower pan and inspecting for big chunks of debris (AFAIK). :-) -dm -- Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:49:27 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL what is ezl and tba?
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Sorry Dave your not even close These are wholesale prices: ETA rebuilt - left $1300/right $1600. New the pair are 5k from the dealer. ignition control modules new are $3800 each (LR) $7600 for the pair from the dealer EA module is $2500 92 engine harness is $2300 93 harness is $1750 (thank you jesus my car used the 93 harness) M119 motor is different that the M120 in it's configuration. We have a M119 in the 1991 500SL remove timing chain cover to get to front rails. LOTS of stuff needs to come off. Huge PITA. when I get the diesel done that's next on the list when the ozone levels drop to something more normal. bent rods in a 350 are a cake walk. Jim - Original Message - From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL Kaleb, EZL is the electronic ignition module/brain. On the M119 cars, they're about $3k new, very hard to find used, and $750-$1000 used. Not a common failure but I heard of several in the V8 community in the past year or two. It's the kind of thing you keep your eyes out for and grab a spare if you spot one on eBay for a few hundred bucks. One lucky guy scored a spare for $300, I would have been all OVER that if I had seen it. The TBA is Throttle Body Actuator, the electronic throttle body widget that has a motor that opens closes the throttle butterflies (it's all electronic on this engine, remember). That's not as bad, maybe $1k each, but they're also known to have a limited life span. The previous owner of my E500 replaced this before I bought it, and mine was a 94 with only 90kmi. I think it's a wiring failure, so a car from a hot area (Phoenix, Sacramento, etc) may have more issues like this but I'm not sure about that. Don't forget the timing chain rails, if the rails start to come apart, the cost to replace is ginormous, as the whole front of the motor has to come off (and maybe the heads or lower oil pan too). The chains usually last 150kmi or so before they stretch enough to change, and that's more complex than a diesel chain replacement, but it's the rails that you don't want to mess with. VERY hard to tell if the rails are OK other than pulling the lower pan and inspecting for big chunks of debris (AFAIK). :-) -dm -- Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:49:27 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL what is ezl and tba? ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL
Yeah, I was quoting prices based on dealer wholesale (Rusty) or used... my numbers are probably optimistic. I didn't want to totally scare poor Kleb like you probably just did, lol... BTW, my BIL is seriously shopping for a 1992-95 S350 diesel (yes, the rodbender). If anyone has a line on a cream puff, let me know. Strong preference given to examples with a documented replacement engine, although if it's original and uses zero oil and the price was right, I think that would be OK too (then I'd make him proactively replace the rods!) :-) -Dave M. -- Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:37:30 -0400 From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL Sorry Dave your not even close These are wholesale prices: ETA rebuilt - left $1300/right $1600. New the pair are 5k from the dealer. ignition control modules new are $3800 each (LR) $7600 for the pair from the dealer EA module is $2500 92 engine harness is $2300 93 harness is $1750 (thank you jesus my car used the 93 harness) M119 motor is different that the M120 in it's configuration. We have a M119 in the 1991 500SL remove timing chain cover to get to front rails. LOTS of stuff needs to come off. Huge PITA. when I get the diesel done that's next on the list when the ozone levels drop to something more normal. bent rods in a 350 are a cake walk. Jim
Re: [MBZ] 140 600SEL/ bordeaux red and camel
Imagine - a classy bordeaux-sipping camel sitting in the back seat of a Mercedes. Quite a look. On 8/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/9/2005 6:02:56 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it bordeaux red with camel Man, these are my favorite colors!! Pretty rare combo. Buy it! Run it 'till it dies and then make a road side sculpture out of it. Gas costs will be the least of your expenses. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 137 K miles ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
