Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-11 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
yup.   While our old MBs can run on up to 50% Benzin, it is not 
recommended, except in extremely cold situations.  LIke -30 to -40 ºF.   
A JD, cat,  or Perkins (MF or marine or other) or Allis chalmers of the 
same vintage would blow the head off.


G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 3/11/20 3:20 PM:

Best advice I can offer is, "IF in doubt, pump it out."

The cost of pumping out the tank and disposal is small compared to trying
to run a late model diesel truck on gasoline.  If it is a computer
controlled diesel with EPA systems, multiple sensors will take damage and
all of the items are expensive to replace and repair costs far exceed just
pumping out the tank.

Suggestion: Purchase a low pressure 12v fuel pump, fittings and polly line
[ace hardware has it in bulk, it's a use one time and discard item anyway...
Connect the aux 12v pump into the tank pickup tube and pump the offending
fuel in to a suitable container.
Refil tank with fresh diesel, change the fuel filter [s] and drive on.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:52 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:




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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
Best advice I can offer is, "IF in doubt, pump it out."

The cost of pumping out the tank and disposal is small compared to trying
to run a late model diesel truck on gasoline.  If it is a computer
controlled diesel with EPA systems, multiple sensors will take damage and
all of the items are expensive to replace and repair costs far exceed just
pumping out the tank.

Suggestion: Purchase a low pressure 12v fuel pump, fittings and polly line
[ace hardware has it in bulk, it's a use one time and discard item anyway...
Connect the aux 12v pump into the tank pickup tube and pump the offending
fuel in to a suitable container.
Refil tank with fresh diesel, change the fuel filter [s] and drive on.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:52 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is like a Ted seminar.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:38 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  Mythbusters proved that getting actual gasoline to light is surprisingly
> > difficult. The fumes on the other hand...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:53:03 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  I forgot - you can fill a can with gasoline and drop a match in and
> it'll
> > go out - Dad proved that point once. Liquid fuels need to vaporize to
> burn.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 10:50 PM OK Don  wrote:
> >
> > > Two things - one, Diesel burns, or our engines wouldn't run. Two, a
> > > neighbor - an old farmer - burns piles of trees that he's cleared by
> > > pouring a couple of quarts of Diesel on the pile, and setting it on
> fire
> > > with one of those long lighters.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I now remember an instance in which diesel fuel did burn.  There was a
> > >> terrible wreck just outside of DC about 20 years ago involving a
> Diesel
> > >> powered train on the commuter line. The tank ruptured and since it was
> > >> under pressure, the fuel burned fiercely, incinerating 10 people
> inside
> > >> one
> > >> of the cars. It was one of the most awful accidents ever in this area.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 7:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I like this.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks!
> > >> >
> > >> > -D
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > OR, with any cylindrical vessel; make a mark, fill with water to
> the
> > >> > mark, weigh. Empty and dry carefully, fill with unknown to line,
> > weigh.
> > >> > Weight of unknown over weight of water= s.g. of unknown.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Greg
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -Original Message-
> > >> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > >> Greg
> > >> > Fiorentino via Mercedes
> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:51 PM
> > >> > > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> > >> > > Cc: Greg Fiorentino
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or
> some
> > >> > other accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific
> gravity,
> > >> then
> > >> > check against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools;
> > plus
> > >> > former chem major and lab worker.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Greg
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -Original Message-
> > >> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > >> > dan--- via Mercedes
> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:21 AM
> > >> > > To: Mercedes List
> > >> > > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > >> > > Subject: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a
> > >> Dodge, I
> > >> > believe. H

Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
This is like a Ted seminar.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:38 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Mythbusters proved that getting actual gasoline to light is surprisingly
> difficult. The fumes on the other hand...
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:53:03 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I forgot - you can fill a can with gasoline and drop a match in and it'll
> go out - Dad proved that point once. Liquid fuels need to vaporize to burn.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 10:50 PM OK Don  wrote:
>
> > Two things - one, Diesel burns, or our engines wouldn't run. Two, a
> > neighbor - an old farmer - burns piles of trees that he's cleared by
> > pouring a couple of quarts of Diesel on the pile, and setting it on fire
> > with one of those long lighters.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I now remember an instance in which diesel fuel did burn.  There was a
> >> terrible wreck just outside of DC about 20 years ago involving a Diesel
> >> powered train on the commuter line. The tank ruptured and since it was
> >> under pressure, the fuel burned fiercely, incinerating 10 people inside
> >> one
> >> of the cars. It was one of the most awful accidents ever in this area.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 7:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I like this.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > -D
> >> >
> >> > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > OR, with any cylindrical vessel; make a mark, fill with water to the
> >> > mark, weigh. Empty and dry carefully, fill with unknown to line,
> weigh.
> >> > Weight of unknown over weight of water= s.g. of unknown.
> >> > >
> >> > > Greg
> >> > >
> >> > > -Original Message-
> >> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Greg
> >> > Fiorentino via Mercedes
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:51 PM
> >> > > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> >> > > Cc: Greg Fiorentino
> >> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
> >> > >
> >> > > I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or some
> >> > other accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific gravity,
> >> then
> >> > check against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools;
> plus
> >> > former chem major and lab worker.
> >> > >
> >> > > Greg
> >> > >
> >> > > -Original Message-
> >> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> > dan--- via Mercedes
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:21 AM
> >> > > To: Mercedes List
> >> > > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> >> > > Subject: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
> >> > >
> >> > > Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a
> >> Dodge, I
> >> > believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not
> sure,
> >> and
> >> > if so how much.
> >> > >
> >> > > Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in
> >> it,
> >> > and/or the concentration?
> >> > >
> >> > > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 Mythbusters proved that getting actual gasoline to light is surprisingly 
difficult. The fumes on the other hand...

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 11:53:03 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I forgot - you can fill a can with gasoline and drop a match in and it'll
go out - Dad proved that point once. Liquid fuels need to vaporize to burn.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 10:50 PM OK Don  wrote:

> Two things - one, Diesel burns, or our engines wouldn't run. Two, a
> neighbor - an old farmer - burns piles of trees that he's cleared by
> pouring a couple of quarts of Diesel on the pile, and setting it on fire
> with one of those long lighters.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I now remember an instance in which diesel fuel did burn.  There was a
>> terrible wreck just outside of DC about 20 years ago involving a Diesel
>> powered train on the commuter line. The tank ruptured and since it was
>> under pressure, the fuel burned fiercely, incinerating 10 people inside
>> one
>> of the cars. It was one of the most awful accidents ever in this area.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 7:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I like this.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > -D
>> >
>> > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > OR, with any cylindrical vessel; make a mark, fill with water to the
>> > mark, weigh. Empty and dry carefully, fill with unknown to line, weigh.
>> > Weight of unknown over weight of water= s.g. of unknown.
>> > >
>> > > Greg
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Greg
>> > Fiorentino via Mercedes
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:51 PM
>> > > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
>> > > Cc: Greg Fiorentino
>> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
>> > >
>> > > I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or some
>> > other accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific gravity,
>> then
>> > check against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools; plus
>> > former chem major and lab worker.
>> > >
>> > > Greg
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> > dan--- via Mercedes
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:21 AM
>> > > To: Mercedes List
>> > > Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> > > Subject: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
>> > >
>> > > Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a
>> Dodge, I
>> > believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure,
>> and
>> > if so how much.
>> > >
>> > > Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in
>> it,
>> > and/or the concentration?
>> > >
>> > > -D
>> > >
>> > > ___
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 

I'll never try that one. But I'll do it with Diesel any time.


OK Don via Mercedes 
March 10, 2020 at 10:52 PM
I forgot - you can fill a can with gasoline and drop a match in and it'll
go out - Dad proved that point once. Liquid fuels need to vaporize to 
burn.






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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
Right, and the wood acts as a wick.   But if you throw a lit match in a 
pool of Diesel, the match goes out.   Unless there is some heat (or 
pressure) to vaporize the diesel.   Oil burners atomize the fuel under 
pressure,  then it burns. Diesel engines inject atomized fuel under high 
heat and pressure, and it burns.



OK Don via Mercedes 
March 10, 2020 at 10:50 PM
Two things - one, Diesel burns, or our engines wouldn't run. Two, a
neighbor - an old farmer - burns piles of trees that he's cleared by
pouring a couple of quarts of Diesel on the pile, and setting it on fire
with one of those long lighters.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <



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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
I forgot - you can fill a can with gasoline and drop a match in and it'll
go out - Dad proved that point once. Liquid fuels need to vaporize to burn.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 10:50 PM OK Don  wrote:

> Two things - one, Diesel burns, or our engines wouldn't run. Two, a
> neighbor - an old farmer - burns piles of trees that he's cleared by
> pouring a couple of quarts of Diesel on the pile, and setting it on fire
> with one of those long lighters.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I now remember an instance in which diesel fuel did burn.  There was a
>> terrible wreck just outside of DC about 20 years ago involving a Diesel
>> powered train on the commuter line. The tank ruptured and since it was
>> under pressure, the fuel burned fiercely, incinerating 10 people inside
>> one
>> of the cars. It was one of the most awful accidents ever in this area.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 7:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I like this.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > -D
>> >
>> > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > OR, with any cylindrical vessel; make a mark, fill with water to the
>> > mark, weigh. Empty and dry carefully, fill with unknown to line, weigh.
>> > Weight of unknown over weight of water= s.g. of unknown.
>> > >
>> > > Greg
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Greg
>> > Fiorentino via Mercedes
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:51 PM
>> > > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
>> > > Cc: Greg Fiorentino
>> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
>> > >
>> > > I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or some
>> > other accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific gravity,
>> then
>> > check against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools; plus
>> > former chem major and lab worker.
>> > >
>> > > Greg
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> > dan--- via Mercedes
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:21 AM
>> > > To: Mercedes List
>> > > Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> > > Subject: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
>> > >
>> > > Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a
>> Dodge, I
>> > believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure,
>> and
>> > if so how much.
>> > >
>> > > Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in
>> it,
>> > and/or the concentration?
>> > >
>> > > -D
>> > >
>> > > ___
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
Two things - one, Diesel burns, or our engines wouldn't run. Two, a
neighbor - an old farmer - burns piles of trees that he's cleared by
pouring a couple of quarts of Diesel on the pile, and setting it on fire
with one of those long lighters.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I now remember an instance in which diesel fuel did burn.  There was a
> terrible wreck just outside of DC about 20 years ago involving a Diesel
> powered train on the commuter line. The tank ruptured and since it was
> under pressure, the fuel burned fiercely, incinerating 10 people inside one
> of the cars. It was one of the most awful accidents ever in this area.
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 7:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I like this.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > OR, with any cylindrical vessel; make a mark, fill with water to the
> > mark, weigh. Empty and dry carefully, fill with unknown to line, weigh.
> > Weight of unknown over weight of water= s.g. of unknown.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Greg
> > Fiorentino via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:51 PM
> > > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> > > Cc: Greg Fiorentino
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
> > >
> > > I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or some
> > other accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific gravity,
> then
> > check against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools; plus
> > former chem major and lab worker.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > dan--- via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:21 AM
> > > To: Mercedes List
> > > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > > Subject: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
> > >
> > > Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge,
> I
> > believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure,
> and
> > if so how much.
> > >
> > > Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in
> it,
> > and/or the concentration?
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
I now remember an instance in which diesel fuel did burn.  There was a
terrible wreck just outside of DC about 20 years ago involving a Diesel
powered train on the commuter line. The tank ruptured and since it was
under pressure, the fuel burned fiercely, incinerating 10 people inside one
of the cars. It was one of the most awful accidents ever in this area.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 7:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I like this.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > OR, with any cylindrical vessel; make a mark, fill with water to the
> mark, weigh. Empty and dry carefully, fill with unknown to line, weigh.
> Weight of unknown over weight of water= s.g. of unknown.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> > I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or some
> other accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific gravity, then
> check against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools; plus
> former chem major and lab worker.
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> > Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, I
> believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure, and
> if so how much.
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> > Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in it,
> and/or the concentration?
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
I like this.

Thanks!

-D

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OR, with any cylindrical vessel; make a mark, fill with water to the mark, 
> weigh. Empty and dry carefully, fill with unknown to line, weigh. Weight of 
> unknown over weight of water= s.g. of unknown.
> 
> Greg
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
> 
> I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or some other 
> accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific gravity, then check 
> against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools; plus former chem 
> major and lab worker.
> 
> Greg
> 
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> Subject: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel
> 
> Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, I 
> believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure, and 
> if so how much.
> 
> Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in it, 
> and/or the concentration?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
OR, with any cylindrical vessel; make a mark, fill with water to the mark, 
weigh. Empty and dry carefully, fill with unknown to line, weigh. Weight of 
unknown over weight of water= s.g. of unknown.

Greg

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Cc: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or some other 
accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific gravity, then check 
against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools; plus former chem 
major and lab worker.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, I 
believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure, and if 
so how much.

Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in it, and/or 
the concentration?

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
I think the best method would be to get a graduated cylinder or some other 
accurate measure and weigh a sample to get the specific gravity, then check 
against the values for each fuel. I brew, so have the tools; plus former chem 
major and lab worker.

Greg

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Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, I 
believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure, and if 
so how much.

Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in it, and/or 
the concentration?

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 

On 10/03/2020 1:21 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, I 
believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure, and if 
so how much.

Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in it, and/or 
the concentration?

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 Kerosene isn't a ton more volatile than diesel but I'll agree with you that it 
is more volatile. I've tried to burn diesel in a lantern before, it'll work but 
it needs a ton of preheat, like 2-3x as much as kerosene does. Kero requires 
about 5x more preheat than gasoline/white gas.
I've cleaned up kero spills on the gas grill with the torch before, it just 
evaporates...

-Curt

On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 5:25:46 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Kerosene is more volatile than #2D.  DO an experiment.  Cover the bottom 
of a tin can with 1/2" of Diesel fuel.   Throw a lit wooden match in the 
fuel.  Tell us what happens.

> Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> March 10, 2020 at 3:40 PM
> Google the video of the tanker truck of jet fuel that tipped over and
> caught on fire on an Indianapolis interstate a few weeks ago. It burns,
> it really does.
>
> JET-A is basically diesel/kerosene.
>
> Allan
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
Kerosene is more volatile than #2D.  DO an experiment.  Cover the bottom 
of a tin can with 1/2" of Diesel fuel.   Throw a lit wooden match in the 
fuel.  Tell us what happens.



Allan Streib via Mercedes 
March 10, 2020 at 3:40 PM
Google the video of the tanker truck of jet fuel that tipped over and
caught on fire on an Indianapolis interstate a few weeks ago. It burns,
it really does.

JET-A is basically diesel/kerosene.

Allan





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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
Google the video of the tanker truck of jet fuel that tipped over and
caught on fire on an Indianapolis interstate a few weeks ago. It burns,
it really does.

JET-A is basically diesel/kerosene.

Allan


Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  Besides which if the fire has burnt down to coals at all the diesel will 
> still burn.
> Diesel burns, it doesn't burn the way gasoline does but it does burn...
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 4:00:05 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  Uh no!  that would be dangerous if it has any gasoline in it.   I would 
> not do that even with pure Diesel.
>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> March 10, 2020 at 2:01 PM
>> 1. Light a fire in a firepit.
>>
>> 2. Siphon fuel out of the tank and pour on the fire. If the flames
>> extinguish, it's diesel.
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
*Uh no!  that would be dangerous if it has any gasoline in it.   I would
not do that even with pure Diesel.*

Both of you - lighten up (no pun intended).  What I suggested was meant
facetiously.

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>  Besides which if the fire has burnt down to coals at all the diesel will
> still burn.
> Diesel burns, it doesn't burn the way gasoline does but it does burn...
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 4:00:05 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Uh no!  that would be dangerous if it has any gasoline in it.   I would
> not do that even with pure Diesel.
>
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > March 10, 2020 at 2:01 PM
> > 1. Light a fire in a firepit.
> >
> > 2. Siphon fuel out of the tank and pour on the fire. If the flames
> > extinguish, it's diesel.
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 Besides which if the fire has burnt down to coals at all the diesel will still 
burn.
Diesel burns, it doesn't burn the way gasoline does but it does burn...
-Curt

On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 4:00:05 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Uh no!  that would be dangerous if it has any gasoline in it.   I would 
not do that even with pure Diesel.

> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> March 10, 2020 at 2:01 PM
> 1. Light a fire in a firepit.
>
> 2. Siphon fuel out of the tank and pour on the fire. If the flames
> extinguish, it's diesel.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
Uh no!  that would be dangerous if it has any gasoline in it.   I would 
not do that even with pure Diesel.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
March 10, 2020 at 2:01 PM
1. Light a fire in a firepit.

2. Siphon fuel out of the tank and pour on the fire. If the flames
extinguish, it's diesel.



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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
SMell it.   Gasoline stinks.   you could get some indication of 
concentration by putting a tsp on the ground and throwing a match at 
it.   It is whoofs and burns quickly, it is mostly gasoline.   If the 
match goes out and the fuel does not burn, it is Diesel.   a mixture 
will be somewhere in between.



dan--- via Mercedes 
March 10, 2020 at 1:21 PM
Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, 
I believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not 
sure, and if so how much.


Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in 
it, and/or the concentration?


-D

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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
1. Light a fire in a firepit.

2. Siphon fuel out of the tank and pour on the fire.  If the flames
extinguish, it's diesel.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:39 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Pour a small sample into a tin can, see if it will light with a match.
> Compare with test of pure diesel, which should not light.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:35 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> > A match?
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
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> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:22 PM dan--- via Mercedes <
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> > > Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge,
> I
> > > believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure,
> > and
> > > if so how much.
> > >
> > > Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in
> it,
> > > and/or the concentration?
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
Pour a small sample into a tin can, see if it will light with a match.
Compare with test of pure diesel, which should not light.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> A match?
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:22 PM dan--- via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, I
> > believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure,
> and
> > if so how much.
> >
> > Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in it,
> > and/or the concentration?
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
A match?
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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> Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, I
> believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure, and
> if so how much.
>
> Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in it,
> and/or the concentration?
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
With a fresh nose, smell the filler neck.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Gasoline in Diesel

2020-03-10 Thread dan--- via Mercedes 
Buddy across the street has a late model diesel pickup truck, a Dodge, I 
believe. He thinks his kid filled it up with gasoline, but is not sure, and if 
so how much.

Is there any way he can test the fuel to see if it’s got gasoline in it, and/or 
the concentration?

-D

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