Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
Is that when the warranty expires? On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 11:20 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It’s the million mile engine > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On Dec 17, 2023, at 10:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > My '85 300SD has the 617 engine, right? I don't believe there is any > > theoretical limit to its longevity. > > > >> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 7:57 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> yes great list of diesel engines. I have had 616, 617, & 602. > >> > >> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 7:22 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go….. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a > >>> problem stretching and breaking. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250. > >>> This is > > only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec.. > > > >> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer > >>> ones > >> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I > >> would > >> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make > >>> frequent > >> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly > >>> short > >> errands they are the wrong choice. > >> > >> > >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Or simply stick with a gasser. > >>> > >>> I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel > >>> any > >>> more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and > DEF > >>> crapola? > >>> > >>> AZBob > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to > >> avoid DEF. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right > >>> now, > >> many of them reasonably priced. > > Steer clear? > > I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He > maintains, > >> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > > The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be > >>> deliberate. > >> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially > if > >>> I get > >> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a > >> trailer. > > > > Here we go. > > > > AZBob > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
It’s the million mile engine --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 17, 2023, at 10:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > My '85 300SD has the 617 engine, right? I don't believe there is any > theoretical limit to its longevity. > >> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 7:57 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> yes great list of diesel engines. I have had 616, 617, & 602. >> >> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 7:22 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go….. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a >>> problem stretching and breaking. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250. >>> This is > only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec.. > >> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer >>> ones >> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I >> would >> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make >>> frequent >> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly >>> short >> errands they are the wrong choice. >> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >>> Or simply stick with a gasser. >>> >>> I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel >>> any >>> more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF >>> crapola? >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to >> avoid DEF. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right >>> now, >> many of them reasonably priced. > Steer clear? > I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, >> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be >>> deliberate. >> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if >>> I get >> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a >> trailer. > > Here we go. > > AZBob >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
My '85 300SD has the 617 engine, right? I don't believe there is any theoretical limit to its longevity. On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 7:57 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > yes great list of diesel engines. I have had 616, 617, & 602. > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 7:22 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go….. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a > > problem stretching and breaking. > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250. > > This is > > >> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec.. > > >> > > >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer > > ones > > >>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I > would > > >>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make > > frequent > > >>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly > > short > > >>> errands they are the wrong choice. > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > > Or simply stick with a gasser. > > > > I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel > > any > > more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF > > crapola? > > > > AZBob > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to > > >>> avoid DEF. > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right > > now, > > >>> many of them reasonably priced. > > >> Steer clear? > > >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, > > >>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > > >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be > > deliberate. > > >>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if > > I get > > >>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a > > >>> trailer. > > >> > > >> Here we go. > > >> > > >> AZBob > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >>> > > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
yes great list of diesel engines. I have had 616, 617, & 602. On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 7:22 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go….. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a > problem stretching and breaking. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250. > This is > >> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec.. > >> > >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer > ones > >>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would > >>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make > frequent > >>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly > short > >>> errands they are the wrong choice. > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > Or simply stick with a gasser. > > I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel > any > more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF > crapola? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to > >>> avoid DEF. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right > now, > >>> many of them reasonably priced. > >> Steer clear? > >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, > >>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be > deliberate. > >>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if > I get > >>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a > >>> trailer. > >> > >> Here we go. > >> > >> AZBob > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go….. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a problem > stretching and breaking. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250. This is >> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec.. >> >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones >>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would >>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent >>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short >>> errands they are the wrong choice. >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: Or simply stick with a gasser. I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF crapola? AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to >>> avoid DEF. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, >>> many of them reasonably priced. >> Steer clear? >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, >>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. >>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get >>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a >>> trailer. >> >> Here we go. >> >> AZBob >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a problem stretching and breaking. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250. This is > only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec.. > >> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones >> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would >> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent >> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short >> errands they are the wrong choice. >> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >>> Or simply stick with a gasser. >>> >>> I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any >>> more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF >>> crapola? >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to >> avoid DEF. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, >> many of them reasonably priced. > Steer clear? > I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, >> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. >> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get >> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a >> trailer. > > Here we go. > > AZBob >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250. This is only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec.. On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones > with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would > avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent > long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short > errands they are the wrong choice. > > > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > > Or simply stick with a gasser. > > > > I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any > > more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF > > crapola? > > > > AZBob > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to > avoid DEF. > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, > many of them reasonably priced. > >>> Steer clear? > >>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, > that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > >>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. > I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get > some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a > trailer. > >>> > >>> Here we go. > >>> > >>> AZBob > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short errands they are the wrong choice. On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > Or simply stick with a gasser. > > I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any > more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF > crapola? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many >>> of them reasonably priced. >>> Steer clear? >>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that >>> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. >>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m >>> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get >>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a >>> trailer. >>> >>> Here we go. >>> >>> AZBob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
That and the highly unlikely possibility that diesel fuel cost will ever remotely be equal to or lower than gasoline? I mean, if you’re driving a GTI with a 5-speed stick, OK, I get it, but for the average driver and vehicle, economy is no longer a significant issue. -D > On Dec 16, 2023, at 5:36 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Or simply stick with a gasser. > > I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any more, > especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF crapola? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many >>> of them reasonably priced. >>> Steer clear? >>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that >>> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. >>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m >>> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get >>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a >>> trailer. >>> >>> Here we go. >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
The gassers of those years eat up timing chains and balance shafts. I guess pick your poison. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Or simply stick with a gasser. > > I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any more, > especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF crapola? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many >>> of them reasonably priced. >>> Steer clear? >>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that >>> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. >>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m >>> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get >>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a >>> trailer. >>> >>> Here we go. >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
Or simply stick with a gasser. I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF crapola? AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many >> of them reasonably priced. >> Steer clear? >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that >> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m >> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get some >> type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a trailer. >> >> Here we go. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to avoid DEF. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many of > them reasonably priced. > Steer clear? > I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that among > Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m > not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get some > type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a trailer. > > Here we go. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
They are fine, but be prepared to deal with oil cooler seals or pay someone, I’m in the middle of my 2nd one as well speak. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many of > them reasonably priced. > Steer clear? > I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that among > Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m > not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get some > type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a trailer. > > Here we go. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
Facelift done by Beverly Hills-certified German engineers. On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 3:57 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Facelift model? > > Be careful about trailer hitches on 2006 and later MBs. They will > typically require some serious modifications to add one if it can even be > done. In other words, if you want a car with a trailer hitch, unless it’s a > W163 (98-05 MLs), make sure it’s already got one. > > -D > > > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Get a 2014-15 if you can. That was a mid-model makeover. Very nicely > > improved. > > > > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 2:30 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, > many > >> of them reasonably priced. > >> Steer clear? > >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that > >> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. > I’m > >> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get > >> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a > >> trailer. > >> > >> Here we go. > >> > >> AZBob > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
Facelift model? Be careful about trailer hitches on 2006 and later MBs. They will typically require some serious modifications to add one if it can even be done. In other words, if you want a car with a trailer hitch, unless it’s a W163 (98-05 MLs), make sure it’s already got one. -D > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Get a 2014-15 if you can. That was a mid-model makeover. Very nicely > improved. > > On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 2:30 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many >> of them reasonably priced. >> Steer clear? >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that >> among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m >> not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get >> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a >> trailer. >> >> Here we go. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs
Get a 2014-15 if you can. That was a mid-model makeover. Very nicely improved. On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 2:30 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many > of them reasonably priced. > Steer clear? > I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that > among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. > The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m > not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get > some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a > trailer. > > Here we go. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BlueTecs
There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now, many of them reasonably priced. Steer clear? I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He maintains, that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350. The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate. I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a trailer. Here we go. AZBob Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
