Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-15 Thread Christopher McCann
well, the rendezvous points depend on who we are  rendezvous-ing with and that 
is going to be up in the air till the last  week, realistically...some will be 
die hard definites and others will  not, or will have something come up, etc.
  
  SO, I'm thinking that we plan a corse from Claremore to Deadhorse and  back 
to the, oh lets call it the BUP (break up point) - where we split  up and head 
our separate ways home...at the BUP, some smaller caravans  may still be 
intact, e.g a car from Kansas City and a car from St.  Louis will be together 
till Kansas City...but those smaller caravans  can be constituted on the spot.
  
  Let's focus on getting the route down - going through the areas we want  to 
go through - there and back. I advocate two different routes for  variety and 
different sights, etc...but neither should take us too far  out of the way.
  
  Once we nail the MAIN ITENERAY DOWN (claremore - deadhorse -  BUP), then we 
can decide where along THAT route it would be best to  rendezvous with other 
people coming on board that are not starting at  the OkieQ.
  
  My two cents.
  
  Chris

OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I just ran three scenarios through MapPoint 
from my house (140 miles
from the OkieQ) to Deadhorse, AK (one way) -

Quickest trip - 4130.1 miles, 6 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes.

Shortest trip - 4121.9 miles, 6 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes.

Preferred roads - 4397.1 miles, 6 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes.
(heavy on limited access)

I haven't dug through the route to find the differences yet, but
they're not very significant ---

Now, where were the possible rendezvous points?


On 12/13/05, Hans Neureiter  wrote:
 Attached map, if it doesn't get stripped, shows a treck from OkieQ to
 Prudhoe Bay @ 9,500 miles round trip. This is just about 2 1/2 weeks.
 ( - Winnipeg - Saskatoon - Edmonton - Whitehorse - Fairbanks - )

 --
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Something like this is exactly what I had in  mind...with Denver being the main 
break up point (BUP) OR, forget the  BUP and set a claremore - deadhorse - 
claremore route  (different each way) and people peel off on the return route 
as  needed/wanted to get back home.
  
  Chris
  

Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  This is a route that avoids double

Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-14 Thread OK Don
I just ran three scenarios through MapPoint from my house (140 miles
from the OkieQ) to Deadhorse, AK (one way) -

Quickest trip - 4130.1 miles, 6 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes.

Shortest trip - 4121.9 miles, 6 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes.

Preferred roads - 4397.1 miles, 6 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes.
(heavy on limited access)

I haven't dug through the route to find the differences yet, but
they're not very significant ---

Now, where were the possible rendezvous points?


On 12/13/05, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Attached map, if it doesn't get stripped, shows a treck from OkieQ to
 Prudhoe Bay @ 9,500 miles round trip. This is just about 2 1/2 weeks.
 ( - Winnipeg - Saskatoon - Edmonton - Whitehorse - Fairbanks - )

 --
 Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
 '82 300SD, '95 E300D

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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-14 Thread Hans Neureiter
This is a route that avoids double backing for the most part, like a figure
8 between Wichita KS and Watson Lake with the cross over at Hinton/Jasper,
Alberta.
Distance and Times are according to MS Streets  Trips.



Main Junctions on Route from Oklahoma City to Prudhoe Bay, Alaska and back:

Oklahoma City, OK  I-29 N

Topeka, KS  US Hwy 75 N

Omaha, NE   I-29 N

Sioux Falls, NE

Fargo, ND

Winnipeg   CAN I-1 W


ReginaSaskatchewan Hwy 11 N

Saskatoon CAN I-16 W

Edmonton

Hinton   Alberta  Hwy 40 N


Grand Prarie  Alberta Hwy 2 W / BC Hwy 97 N

Watson Lake Yukon Hwy 1 N

Beaver CreekAK Hwy 2 W

Fairbanks

Livengood Dalton Hwy

Deadhorse/Prudhoe

__



Fairbanks  AK Hwy 2 E

Watson Lake BC Hwy 37 S

Kitwanga   CAN I-16 E

JasperBC Hwy 93 S

Eureka  US Hwy 93 S

Missoula MT I-90 E

Buffalo WY   I-25 S

Denver CO   I-70 E

Salina KS I-135 S

Wichita KS   I-29 S

Oklahoma City OK

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TOTAL:   8,922 miles   180 hrs driving




On 12/13/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just ran three scenarios through MapPoint from my house (140 miles
 from the OkieQ) to Deadhorse, AK (one way) -

 Quickest trip - 4130.1 miles, 6 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes.

 Shortest trip - 4121.9 miles, 6 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes.

 Preferred roads - 4397.1 miles, 6 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes.
 (heavy on limited access)

 I haven't dug through the route to find the differences yet, but
 they're not very significant ---

 Now, where were the possible rendezvous points?


 --
 Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
 '82 300SD, '95 E300D


Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-14 Thread Bob Rentfro

Looks like a good route. Avoiding doublebacking is a very good idea.
I'll be stashing this post in the Arctic-Q file...which is becoming quite 
big.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

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This is a route that avoids double backing for the most part, like a 
figure

8 between Wichita KS and Watson Lake with the cross over at Hinton/Jasper,
Alberta.
Distance and Times are according to MS Streets  Trips.



Main Junctions on Route from Oklahoma City to Prudhoe Bay, Alaska and 
back:


Oklahoma City, OK  I-29 N

Topeka, KS  US Hwy 75 N

Omaha, NE   I-29 N

Sioux Falls, NE

Fargo, ND

Winnipeg   CAN I-1 W


ReginaSaskatchewan Hwy 11 N

Saskatoon CAN I-16 W

Edmonton

Hinton   Alberta  Hwy 40 N


Grand Prarie  Alberta Hwy 2 W / BC Hwy 97 N

Watson Lake Yukon Hwy 1 N

Beaver CreekAK Hwy 2 W

Fairbanks

Livengood Dalton Hwy

Deadhorse/Prudhoe

__



Fairbanks  AK Hwy 2 E

Watson Lake BC Hwy 37 S

Kitwanga   CAN I-16 E

JasperBC Hwy 93 S

Eureka  US Hwy 93 S

Missoula MT I-90 E

Buffalo WY   I-25 S

Denver CO   I-70 E

Salina KS I-135 S

Wichita KS   I-29 S

Oklahoma City OK

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TOTAL:   8,922 miles   180 hrs driving




On 12/13/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I just ran three scenarios through MapPoint from my house (140 miles
from the OkieQ) to Deadhorse, AK (one way) -

Quickest trip - 4130.1 miles, 6 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes.

Shortest trip - 4121.9 miles, 6 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes.

Preferred roads - 4397.1 miles, 6 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes.
(heavy on limited access)

I haven't dug through the route to find the differences yet, but
they're not very significant ---

Now, where were the possible rendezvous points?


--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D

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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-14 Thread redghost
Chris is right here in town and I have marveled at his work.  Even buy 
some fuel from him.  will wander over and see what he thinks about 
sponsoring.  May need to take the car there a few times, just to seem 
more a customer.


On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:

My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a 
trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an accomplishment. 
He wants to stand next to the pipeline with a bottle  of Wesson oil 
and show the pipeline his third finger. Would make a  great picture 
- he should get Frybrid to thrown in some sponsorship  grease.


  Chris

Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Everyones ? At that time 
fuel could be $ 5.00 a gal x 500 gallons for the
round trip x ,lets say, 20 cars : small change (50,000 bucks), might 
as well

throw in new set of tires for all survivors.
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D


On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:


We could hook up on 90 or 94...think those might be highways you'd 
come

across on that would intersect.

Big if is understood on anything like this, esp when planned 1.5  
years
in advance. You may hit the lottery by then and pay for everyones  
fuel :-)


Chris


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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-14 Thread redghost
I thought about who to procure along the route.  Maybe we call ahead to 
the greasy spoons along the way and have them hold onto a quantity of 
old fry oil for us to remove for them.


On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Levi Smith wrote:

Now, first off I think that would be cool.  I thought of something 
similar
for my planned trip to Florida, but it's too much work and I don't 
trust the

Benz/veggie enough given past experience.

BUT as far as this trip is concerned...
That would be quite the load with around 400 gallons of oil on back 
there
What's that like another 2800lbs not counting the rather heavy/stout 
trailer
to haul it?...  Especially once you started using some and you had a 
2000lbs

of sloshing oil back there.
Also I'm not sure how cold it's going to be at various times you'd be
driving...  The biodiesel I heard mentioned before would probably be 
good

till around freezing...
With the frybrid, the car should run ok if it's set up well for some 
pretty
cold temps, however, if it's bad oil, it's going to be a nightmare to 
pump
at below about 80 degrees.  Even if it's good oil, make sure you don't 
need
to pump it (like from the tank to the car) below freezing, or have 
some good
heater to liquify it first.  (though the cold would solve the sloshing 
part

mentioned earlier...)

Good Luck!
Levi (:


On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a
trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an 
accomplishment. He
wants to stand next to the pipeline with a bottle  of Wesson oil and 
show
the pipeline his third finger. Would make a  great picture - he 
should get

Frybrid to thrown in some sponsorship  grease.

  Chris

Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Everyones ? At that time 
fuel

could be $ 5.00 a gal x 500 gallons for the
round trip x ,lets say, 20 cars : small change (50,000 bucks), might 
as

well
throw in new set of tires for all survivors.
--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D


On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:


We could hook up on 90 or 94...think those might be highways you'd 
come

across on that would intersect.

Big if is understood on anything like this, esp when planned 1.5

  years
in advance. You may hit the lottery by then and pay for everyones  
fuel

:-)


Chris


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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-14 Thread redghost
That is where the support vehicle with onboard processing would be 
handy.  Take the WVO and toss it into a settling/separating tank and a 
few hours later be able to dispense workable fuel.  Take the real waste 
gunk and make bear cakes for feeding the scraps to grizzlies




On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Levi Smith wrote:

As long as they have it ready to go without any water in the oil and 
you

have a good on-board filtering setup...

Levi (:

On 12/13/05, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


We should stop at every Greasy Spoon along the route and get what they
have.
He would not need a trailer, just a fiew 5 gal jugs in the trunk..
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D


On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a
trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an 
accomplishment.

He

wants to stand next to the pipeline with a bottle  of Wesson oil and

show
the pipeline his third finger. Would make a  great picture - he 
should

get

Frybrid to thrown in some sponsorship  grease.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-14 Thread Christopher McCann
Of course, everything is still up in the air, but  my frybrid equipped 300D 
coworker (Jason) will probably ride shotgun in  my car (300SD), which is a 
standard DinoD set up.
  
  Logistics for the oil procurement is more than he wants to mess with. I  
think he would rather enjoy the ride and fiddle with GPS equipment,  radios, 
etc. Wouldn't be surprised if he wires the SD with a Linux box  for goodness 
knows what (but it will be cool whatever it is).
  
  Chris

redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Chris is right here in town and I have 
marveled at his work.  Even buy 
some fuel from him.  will wander over and see what he thinks about 
sponsoring.  May need to take the car there a few times, just to seem 
more a customer.

On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:

 My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a 
 trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an accomplishment. 
 He wants to stand next to the pipeline with a bottle  of Wesson oil 
 and show the pipeline his third finger. Would make a  great picture 
 - he should get Frybrid to thrown in some sponsorship  grease.

   Chris

 Hans Neureiter  wrote:  Everyones ? At that time 
 fuel could be $ 5.00 a gal x 500 gallons for the
 round trip x ,lets say, 20 cars : small change (50,000 bucks), might 
 as well
 throw in new set of tires for all survivors.
 --
 Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
 '82 300SD, '95 E300D


 On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:

 We could hook up on 90 or 94...think those might be highways you'd 
 come
 across on that would intersect.

 Big if is understood on anything like this, esp when planned 1.5  
 years
 in advance. You may hit the lottery by then and pay for everyones  
 fuel :-)

 Chris

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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Christopher McCann
My only concern with Okie-Q was the back tracking  for some. More I think about 
it, I like OkieQ as a better starting  point, if you don't mind the extra 
miles. I don't either (mind the  extra miles). If there are others who will 
come and don't want to start  at the OkieQ, the caravan can always rendezvous 
with them at a point  along the way that is closer to each of them. That can be 
EASILY  planned once we establish 1) a route and 2) who all is coming. 
  
  QUESTION #1: Looking over my Rand McNally map, I am seeing alot of  scenic 
highways. Do we want to chose scenic highways over the fastest  route?
  
  QUESTION #2: Do we want, as far as is possible, to make the going to  and 
the return trip as different as possible without unduly  elongating the trip?
  
  Personally, I think scenic roads are good and two relatively different routes 
are also good.
  
  OR  fastest route to (just in case we run into problems that slow  us down) 
and a slower scenic route back that we can always cut short in  case we are 
running severely behind?
  
  THoughts?
  
  Chris
  
  
  

Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Christopher worried:

At the same time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be 
heading straight north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on coming. 


I really don't mind driving over to Okie-Q first as a starting point.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:30 PM
Subject: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point


In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible.

  I've got two ideas:

  1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from Sumas 
to Deadhorse:
  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

  2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies 
entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,  these 
first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:
  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

  Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps 
there are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.

  Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two would 
caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.

  If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous point 
too.

  Thoughts, suggestions, feedback, better ideas?

  Thanks,

  Chris






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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
most people who are far enough away to not want to start at the okieq 
are too far away anyways and probably wouldnt have come regardless.


Christopher McCann wrote:

My only concern with Okie-Q was the back tracking  for some. More I think about it, I like OkieQ as a better starting  point, if you don't mind the extra miles. I don't either (mind the  extra miles). If there are others who will come and don't want to start  at the OkieQ, the caravan can always rendezvous with them at a point  along the way that is closer to each of them. That can be EASILY  planned once we establish 1) a route and 2) who all is coming. 
  
  QUESTION #1: Looking over my Rand McNally map, I am seeing alot of  scenic highways. Do we want to chose scenic highways over the fastest  route?
  
  QUESTION #2: Do we want, as far as is possible, to make the going to  and the return trip as different as possible without unduly  elongating the trip?
  
  Personally, I think scenic roads are good and two relatively different routes are also good.
  
  OR  fastest route to (just in case we run into problems that slow  us down) and a slower scenic route back that we can always cut short in  case we are running severely behind?
  
  THoughts?
  
  Chris
  
  
  


Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Christopher worried:

At the same time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be 
heading straight north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on coming. 



I really don't mind driving over to Okie-Q first as a starting point.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:30 PM

Subject: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point


In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible.

  I've got two ideas:

  1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from Sumas 
to Deadhorse:

  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

  2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies 
entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,  these 
first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:

  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

  Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps 
there are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.


  Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two would 
caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.


  If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous point 
too.


  Thoughts, suggestions, feedback, better ideas?

  Thanks,

  Chris






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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread redghost
Sumas is not right close or simple to get to from major roads.  It is  
the truck route about 15 miles off I-5 to the east. Country lanes from  
I-5 until you get meander to the border.  It is a tiny town out in the  
boonies with good connections to Canadian roads.  East of the Rockies  
would be well served to enter that way and head west on the Trans  
Canada or Canada Hwy 1 IIRC.


On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:

In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible. At the  
same time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be  
heading straight north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on  
coming.


  I've got two ideas:

  1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from  
Sumas to Deadhorse:
   
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/ 
dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_Engi 
neID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0


  2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies  
 entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,   
these first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:
   
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/ 
dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_Engi 
neID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0


  Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps  
 there are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.


  Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two  
would caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.


  If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous  
point too.


  Thoughts, suggestions, feedback, better ideas?

  Thanks,

  Chris






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-1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen
-1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf
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-1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent
-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger

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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Hans Neureiter
Attached map, if it doesn't get stripped, shows a treck from OkieQ to
Prudhoe Bay @ 9,500 miles round trip. This is just about 2 1/2 weeks.
( - Winnipeg - Saskatoon - Edmonton - Whitehorse - Fairbanks - )

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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond
If we come, and its still a very big if, we won't start at Okieq, seems like 
that'd add something like an extra 1000 miles for us.
  So if we're in we'd probably plan to meet you folks somewhere en-route. Not 
sure if I'll be able to swing three weeks of vacation in one go and theres no 
way I'd make that kind of drive (10kmi?) in less than three weeks.
   
  -Curt, in MA
  '85 190D 233kmi
  '83 240D 249kmi
   
  Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:02:38 -0600
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most people who are far enough away to not want to start at the okieq 
are too far away anyways and probably wouldnt have come regardless.



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I so don't want to hear it. Tax on my '85 190D was $120!
   
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  Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:13:47 -0600
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Yup - it sure is.  Just paid for both when I registered the '90 300D
2.5 last month.
Here's the list from the receipts:

Title fee
Excise tax
Insurance fee
Mail fee
Notary fee (yes - the tile was notarized before I walked in)
Inspection fee
Registration fee
Waste tire fee

Most of these are between $1 and $5, but the excise tax was $118 
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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Christopher McCann
We could hook up on 90 or 94...think those might be highways you'd come across 
on that would intersect.
  
  Big if is understood on anything like this, esp when planned 1.5  years in 
advance. You may hit the lottery by then and pay for everyones  fuel :-)
  
  Chris

Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If  we come, and its still a very big 
if, we won't start at Okieq, seems  like that'd add something like an extra 
1000 miles for us.
  So if we're in we'd probably plan to meet you folks somewhere en-route.  Not 
sure if I'll be able to swing three weeks of vacation in one go and  theres no 
way I'd make that kind of drive (10kmi?) in less than three  weeks.
   
  -Curt, in MA
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  '83 240D 249kmi
   
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most people who are far enough away to not want to start at the okieq 
are too far away anyways and probably wouldnt have come regardless.


   
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What I was told is if you push the bumper down and let go, it should come u=
p
and stay there. If it bounces up and down  - needs new shocks.

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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Hans Neureiter
Everyones ? At that time fuel could be $ 5.00 a gal x 500 gallons for the
round trip x ,lets say, 20 cars : small change (50,000 bucks), might as well
throw in new set of tires for all survivors.
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On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We could hook up on 90 or 94...think those might be highways you'd come
 across on that would intersect.

 Big if is understood on anything like this, esp when planned 1.5  years
 in advance. You may hit the lottery by then and pay for everyones  fuel :-)

 Chris



Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Christopher McCann
My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a trailer of 
oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an accomplishment. He wants to stand 
next to the pipeline with a bottle  of Wesson oil and show the pipeline his 
third finger. Would make a  great picture - he should get Frybrid to thrown in 
some sponsorship  grease.
  
  Chris

Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Everyones ? At that time fuel could 
be $ 5.00 a gal x 500 gallons for the
round trip x ,lets say, 20 cars : small change (50,000 bucks), might as well
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On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:

 We could hook up on 90 or 94...think those might be highways you'd come
 across on that would intersect.

 Big if is understood on anything like this, esp when planned 1.5  years
 in advance. You may hit the lottery by then and pay for everyones  fuel :-)

 Chris

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Now, first off I think that would be cool.  I thought of something similar
for my planned trip to Florida, but it's too much work and I don't trust th=
e
Benz/veggie enough given past experience.

BUT as far as this trip is concerned...
That would be quite the load with around 400 gallons of oil on back there
What's that like another 2800lbs not counting the rather heavy/stout traile=
r
to haul it?...  Especially once you started using some and you had a 2000lb=
s
of sloshing oil back there.
Also I'm not sure how cold it's going to be at various times you'd be
driving...  The biodiesel I heard mentioned before would probably be good
till around freezing...
With the frybrid, the car should run ok if it's set up well for some pretty
cold temps, however, if it's bad oil, it's going to be a nightmare to pump
at below about 80 degrees.  Even if it's good oil, make sure you don't need
to pump it (like from the tank to the car) below freezing, or have some goo=
d
heater to liquify it first.  (though the cold would solve the sloshing part
mentioned earlier...)

Good Luck!
Levi (:


On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a
 trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an accomplishment. He
 wants to stand

Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Hans Neureiter
We should stop at every Greasy Spoon along the route and get what they have.
He would not need a trailer, just a fiew 5 gal jugs in the trunk..
--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D


On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a
 trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an accomplishment. He
 wants to stand next to the pipeline with a bottle  of Wesson oil and show
 the pipeline his third finger. Would make a  great picture - he should get
 Frybrid to thrown in some sponsorship  grease.

 Chris



Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Levi Smith
As long as they have it ready to go without any water in the oil and you
have a good on-board filtering setup...

Levi (:

On 12/13/05, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We should stop at every Greasy Spoon along the route and get what they
 have.
 He would not need a trailer, just a fiew 5 gal jugs in the trunk..
 --
 Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
 '82 300SD, '95 E300D


 On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a
  trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an accomplishment.
 He
  wants to stand next to the pipeline with a bottle  of Wesson oil and
 show
  the pipeline his third finger. Would make a  great picture - he should
 get
  Frybrid to thrown in some sponsorship  grease.
 
  Chris
 
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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey

Especially once you started using some and you had a 2000lbs
of sloshing oil back there.


It'd probably be jugs, not one big tank.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Hans Neureiter
My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a
trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite an accomplishment.

There is a different approach. Take out the rear seat and tank and lay a 4'
x 6' x 18 tall bladder tank in this space. Holds just at 400 gallons.
Addition of double coil springs and 7-ply rear tires will be necessary,
getting to the spare a PTA. But all doable. I am serious (lol). The last
couple k miles from home will also be a bit rough ride.

--
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D

On 12/13/05, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Especially once you started using some and you had a 2000lbs
  of sloshing oil back there.

 It'd probably be jugs, not one big tank.

 -- Jim





Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Luther Gulseth
I have a filter on the fly setup that only lacks a 50-100micron screen at the 
inlet.  I use 2 filters-both are Wix.  1 is a standard GM fuel filter/water 
separator and the other is a standard hydraulic filter to 5micron.  I pump 
gravity settled oil through these filters and into the car.  If there was a 
50-100micron screen at the beginning of this setup, it would be completely 
self-contained and portable.

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As long as they have it ready to go without any water in the oil and you
have a good on-board filtering setup...

Levi (:



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doable with trailer, large grease supply, on the fly filtration and primarily 
the TIME to do it - don't think it's gonna happen.
  
  Chris

Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  We should stop at every Greasy Spoon 
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On 12/13/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:

 My co-worker is considering taking his frybrid  equipped 300D with a
 trailer of oil. 10,000 miles on WVO would be quite  an accomplishment. He
 wants to stand next to the pipeline with a bottle  of Wesson oil and show
 the pipeline his third finger. Would make a  great picture - he should get
 Frybrid to thrown in some sponsorship  grease.

 Chris

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how fast does it filter?
  
  Chris

Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I  have a filter on the fly setup 
that only lacks a 50-100micron screen  at the inlet. I use 2 filters-both are 
Wix. 1 is a standard GM fuel  filter/water separator and the other is a 
standard hydraulic filter to  5micron. I pump gravity settled oil through these 
filters and into the  car. If there was a 50-100micron screen at the beginning 
of this setup,  it would be completely self-contained and portable.

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As long as they have it ready to go without any water in the oil and you
have

[MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-12 Thread Christopher McCann
In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible. At the same 
time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be heading straight 
north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on coming. 
  
  I've got two ideas:
  
  1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from Sumas to 
Deadhorse:
  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0
  
  2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies  
entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,  these 
first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:
  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0
  
  Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps  there 
are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.
  
  Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two would 
caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.
  
  If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous point too.
  
  Thoughts, suggestions, feedback, better ideas?
  
  Thanks,
  
  Chris
  
  
  
  


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Can you tell where it is leaking from on the tranny? A cold rubber seal may
leak until it warms up and softens to the point where it fits a bit better.
Have a look at the tailshaft seal for starters.

Randy

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Lee Einer wrote:
 OK, the Benz now runs fairly nice with new glow plugs, new injector, new
 fuel filters. A block heater from DieselGiant is on its way for the
 colder winter days. But it seems another problem has developed.

 The Benz (1980 300CD, auto trans) piddles transmission fluid onto the
 driveway when it is started cold. This did not begin to happen until we
 had the cold days here, and it does not seem to persist once the car is
 warmed up.

 Is this common? How to fix?



Are you SURE the transmission isn't overfilled (can only be checked
after driving for 15-20 minutes - will read low to VERY low if checked
cold - if filled to even the low mark when cold, it will be WAY
overfilled) and the vent (on top) isn't plugged? On some transmissions
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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-12 Thread Bob Rentfro

Christopher worried:

At the same time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be 
heading straight north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on coming. 



I really don't mind driving over to Okie-Q first as a starting point.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Subject: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point


In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible.

 I've got two ideas:

 1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from Sumas 
to Deadhorse:

 
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

 2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies 
entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,  these 
first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:

 
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

 Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps 
there are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.


 Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two would 
caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.


 If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous point 
too.


 Thoughts, suggestions, feedback, better ideas?

 Thanks,

 Chris






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