Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I was a chem major until I realized I didn't want to be cooped up all
afternoon in a lab...

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> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:39:39 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
>  wrote:
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> > Carbonates are neutralized by H2SO4.
>
> Yes, and make carbon dioxide and other things.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:39:39 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
 wrote:

> Carbonates are neutralized by H2SO4.

Yes, and make carbon dioxide and other things.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Carbonates are neutralized by H2SO4.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
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> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:21:44 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Those Icelandic eruptions are pretty nasty too, belching out plumes of
> > abrasive dust that grounds aircraft in Europe for weeks.
>
> Along with the abrasive dust are nice benign things like sulphuric acid,
> not to mention lots of carbonates and carbon dioxide.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:21:44 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Those Icelandic eruptions are pretty nasty too, belching out plumes of
> abrasive dust that grounds aircraft in Europe for weeks.

Along with the abrasive dust are nice benign things like sulphuric acid,
not to mention lots of carbonates and carbon dioxide.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The Europeans need to pass regulations and taxes on the volcanoes, like 
they do for everything else.  That should deal with it all effectively.


--R



On 3/21/15 1:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Those Icelandic eruptions are pretty nasty too, belching out plumes of
abrasive dust that grounds aircraft in Europe for weeks.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Andy sez:  Well, if Krakatoa blows again all bets are off - until the dust

settles..


Forget the big ones. I'd bet Puu O'o has put out more pollution in the
past 30 years than all the wood and fossil fuels ever burned. And that is a
fairly benign volcano.   When the big ones blow, as andrew sez:  all bets
are off, but they never seem to be as bad an impact as the fearmongers
predict.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Those Icelandic eruptions are pretty nasty too, belching out plumes of
abrasive dust that grounds aircraft in Europe for weeks.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andy sez:  Well, if Krakatoa blows again all bets are off - until the dust
>> settles..
>>
>
> Forget the big ones. I'd bet Puu O'o has put out more pollution in the
> past 30 years than all the wood and fossil fuels ever burned. And that is a
> fairly benign volcano.   When the big ones blow, as andrew sez:  all bets
> are off, but they never seem to be as bad an impact as the fearmongers
> predict.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Andy sez:  Well, if Krakatoa blows again all bets are off - until 
the dust settles..


Forget the big ones. I'd bet Puu O'o has put out more pollution in 
the past 30 years than all the wood and fossil fuels ever burned. 
And that is a fairly benign volcano.   When the big ones blow, as 
andrew sez:  all bets are off, but they never seem to be as bad an 
impact as the fearmongers predict.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well, if Krakatoa blows again all bets are off - until the dust settles..

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:40 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Tambora blew in 1816 which lead to the loss of family farm.  Not krakatoa
>
> clay
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> On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
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> > On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:12:18 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?
> >
> > Krakatoa blew in August, 1883.
> >
> > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[clay via Mercedes]

Tambora blew in 1816 which lead to the loss of family farm.  Not krakatoa

clay

On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:12:18 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?
> 
> Krakatoa blew in August, 1883.
> 
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[clay via Mercedes]

It sure did make for a year or two without summer in the 19th century.  Snow in 
July and massive crop failures.  Part of family history that caused us to move 
from MA westward when the farm failed.

clay

On Mar 19, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

> From: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?
> 
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> 
>> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:01:58 -0400
>> To: diese...@pisquared.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> 
>> Only if we enter an age of extreme volcanism.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of
>>>> oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as
>>>> they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade
>>>> them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.
>>> 
>>> Volcanoes dwarf anything man could think of doing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Ad hominem occurs from both political persuasions.
There are zero solutions, however, we could agree that we are persons
that all desire to continue to live.  Those with money cannot continue
to make money if we do not purchase stuff, yet, we all need to
purchase stuff.  I drive a 30 year old used car and buy used USA made
stuff on purpose.  On purpose I do not purchase items made in china.
The Empire is dead.  USA and tenticles worldwide make the Empire a
world failure.
Again, there is zero solution.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Eighteen hundred and froze to death?

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

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Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:31:31 +




Doh! CRS!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:01:50 -0600
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:12:18 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?
> 
> Krakatoa blew in August, 1883.
> 
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Let's see!  Where to begin?

Warmer is much better than colder (for the US).  The proposed solutions would 
seriously deteriorate the economic status of the poor and middle class (in the 
US).  The former head of the IPCC has admitted that this cause is a religion to 
him.  There are vast areas of the earth's surface for which we have no accurate 
temperature readings.  "Climate Science" is NOT a science in the sense that 
there have not been null hypotheses which have been controverted by data.  The 
issue has been heavily politicized by so called "progressives" and their fellow 
travelers of the press corps.  Data have been altered and cherry picked without 
transparent justification.

The leftist language police don't want to allow the use of the term "climate 
skeptic" but rather call us "deniers" in order to evoke images of Nazism and 
associate us with holocaust deniers; using the ad hominem approach since they 
lack actual scientific evidence for their chicken-little hysteria.

Don't get me started here!

Greg 

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Subject: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

Winter sets global heat record despite US East's big chill 
<http://click1.email.energyguardian.net/hsqfnsghmdjzbffszsbjczmnwszhbwnpdpqwdqbsvhhnn_kttdmlmdl.html?a=12543>

WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal records show that this winter and the first two 
months of 2015 were the hottest on record globally, with a chilly U.S. East 
sticking out like a cold thumb in a toastier world.

At nearly 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit above 20th century average, last month was the 
second warmest February on record globally, slightly behind 1998.

But the combined January and February temperature beat the old record for the 
first two months set in 2002. December through February broke the 
meteorological winter record set in 2007.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration records go back to 1880.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:12:18 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?

Krakatoa blew in August, 1883.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

From: fredh.s...@hotmail.com




Didn't Krakatoa induce a mini ice age in the early middle ages?

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:01:58 -0400
> To: diese...@pisquared.net; mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> Only if we enter an age of extreme volcanism.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of
> > > oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as
> > > they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade
> > > them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.
> >
> > Volcanoes dwarf anything man could think of doing.
> >
> >
> > Craig

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Only if we enter an age of extreme volcanism.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of
> > oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as
> > they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade
> > them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.
>
> Volcanoes dwarf anything man could think of doing.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 10:51:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of
> oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as
> they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade
> them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.

Volcanoes dwarf anything man could think of doing.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

And selling them our oil doesn't help either.

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> On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil 
> consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they are. 
> Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade them not to 
> pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 19/03/2015 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the chaff.  
>> First is whether the planet is warming up.  Second is what the cause of (1) 
>> might be if it is happening.  Third then is what to do about it.
>> 
>> 1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some time, at 
>> least since the last ice age.
>> 
>> 2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans, 
>> volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then there 
>> is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile
>> 
>> 3) what annoys a lot of "deniers" is that the schemes so far seem to involve 
>> raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, campaign donors, 
>> turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in addition to various 
>> alternative energy and behavior schemes that might or might not involve the 
>> previously-mentioned miscreants and a diminishment of personal freedoms.
>> 
>> I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going to 
>> announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global warming 
>> emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and his lovely bride 
>> took separate big ol airplane rides out to California, to pretty much the 
>> same place at the same time, to be on 2 different TV shows.  Very Important 
>> Stuff.  Plus now she is over in Japan talking to school kids about Something 
>> Else Important no doubt, having taken the big ol airplane over again, and he 
>> has flown off again to do a campaign speech or fundraiser again or something 
>> equally important.  So, that sorta has an effect on my views on the matter...
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
>>> amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
>>> including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
>>> TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
>>> manipulation of data can skew results.
>>> I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own 
>>> eyes.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil 
consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they 
are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade them not 
to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us.


RB

On 19/03/2015 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the 
chaff.  First is whether the planet is warming up.  Second is what the 
cause of (1) might be if it is happening.  Third then is what to do 
about it.


1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some 
time, at least since the last ice age.


2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans, 
volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then 
there is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile


3) what annoys a lot of "deniers" is that the schemes so far seem to 
involve raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, 
campaign donors, turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in 
addition to various alternative energy and behavior schemes that might 
or might not involve the previously-mentioned miscreants and a 
diminishment of personal freedoms.


I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going 
to announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global 
warming emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and 
his lovely bride took separate big ol airplane rides out to 
California, to pretty much the same place at the same time, to be on 2 
different TV shows.  Very Important Stuff.  Plus now she is over in 
Japan talking to school kids about Something Else Important no doubt, 
having taken the big ol airplane over again, and he has flown off 
again to do a campaign speech or fundraiser again or something equally 
important.  So, that sorta has an effect on my views on the matter...


--R




On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a 
good amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to 
prove it including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which 
were published in TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no 
novice to how statistical manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my 
own eyes.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the 
chaff.  First is whether the planet is warming up.  Second is what the 
cause of (1) might be if it is happening.  Third then is what to do 
about it.


1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some time, 
at least since the last ice age.


2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans, 
volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then 
there is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile


3) what annoys a lot of "deniers" is that the schemes so far seem to 
involve raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, 
campaign donors, turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in 
addition to various alternative energy and behavior schemes that might 
or might not involve the previously-mentioned miscreants and a 
diminishment of personal freedoms.


I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going 
to announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global 
warming emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and his 
lovely bride took separate big ol airplane rides out to California, to 
pretty much the same place at the same time, to be on 2 different TV 
shows.  Very Important Stuff.  Plus now she is over in Japan talking to 
school kids about Something Else Important no doubt, having taken the 
big ol airplane over again, and he has flown off again to do a campaign 
speech or fundraiser again or something equally important.  So, that 
sorta has an effect on my views on the matter...


--R




On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:

I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own eyes.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Craig wrote:
>If I had nothing else to do (HA!), I >would detail more of the >prostituting
>of science in the name of that >political agenda.


‎It is all about passing "Cap and Trade", which is nothing but a massive 
transference of wealth from the middle and upper middle class to the ultra 
wealthy.
When it is passed it will raise fossil fuel prices (electricity, diesel fuel, 
gasoline) through the roof, and push whatever manufacturing is left in the US, 
overseas.  

Is the climate changing? 
Probably.  
Is Cap and Trade going to fix it?
Unless it can alter the earth's orbit, axis wobble, and solar activity, 
probably not. 

Notice I wrote "when" it is passed, not "if". They (the CO2 is climate change 
crowd) will get what they want, and after they do, they will be negatively 
affected them most. 
Poetic justice, comic irony, call it what you will, it will not be pretty. 

Interesting video. I hope everyone watches it. 

http://youtu.be/fVW9g9JVCY4

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Spoiler alert:  The moon walk was also a government con!

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In my mind what really seals it are two things: (1) the absolute demonizing
> and "*ad hominem" *attacks on those who question global warming, and (2)
> the attempts to suppress publication of scientific studies which don't
> support the global warming narrative.
>
> Add to that the proposed solutions all increase government, taxes,
> regulations, and energy costs for the consumer, CO2 is plant food and
> absolutely vital for life as we know it, and the climate has NEVER been
> stable, and it becomes quite easy to recognize the fraud and decide to
> fight it.
>
> -Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

In my mind what really seals it are two things: (1) the absolute demonizing
and "*ad hominem" *attacks on those who question global warming, and (2)
the attempts to suppress publication of scientific studies which don't
support the global warming narrative.

Add to that the proposed solutions all increase government, taxes,
regulations, and energy costs for the consumer, CO2 is plant food and
absolutely vital for life as we know it, and the climate has NEVER been
stable, and it becomes quite easy to recognize the fraud and decide to
fight it.

-Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good 
amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it 
including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in 
TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical 
manipulation of data can skew results.
I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own eyes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:58:14 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If
>> I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is
>> warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather
>> patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind.
> 
> Glad to see you are keeping your thinking cap on and aren't buying the
> Kool-Aid, Dimitri.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

So today and tomorrow are supermoons or something (the vernal equinox) 
so the morning tides are really high.  My back yard is flooded more than 
usual today (and downtown Charleston is probably a swamp too).  I am 
thinking that if we get a bit more sea level rise I could put in a dock 
and run my yaks right off the back deck instead of driving over to Capn 
Sams Inlet.  I want to grow some mangoes too, it is a bit too chilly 
here for that.


--R

On 3/19/15 9:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Meade, there is far more money being spent by the polluters to fund climate
change deniers.  I j ust hope you don't own any beach property.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:58:14 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If
> I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is
> warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather
> patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind.

Glad to see you are keeping your thinking cap on and aren't buying the
Kool-Aid, Dimitri.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:54:48 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Meade, there is far more money being spent by the polluters to fund
> climate change deniers.  I j ust hope you don't own any beach property.

Actually, Andrew, what he said is correct. The records are being cooked,
big time. There is a political agenda behind that activity.

If I had nothing else to do (HA!), I would detail more of the prostituting
of science in the name of that political agenda.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If I'm not 
experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is warming. 
I was on board with global warming until recent weather patterns have caused 
massive doubt in my mind.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research dollars
> flowing for global warming / climate change / anthropogenic global
> warming.  Past temperature data has either been adjusted to make the past
> colder (which means we MUST be warmer now, right) or past data which
> "doesn't fit the models predictions" is conveniently deleted from the
> computations...
> 
> https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/temperature-adjustments-at-uscrn1-stations/
> 
> In case you've missed this in the past, here is a list of 1000 REAL
> scientists who disagree with the contention that CO2 is going to destroy
> the earth:
> 
> http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf
> 
> If you don't care to read all 321 pages of that report, here's just a
> sample of what is inside:
> 
> "Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s
> (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of
> Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research,
> rejected
> man-made global warming fears in October 2009. Reid bluntly called the
> climate fear
> movement “a new religion that has grown out of secular humanism.” He
> explained that
> “Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing
> the new faith.”
> Reid explained: “My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a
> physicist who
> has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science
> is. In effect
> the scientific method has been abandoned in this field. Back in the early
> 1990s when I
> was still working for the CSIRO and the early versions of the AGW theory
> started to gain
> currency, I was rather bemused by the passions which were aroused in my
> colleagues and
> the gullibility with which predictions of future climate disaster were
> accepted.” He
> added: “In effect a new religion has grown out of secular humanism. Global
> warming is
> the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the
> Resurrection is
> the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding
> to that of St Paul
> in proselytizing the new faith.  Meteorologists regularly test
> model ‘skill’. Climatologists don’t seem to have a concept of testing, and
> prefer to use the term
> ‘verification’ instead—that is, they do not seek to invalidate their
> models; they only seek supporting evidence.”
> 
> Take care,
> Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Meade, there is far more money being spent by the polluters to fund climate
change deniers.  I j ust hope you don't own any beach property.



On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research dollars
> flowing for global warming / climate change / anthropogenic global
> warming.  Past temperature data has either been adjusted to make the past
> colder (which means we MUST be warmer now, right) or past data which
> "doesn't fit the models predictions" is conveniently deleted from the
> computations...
>
>
> https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/temperature-adjustments-at-uscrn1-stations/
>
> In case you've missed this in the past, here is a list of 1000 REAL
> scientists who disagree with the contention that CO2 is going to destroy
> the earth:
>
> http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf
>
> If you don't care to read all 321 pages of that report, here's just a
> sample of what is inside:
>
> "Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s
> (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of
> Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research,
> rejected
> man-made global warming fears in October 2009. Reid bluntly called the
> climate fear
> movement “a new religion that has grown out of secular humanism.” He
> explained that
> “Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing
> the new faith.”
> Reid explained: “My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a
> physicist who
> has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying
> science is. In effect
> the scientific method has been abandoned in this field. Back in the early
> 1990s when I
> was still working for the CSIRO and the early versions of the AGW theory
> started to gain
> currency, I was rather bemused by the passions which were aroused in my
> colleagues and
> the gullibility with which predictions of future climate disaster were
> accepted.” He
> added: “In effect a new religion has grown out of secular humanism. Global
> warming is
> the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the
> Resurrection is
> the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding
> to that of St Paul
> in proselytizing the new faith.  Meteorologists regularly test
> model ‘skill’. Climatologists don’t seem to have a concept of testing, and
> prefer to use the term
> ‘verification’ instead—that is, they do not seek to invalidate their
> models; they only seek supporting evidence.”
>
> Take care,
> Max
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Andrew,

The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research dollars
flowing for global warming / climate change / anthropogenic global
warming.  Past temperature data has either been adjusted to make the past
colder (which means we MUST be warmer now, right) or past data which
"doesn't fit the models predictions" is conveniently deleted from the
computations...

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/temperature-adjustments-at-uscrn1-stations/

In case you've missed this in the past, here is a list of 1000 REAL
scientists who disagree with the contention that CO2 is going to destroy
the earth:

http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf

If you don't care to read all 321 pages of that report, here's just a
sample of what is inside:

"Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s
(Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of
Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research,
rejected
man-made global warming fears in October 2009. Reid bluntly called the
climate fear
movement “a new religion that has grown out of secular humanism.” He
explained that
“Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing
the new faith.”
Reid explained: “My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a
physicist who
has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science
is. In effect
the scientific method has been abandoned in this field. Back in the early
1990s when I
was still working for the CSIRO and the early versions of the AGW theory
started to gain
currency, I was rather bemused by the passions which were aroused in my
colleagues and
the gullibility with which predictions of future climate disaster were
accepted.” He
added: “In effect a new religion has grown out of secular humanism. Global
warming is
the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the
Resurrection is
the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding
to that of St Paul
in proselytizing the new faith.  Meteorologists regularly test
model ‘skill’. Climatologists don’t seem to have a concept of testing, and
prefer to use the term
‘verification’ instead—that is, they do not seek to invalidate their
models; they only seek supporting evidence.”

Take care,
Max
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[MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Winter sets global heat record despite US East's big chill


WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal records show that this winter and the first two
months of 2015 were the hottest on record globally, with a chilly U.S. East
sticking out like a cold thumb in a toastier world.

At nearly 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit above 20th century average, last month was
the second warmest February on record globally, slightly behind 1998.

But the combined January and February temperature beat the old record for
the first two months set in 2002. December through February broke the
meteorological winter record set in 2007.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration records go back to 1880.
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