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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Agree.  Important to differentiate between positive tests, those sick enough to 
be admitted, and deaths.  The way the last two categories are counted hasn't 
changed much.  But doubling the number of tests will likely double the number 
of positives, at least over a short time span.  

Given the glacial speed of developing a cure, the best near-term approach is 
many infected young, healthy people (for herd immunity) while old, sick folks 
protect themselves.  Not unlike children's measles parties of an earlier era.

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> On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:19 pm, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> > I eagerly await Dan's experience but I am skeptical.  I don't see how
> > it can suck in warm outside air and exhaust even-warmer air through
> > the same duct/hose (unless it's coaxial).
> 
> The suck in is through the side of the housing, not the hose.
> It's not outside air, it's conditioned room air that you're going to throw 
> outside
> when you're done heating it, so unconditioned outside air can be sucked into
> the room through whatever leaks it can find.
> 
> Yeah, when you think about it, holy cow that sounds stupid.
> But, as I said earlier, the one in my parents' living room actually seems to 
> work,
> although I'm sure the interior humidity is much higher than it should be with 
> a
> real air conditioner.
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Thanks for the explanation.  I'm still skeptical on real-world effectiveness.  
I wonder what kind of SEER or net cooling capacity these things deliver?  Using 
room air to cool the hot coil should make the supply air nice and cool at the 
expense of sucking hot, humid outside air into the space.

Maybe Dan can drill an exhaust hose hole at a location that can later support a 
mini-split?

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> 
> The suck in is through the side of the housing, not the hose.
> It's not outside air, it's conditioned room air that you're going to throw 
> outside
> when you're done heating it, so unconditioned outside air can be sucked into
> the room through whatever leaks it can find.
> 
> Yeah, when you think about it, holy cow that sounds stupid.
> But, as I said earlier, the one in my parents' living room actually seems to 
> work,
> although I'm sure the interior humidity is much higher than it should be with 
> a
> real air conditioner.
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The ones I've seen pull in room air and cool some, exhausting some as hot air. 
AFAIK all the air is taken from the room. Of course efficiency will be lower 
since the air that is exhausted has to be made up from somewhere

-Curt

On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 10:19:22 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 This is what I thought about getting to blow on my in my immediate area in the 
shop. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 6:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I had extremely low expectations when my parents bought one.
> Let's draw 95° air into the house, heat it up to make cold air, blow the
> hot air (and condensate from the cold air) out the tube, drawing more 95°
> moist air into the building...but surprisingly enough, it seems to work
> about as well as a window unit.
> Mitch.
> 
>> On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:27 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys put one in my house as a
>> temp fix.  Didn't do much good.  I don't see how a single hose can work.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

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On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:19 pm, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> I eagerly await Dan's experience but I am skeptical.  I don't see how it
> can suck in warm outside air and exhaust even-warmer air through the same
> duct/hose (unless it's coaxial).

The suck in is through the side of the housing, not the hose.
It's not outside air, it's conditioned room air that you're going to throw
outside when you're done heating it, so unconditioned outside air can be
sucked into the room through whatever leaks it can find.

Yeah, when you think about it, holy cow that sounds stupid.
But, as I said earlier, the one in my parents' living room actually seems
to work, although I'm sure the interior humidity is much higher than it
should be with a real air conditioner.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I eagerly await Dan's experience but I am skeptical.  I don't see how it can 
suck in warm outside air and exhaust even-warmer air through the same duct/hose 
(unless it's coaxial).  Also, I don't see how the airflow through a 4 in hose 
can begin to match the air flow through a mini-split outdoor unit.  I just 
don't see how the physics can work.

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> The thing that surprised me is that it managed to blow the condensate out and
> there was no pan to empty like on a dehumidifier.Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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> mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More I had
> extremely low expectations when my parents bought one.Let's draw 95° air
> into the house, heat it up to make cold air, blow thehot air (and condensate
> from the cold air) out the tube, drawing more 95°moist air into the
> building...but surprisingly enough, it seems to workabout as well as a window
> unit.Mitch.On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:27 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:>
> Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys put one in my house as a>
> temp fix.  Didn't do much good.  I don't see how a single hose can
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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

tyee165 via Mercedes  writes:

> The thing that surprised me is that it managed to blow the condensate
> out and there was no pan to empty like on a dehumidifier.

I had a small window unit that I used in a camper. It had no drain for
condensate. The condensor fan would dip into the accumulated condensate
from the evap and fling it up against the condensor, where it
evaporated, providing some additional cooling for the condensor and no
drips. Maybe this does something similar.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes insulate the garage door with foam sheet to reduce the heat load. And
be sure to seal the air inlet/outlet tightly at the wall or garage door,
and seal any gaps tight at the door edge.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 9:47 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, July 5, 2020 10:19 am, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > This is what I thought about getting to blow on my in my immediate area
> > in the shop.
>
> If you can spend most of your time where you can feel the breeze, it
> should make you feel a lot cooler for a kiloWatt or less. And it's on
> wheels so you can aim it as needed. Being tethered to a 6-10' hose puts
> limits on it though.
> Making the whole building more comfortable would cost a whole lot more.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Sun, July 5, 2020 10:19 am, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> This is what I thought about getting to blow on my in my immediate area
> in the shop.

If you can spend most of your time where you can feel the breeze, it
should make you feel a lot cooler for a kiloWatt or less. And it's on
wheels so you can aim it as needed. Being tethered to a 6-10' hose puts
limits on it though.
Making the whole building more comfortable would cost a whole lot more.

Mitch.

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On Sun, July 5, 2020 10:41 am, tyee165 via Mercedes wrote:
> I think the single hose is actually a double hose with an inner and outer
> combined.

Some (more expensive) models have intake and exhaust, which I would assume
would need some degree of separation, or you'd just be sucking the exhaust
back in the intake.

The one my parents have is just a plain 4" exhaust. The various cracks in
the building provide the intake.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I haven’t opened it yet, so I’m not sure what the deal is with the hose. I’ll 
tear into it later today, I expect.

-D

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:47 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The thing that surprised me is that it managed to blow the condensate out and 
> there was no pan to empty like on a dehumidifier.Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  Date: 2020-07-05  06:38  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
> Discussion List  Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: 
> Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More I had extremely low expectations when my 
> parents bought one.Let's draw 95° air into the house, heat it up to make cold 
> air, blow thehot air (and condensate from the cold air) out the tube, drawing 
> more 95°moist air into the building...but surprisingly enough, it seems to 
> workabout as well as a window unit.Mitch.On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:27 am, Scott 
> Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:> Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys 
> put one in my house as a> temp fix.  Didn't do much good.  I don't see how a 
> single hose can 
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The thing that surprised me is that it managed to blow the condensate out and 
there was no pan to empty like on a dehumidifier.Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 Date: 2020-07-05  06:38  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: 
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More I had extremely low expectations when my 
parents bought one.Let's draw 95° air into the house, heat it up to make cold 
air, blow thehot air (and condensate from the cold air) out the tube, drawing 
more 95°moist air into the building...but surprisingly enough, it seems to 
workabout as well as a window unit.Mitch.On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:27 am, Scott 
Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:> Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys 
put one in my house as a> temp fix.  Didn't do much good.  I don't see how a 
single hose can 
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If you don't have a window that opens then I suggest you cut a hole in the wall 
to install it.Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 Date: 2020-07-05  09:29  (GMT-06:00) To: Okie Benz 
 Cc: Dan Penoff  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT 
- Mini Split and More I’m not sure how effective it would be given the volume 
fo your shop. Maybe if you cordoned off an area with a big curtain, like a 
welding curtain, or something like that it might work?I’m just trying to cool a 
roughly 20’ by 20’ garage. The one I got is rated for 400 SF, so theoretically, 
it should work. I’m not worried as much about temperature as I am about 
humidity. I also need to figure out how to vent it, as doing it under the 
partially opened garage doors opens other areas to outside air, like at the top 
of the door.More as I know it.-D> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Kaleb Striplin 
via Mercedes  wrote:> > This is what I thought about 
getting to blow on my in my immediate area in the shop. > > Sent from my 
iPhone> >> On Jul 5, 2020, at 6:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:>> >> I had extremely low expectations when my 
parents bought one.>> Let's draw 95° air into the house, heat it up to make 
cold air, blow the>> hot air (and condensate from the cold air) out the tube, 
drawing more 95°>> moist air into the building...but surprisingly enough, it 
seems to work>> about as well as a window unit.>> Mitch.>> >>> On Sun, July 5, 
2020 3:27 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:>>> Be interesting to see how 
this work.  HVAC guys put one in my house as a>>> temp fix.  Didn't do much 
good.  I don't see how a single hose can work.>> >> >> 
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I think the single hose is actually a double hose with an inner and outer 
combined. My nephew brought one out to the cottage and it worked well 
enough.Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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 Date: 2020-07-05  09:19  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Kaleb Striplin  
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More This is what I thought about 
getting to blow on my in my immediate area in the shop. Sent from my iPhone> On 
Jul 5, 2020, at 6:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:> > I had extremely low expectations when my parents bought one.> Let's 
draw 95° air into the house, heat it up to make cold air, blow the> hot air 
(and condensate from the cold air) out the tube, drawing more 95°> moist air 
into the building...but surprisingly enough, it seems to work> about as well as 
a window unit.> Mitch.> >> On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:27 am, Scott Ritchey via 
Mercedes wrote:>> Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys put one in my 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m not sure how effective it would be given the volume fo your shop. Maybe if 
you cordoned off an area with a big curtain, like a welding curtain, or 
something like that it might work?

I’m just trying to cool a roughly 20’ by 20’ garage. The one I got is rated for 
400 SF, so theoretically, it should work. I’m not worried as much about 
temperature as I am about humidity. I also need to figure out how to vent it, 
as doing it under the partially opened garage doors opens other areas to 
outside air, like at the top of the door.

More as I know it.

-D

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is what I thought about getting to blow on my in my immediate area in 
> the shop. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 6:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I had extremely low expectations when my parents bought one.
>> Let's draw 95° air into the house, heat it up to make cold air, blow the
>> hot air (and condensate from the cold air) out the tube, drawing more 95°
>> moist air into the building...but surprisingly enough, it seems to work
>> about as well as a window unit.
>> Mitch.
>> 
>>> On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:27 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys put one in my house as a
>>> temp fix.  Didn't do much good.  I don't see how a single hose can work.
>> 
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This is what I thought about getting to blow on my in my immediate area in the 
shop. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 6:38 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I had extremely low expectations when my parents bought one.
> Let's draw 95° air into the house, heat it up to make cold air, blow the
> hot air (and condensate from the cold air) out the tube, drawing more 95°
> moist air into the building...but surprisingly enough, it seems to work
> about as well as a window unit.
> Mitch.
> 
>> On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:27 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys put one in my house as a
>> temp fix.  Didn't do much good.  I don't see how a single hose can work.
> 
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I had extremely low expectations when my parents bought one.
Let's draw 95° air into the house, heat it up to make cold air, blow the
hot air (and condensate from the cold air) out the tube, drawing more 95°
moist air into the building...but surprisingly enough, it seems to work
about as well as a window unit.
Mitch.

On Sun, July 5, 2020 3:27 am, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys put one in my house as a
> temp fix.  Didn't do much good.  I don't see how a single hose can work.


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Be interesting to see how this work.  HVAC guys put one in my house as a temp 
fix.  Didn't do much good.  I don't see how a single hose can work. 

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> 
> So my HVAC engineer neighbor was over the other night and I was asking him
> about his opinion on a mini-split in the garage…
> 
> His take? Buy a portable 12,000 BTU unit and use that, forget about a mini-
> split.
> 
> I bought one at Lowe’s today. I’m going to try it out in the morning tomorrow.
> It should be a pretty wicked test, as we’ve been having 95+ degree days of 
> late
> with heat indexes approaching 100. This can also act as a backup for the house
> in the event that the house AC pukes for whatever reason - we can use it to
> cool a couple of rooms in an emergency.
> 
> I’ve got to do distributor caps, rotors and insulators on the 420E, so I’ll 
> pull it in
> early, shut the door and fire this thing up and see how it does. Not sure how
> I’m going to vent it at present, but that’s something I can work out.
> 
> He also suggested that I insulate the garage doors, too.
> 
> More as I know it.
> 
> I also bought my hybrid electric water heater. I was planning on doing this in
> August, since I just dropped $6k last week on a new AC system for the house,
> which is working quite well, I would add. While I was wandering the aisles of
> Lowe’s I went by the water heaters to see if they still had any of the one I
> wanted. They did, and it was marked down $300 from the regular $1299.
> Bought the last one they had and let them carry the paper for 18 months, too.
> 
> So maybe next weekend I’ll have the resident plumber install the new water
> heater. I already had him survey the existing setup to determine what he’ll
> need to do the job, so that’s done. Another significant decrease in energy
> consumption, *and* some cooling for the garage as well.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We’ll see….

-D

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like great progress Dan.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 5:25 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> So my HVAC engineer neighbor was over the other night and I was asking him 
> about his opinion on a mini-split in the garage…
> 
> His take? Buy a portable 12,000 BTU unit and use that, forget about a 
> mini-split.
> 
> I bought one at Lowe’s today. I’m going to try it out in the morning 
> tomorrow. It should be a pretty wicked test, as we’ve been having 95+ degree 
> days of late with heat indexes approaching 100. This can also act as a backup 
> for the house in the event that the house AC pukes for whatever reason - we 
> can use it to cool a couple of rooms in an emergency.
> 
> I’ve got to do distributor caps, rotors and insulators on the 420E, so I’ll 
> pull it in early, shut the door and fire this thing up and see how it does. 
> Not sure how I’m going to vent it at present, but that’s something I can work 
> out.
> 
> He also suggested that I insulate the garage doors, too.
> 
> More as I know it.
> 
> I also bought my hybrid electric water heater. I was planning on doing this 
> in August, since I just dropped $6k last week on a new AC system for the 
> house, which is working quite well, I would add. While I was wandering the 
> aisles of Lowe’s I went by the water heaters to see if they still had any of 
> the one I wanted. They did, and it was marked down $300 from the regular 
> $1299. Bought the last one they had and let them carry the paper for 18 
> months, too.
> 
> So maybe next weekend I’ll have the resident plumber install the new water 
> heater. I already had him survey the existing setup to determine what he’ll 
> need to do the job, so that’s done. Another significant decrease in energy 
> consumption, *and* some cooling for the garage as well.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Regular 15A 120V plug. One 4” dryer vent thingy which I will run under the 
small garage door and block the rest off with some chipboard pieces I have.

-D

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Huh.  Vent: does it need one or two?  In other words, does it heat up and 
> discharge interior air or exterior air?  The kind I worked with needed 
> exterior air.
> 
> Regular electrical socket, or does it need a 30 amp or 220 socket?
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jul 4, 2020 5:25:05 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :
> 
>> So my HVAC engineer neighbor was over the other night and I was asking him 
>> about his opinion on a mini-split in the garage…
>> 
>> His take? Buy a portable 12,000 BTU unit and use that, forget about a 
>> mini-split.
>> 
>> I bought one at Lowe’s today. I’m going to try it out in the morning 
>> tomorrow. It should be a pretty wicked test, as we’ve been having 95+ degree 
>> days of late with heat indexes approaching 100. This can also act as a 
>> backup for the house in the event that the house AC pukes for whatever 
>> reason - we can use it to cool a couple of rooms in an emergency.
>> 
>> I’ve got to do distributor caps, rotors and insulators on the 420E, so I’ll 
>> pull it in early, shut the door and fire this thing up and see how it does. 
>> Not sure how I’m going to vent it at present, but that’s something I can 
>> work out.
>> 
>> He also suggested that I insulate the garage doors, too.
>> 
>> More as I know it.
>> 
>> I also bought my hybrid electric water heater. I was planning on doing this 
>> in August, since I just dropped $6k last week on a new AC system for the 
>> house, which is working quite well, I would add. While I was wandering the 
>> aisles of Lowe’s I went by the water heaters to see if they still had any of 
>> the one I wanted. They did, and it was marked down $300 from the regular 
>> $1299. Bought the last one they had and let them carry the paper for 18 
>> months, too.
>> 
>> So maybe next weekend I’ll have the resident plumber install the new water 
>> heater. I already had him survey the existing setup to determine what he’ll 
>> need to do the job, so that’s done. Another significant decrease in energy 
>> consumption, *and* some cooling for the garage as well.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Sounds like great progress Dan.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 5:25 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> So my HVAC engineer neighbor was over the other night and I was asking him
> about his opinion on a mini-split in the garage…
>
> His take? Buy a portable 12,000 BTU unit and use that, forget about a
> mini-split.
>
> I bought one at Lowe’s today. I’m going to try it out in the morning
> tomorrow. It should be a pretty wicked test, as we’ve been having 95+
> degree days of late with heat indexes approaching 100. This can also act as
> a backup for the house in the event that the house AC pukes for whatever
> reason - we can use it to cool a couple of rooms in an emergency.
>
> I’ve got to do distributor caps, rotors and insulators on the 420E, so
> I’ll pull it in early, shut the door and fire this thing up and see how it
> does. Not sure how I’m going to vent it at present, but that’s something I
> can work out.
>
> He also suggested that I insulate the garage doors, too.
>
> More as I know it.
>
> I also bought my hybrid electric water heater. I was planning on doing
> this in August, since I just dropped $6k last week on a new AC system for
> the house, which is working quite well, I would add. While I was wandering
> the aisles of Lowe’s I went by the water heaters to see if they still had
> any of the one I wanted. They did, and it was marked down $300 from the
> regular $1299. Bought the last one they had and let them carry the paper
> for 18 months, too.
>
> So maybe next weekend I’ll have the resident plumber install the new water
> heater. I already had him survey the existing setup to determine what he’ll
> need to do the job, so that’s done. Another significant decrease in energy
> consumption, *and* some cooling for the garage as well.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Huh.  Vent: does it need one or two?  In other words, does it heat up and 
discharge interior air or exterior air?  The kind I worked with needed exterior 
air.

Regular electrical socket, or does it need a 30 amp or 220 socket?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 4, 2020 5:25:05 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> So my HVAC engineer neighbor was over the other night and I was asking him 
> about his opinion on a mini-split in the garage…
> 
> His take? Buy a portable 12,000 BTU unit and use that, forget about a 
> mini-split.
> 
> I bought one at Lowe’s today. I’m going to try it out in the morning 
> tomorrow. It should be a pretty wicked test, as we’ve been having 95+ degree 
> days of late with heat indexes approaching 100. This can also act as a backup 
> for the house in the event that the house AC pukes for whatever reason - we 
> can use it to cool a couple of rooms in an emergency.
> 
> I’ve got to do distributor caps, rotors and insulators on the 420E, so I’ll 
> pull it in early, shut the door and fire this thing up and see how it does. 
> Not sure how I’m going to vent it at present, but that’s something I can work 
> out.
> 
> He also suggested that I insulate the garage doors, too.
> 
> More as I know it.
> 
> I also bought my hybrid electric water heater. I was planning on doing this 
> in August, since I just dropped $6k last week on a new AC system for the 
> house, which is working quite well, I would add. While I was wandering the 
> aisles of Lowe’s I went by the water heaters to see if they still had any of 
> the one I wanted. They did, and it was marked down $300 from the regular 
> $1299. Bought the last one they had and let them carry the paper for 18 
> months, too.
> 
> So maybe next weekend I’ll have the resident plumber install the new water 
> heater. I already had him survey the existing setup to determine what he’ll 
> need to do the job, so that’s done. Another significant decrease in energy 
> consumption, *and* some cooling for the garage as well.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Nice

On 7/4/2020 4:24 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

So my HVAC engineer neighbor was over the other night and I was asking him 
about his opinion on a mini-split in the garage…

His take? Buy a portable 12,000 BTU unit and use that, forget about a 
mini-split.

I bought one at Lowe’s today. I’m going to try it out in the morning tomorrow. 
It should be a pretty wicked test, as we’ve been having 95+ degree days of late 
with heat indexes approaching 100. This can also act as a backup for the house 
in the event that the house AC pukes for whatever reason - we can use it to 
cool a couple of rooms in an emergency.

I’ve got to do distributor caps, rotors and insulators on the 420E, so I’ll 
pull it in early, shut the door and fire this thing up and see how it does. Not 
sure how I’m going to vent it at present, but that’s something I can work out.

He also suggested that I insulate the garage doors, too.

More as I know it.

I also bought my hybrid electric water heater. I was planning on doing this in 
August, since I just dropped $6k last week on a new AC system for the house, 
which is working quite well, I would add. While I was wandering the aisles of 
Lowe’s I went by the water heaters to see if they still had any of the one I 
wanted. They did, and it was marked down $300 from the regular $1299. Bought 
the last one they had and let them carry the paper for 18 months, too.

So maybe next weekend I’ll have the resident plumber install the new water 
heater. I already had him survey the existing setup to determine what he’ll 
need to do the job, so that’s done. Another significant decrease in energy 
consumption, *and* some cooling for the garage as well.

-D
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[MBZ] OT - Mini Split and More

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So my HVAC engineer neighbor was over the other night and I was asking him 
about his opinion on a mini-split in the garage…

His take? Buy a portable 12,000 BTU unit and use that, forget about a 
mini-split.

I bought one at Lowe’s today. I’m going to try it out in the morning tomorrow. 
It should be a pretty wicked test, as we’ve been having 95+ degree days of late 
with heat indexes approaching 100. This can also act as a backup for the house 
in the event that the house AC pukes for whatever reason - we can use it to 
cool a couple of rooms in an emergency.

I’ve got to do distributor caps, rotors and insulators on the 420E, so I’ll 
pull it in early, shut the door and fire this thing up and see how it does. Not 
sure how I’m going to vent it at present, but that’s something I can work out.

He also suggested that I insulate the garage doors, too.

More as I know it.

I also bought my hybrid electric water heater. I was planning on doing this in 
August, since I just dropped $6k last week on a new AC system for the house, 
which is working quite well, I would add. While I was wandering the aisles of 
Lowe’s I went by the water heaters to see if they still had any of the one I 
wanted. They did, and it was marked down $300 from the regular $1299. Bought 
the last one they had and let them carry the paper for 18 months, too.

So maybe next weekend I’ll have the resident plumber install the new water 
heater. I already had him survey the existing setup to determine what he’ll 
need to do the job, so that’s done. Another significant decrease in energy 
consumption, *and* some cooling for the garage as well.

-D
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