Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-26 Thread Barry Stark
Scott -
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. I can't vouch for any repairs that
Odemer performs as I've always done my own but it is nice having a parts
source for these old antennas. Also I've only tinkered with the Hirschmanns
in my early 80s cars. I didn't even know that Blaupunkt made antennas. Are
they known to be particularly troublesome or is Odemer's shop just doing a
bad job?

Barry


I'm sure for nearly a billion dollars Walter will be happy (actually
grumbly) to sell you the nut.

He recently rebuilt (hah) twice (hah) the blaupunkt in my SL.   It still
isn't good.



 Luther -
 Try Walter Odemer he has most parts for the Hirschmanns.

 Barry

 http://www.geocities.com/ode...@sbcglobal.net/



 My coupe doesn't have a Hirshmann, so I'm missing the chrome part.  I
 have a working Hirshmann body, just no chrome nut.
 
 Luther




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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-25 Thread Luther

correct.

Luther, in the land of no MB junkyardsexcept Striplin Acres

Jim Cathey wrote:

My coupe doesn't have a Hirschmann, so I'm missing the chrome part.
I have a working Hirschmann body, just no chrome nut.


Junkyard time!  You need the works then, right?  Nut _and_
the little angled cap thingy?  (I don't have one for you,
I'm just trying to clarify things.)

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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-25 Thread Barry Stark
Luther -
Try Walter Odemer he has most parts for the Hirschmanns.

Barry

http://www.geocities.com/ode...@sbcglobal.net/



My coupe doesn't have a Hirshmann, so I'm missing the chrome part.  I 
have a working Hirshmann body, just no chrome nut.

Luther




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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-25 Thread Scott Allen
I'm sure for nearly a billion dollars Walter will be happy (actually
grumbly) to sell you the nut.

He recently rebuilt (hah) twice (hah) the blaupunkt in my SL.   It still
isn't good.


- Original Message - 
From: Barry Stark barryst...@roadrunner.com
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking


 Luther -
 Try Walter Odemer he has most parts for the Hirschmanns.

 Barry

 http://www.geocities.com/ode...@sbcglobal.net/



 My coupe doesn't have a Hirshmann, so I'm missing the chrome part.  I
 have a working Hirshmann body, just no chrome nut.
 
 Luther




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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-24 Thread Luther
My coupe doesn't have a Hirshmann, so I'm missing the chrome part.  I 
have a working Hirshmann body, just no chrome nut.


Luther

OK Don wrote:

I bought one in the last 6 months from Rusty - both the inner and outer
rubber bits. Re-used the inverted chrome funnel.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

  

Crap, maybe it was the crome piece that tightens it down to the trunk
fender.  I'm not sure.





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'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-24 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I might have a nut laying around somewhere if that is all you need

Luther wrote:
My coupe doesn't have a Hirshmann, so I'm missing the chrome part.  I 
have a working Hirshmann body, just no chrome nut.


Luther

OK Don wrote:

I bought one in the last 6 months from Rusty - both the inner and outer
rubber bits. Re-used the inverted chrome funnel.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 

Crap, maybe it was the crome piece that tightens it down to the trunk
fender.  I'm not sure.









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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Cathey

My coupe doesn't have a Hirschmann, so I'm missing the chrome part.
I have a working Hirschmann body, just no chrome nut.


Junkyard time!  You need the works then, right?  Nut _and_
the little angled cap thingy?  (I don't have one for you,
I'm just trying to clarify things.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-24 Thread LarryT

re: Hirschmann 

Rusty has the rubber grommets that fit around the base of the 
antenna - improves the looks and prevents leaks - easy to install 
too - less than $5 IIRC.


Sincerely,
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- Original Message - 
From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking


My coupe doesn't have a Hirschmann, so I'm missing the chrome 
part.

I have a working Hirschmann body, just no chrome nut.


Junkyard time!  You need the works then, right?  Nut _and_
the little angled cap thingy?  (I don't have one for you,
I'm just trying to clarify things.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

you sure about that, I have seen them on his website

Luther wrote:

No, Rusty cannot get it, or so I was told on the phone.

Luther

Wilton Strickland wrote:

Yes.  Call Rusty.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking


 
Can one buy just the little rubber grommet that goes between the body 
and the outside chrome cap?


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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-23 Thread Wilton Strickland
During the last year and a half or so, I've gotten 2 from 'im; he gets 'em
through a MB dealer in FL, I think.  Mine came to me directly from dealer,
but I ordered via Rusty.   Rusty??

Wilton

- Original Message -
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking


 No, Rusty cannot get it, or so I was told on the phone.

 Luther

 Wilton Strickland wrote:
  Yes.  Call Rusty.
 
  Wilton
 
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  From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking
 
 
 
  Can one buy just the little rubber grommet that goes between the body
  and the outside chrome cap?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-23 Thread Luther
Crap, maybe it was the crome piece that tightens it down to the trunk 
fender.  I'm not sure.


Luther

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you sure about that, I have seen them on his website

Luther wrote:

No, Rusty cannot get it, or so I was told on the phone.

Luther

Wilton Strickland wrote:

Yes.  Call Rusty.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-23 Thread OK Don
I bought one in the last 6 months from Rusty - both the inner and outer
rubber bits. Re-used the inverted chrome funnel.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 Crap, maybe it was the crome piece that tightens it down to the trunk
 fender.  I'm not sure.


-- 
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[MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Zoltan Finks
Hello all, been a long time.
So, is there a way, short of disassembling, to help out a radio antenna that
has stopped going all the way down?

Its on our 87 190D.

At least everything that is breaking on the car is minor.

In fact, another minor breakage on the way: the little thermometer gauge on
the dash has black slowly encroaching on the display.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Peter Frederick
First, lubricate the antenna with some silicone spray lub -- if it's  
gotten dry and dirty, the telescoping sections can drag to the point  
the motor shuts off too soon.


Otherwise, it's time for a new mast most likely.

Peter

On Feb 22, 2009, at 4:36 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:


Hello all, been a long time.
So, is there a way, short of disassembling, to help out a radio  
antenna that

has stopped going all the way down?

Its on our 87 190D.

At least everything that is breaking on the car is minor.

In fact, another minor breakage on the way: the little thermometer  
gauge on

the dash has black slowly encroaching on the display.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Jim Cathey
So, is there a way, short of disassembling, to help out a radio 
antenna that

has stopped going all the way down?


You could remove the mast and try cleaning it out with
solvent, then re-lubricate with silicone.  I've had
generally poor luck with this, though.  It can work,
but not usually for too long.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Allan Streib
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes:

 You could remove the mast and try cleaning it out with
 solvent, then re-lubricate with silicone.  I've had
 generally poor luck with this, though.  It can work,
 but not usually for too long.

Had the same problem in my 300D; I tried cleaning and lubing with
marginal results, then replaced the mast, which solved the problem for a
few months but it's back.  Either you have to keep the mast nearly
surgically clean, or the actual motor or internal mechanism in mine is
borderline...

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread E M
the mast stopped going all the way down on my 300E during the winter, not
sure why, or just a combo of winter grime and dried out lube.  I use the
radio very little by the way.

The mast was up about 4-5 inches, so I really washed it down well with WD40,
and as it's so thin, after applying it several times, enough ran down and I
guess cleaned it out by way of washing it.  WD40 isn't a lube, so after I
sprayed it down, which by the way got it running smoothly again, I gave it a
wipe down using some of those Mercedes lube pads made for that purpose.
I've had no problems with it since.

Ed
300E

2009/2/22 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net

 So, is there a way, short of disassembling, to help out a radio antenna
 that
 has stopped going all the way down?


 You could remove the mast and try cleaning it out with
 solvent, then re-lubricate with silicone.  I've had
 generally poor luck with this, though.  It can work,
 but not usually for too long.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread LWB250
It depends on what kind of mast you have.  There were some that the nylon tail 
was toothed on, which would have to be replaced if the teeth are worn or 
damaged, or the other style, which used a more or less smooth nylon tail 
that the friction wheel grabbed between it and a pinch roller.

If you open it up and find you have the one with the smooth tail, first check 
the pinch roller and spring to make sure they're working properly, then take 
the antenna tail and feed it in 180 degrees from the direction it had 
previously would around the drum on.  That presents a smooth tail for the 
friction wheel to get a grip on, and it will once again work as intended.

The friction wheel sort of knurls the side it contacts due to the ridges that 
are machined into it, so the side opposite the wheel is more or less untouched.

Dan

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 12:22 PM
  So, is there a way, short of
 disassembling, to help out a radio antenna that
  has stopped going all the way down?
 
 You could remove the mast and try cleaning it out with
 solvent, then re-lubricate with silicone.  I've had
 generally poor luck with this, though.  It can work,
 but not usually for too long.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Hendrik Fay
I am pretty sure that Hirschmann aerials of that vintage use a toothed 
cord, the problem is a lack of maintenance (of which we are all guilty 
because it is one of those things that only gets attention when they 
play up), what Dan said was pretty right, even for the toothy variety. 
There is a roller that presses the cord onto the drum and with a lack of 
lube the roller stops rolling and as a result a flat spot wears on it, 
thus you loose tension and the aerial does not work 100%.
Disassembly will tell the story. Stripping down an Hirschy aerial is not 
that hard and you will find out if the aerial mast is working well. 
There used to be a kit available to fix the roller problem. Another 
thing that goes wrong is that the plastic tab inside the drum breaks off.
Whenever I come across a Hirschy aerial in a wreck I pull it apart to 
see if it has a good roller in it but that is very rare.


Hendrik
who has a drawer full of old aerials

LWB250 wrote:

It depends on what kind of mast you have.  There were some that the nylon tail was toothed on, 
which would have to be replaced if the teeth are worn or damaged, or the other style, which used a more or less 
smooth nylon tail that the friction wheel grabbed between it and a pinch roller.

If you open it up and find you have the one with the smooth tail, first check the pinch 
roller and spring to make sure they're working properly, then take the antenna 
tail and feed it in 180 degrees from the direction it had previously would 
around the drum on.  That presents a smooth tail for the friction wheel to get a grip on, 
and it will once again work as intended.

The friction wheel sort of knurls the side it contacts due to the ridges that 
are machined into it, so the side opposite the wheel is more or less untouched.

Dan

  

  



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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Jim Cathey

There used to be a kit available to fix the roller problem.


I actually replaced the roller in one of mine with a
generic bearing-house roller.  That was a large pain.
This is the antenna that's now in the 250C.  From the
August 2001 archive of this list's predecessor:

Folks, I was wondering with what you are supposed to clean and 
lubricate the
power antenna on the 1983 300D TurboDiesel. I have heard that it is 
VERY
important to keep the antenna clean, and lubricated with something, 
but with


I think it's silicone, sprayed on a rag and then wiped on the extended
antenna.

I was able to resurrect my wife's 450SL antenna, which was very gummed 
up
with (no doubt) residue from previous lubrication attempts. I had to 
remove

the mast from the motor, and once apart I glugged lacquer thinner down
into the mast and repeatedly extended and collapsed it. Repeated until 
no
more goo came out, in the thinner or sticking to the mast. It took 
awhile.
That thing was filthy nasty inside, and very sticky before the 
cleaning.


Then reassemble. (In this case, I also had to replace the pinch roller
bearing in the motor assembly, which had rusted solid. Boy, THAT was 
fun!
A local bearing house was able to measure the pieces [I had to use a 
hammer
to break it apart] and supply an exact replacement, down to the 
markings

on it. [625, if I recall.] Not cheap, but WAY cheaper than another
Hirschmann.)

This antenna is now residing in our 250C convertible, and works great.


-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Can one buy just the little rubber grommet that goes between the body 
and the outside chrome cap?


--R




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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Wilton Strickland
Yes.  Call Rusty.

Wilton

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 Can one buy just the little rubber grommet that goes between the body 
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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Peter Frederick
The repair kit with new gears and rollers is still available as of  
last year when I bought one.


Peter

On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Hendrik  Fay wrote:

I am pretty sure that Hirschmann aerials of that vintage use a  
toothed cord, the problem is a lack of maintenance (of which we are  
all guilty because it is one of those things that only gets  
attention when they play up), what Dan said was pretty right, even  
for the toothy variety. There is a roller that presses the cord  
onto the drum and with a lack of lube the roller stops rolling and  
as a result a flat spot wears on it, thus you loose tension and the  
aerial does not work 100%.
Disassembly will tell the story. Stripping down an Hirschy aerial  
is not that hard and you will find out if the aerial mast is  
working well. There used to be a kit available to fix the roller  
problem. Another thing that goes wrong is that the plastic tab  
inside the drum breaks off.
Whenever I come across a Hirschy aerial in a wreck I pull it apart  
to see if it has a good roller in it but that is very rare.


Hendrik
who has a drawer full of old aerials

LWB250 wrote:
It depends on what kind of mast you have.  There were some that  
the nylon tail was toothed on, which would have to be replaced  
if the teeth are worn or damaged, or the other style, which used a  
more or less smooth nylon tail that the friction wheel grabbed  
between it and a pinch roller.


If you open it up and find you have the one with the smooth tail,  
first check the pinch roller and spring to make sure they're  
working properly, then take the antenna tail and feed it in 180  
degrees from the direction it had previously would around the drum  
on.  That presents a smooth tail for the friction wheel to get a  
grip on, and it will once again work as intended.


The friction wheel sort of knurls the side it contacts due to the  
ridges that are machined into it, so the side opposite the wheel  
is more or less untouched.


Dan






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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Peter Frederick

Yes, but you need both the inner and outer parts.

Peter

On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Can one buy just the little rubber grommet that goes between the  
body and the outside chrome cap?


--R




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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Wonko the Sane
My 300E has the opposite issue - it goes only 3/4 way up when the radio is
turned on, and the last 1/4 has to be coaxed up with the ANTENNA switch
inside the car.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello all, been a long time.
 So, is there a way, short of disassembling, to help out a radio antenna
 that
 has stopped going all the way down?

 Its on our 87 190D.

 At least everything that is breaking on the car is minor.

 In fact, another minor breakage on the way: the little thermometer gauge on
 the dash has black slowly encroaching on the display.

 Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread OK Don
We expect that from you - marching to a different drummer.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 My 300E has the opposite issue - it goes only 3/4 way up when the radio is
 turned on, and the last 1/4 has to be coaxed up with the ANTENNA switch
 inside the car.


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Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking

2009-02-22 Thread Luther

No, Rusty cannot get it, or so I was told on the phone.

Luther

Wilton Strickland wrote:

Yes.  Call Rusty.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Antenna sticking


  
Can one buy just the little rubber grommet that goes between the body 
and the outside chrome cap?


--R

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