Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD - 360k miles - $7,000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks nice but it begs the question, what else needs to be done? At that
asking price it should not need much of anything to perfect it

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> Looks nice, but no interior photos. Pretty ambitious ask considering the
> miles.
>
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[MBZ] 1980 300SD - 360k miles - $7,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks nice, but no interior photos. Pretty ambitious ask considering the miles.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/naperville-1980-mercedes-benz-300sd/7637774388.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, I was also forgetting that one.

Any rubber mounts / bushings / flex discs that are older than ten years are 
suspect according to the late Dr Marshall Booth.

Rubber mount for differential?

Maybe start with engine mounts and then replace every piece of rubber back to 
the differential mounts, if your budget allows.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 11, 2019 6:39:07 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes :

> Oh, I forgot -- a bad transmission mount is a very likely cause of vibration 
> under acceleration and not under coasting -- the torque pushes the 
> transmission up off the mount, and drag pushes it down.
> 
> Easy job.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

My indy was of the mind that it was a waste of his time and my cash to fix just 
one flex disk when I came in with vibrations.   His book time to do the front 
and rears along with the center bearing was close enough to just doing a single 
disk.  Just the cost of parts with the mark up.  I never pushed him not to do 
his best.  He fixed the SD, E300D and the 220D, as well as the R107 when things 
got harmonic.

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> On Dec 11, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Center bearing support bushing is bad.  I'd replace the front flex disk if 
> the rear was bad too, they are under the same conditions and if one was iffy 
> the other is too.  Worth the time to replace the center carrier bearing too.
> 
> What happens is that under acceleration the bad bushing will allow the 
> driveshaft to go just very slightly off center and shake (as will a bad flex 
> disk).  Acceleration forces are much greater than deceleration drag so little 
> or nothing happens when you are coasting.
> 
> You will have to carefully mark the driveshaft before you take it apart, not 
> all of them were marked for proper alignment in 1980.
> 
> Peter 

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Being off one spline WILL cause vibration.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 11, 2019 at 5:09 PM

I have not done it but it should be fairly easy to replace the center 
support. The big thing is to be absolutely sure that you mark the 
parts so that they can be put back in the same relationship to each 
other. The drive shaft is balanced as a unit and if you are out by a 
spline or two, it will likely be a problem.


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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

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+1


Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
December 11, 2019 at 1:38 PM
I'd put my money on center support bearing and carrier.

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Oh, I forgot -- a bad transmission mount is a very likely cause of vibration 
under acceleration and not under coasting -- the torque pushes the transmission 
up off the mount, and drag pushes it down.

Easy job.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Center bearing support bushing is bad.  I'd replace the front flex disk if the 
rear was bad too, they are under the same conditions and if one was iffy the 
other is too.  Worth the time to replace the center carrier bearing too.

What happens is that under acceleration the bad bushing will allow the 
driveshaft to go just very slightly off center and shake (as will a bad flex 
disk).  Acceleration forces are much greater than deceleration drag so little 
or nothing happens when you are coasting.

You will have to carefully mark the driveshaft before you take it apart, not 
all of them were marked for proper alignment in 1980.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 11/12/2019 4:45 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks to all for their input and suggestions.  More detail:  the rear axles 
and boots look ok, no slack there, the tranny was a used unit purchased in 
Arizona and installed 2 years ago (probably less than 1,000 miles since 
installed) and it's ok except the vac from the IP to the modulator can't be 
adjusted, yea, needed piece is NLA.
So, can the center support, flex, etc. be easily replaced?  My Indie started 
talking about pulling the drive shaft, cutting off the ujoints, rebalancing the 
drive shaft and the putting everything back...a rather large amount of money 
for a 1980 car considering I've already put around $4k into revitalizing this 
car.
Any additional thoughts anyone?  Just trying to get back to a smooth ride and 
still have money for diesel fuel :-))
Thanks,
Roger
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I have not done it but it should be fairly easy to replace the center 
support. The big thing is to be absolutely sure that you mark the parts 
so that they can be put back in the same relationship to each other. The 
drive shaft is balanced as a unit and if you are out by a spline or two, 
it will likely be a problem.


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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed. Especially since the vibration goes away on deceleration (no load).

-D

> On Dec 11, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd put my money on center support bearing and carrier.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:27 PM ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Time to consult the brain trust.  I've been getting my 1980 300SD
>> revitalized and back into driving condition.  Almost everything is done,
>> except, it still has a vibration somewhere in the drive train when
>> accelerating.  It starts at around 40mph.  My Indie replaced the rear flex
>> disk which reduced the vibration some, but not all.  When you are coasting
>> or take your foot off the accelerator, the vibration stops.  This seems to
>> rule out wheel bearings and axles, etc.  So, could this be the center
>> support bearings or universal joints or what?
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Best Wishes,
>> Roger
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Thanks to all for their input and suggestions.  More detail:  the rear axles 
and boots look ok, no slack there, the tranny was a used unit purchased in 
Arizona and installed 2 years ago (probably less than 1,000 miles since 
installed) and it's ok except the vac from the IP to the modulator can't be 
adjusted, yea, needed piece is NLA. 
So, can the center support, flex, etc. be easily replaced?  My Indie started 
talking about pulling the drive shaft, cutting off the ujoints, rebalancing the 
drive shaft and the putting everything back...a rather large amount of money 
for a 1980 car considering I've already put around $4k into revitalizing this 
car.
Any additional thoughts anyone?  Just trying to get back to a smooth ride and 
still have money for diesel fuel :-))
Thanks,
Roger
Roger Hale
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Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Yes, this is true... its likely the center support, not the bearing
itself.  Its a good idea to replace the flex disc as well.  Both can look
fine visually and cause issues with vibration.

Jaime


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:40 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> Once you've experienced it, driveline vibration is much higher pitched
> than wheel-related noise.  (Due to the gear ratio in the differential.)
> Seems
> to me that it would be unlikely to be the center bearing, but it could be
> the
> front flex disc or the center support bushing.  Or, the U-joint.  Of
> course,
> one replaces the bearing too once you have it all apart.  It could be
> possible
> that the slip joint is loose.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

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On 11/12/2019 1:26 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

Time to consult the brain trust.  I've been getting my 1980 300SD revitalized 
and back into driving condition.  Almost everything is done, except, it still 
has a vibration somewhere in the drive train when accelerating.  It starts at 
around 40mph.  My Indie replaced the rear flex disk which reduced the vibration 
some, but not all.  When you are coasting or take your foot off the 
accelerator, the vibration stops.  This seems to rule out wheel bearings and 
axles, etc.  So, could this be the center support bearings or universal joints 
or what?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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How is the transmission, otherwise? I chased a problem like this on a 
1986 Chevy Suburban. We did all sorts of things but finally had to 
rebuild the transmission in order to rid the vehicle of the vibration.


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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's a good start point, and usually the solution. Start with simple / cheap 
known wear items.

Are the boots on the half axles still intact? If they've failed, time to 
replace those.

The U-joints can get stiff / notchy with time, and I understand a good mechanic 
can feel the movement when they are off the car, and ID a bad u-joint.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 11, 2019 2:39:11 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes :

> I'd put my money on center support bearing and carrier.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:27 PM ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Time to consult the brain trust. I've been getting my 1980 300SD
> > revitalized and back into driving condition. Almost everything is done,
> > except, it still has a vibration somewhere in the drive train when
> > accelerating. It starts at around 40mph. My Indie replaced the rear flex
> > disk which reduced the vibration some, but not all. When you are coasting
> > or take your foot off the accelerator, the vibration stops. This seems to
> > rule out wheel bearings and axles, etc. So, could this be the center
> > support bearings or universal joints or what?
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
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> > Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Once you've experienced it, driveline vibration is much higher pitched
than wheel-related noise.  (Due to the gear ratio in the differential.)  Seems
to me that it would be unlikely to be the center bearing, but it could be the
front flex disc or the center support bushing.  Or, the U-joint.  Of course,
one replaces the bearing too once you have it all apart.  It could be possible
that the slip joint is loose.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I'd put my money on center support bearing and carrier.

Jaime


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:27 PM ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Time to consult the brain trust.  I've been getting my 1980 300SD
> revitalized and back into driving condition.  Almost everything is done,
> except, it still has a vibration somewhere in the drive train when
> accelerating.  It starts at around 40mph.  My Indie replaced the rear flex
> disk which reduced the vibration some, but not all.  When you are coasting
> or take your foot off the accelerator, the vibration stops.  This seems to
> rule out wheel bearings and axles, etc.  So, could this be the center
> support bearings or universal joints or what?
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
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> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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[MBZ] 1980 300SD Drive train vibration

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Time to consult the brain trust.  I've been getting my 1980 300SD revitalized 
and back into driving condition.  Almost everything is done, except, it still 
has a vibration somewhere in the drive train when accelerating.  It starts at 
around 40mph.  My Indie replaced the rear flex disk which reduced the vibration 
some, but not all.  When you are coasting or take your foot off the 
accelerator, the vibration stops.  This seems to rule out wheel bearings and 
axles, etc.  So, could this be the center support bearings or universal joints 
or what?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice!   Chuck Landenberger, (RIP) formerly of Greater Washington, 
Hawaii, then Phoenix sections of MBCA loved his 300SD 116 "Panzerwagen"


Chuck's was very nice too.   The evil crypsler acc always scared me 
away.   But I spent a lot on the SDL ACC too.   I despise MBNA/MomBUSA 
for forcing ACC on us when a nice set of 4 cable controls will do 
better/longer.   (Just a mkt bowtie gimmick)


ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote on 10/23/19 9:36 AM:

Hi guys, my wife thought you might enjoy this short video of her 1980 300SD.

Enjoy,

Roger





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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Just to clarify, the 1980 300SD is a 116 and not a 126.  Although, mine does 
have 126 front brakes.  It was made towards the end of the model year and I 
guess they just switched in 126 brake parts.  It fooled my Indies the first 
time they did the front brakes. 
Best Wishes,
Roger
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks,Roger. Really nice w126.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hi guys, my wife thought you might enjoy this short video of her 1980
> 300SD.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Great story. Sounds like a very good classic that gets loved and used. 

If you want to adopt me...

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> On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:08 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew, we've owned this car since about 1996.  It was originally purchased 
> by a lady doctor when new and she kept it meaning to give it to one of her 
> kids...but they didn't want it.  Anyway, right before we got it from a small 
> car lot, she had had it to the local MB dealership in Atlanta for a complete 
> service (around $900 in 1996).  We've taken it on numerous trips and my wife 
> drove it daily to work for many years.  Now that we are retired, it has been 
> sitting mostly for the past several years.  I'm getting ready to reactivate 
> it with new brake lines, hoses, belts, valve adjustment just to start.  
> Later, I plan a complete front suspension work, a new AC kit, and new rear 
> axles.  It will cost a little, but the car is still great inside (had the 
> leather seats and pads replaced after we got it) and the body is solid.  I 
> replaced the transmission 2 years ago with one that had 95,000 miles on it.  
> The engine starts quickly and it has great power.  I installed new tires last 
> year.  It's a great road trip car and the mileage is good (28-30mpg).  As I 
> tell people, it's just getting broke in.  I could see it going to a million.
> 
> Thanks for asking and pardon my long reply.
> 
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Andrew, we've owned this car since about 1996.  It was originally purchased by 
a lady doctor when new and she kept it meaning to give it to one of her 
kids...but they didn't want it.  Anyway, right before we got it from a small 
car lot, she had had it to the local MB dealership in Atlanta for a complete 
service (around $900 in 1996).  We've taken it on numerous trips and my wife 
drove it daily to work for many years.  Now that we are retired, it has been 
sitting mostly for the past several years.  I'm getting ready to reactivate it 
with new brake lines, hoses, belts, valve adjustment just to start.  Later, I 
plan a complete front suspension work, a new AC kit, and new rear axles.  It 
will cost a little, but the car is still great inside (had the leather seats 
and pads replaced after we got it) and the body is solid.  I replaced the 
transmission 2 years ago with one that had 95,000 miles on it.  The engine 
starts quickly and it has great power.  I installed new tires last year.  It's 
a great road trip car and the mileage is good (28-30mpg).  As I tell people, 
it's just getting broke in.  I could see it going to a million.

Thanks for asking and pardon my long reply.

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Where and how did you accumulate 420k miles?

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> Thanks for the kind words on my wife's car.  I'm getting ready to do some
> much needed normal maintenance.  And no Andrew, it would take a lot more
> than $500.  It only has around 420,000 miles and on dino oil no less.
> Thanks again,
> Roger
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Thanks for the kind words on my wife's car.  I'm getting ready to do some much 
needed normal maintenance.  And no Andrew, it would take a lot more than $500.  
It only has around 420,000 miles and on dino oil no less.
Thanks again,
Roger
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Selling it for > $500?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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> I sure did enjoy it. What a beautiful car!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:36 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys, my wife thought you might enjoy this short video of her 1980
> 300SD.
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I sure did enjoy it. What a beautiful car!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:36 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys, my wife thought you might enjoy this short video of her 1980 300SD. 
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] 1980 300SD

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Hi guys, my wife thought you might enjoy this short video of her 1980 300SD. 

Enjoy,

Roger



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be



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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Beautiful car!

--FT

On 10/23/19 10:36 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

Hi guys, my wife thought you might enjoy this short video of her 1980 300SD.

Enjoy,

Roger



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnBWazhKWo=youtu.be



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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s part of the deal, Max. It’s been almost 20 years since I’ve touched a 
W110/111/112, and I wanted something I could dive into that would let me go 
through just about everything without a major expense. Certainly, I’ve dropped 
more than I paid into it at this point, not including my labor, but I’ve also 
learned a great deal about the chassis and restored some of the knowledge I had 
previously.

I don’t think I’m upside down on it yet, but by the time I’m done I’ll be at or 
near the break even point, I’m sure. If the market is up it might make sense to 
pass it along and find another nicer example with the proceeds. If not, no 
harm, no foul, it will have a place here in the garage for sure.

I don’t know about you guys, but after a while I’ll get bored with stuff and 
want something new to do. As long as I can find other things to direct my 
energies at I’m good.

-D


> On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:04 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well thanks for letting us enjoy the ride with you!
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> On April 28, 2019 8:01:05 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Nope. Far too much to be done. I was hoping that I might use this car
>> to “crowbar” up to a nicer example, but as I watch the market it seems
>> unlikely that will be an option. Of course, people are paying stupid
>> money for this sort of thing on BAT, but I’m not convinced it would
>> work in my favor.
>> 
>> When I get it nearly done I’ll probably run it by them to see if
>> they’re interested and what sort of reserve they would want on it.
>> Again, I really doubt it would be worth it. If I could get north of
>> $12K I might consider it, but I really doubt they would price it at
>> that level. It’s a great car, and while it does have it’s warts, it’s a
>> solid example and even more so with all the work I’ve put into it.
>> 
>> I could swing another car around here if I wanted to. I’ve got a buddy
>> who lives a few blocks away that’s TDY in Monterey for two years
>> starting in May, so I have free storage if I need/want it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, the Finnie will either make an appearance soon on BaT, or  ?
>>> -- 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> On April 28, 2019 4:49:19 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
 
 Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this
 for a possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little.
>> Roll
 up windows!
 
 
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
 
 -D
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. Far too much to be done. I was hoping that I might use this car to 
“crowbar” up to a nicer example, but as I watch the market it seems unlikely 
that will be an option. Of course, people are paying stupid money for this sort 
of thing on BAT, but I’m not convinced it would work in my favor.

When I get it nearly done I’ll probably run it by them to see if they’re 
interested and what sort of reserve they would want on it. Again, I really 
doubt it would be worth it. If I could get north of $12K I might consider it, 
but I really doubt they would price it at that level. It’s a great car, and 
while it does have it’s warts, it’s a solid example and even more so with all 
the work I’ve put into it.

I could swing another car around here if I wanted to. I’ve got a buddy who 
lives a few blocks away that’s TDY in Monterey for two years starting in May, 
so I have free storage if I need/want it.

-D


> On Apr 28, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So, the Finnie will either make an appearance soon on BaT, or  ?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> On April 28, 2019 4:49:19 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this
>> for a possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little. Roll
>> up windows!
>> 
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well thanks for letting us enjoy the ride with you!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On April 28, 2019 8:01:05 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Nope. Far too much to be done. I was hoping that I might use this car
>to “crowbar” up to a nicer example, but as I watch the market it seems
>unlikely that will be an option. Of course, people are paying stupid
>money for this sort of thing on BAT, but I’m not convinced it would
>work in my favor.
>
>When I get it nearly done I’ll probably run it by them to see if
>they’re interested and what sort of reserve they would want on it.
>Again, I really doubt it would be worth it. If I could get north of
>$12K I might consider it, but I really doubt they would price it at
>that level. It’s a great car, and while it does have it’s warts, it’s a
>solid example and even more so with all the work I’ve put into it.
>
>I could swing another car around here if I wanted to. I’ve got a buddy
>who lives a few blocks away that’s TDY in Monterey for two years
>starting in May, so I have free storage if I need/want it.
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> So, the Finnie will either make an appearance soon on BaT, or  ?
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On April 28, 2019 4:49:19 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this
>>> for a possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little.
>Roll
>>> up windows!
>>> 
>>>
>https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

So, the Finnie will either make an appearance soon on BaT, or  ?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On April 28, 2019 4:49:19 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this
>for a possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little. Roll
>up windows!
>
>https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
>
>-D
>

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 4/28/19 3:49 PM:


Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this for a 
possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little. Roll up windows!

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html

-D

  




Ok, send the 220SE up here.   I'll take care of it!

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Tough to do with the drive shaft out of it….

-D


> On Apr 28, 2019, at 7:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 4/28/19 3:49 PM:
>> 
>> Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this for a 
>> possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little. Roll up windows!
>> 
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>  
> 
> 
> Ok, send the 220SE up here.   I'll take care of it!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My first 240D had that color interior.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 5:25 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I’m a sucker for this color combination. Always been a favorite of mine.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 28, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > Looks tempting, Dan.. I miss my 240D's.
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Dash appeared to be a really dark brown, much like the dash in my
> finnie. It wasn’t black.
> >
> > Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this for
> a possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little. Roll up
> windows!
> >
> >
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
> <
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
> >
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m a sucker for this color combination. Always been a favorite of mine.

-D

> On Apr 28, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Looks tempting, Dan.. I miss my 240D's.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Dash appeared to be a really dark brown, much like the dash in my finnie. It 
> wasn’t black.
> 
> Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this for a 
> possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little. Roll up windows!
> 
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
>  
> 
> 
> -D
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Looks tempting, Dan.. I miss my 240D's.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dash appeared to be a really dark brown, much like the dash in my finnie.
> It wasn’t black.
>
> Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this for a
> possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little. Roll up
> windows!
>
>
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > Good report Dan. So what color is the dash?
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 4:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > I looked at it.
> >
> > Not my kind of car, although I would say it has good bones. If I had a
> place to park it and just tinker with it over time I would have dropped the
> $1300 for it. A repaint, but a good one. Minor rust in the left rear fender
> behind the wheel in the usual place. A little bit of rust on the rocker on
> the right front. Paint is solid and would probably polish up nicely.
> Whoever did the repaint did a good job - no signs of overspray or masking.
> >
> > Car drives straight and true, transmission shifts properly. Nearly no
> boost to speak of, but the owner says they removed the air cleaner to check
> the turbo and it spins freely. They obviously don’t know these cars, as the
> line to the ALDA is clearly clogged up from the looks of things. I didn’t
> remove it, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that it just needs the ALDA
> line cleaned out to get turbo operation again. ALDA is still sealed.
> >
> > The engine and other bits appear to be untouched, that is, nearly
> everything appears to be original or if replaced, done so with the correct
> stuff.
> >
> > Interior is tired.
> >
> > Servo/ACC is non-operational. Servo appears to be the original and shows
> signs of leaking. Dash wood is tired/cracked. Windows work. Cruise is
> non-operational (surprise!!!)
> >
> > Rear window is delaminating. Anodized aluminum trim around the
> windshield is missing, owner says it just flew off one day when he was
> going down the highway. The right headlight door is screwed to the
> headlight assembly.
> >
> > Chrome is solid and intact, no damage to speak of. Rubber strips on the
> bumpers is intact and solid. Belt trim is intact and solid, with the small
> pieces just behind the rear door missing on both sides. Anodized aluminum
> is in good condition and not cloudy, which was surprising considering how
> badly the upholstery is toasted.
> >
> > Dash is cracked, upholstery is toasted in the expected places from
> exposure to the sun. Tachometer is intermittent (another surprise!) but the
> tach amp is intact and appears to be original. I pulled it and plugged it
> back in and it started working.
> >
> > Good temperature drop across the radiator, about 30 degrees or so
> between inlet and outlet at operating temperature. Same with the oil
> cooler. Solid oil pressure.
> >
> > I didn’t get under it but took a few pictures and the undercarriage
> appears to be clean and unrusted for the most part.
> >
> > Can’t think of anything else.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 28, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Buy ANY Mercedes in that shade of red (mittlerot).
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:58 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >> PS center console looks correct.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I
> > >> noticed the center console was a different color from the rest of the
> > >> interior. What does the collective list think?
> > >>>
> > >>> I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan
> sitting
> > >> on the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> Hmm.
> > >>>
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dash appeared to be a really dark brown, much like the dash in my finnie. It 
wasn’t black.

Dang it, now I’ve got the “new car” bug. Poop. Going to look at this for a 
possible acquisition if I could get the price down a little. Roll up windows!

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/bradenton-1983-mercedes-240d/6873520141.html

-D

 
> On Apr 28, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Good report Dan. So what color is the dash?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 4:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> I looked at it.
> 
> Not my kind of car, although I would say it has good bones. If I had a place 
> to park it and just tinker with it over time I would have dropped the $1300 
> for it. A repaint, but a good one. Minor rust in the left rear fender behind 
> the wheel in the usual place. A little bit of rust on the rocker on the right 
> front. Paint is solid and would probably polish up nicely. Whoever did the 
> repaint did a good job - no signs of overspray or masking.
> 
> Car drives straight and true, transmission shifts properly. Nearly no boost 
> to speak of, but the owner says they removed the air cleaner to check the 
> turbo and it spins freely. They obviously don’t know these cars, as the line 
> to the ALDA is clearly clogged up from the looks of things. I didn’t remove 
> it, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that it just needs the ALDA line 
> cleaned out to get turbo operation again. ALDA is still sealed.
> 
> The engine and other bits appear to be untouched, that is, nearly everything 
> appears to be original or if replaced, done so with the correct stuff.
> 
> Interior is tired.
> 
> Servo/ACC is non-operational. Servo appears to be the original and shows 
> signs of leaking. Dash wood is tired/cracked. Windows work. Cruise is 
> non-operational (surprise!!!)
> 
> Rear window is delaminating. Anodized aluminum trim around the windshield is 
> missing, owner says it just flew off one day when he was going down the 
> highway. The right headlight door is screwed to the headlight assembly.
> 
> Chrome is solid and intact, no damage to speak of. Rubber strips on the 
> bumpers is intact and solid. Belt trim is intact and solid, with the small 
> pieces just behind the rear door missing on both sides. Anodized aluminum is 
> in good condition and not cloudy, which was surprising considering how badly 
> the upholstery is toasted.
> 
> Dash is cracked, upholstery is toasted in the expected places from exposure 
> to the sun. Tachometer is intermittent (another surprise!) but the tach amp 
> is intact and appears to be original. I pulled it and plugged it back in and 
> it started working.
> 
> Good temperature drop across the radiator, about 30 degrees or so between 
> inlet and outlet at operating temperature. Same with the oil cooler. Solid 
> oil pressure.
> 
> I didn’t get under it but took a few pictures and the undercarriage appears 
> to be clean and unrusted for the most part.
> 
> Can’t think of anything else.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> > On Apr 28, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Buy ANY Mercedes in that shade of red (mittlerot).
> > 
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:58 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > 
> >> PS center console looks correct.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I
> >> noticed the center console was a different color from the rest of the
> >> interior. What does the collective list think?
> >>> 
> >>> I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan sitting
> >> on the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
> >>  
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> Hmm.
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Good report Dan. So what color is the dash?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 4:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I looked at it.
>
> Not my kind of car, although I would say it has good bones. If I had a
> place to park it and just tinker with it over time I would have dropped the
> $1300 for it. A repaint, but a good one. Minor rust in the left rear fender
> behind the wheel in the usual place. A little bit of rust on the rocker on
> the right front. Paint is solid and would probably polish up nicely.
> Whoever did the repaint did a good job - no signs of overspray or masking.
>
> Car drives straight and true, transmission shifts properly. Nearly no
> boost to speak of, but the owner says they removed the air cleaner to check
> the turbo and it spins freely. They obviously don’t know these cars, as the
> line to the ALDA is clearly clogged up from the looks of things. I didn’t
> remove it, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that it just needs the ALDA
> line cleaned out to get turbo operation again. ALDA is still sealed.
>
> The engine and other bits appear to be untouched, that is, nearly
> everything appears to be original or if replaced, done so with the correct
> stuff.
>
> Interior is tired.
>
> Servo/ACC is non-operational. Servo appears to be the original and shows
> signs of leaking. Dash wood is tired/cracked. Windows work. Cruise is
> non-operational (surprise!!!)
>
> Rear window is delaminating. Anodized aluminum trim around the windshield
> is missing, owner says it just flew off one day when he was going down the
> highway. The right headlight door is screwed to the headlight assembly.
>
> Chrome is solid and intact, no damage to speak of. Rubber strips on the
> bumpers is intact and solid. Belt trim is intact and solid, with the small
> pieces just behind the rear door missing on both sides. Anodized aluminum
> is in good condition and not cloudy, which was surprising considering how
> badly the upholstery is toasted.
>
> Dash is cracked, upholstery is toasted in the expected places from
> exposure to the sun. Tachometer is intermittent (another surprise!) but the
> tach amp is intact and appears to be original. I pulled it and plugged it
> back in and it started working.
>
> Good temperature drop across the radiator, about 30 degrees or so between
> inlet and outlet at operating temperature. Same with the oil cooler. Solid
> oil pressure.
>
> I didn’t get under it but took a few pictures and the undercarriage
> appears to be clean and unrusted for the most part.
>
> Can’t think of anything else.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Buy ANY Mercedes in that shade of red (mittlerot).
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:58 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> PS center console looks correct.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I
> >> noticed the center console was a different color from the rest of the
> >> interior. What does the collective list think?
> >>>
> >>> I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan
> sitting
> >> on the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
> >>>
> >>> Hmm.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Very convincing. If you could get a donor interior, it might be worth some
trouble.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 4:22 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Here are the pictures if you want to look at them:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v0spzj6h970gq5d/AACwHPwBDixFtF9Egb4UzrIOa?dl=0
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I looked at it.
> >
> > Not my kind of car, although I would say it has good bones. If I had a
> place to park it and just tinker with it over time I would have dropped the
> $1300 for it. A repaint, but a good one. Minor rust in the left rear fender
> behind the wheel in the usual place. A little bit of rust on the rocker on
> the right front. Paint is solid and would probably polish up nicely.
> Whoever did the repaint did a good job - no signs of overspray or masking.
> >
> > Car drives straight and true, transmission shifts properly. Nearly no
> boost to speak of, but the owner says they removed the air cleaner to check
> the turbo and it spins freely. They obviously don’t know these cars, as the
> line to the ALDA is clearly clogged up from the looks of things. I didn’t
> remove it, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that it just needs the ALDA
> line cleaned out to get turbo operation again. ALDA is still sealed.
> >
> > The engine and other bits appear to be untouched, that is, nearly
> everything appears to be original or if replaced, done so with the correct
> stuff.
> >
> > Interior is tired.
> >
> > Servo/ACC is non-operational. Servo appears to be the original and shows
> signs of leaking. Dash wood is tired/cracked. Windows work. Cruise is
> non-operational (surprise!!!)
> >
> > Rear window is delaminating. Anodized aluminum trim around the
> windshield is missing, owner says it just flew off one day when he was
> going down the highway. The right headlight door is screwed to the
> headlight assembly.
> >
> > Chrome is solid and intact, no damage to speak of. Rubber strips on the
> bumpers is intact and solid. Belt trim is intact and solid, with the small
> pieces just behind the rear door missing on both sides. Anodized aluminum
> is in good condition and not cloudy, which was surprising considering how
> badly the upholstery is toasted.
> >
> > Dash is cracked, upholstery is toasted in the expected places from
> exposure to the sun. Tachometer is intermittent (another surprise!) but the
> tach amp is intact and appears to be original. I pulled it and plugged it
> back in and it started working.
> >
> > Good temperature drop across the radiator, about 30 degrees or so
> between inlet and outlet at operating temperature. Same with the oil
> cooler. Solid oil pressure.
> >
> > I didn’t get under it but took a few pictures and the undercarriage
> appears to be clean and unrusted for the most part.
> >
> > Can’t think of anything else.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 28, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Buy ANY Mercedes in that shade of red (mittlerot).
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:58 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> PS center console looks correct.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I
> >>> noticed the center console was a different color from the rest of the
> >>> interior. What does the collective list think?
> 
>  I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan
> sitting
> >>> on the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
> 
> 
> >>>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
> 
>  Hmm.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here are the pictures if you want to look at them:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v0spzj6h970gq5d/AACwHPwBDixFtF9Egb4UzrIOa?dl=0

-D



> On Apr 28, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I looked at it.
> 
> Not my kind of car, although I would say it has good bones. If I had a place 
> to park it and just tinker with it over time I would have dropped the $1300 
> for it. A repaint, but a good one. Minor rust in the left rear fender behind 
> the wheel in the usual place. A little bit of rust on the rocker on the right 
> front. Paint is solid and would probably polish up nicely. Whoever did the 
> repaint did a good job - no signs of overspray or masking.
> 
> Car drives straight and true, transmission shifts properly. Nearly no boost 
> to speak of, but the owner says they removed the air cleaner to check the 
> turbo and it spins freely. They obviously don’t know these cars, as the line 
> to the ALDA is clearly clogged up from the looks of things. I didn’t remove 
> it, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that it just needs the ALDA line 
> cleaned out to get turbo operation again. ALDA is still sealed.
> 
> The engine and other bits appear to be untouched, that is, nearly everything 
> appears to be original or if replaced, done so with the correct stuff.
> 
> Interior is tired.
> 
> Servo/ACC is non-operational. Servo appears to be the original and shows 
> signs of leaking. Dash wood is tired/cracked. Windows work. Cruise is 
> non-operational (surprise!!!)
> 
> Rear window is delaminating. Anodized aluminum trim around the windshield is 
> missing, owner says it just flew off one day when he was going down the 
> highway. The right headlight door is screwed to the headlight assembly.
> 
> Chrome is solid and intact, no damage to speak of. Rubber strips on the 
> bumpers is intact and solid. Belt trim is intact and solid, with the small 
> pieces just behind the rear door missing on both sides. Anodized aluminum is 
> in good condition and not cloudy, which was surprising considering how badly 
> the upholstery is toasted.
> 
> Dash is cracked, upholstery is toasted in the expected places from exposure 
> to the sun. Tachometer is intermittent (another surprise!) but the tach amp 
> is intact and appears to be original. I pulled it and plugged it back in and 
> it started working.
> 
> Good temperature drop across the radiator, about 30 degrees or so between 
> inlet and outlet at operating temperature. Same with the oil cooler. Solid 
> oil pressure.
> 
> I didn’t get under it but took a few pictures and the undercarriage appears 
> to be clean and unrusted for the most part.
> 
> Can’t think of anything else.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Buy ANY Mercedes in that shade of red (mittlerot).
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:58 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> PS center console looks correct.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I
>>> noticed the center console was a different color from the rest of the
>>> interior. What does the collective list think?
 
 I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan sitting
>>> on the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
 
 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
 
 Hmm.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I looked at it.

Not my kind of car, although I would say it has good bones. If I had a place to 
park it and just tinker with it over time I would have dropped the $1300 for 
it. A repaint, but a good one. Minor rust in the left rear fender behind the 
wheel in the usual place. A little bit of rust on the rocker on the right 
front. Paint is solid and would probably polish up nicely. Whoever did the 
repaint did a good job - no signs of overspray or masking.

Car drives straight and true, transmission shifts properly. Nearly no boost to 
speak of, but the owner says they removed the air cleaner to check the turbo 
and it spins freely. They obviously don’t know these cars, as the line to the 
ALDA is clearly clogged up from the looks of things. I didn’t remove it, but I 
would bet dollars to doughnuts that it just needs the ALDA line cleaned out to 
get turbo operation again. ALDA is still sealed.

The engine and other bits appear to be untouched, that is, nearly everything 
appears to be original or if replaced, done so with the correct stuff.

Interior is tired.

Servo/ACC is non-operational. Servo appears to be the original and shows signs 
of leaking. Dash wood is tired/cracked. Windows work. Cruise is non-operational 
(surprise!!!)

Rear window is delaminating. Anodized aluminum trim around the windshield is 
missing, owner says it just flew off one day when he was going down the 
highway. The right headlight door is screwed to the headlight assembly.

Chrome is solid and intact, no damage to speak of. Rubber strips on the bumpers 
is intact and solid. Belt trim is intact and solid, with the small pieces just 
behind the rear door missing on both sides. Anodized aluminum is in good 
condition and not cloudy, which was surprising considering how badly the 
upholstery is toasted.

Dash is cracked, upholstery is toasted in the expected places from exposure to 
the sun. Tachometer is intermittent (another surprise!) but the tach amp is 
intact and appears to be original. I pulled it and plugged it back in and it 
started working.

Good temperature drop across the radiator, about 30 degrees or so between inlet 
and outlet at operating temperature. Same with the oil cooler. Solid oil 
pressure.

I didn’t get under it but took a few pictures and the undercarriage appears to 
be clean and unrusted for the most part.

Can’t think of anything else.

-D



> On Apr 28, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Buy ANY Mercedes in that shade of red (mittlerot).
> 
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:58 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> PS center console looks correct.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I
>> noticed the center console was a different color from the rest of the
>> interior. What does the collective list think?
>>> 
>>> I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan sitting
>> on the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
>>> 
>>> Hmm.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Buy ANY Mercedes in that shade of red (mittlerot).

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:58 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> PS center console looks correct.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I
> noticed the center console was a different color from the rest of the
> interior. What does the collective list think?
> >
> > I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan sitting
> on the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
> >
> > Hmm.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I would be all over that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I noticed the 
> center console was a different color from the rest of the interior. What does 
> the collective list think?
> 
> I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan sitting on 
> the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
> 
> Hmm.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

PS center console looks correct. 


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> On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I noticed the 
> center console was a different color from the rest of the interior. What does 
> the collective list think?
> 
> I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan sitting on 
> the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
> 
> Hmm.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Still  the issue of blue dash & brown seats.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 11:23 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's what I think, looks like correct color to me.  Very nice price!
>
> However, I see a dent in the front grill, drivers side.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 9:36 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't the console match the dash?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's what I think, looks like correct color to me.  Very nice price!

However, I see a dent in the front grill, drivers side.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Doesn't the console match the dash?
>
>
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[MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Dan,

   I would go for it before someone else.  The car looks great.  The servo 
is a 1/2 hour replacement.  If the fan is bad, it's an easy replacement via the 
glove box.  Check the front suspension and the rear axles.  It might need a 
valve adjustment.  If the power is low, it's probably filters or the overboost 
switch gets carboned up.  My 80 300SD has over 425,000 miles and will still 
crank up and run although it spends most of its time in the garage these days.  
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to email me.

Good luck and best wishes,

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Gopher it

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> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Good point. Hadn’t thought about that.
> 
> Guess I’ll give them a call. Thanks!
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dwight is correct. The center console on a w116 matches dash so that console 
>> is original.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks more than twice as good as the one I paid $550 for in 2002.
>>> 
 On April 28, 2019 at 9:30 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good point. Hadn’t thought about that.

Guess I’ll give them a call. Thanks!

-D


> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dwight is correct. The center console on a w116 matches dash so that console 
> is original.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks more than twice as good as the one I paid $550 for in 2002.
>> 
>>> On April 28, 2019 at 9:30 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Dwight is correct. The center console on a w116 matches dash so that console is 
original.

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> wrote:
> 
> Looks more than twice as good as the one I paid $550 for in 2002.
> 
>> On April 28, 2019 at 9:30 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Looks more than twice as good as the one I paid $550 for in 2002.

> On April 28, 2019 at 9:30 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Doesn't the console match the dash?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 9:31 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I noticed
> the center console was a different color from the rest of the interior.
> What does the collective list think?
>
> I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan sitting
> on the floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.
>
>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html
>
> Hmm.
>
>
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[MBZ] 1980 300SD W116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was thinking about calling the seller on this car today until I noticed the 
center console was a different color from the rest of the interior. What does 
the collective list think?

I’m guessing the ACC servo is bad, too, as there is a little fan sitting on the 
floor of the passenger side….nice color, though.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/lutz-1980-mercedes-300sd/6875922914.html

Hmm.


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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Throttle linkage:

http://handbook.w116.org/Engine%5C617%5C30-300.pdf

I suspect the best place for transmission throttle rod and vacuum information is
that 1978 mechanic's introduction to 116.120 book that's somewhere at my
parents' house, but if I could find the right transmission .pdf it should be
there too.

Anybody remember the exact designation for the 116.120's transmission?
There should be a repair manual for it. 

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The other two links were meant only to illustrate the operation of the
switchover valve, not to imply your SD setup.

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> 
> Scott,
> Thanks for the diagrams, but still no joy. The first one is somewhat
close, but
> instead of the vac switch on top of the valve cover, mine has linkage rods
that
> must be adjusted just right. These coordinate the throttle pedal with the
IP
> and the rod to the tranny. Again, it's strange to have this early setup on
a car
> that was made in 5-1980 at the end of the model year production. I think
MB
> was cleaning out the warehouse and I ended up with a hybrid. As I've said
> before, it also has 126 front calipers and rotors, but the rears are
116...go
> figure.
> Thanks again,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Roger,  My '79 TD had the rod arrangement but (not being a turbo) there was
no vacuum circuit for the transmission. 

I have a paper 917.95 engine service manual that may have some clues (or
maybe not).  I found this vacuum diagram for a non EGR setup that may (or
may not) reflect your setup:  <http://pt709.synology.me/0.7.1.8-150_3.jpg> 

I think the valve/cam-plate thing (on the right) is the vacuum engine stop
circuit in the key switch.  The vacuum control valve appears to have 3
ports.  

That is quite different from the setup on my '82 SD where the vacuum control
valve only has two ports, the restrictor is external, and the transmission
vacuum modulator is on the left.  On my 82 SD vacuum to the transmission is
totally independent from the switchover valves (which only effect EGR).  

This next diagram:  <http://pt709.synology.me/14.8-050_8.jpg> illustrates
the function of the switchover valve in the extended and depressed positions
and this diagram: <http://pt709.synology.me/14.8-050_4.jpg> shows the
internal workings of that valve.

The way I read the diagram, the tranny vacuum modulator gets full vacuum at
idle/low power but that vacuum gets modulated by the vacuum control valve at
higher power settings.

Of course, your '80 SD could be entirely different

Scott

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> 
> Scott,
> My car has the rod to the tranny and not the cable. Again, per Mark at Sun
> Valley, it's an "early, simplified" version. The switches on top of the
valve
> cover are tied to both the IP and the EGR circuit, so I don't think you
could
> bypass them. My car does not have the EGR, but my 1983 300D does and it
> also has the same vac diagram as it appears in the 1980 MB Service Manual.
> But my setup is NOT diagrammed in that manual. I have a call into the
local
> MB dealership to see if they have a correct diagram for my car. As best I
can
> determine from a good bit of good input, it is probably the green
restrictor in
> the line going to the IP modulator valve or the IP modulator valve itself.
I
> hope its the restrictor as the IP modulator valve will be almost
impossible to
> find for this car.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Scott, 
Thanks for the diagrams, but still no joy. The first one is somewhat close, but 
instead of the vac switch on top of the valve cover, mine has linkage rods that 
must be adjusted just right. These coordinate the throttle pedal with the IP 
and the rod to the tranny. Again, it's strange to have this early setup on a 
car that was made in 5-1980 at the end of the model year production. I think MB 
was cleaning out the warehouse and I ended up with a hybrid. As I've said 
before, it also has 126 front calipers and rotors, but the rears are 116...go 
figure. 
Thanks again, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Make that 617.95.

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> Cc: Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem
> 
> Roger,  My '79 TD had the rod arrangement but (not being a turbo) there
was
> no vacuum circuit for the transmission.
> 
> I have a paper 917.95 engine service manual that may have some clues (or
> maybe not).  I found this vacuum diagram for a non EGR setup that may (or
> may not) reflect your setup:  <http://pt709.synology.me/0.7.1.8-150_3.jpg>
> 
> I think the valve/cam-plate thing (on the right) is the vacuum engine stop
> circuit in the key switch.  The vacuum control valve appears to have 3
ports.
> 
> That is quite different from the setup on my '82 SD where the vacuum
control
> valve only has two ports, the restrictor is external, and the transmission
> vacuum modulator is on the left.  On my 82 SD vacuum to the transmission
is
> totally independent from the switchover valves (which only effect EGR).
> 
> This next diagram:  <http://pt709.synology.me/14.8-050_8.jpg> illustrates
the
> function of the switchover valve in the extended and depressed positions
and
> this diagram: <http://pt709.synology.me/14.8-050_4.jpg> shows the internal
> workings of that valve.
> 
> The way I read the diagram, the tranny vacuum modulator gets full vacuum
at
> idle/low power but that vacuum gets modulated by the vacuum control valve
> at higher power settings.
> 
> Of course, your '80 SD could be entirely different
> 
> Scott
> 
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> > Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem
> >
> > Scott,
> > My car has the rod to the tranny and not the cable. Again, per Mark at
> > Sun Valley, it's an "early, simplified" version. The switches on top
> > of the
> valve
> > cover are tied to both the IP and the EGR circuit, so I don't think
> > you
> could
> > bypass them. My car does not have the EGR, but my 1983 300D does and
> > it also has the same vac diagram as it appears in the 1980 MB Service
> Manual.
> > But my setup is NOT diagrammed in that manual. I have a call into the
> local
> > MB dealership to see if they have a correct diagram for my car. As
> > best I
> can
> > determine from a good bit of good input, it is probably the green
> restrictor in
> > the line going to the IP modulator valve or the IP modulator valve
itself.
> I
> > hope its the restrictor as the IP modulator valve will be almost
> impossible to
> > find for this car.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curly, 
Yes, Mark and others have advised me that the tranny is getting too much vacuum 
to shift properly. And it seems the most obvious culprit is the vacuum 
modulator on top of the IP, but I won't know for positive until I can get the 
vacuum checked. I hope it's not as the last time it went, the MB dealership had 
to order the correct one from Germany. No, my setup doesn't even have the 
little plastic vacuum switches on top of the valve cover, although my 1983 300D 
does have that setup. The 1980 was an odd car, different vacuum setup, 
different glow plug relay, the old servo on the climate control, etc. etc. It 
is a great car to drive. Rides and handles fantastic. And it has lasted, except 
for the tranny, it is all original down to the exhaust system with around 
425,000 miles using the cursed dino oil :- 
Thanks again, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

If memory serves, the switches on top of the valve cover and thermo valve
are only for the EGR.  You are better off without EGR (unless you are an
urban tree hugger) and many owners have disabled the EGR by various means
for that reason.  The vacuum line to the gizmo on the IP should have a
restrictor in it. Make sure that is there.  There are restrictor various
sizes (color coded) to tweak shift performance.  The gizmo on the IP is a
variable vent that bleeds off more vacuum at higher throttle.  The idea is
to simulate manifold vacuum of a gasoline engine (lots of vac at idle and
almost none at full throttle).  The modulator valve on the tranny is also
adjustable but get the vacuum right first.  Does yours also have a
mechanical cable from the accelerator linkages to the transmission (probably
a cable)?  That cable adjustment sets the shift points and can also cause
problems.  With older transmissions, considerable adjusting may be needed
for smooth shifts.

Scott 

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> 
> So...an update. It seems that my 1980 300SD has a "simplified, early
> version" vacuum setup for that model year. I have the 1980 MB service
> manual and the vacuum diagram does NOT match. I spoke with Mark again at
> Sun Valley and he advised me that my setup is the simplified, early
> version. To clarify, it does NOT have: an EGR, a thermo-vacuum valve on
> the thermostat housing, vacuum switches on top of the valve cover, an
> extra "Y" between the vacuum pump and the vacuum modulator on top of the
> IP. So, tomorrow I'm going to get a vacuum gauge and install to start
> testing the vacuum per Mark. He says my setup is more simple than the
> later versions, but the amount of vacuum should still be the same. It's
> odd that my car has an earlier version when it was made in May 1980
> towards the end of the model production. In fact it has 126 calipers and
> rotors on the front. The vac diagram in the 1980 service manual shows the
> setup that appears on my 1983 300D and I think on the 126 models. I guess
> MB was mixing and matching to complete the 1980 300SD model production
> for the 116 series and already into the 1981 300SD 126 series production.
> I imagine they assumed the dealerships could figure it out even though
> they produced an incomplete service manual.
> If anyone has a correct diagram or can provide additional info, please
> let me know. The tranny still shifts better (stiffer with no flare or
> slip) if I just disconnect the line to the transmission vacuum modulator
> and plug it off. I'm told I can run it that way without harming anything
> and it's better for the tranny to shift too firm than to slip which harms
> the clutches.
> Thanks again and best wishes to all,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Scott, 
My car has the rod to the tranny and not the cable. Again, per Mark at Sun 
Valley, it's an "early, simplified" version. The switches on top of the valve 
cover are tied to both the IP and the EGR circuit, so I don't think you could 
bypass them. My car does not have the EGR, but my 1983 300D does and it also 
has the same vac diagram as it appears in the 1980 MB Service Manual. But my 
setup is NOT diagrammed in that manual. I have a call into the local MB 
dealership to see if they have a correct diagram for my car. As best I can 
determine from a good bit of good input, it is probably the green restrictor in 
the line going to the IP modulator valve or the IP modulator valve itself. I 
hope its the restrictor as the IP modulator valve will be almost impossible to 
find for this car. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
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[MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

So...an update. It seems that my 1980 300SD has a "simplified, early version" 
vacuum setup for that model year. I have the 1980 MB service manual and the 
vacuum diagram does NOT match. I spoke with Mark again at Sun Valley and he 
advised me that my setup is the simplified, early version. To clarify, it does 
NOT have: an EGR, a thermo-vacuum valve on the thermostat housing, vacuum 
switches on top of the valve cover, an extra "Y" between the vacuum pump and 
the vacuum modulator on top of the IP. So, tomorrow I'm going to get a vacuum 
gauge and install to start testing the vacuum per Mark. He says my setup is 
more simple than the later versions, but the amount of vacuum should still be 
the same. It's odd that my car has an earlier version when it was made in May 
1980 towards the end of the model production. In fact it has 126 calipers and 
rotors on the front. The vac diagram in the 1980 service manual shows the setup 
that appears on my 1983 300D and I think on the 126 models. I guess MB
  was mixing and matching to complete the 1980 300SD model production for the 
116 series and already into the 1981 300SD 126 series production. I imagine 
they assumed the dealerships could figure it out even though they produced an 
incomplete service manual. 
If anyone has a correct diagram or can provide additional info, please let me 
know. The tranny still shifts better (stiffer with no flare or slip) if I just 
disconnect the line to the transmission vacuum modulator and plug it off. I'm 
told I can run it that way without harming anything and it's better for the 
tranny to shift too firm than to slip which harms the clutches. 
Thanks again and best wishes to all, 
Roger 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission Problem

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

You are getting too much vacuum at the transmission.  if it happened 
suddenly, I doubt the problem is the modulator, but I don't know the 
modulator failure modes, so maybe someone here can tell us or Mark at 
Sun Valley can tell you.  Anything that restricts the vacuum before 
the modulator could be the problem.


It seems close to my 81 240D, with no cables or rods.  only the 
little plastic valve/switch thing on top of the valve cover.



So...an update. It seems that my 1980 300SD has a "simplified, early 
version" vacuum setup for that model year. I have the 1980 MB 
service manual and the vacuum diagram does NOT match. I spoke with 
Mark again at Sun Valley and he advised me that my setup is the 
simplified, early version. To clarify, it does NOT have: an EGR, a 
thermo-vacuum valve on the thermostat housing, vacuum switches on 
top of the valve cover, an extra "Y" between the vacuum pump and the 
vacuum modulator on top of the IP. So, tomorrow I'm going to get a 
vacuum gauge and install to start testing the vacuum per Mark. He 
says my setup is more simple than the later versions, but the amount 
of vacuum should still be the same. It's odd that my car has an 
earlier version when it was made in May 1980 towards the end of the 
model production. In fact it has 126 calipers and rotors on the 
front. The vac diagram in the 1980 service manual shows the setup 
that appears on my 1983 300D and I think on the 126 models. I guess 
MB was mixing and matching to complete the 1980 300SD model 
production for the 116 series and already into the 1981 300SD 126 
series production. I imagine they assumed the dealerships could 
figure it out even though they produced an incomplete service manual.
If anyone has a correct diagram or can provide additional info, 
please let me know. The tranny still shifts better (stiffer with no 
flare or slip) if I just disconnect the line to the transmission 
vacuum modulator and plug it off. I'm told I can run it that way 
without harming anything and it's better for the tranny to shift too 
firm than to slip which harms the clutches.

Thanks again and best wishes to all,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same.
The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a 
transaxle...


When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL 
number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless.
By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, can't 
remember for sure) motor oil.
IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than with 
5W30 M1 in it.


Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or III 
later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, my 
1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30  M1 than with the Dexron that the factory put 
in it.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Currently I've got Redline MTL and MT-90 mixed in the Jetta 50/50 but I'm 
thinking to switch it to all MTL this fall. The MTL is a little thinner and 
should shift easier in the cold. The factory VW stuff is very thin and can be 
noisy in older cars. The mix wasn't bad last winter but would be stiff for the 
first couple shifts at below zero temps.
I want to change again because the stuff that came out last fall was nasty and 
smelled bad. I've put 15,000 miles on the car and the trans is way quieter 
now...

Curt

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote:
 
 Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same.
 The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a 
 transaxle...
 
 When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL 
 number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless.
 By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, 
 can't remember for sure) motor oil.
 IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than 
 with 5W30 M1 in it.
 
 Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or 
 III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, 
 my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30  M1 than with the Dexron that the 
 factory put in it.
 
 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

Redline MTL has worked like magic in every stick box i've put it in; i 
wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.



cheers!
e


On 24/Jul/14 10:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Currently I've got Redline MTL and MT-90 mixed in the Jetta 50/50 but I'm 
thinking to switch it to all MTL this fall. The MTL is a little thinner and 
should shift easier in the cold. The factory VW stuff is very thin and can be 
noisy in older cars. The mix wasn't bad last winter but would be stiff for the 
first couple shifts at below zero temps.
I want to change again because the stuff that came out last fall was nasty and 
smelled bad. I've put 15,000 miles on the car and the trans is way quieter 
now...

Curt

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote:

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same.
The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a 
transaxle...

When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL 
number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless.
By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, 
can't remember for sure) motor oil.
IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than with 
5W30 M1 in it.

Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or 
III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, 
my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30  M1 than with the Dexron that the factory 
put in it.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

i used MTL in both my VW rabbit and 220D with good results


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:36 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Redline MTL has worked like magic in every stick box i've put it in; i
 wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.


 cheers!
 e



 On 24/Jul/14 10:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 Currently I've got Redline MTL and MT-90 mixed in the Jetta 50/50 but I'm
 thinking to switch it to all MTL this fall. The MTL is a little thinner and
 should shift easier in the cold. The factory VW stuff is very thin and can
 be noisy in older cars. The mix wasn't bad last winter but would be stiff
 for the first couple shifts at below zero temps.
 I want to change again because the stuff that came out last fall was
 nasty and smelled bad. I've put 15,000 miles on the car and the trans is
 way quieter now...

 Curt

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com
 wrote:

 Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same.
 The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is
 really a transaxle...

 When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the
 GL number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless.
 By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe
 10W30, can't remember for sure) motor oil.
 IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil
 than with 5W30 M1 in it.

 Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron
 II or III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid
 changed. IIRC, my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30  M1 than with the
 Dexron that the factory put in it.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Fmiser via Mercedes]

 Max wrote:
 
 +1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your
 transmission.

Dwight wrote:
   
I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.

   Craig wrote:
  
   Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will
   damage them.

  Dwight wrote:
 
  Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.

 Curt wrote:
 
 Thats spec for most manual transmissions.

Curious.  The manual transmissions I'm familiar with are either
old, heavy duty, or Mercedes.  And the W123 all use Dexron II for
the manual transmission.

My GM 4-speed pickup (117 mm) requires 80W90 GL-5 gear oil.  The
big truck transmissions I'm familiar with use either 50W or
75-80W90 gear oil.

I just checked my '85 GM factory service manual.  The 3-speed and
the small 4-speed use DexronII.  The big 117mm 4-speed uses 80W90.

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Was that for big trucks? My '88 was only an S15...

-Curt



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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
 

 Max wrote:
 
 +1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your
 transmission.

Dwight wrote:
   
I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.

   Craig wrote:
  
   Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will
   damage them.

  Dwight wrote:
 
  Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.

 Curt wrote:
 
 Thats spec for most manual transmissions.

Curious.  The manual transmissions I'm familiar with are either
old, heavy duty, or Mercedes.  And the W123 all use Dexron II for
the manual transmission.

My GM 4-speed pickup (117 mm) requires 80W90 GL-5 gear oil.  The
big truck transmissions I'm familiar with use either 50W or
75-80W90 gear oil.

I just checked my '85 GM factory service manual.  The 3-speed and
the small 4-speed use DexronII.  The big 117mm 4-speed uses 80W90.




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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Was that for big trucks? My '88 was only an S15...


S-15s used the Tremec T-5, same as the Mustangs/Camaros etc.
Except I don't think the company was called Tremec in 1988.
I assume the T-5 was an ATF box.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Fmiser via Mercedes]

  Dwight wrote:
 
  I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick
  240D.

 Craig wrote:

 Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil
 will damage them.

Dwight wrote:
   
Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.

   Curt wrote:
   
   Thats spec for most manual transmissions.

 Fmiser wrote:
 
 Curious.  The manual transmissions I'm familiar with are either
 old, heavy duty, or Mercedes.  And the W123 all use Dexron II for
 the manual transmission.
 
 My GM 4-speed pickup (117 mm) requires 80W90 GL-5 gear oil.  The
 big truck transmissions I'm familiar with use either 50W or
 75-80W90 gear oil.
 
 I just checked my '85 GM factory service manual.  The 3-speed and
 the small 4-speed use DexronII.  The big 117mm 4-speed uses 80W90.

 Curt wrote:
 
 Was that for big trucks? My '88 was only an S15...

The term big truck to me means class 7 or greater.  The 117mm
transmission (also called SM465) wasn't ever used in those.  It was
used in 1/2 ton (class 1), and maybe through the 2-ton (class 3) -
which are typically referred to as light duty.  So big as
compared to the mini-pickups, but not really a big truck. *smiles*

--   Philip, who once earned a living driving big trucks

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[MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Question for the list: 
Last year I had a used tranny installed in my 1980 300SD. The tranny was from a 
recycler in AZ. It supposedly only had 95K on it. My indie installed it. He 
said everything looked good and really clean, but it had been sitting in a 
really dry environment for who knows how long. 
So, the issue, it slips when shifting once it gets warm/hot. When it's first 
cold, it shifts fine. Once hot, if you let if shift at low RPMs, it shifts 
fine. If you give it hard acceleration up to about 35 mph and let off, it will 
jump from 1st to 4th and bypass 2/3 and shift fine that way. At 35 mph, 4th 
gear is fine for acceleration to driving speed. My indie felt that I should 
just keep driving it and hope the internal seals would get saturated and then 
it would start shifting fine. It has not. 
Now, my question is: 1) Should I try synthetic fluid to see if it will swell 
the seals, 2) try some of the MacParts trans medic solutions, 3) is this an 
issue that could be repaired reasonably? Again, my indie, like most, like to 
swap parts, not repair parts. Otherwise, it is and has been a good car. 
Any thoughts or suggestions that would help would be greatly appreciated. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 

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Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Gary Hurst via Mercedes]

as for fluid, i'd try some trick shift


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:35 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Question for the list:
 Last year I had a used tranny installed in my 1980 300SD. The tranny was
 from a recycler in AZ. It supposedly only had 95K on it. My indie installed
 it. He said everything looked good and really clean, but it had been
 sitting in a really dry environment for who knows how long.
 So, the issue, it slips when shifting once it gets warm/hot. When it's
 first cold, it shifts fine. Once hot, if you let if shift at low RPMs, it
 shifts fine. If you give it hard acceleration up to about 35 mph and let
 off, it will jump from 1st to 4th and bypass 2/3 and shift fine that way.
 At 35 mph, 4th gear is fine for acceleration to driving speed. My indie
 felt that I should just keep driving it and hope the internal seals would
 get saturated and then it would start shifting fine. It has not.
 Now, my question is: 1) Should I try synthetic fluid to see if it will
 swell the seals, 2) try some of the MacParts trans medic solutions, 3) is
 this an issue that could be repaired reasonably? Again, my indie, like
 most, like to swap parts, not repair parts. Otherwise, it is and has been a
 good car.
 Any thoughts or suggestions that would help would be greatly appreciated.
 Best Wishes,
 Roger

 Roger Hale
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 Monroe, Ga.
 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Roger, quick reply. I have used M1 ATF in 3 MB trannies. 1 is still In
Progress but shifts better, flaring stopped, downshift clunks gone etc.
Miracle fluid. Fred said it might take 10k miles to feel difference. My 90
has 239k miles on original tranny- last 110k on M1  shifrs like new. YMMV
On Jul 23, 2014 8:36 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Question for the list:
 Last year I had a used tranny installed in my 1980 300SD. The tranny was
 from a recycler in AZ. It supposedly only had 95K on it. My indie installed
 it. He said everything looked good and really clean, but it had been
 sitting in a really dry environment for who knows how long.
 So, the issue, it slips when shifting once it gets warm/hot. When it's
 first cold, it shifts fine. Once hot, if you let if shift at low RPMs, it
 shifts fine. If you give it hard acceleration up to about 35 mph and let
 off, it will jump from 1st to 4th and bypass 2/3 and shift fine that way.
 At 35 mph, 4th gear is fine for acceleration to driving speed. My indie
 felt that I should just keep driving it and hope the internal seals would
 get saturated and then it would start shifting fine. It has not.
 Now, my question is: 1) Should I try synthetic fluid to see if it will
 swell the seals, 2) try some of the MacParts trans medic solutions, 3) is
 this an issue that could be repaired reasonably? Again, my indie, like
 most, like to swap parts, not repair parts. Otherwise, it is and has been a
 good car.
 Any thoughts or suggestions that would help would be greatly appreciated.
 Best Wishes,
 Roger

 Roger Hale
 Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
 Monroe, Ga.
 770-267-0850
 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
 www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique)

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

+1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your transmission.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.
+1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your transmission.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:49:58 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.
 +1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your transmission.

Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will damage them.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.
On Jul 23, 2014 6:47 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:49:58 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.
  +1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your transmission.

 Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will damage them.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[OK Don via Mercedes]

ATF is, I don't know about M1, though I did use it in the '70 220D, '81
240D, and '84 190D - all with manual tranny's.


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.

  On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:49:58 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.
   +1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your
 transmission.
 
  Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will damage them.
 
 
  Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My brother had it done so I will check records. Tranny wss fine. This is
the deadhead 240D curt has.
On Jul 23, 2014 8:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 ATF is, I don't know about M1, though I did use it in the '70 220D, '81
 240D, and '84 190D - all with manual tranny's.


 On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.

  On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:49:58 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
   I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.
   +1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your
 transmission.
 
  Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will damage
 them.
 
 
  Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:46:40 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.

Sounds like you need to find a new indy shop.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same.
The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a 
transaxle...

-Curt



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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
 

Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.



On Jul 23, 2014 6:47 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:49:58 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.
  +1 on the M1 ATF.  Definitely sounds like it may help your transmission.

 Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will damage them.


 Craig

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[MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission not transmitting past 1

[rogerhga]

Thanks for everyone's suggestions. I don't have the car to look at right now, 
my Indie has it. He did a tranny service, said they didn't find any parts, etc. 
in the pan, slight signs of clutch wear which he said was normal for its age 
(33 years/425,000 miles). I'll go see him on Monday and ask him to check the 
other suggestions; Bowden cable, kickdown switch, kickdown valve, plastic 
governor gear, and discuss servicing the valve body without removing the whole 
tranny. A lot of mechanics are hesitant to service the tranny to any extent, I 
think most would rather do the tranny swap. 
Thanks again for the suggestions...you guys are great. 
Roger 

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission not transmitting past 1

[Hendrik and Fay]

I am presuming the mechanic changed the oil and filter?
The valve body can be removed and disassembled/inspected.
Another valve body could be found to see if it is the problem.
Lot easier to R and R the valve body than the entire transmission.

Anyway first thing is to see what the fluid is like and see if there are 
nasties in the pan, if there then yes it's time for a rebuild or such.
You would be surprised how junk these boxes can put up with before 
calling it a day, which is the reason I always have a laugh when people 
go fully anal about a clean dipstick.


Hendrik
who has mucked around with valve bodies

On 05/07/13 13:03, Frederick Moir wrote:

Broken B2 piston?
  
Fred Moir

Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




From: roger...@comcast.net roger...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 9:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission


To all,
It's been awhile since I've posted anything, but I'm currently seeking tips, 
suggestions, advice, etc. My wonderful old MB with around 425,000 miles has 
finally stopped shifting gears. My mechanic says he's tried everything to 
revive it but it appears something broke in the shift body as it won't shift up 
from first. Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I don't 
feel like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's age, 
etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found little.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Roger Hale



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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission not transmitting past 1

[Michael Canfield]

I am late to chime in but has anyone mentioned to make sure the kickdown
switch under the throttle pedal is coming back up and functioning properly?

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission not transmitting past 1

[Rick Knoble]

Bowden cable. I started having problems tonight. It just would NOT shift out of 
1st (maybe 2nd?). Flipped the Bowden lever on the linkage a couple times, it is 
back to shifting fine. 

Rick
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On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am late to chime in but has anyone mentioned to make sure the kickdown
 switch under the throttle pedal is coming back up and functioning properly?

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[MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

[rogerhga]

To all, 
It's been awhile since I've posted anything, but I'm currently seeking tips, 
suggestions, advice, etc. My wonderful old MB with around 425,000 miles has 
finally stopped shifting gears. My mechanic says he's tried everything to 
revive it but it appears something broke in the shift body as it won't shift up 
from first. Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I don't 
feel like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's age, 
etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found little. 
Thanks for any suggestions. 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

[Peter Frederick]

Governor drive gear is plastic in these trannies and known to  
fracture, leaving you with no governor pressure and hence absolutely  
no upshift from first (verifty you don't have a stuck kickdown switch  
or valve).


This can repaired in car, but you have to make sure there are not  
plastic bits in the associated check valve downstream -- otherwise, a  
new gear won't fix it.


If it's not that, it's time for a tranny rebuild.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

[Frederick Moir]

Broken B2 piston?
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



 From: roger...@comcast.net roger...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 9:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission
 

To all, 
It's been awhile since I've posted anything, but I'm currently seeking tips, 
suggestions, advice, etc. My wonderful old MB with around 425,000 miles has 
finally stopped shifting gears. My mechanic says he's tried everything to 
revive it but it appears something broke in the shift body as it won't shift 
up from first. Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I 
don't feel like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's 
age, etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found little. 
Thanks for any suggestions. 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 


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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

[Craig]

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 01:00:43 + (UTC) roger...@comcast.net wrote:

 Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I don't feel
 like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's
 age, etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found
 little. Thanks for any suggestions. 

Kaleb?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

[Rich Thomas]

There are a coupla SDs in the knackers near me, I think one of them had 
a bad tranny as there were empty tranny fluid bottles in the car, the 
other one, who knows?  It would be a bugger to get one out from there 
though, and not knowing the condition would be quite iffy.


Wonder if any of those cars that got their engines destroyed during the 
cash for clunkers debacle are still around?


--R


On 7/4/13 9:00 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:

To all,
It's been awhile since I've posted anything, but I'm currently seeking tips, 
suggestions, advice, etc. My wonderful old MB with around 425,000 miles has 
finally stopped shifting gears. My mechanic says he's tried everything to 
revive it but it appears something broke in the shift body as it won't shift up 
from first. Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I don't 
feel like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's age, 
etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found little.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique)

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[MBZ] 1980 300SD Modulator Valve

[rogerhga]

To all...a very Happy New Year... 
This is an odd request, but I thought maybe...so I'll ask. The transmission 
modulator valve on this car has a plastic piece that connects to the valve on 
one side and the vacuum line connects on the other end. Mine is cracked and 
causing the tranny to shift hard. My Indie tried to epoxy it, but no joy as it 
is not holding (something about too much oil on a plastic part for the epoxy to 
hold). Anyway, would anyone have an old valve with a good plastic vacuum 
connector? I'd be happy to pay for the part and shipping. MBUSA says they have 
5 of these connectors and they are all in Germany. I don't want to order the 
whole valve as I don't need the valve and it's about 4 times more expensive 
than just the connector. 
Thanks for any leads, parts, assistance. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger Hale 
Monroe, Ga. 

Roger Hale 
Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Modulator Valve

[LWB250]

Have you tried PGA? (Potomac German Auto) in Maryland?

Dan

--- On Tue, 12/28/10, roger...@comcast.net roger...@comcast.net wrote:

 From: roger...@comcast.net roger...@comcast.net
 Subject: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Modulator Valve
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:20 PM
 To all...a very Happy New Year... 
 This is an odd request, but I thought maybe...so I'll ask.
 The transmission modulator valve on this car has a plastic
 piece that connects to the valve on one side and the vacuum
 line connects on the other end. Mine is cracked and causing
 the tranny to shift hard. My Indie tried to epoxy it, but no
 joy as it is not holding (something about too much oil on a
 plastic part for the epoxy to hold). Anyway, would anyone
 have an old valve with a good plastic vacuum connector? I'd
 be happy to pay for the part and shipping. MBUSA says they
 have 5 of these connectors and they are all in Germany. I
 don't want to order the whole valve as I don't need the
 valve and it's about 4 times more expensive than just the
 connector. 
 Thanks for any leads, parts, assistance. 
 Best Wishes, 
 Roger Hale 
 Monroe, Ga. 
 
 Roger Hale 
 Monroe, Ga. 
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[MBZ] 1980 300SD

[LarryT]

http://www.mypreownedmercedes.com/matrix.php?mbid=82970

Found this on the MB Classic website - a very nice 1980 300SD!

LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:06:53 -0400 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 http://www.mypreownedmercedes.com/matrix.php?mbid=82970
 
 Found this on the MB Classic website - a very nice 1980 300SD!

I had to go to page to to see it. Yes, indeed, it is very nice. 1327 miles
and virtually new. Price is in line with new as well, $65,000. A little
more than I can spend right now.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Mitch Haley]

I like the trike on page 2, but not enough to pay $70k for a replica.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:32:56 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 I like the trike on page 2, but not enough to pay $70k for a replica.

I really like the next item on the list, the 1933 290 Cabriolet B. $175k
is a bit much for me, though.

The 1957 300Sc Cabriolet, black with red leather on page 3 is a wonder,
though (beyond the $750k price tag!): 0 miles?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD

[LarryT]

Yeah, as others have noted, the cars they are hoping to sell are pretty 
extraordinary examples - low miles and 100% restorations done - but  I would 
wonder if they could really get some of those prices - even at the high-end 
auctions - I guess somewhere in the world there's someone who wants a 1980 
300SD in like new condition!  I'd think they'd be more likely to get that 
kind of money for a W140 350SDL (with repaired engine) in pristine condition 
and very low miles.  That'd be my dream if I win the lottery ;-)


But those W116 chassis' were awesome cars...

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD


On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:06:53 -0400 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


http://www.mypreownedmercedes.com/matrix.php?mbid=82970

Found this on the MB Classic website - a very nice 1980 300SD!


I had to go to page to to see it. Yes, indeed, it is very nice. 1327 miles
and virtually new. Price is in line with new as well, $65,000. A little
more than I can spend right now.


Craig

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[MBZ] 1980 300SD

[BillR]

Kevin - I'd like to tempt you to do that.  You could retire the engine and
transmission to Florida for my ailing 1981 300SD...
Good body and interior, no engine and [probably ]a weak transmission.   I've
spent $3k thus far and still no usable engine.
BillR
1981 300SD  the EM  265k / no engine yet

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:40:14 -0400
From: Kevin Beswick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Rear axle problem? 116 300SD
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After letting my son drive my 1980 300SD for three months, I needed to use
it.  On right hand turns, there is a metal sliding on metal noise, and when
you straighten out, a metallic clang, with occasional metallic pops.  I'm
thinking it's a bad axle or CV joints from a 17 year old driving it like
it's a sportscar.  There seems to be a lot of play in the axles. How much
side to side movement should there be, or is there another way to diagnose
these.  My only other experience was with a 1968 
VW Bus.  The noises seem similar, even if that was over 20 years ago.   
Also, how expensive a fix is this?  This is the one needing new glow plugs,
among other issues, and I'm about to throw in the towel on it.  
If the engine and trany were not so strong, I'd dump it.

Thanks for any help.

Kevin