[MBZ] OT - tile floors
We are trying to prepare the 250 sq. ft. concrete floor of what was once an auto shop (that repaired a few MB's - MB content) for 18 square ceramic tiles. The concrete is not all that level or smooth. We poured eight bags of self leveling underlayment on it and improved some areas, made others worse. The instructions I read/watched all used a ½ electric drill to mix the 50 lb. bag of cement like stuff into 5 qts/liters of water. I literally burnt up the Harbor Freight ½ drill on the fifth bag, switched to an old fixed speed 3/8th drill, pulsing it to finish. I think we weren't able to keep mixing and pouring fast enough to keep up with the drying of the previous pour. I'm considering using our home owner sized cement mixer, but wondered who has BTDT, and been successful? Also, this cement mixer has a 24 long barrel that is 19 at the base and 16 at the throat. How many bags of sakrete should it be able to mix at once? If two 80 lb bags, should I be able to mix three 50 lb bags of self leveling underlayment at once??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:36:26 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The instructions I read/watched all used a ½ electric drill to mix the 50 lb. bag of cement like stuff into 5 qts/liters of water. That's how the guy who put our tile in did it. I literally burnt up the Harbor Freight ½ drill on the fifth bag, switched to an old fixed speed 3/8th drill, pulsing it to finish. Oops. Our guy didn't have to mix up so much at once. I think we weren't able to keep mixing and pouring fast enough to keep up with the drying of the previous pour. Why do you need to keep ahead of the previous pour? Can you not let it cure and then do the next batch? The concrete on which you are pouring the SLU, after all, is fully cured ... I'm considering using our home owner sized cement mixer, but wondered who has BTDT, and been successful? Hm ... Do you have a quick way to get it from the mixer to the floor where you are using it? Also, this cement mixer has a 24 long barrel that is 19 at the base and 16 at the throat. How many bags of sakrete should it be able to mix at once? If two 80 lb bags, should I be able to mix three 50 lb bags of self leveling underlayment at once??? Now that I cannot tell you. What does the manufacturer of the mixer say? What does Sakrete say? What does the SLU say? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
I have no idea how rough your floor is, however I've done some pretty rough floors in the past. I always used a straight edge to identify high and low spots and troweled on the material. A good straight 2X4 will work nicely to establish the new smooth floor height. A round corner trowel 24 inches long with a good handle should float the material smooth. Seems to me you are trying to poor an entire new cap, which isn't what the material you are using is made for, from my experience. When you lay the tile, use a notch trowel with deep enough notches [ I prefer square notch pattern] so that you seat the tile for height as you lay them [use the plastic X spacers for good edge distance also] . Should end up with a nice level floor that way after grout. Of course, keep pain meds handy for following day after laying tile.. ;)) On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:36:26 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The instructions I read/watched all used a ½ electric drill to mix the 50 lb. bag of cement like stuff into 5 qts/liters of water. That's how the guy who put our tile in did it. I literally burnt up the Harbor Freight ½ drill on the fifth bag, switched to an old fixed speed 3/8th drill, pulsing it to finish. Oops. Our guy didn't have to mix up so much at once. I think we weren't able to keep mixing and pouring fast enough to keep up with the drying of the previous pour. Why do you need to keep ahead of the previous pour? Can you not let it cure and then do the next batch? The concrete on which you are pouring the SLU, after all, is fully cured ... I'm considering using our home owner sized cement mixer, but wondered who has BTDT, and been successful? Hm ... Do you have a quick way to get it from the mixer to the floor where you are using it? Also, this cement mixer has a 24 long barrel that is 19 at the base and 16 at the throat. How many bags of sakrete should it be able to mix at once? If two 80 lb bags, should I be able to mix three 50 lb bags of self leveling underlayment at once??? Now that I cannot tell you. What does the manufacturer of the mixer say? What does Sakrete say? What does the SLU say? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
How about using the compound under some 1/2 wonderboard? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 19, 2014, at 13:36, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We are trying to prepare the 250 sq. ft. concrete floor of what was once an auto shop (that repaired a few MB's - MB content) for 18 square ceramic tiles. The concrete is not all that level or smooth. We poured eight bags of self leveling underlayment on it and improved some areas, made others worse. The instructions I read/watched all used a ½ electric drill to mix the 50 lb. bag of cement like stuff into 5 qts/liters of water. I literally burnt up the Harbor Freight ½ drill on the fifth bag, switched to an old fixed speed 3/8th drill, pulsing it to finish. I think we weren't able to keep mixing and pouring fast enough to keep up with the drying of the previous pour. I'm considering using our home owner sized cement mixer, but wondered who has BTDT, and been successful? Also, this cement mixer has a 24 long barrel that is 19 at the base and 16 at the throat. How many bags of sakrete should it be able to mix at once? If two 80 lb bags, should I be able to mix three 50 lb bags of self leveling underlayment at once??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:27:54 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: When you lay the tile, use a notch trowel with deep enough notches [ I prefer square notch pattern] so that you seat the tile for height as you lay them [use the plastic X spacers for good edge distance also] . Should end up with a nice level floor that way after grout. The guy who did our tile used a 3/8x3/8 square notched trowel. The resulting tile isn't entirely at the same height. Another tile guy said for 18 tiles one should use a 1/2x1/2 square notched trowel. Of course, keep pain meds handy for following day after laying tile.. ;)) I didn't find out about that aspect of the job ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 2:27 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have no idea how rough your floor is, however I've done some pretty rough floors in the past. This floor has two spots 1/3 room width from one wall that are about 1 higher than the low spots. I always used a straight edge to identify high and low spots and troweled on the material. A good straight 2X4 will work nicely to establish the new smooth floor height. The floor is 18 ft. long --- I've identified the high spots, it's getting the low ones filled smoothly up to the high ones that's the problem. A round corner trowel 24 inches long with a good handle should float the material smooth. Yes, I need to get one of those! Mine is too small for this job. Seems to me you are trying to poor an entire new cap, which isn't what the material you are using is made for, from my experience. Yes, the self leveling underlayment is for pouring a new cap from 1/16 to 2 thick. When you lay the tile, use a notch trowel with deep enough notches [ I prefer square notch pattern] so that you seat the tile for height as you lay them [use the plastic X spacers for good edge distance also] . Should end up with a nice level floor that way after grout. Of course, keep pain meds handy for following day after laying tile.. ;)) Well stocked already ! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
Original Message From: G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:27 PM To: Craig; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: G Mann Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors A good straight 2X4 will work nicely to establish the new smooth floor height. Good luck finding one of those... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
I did this recently in my bathroom, which isn't that large but I think I ran through 2 bags of self leveling stuff over plywood. It might not have been 50lb bags though, but I think it pretty much filled a 5gal bucket. It did not seem to set up that fast, and mixing it with a drill mixer did not take too long if you pour a bit at a time of the powder into the water/mix. But doing 250sqft might take longer to do enough. Mine was fairly runny, which I guess is what makes it self-level. I put down the Kerdi stuff over the leveling using thinset, it is a plastic waffle-like sheet stuff that will provide a bit of give under the tile, which you also put down with thinset and a notched trowel, to keep it from cracking as things expand and contract and move. Not cheap stuff, but reportedly quite good for the purpose. THey sell it at Lowes. --R On 7/19/14 1:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: We are trying to prepare the 250 sq. ft. concrete floor of what was once an auto shop (that repaired a few MB's - MB content) for 18 square ceramic tiles. The concrete is not all that level or smooth. We poured eight bags of self leveling underlayment on it and improved some areas, made others worse. The instructions I read/watched all used a ½ electric drill to mix the 50 lb. bag of cement like stuff into 5 qts/liters of water. I literally burnt up the Harbor Freight ½ drill on the fifth bag, switched to an old fixed speed 3/8th drill, pulsing it to finish. I think we weren't able to keep mixing and pouring fast enough to keep up with the drying of the previous pour. I'm considering using our home owner sized cement mixer, but wondered who has BTDT, and been successful? Also, this cement mixer has a 24 long barrel that is 19 at the base and 16 at the throat. How many bags of sakrete should it be able to mix at once? If two 80 lb bags, should I be able to mix three 50 lb bags of self leveling underlayment at once??? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
You need to try a better class of lumberyard. We've got one near here that keeps ALL of their lumber indoors all the time. They sell super high quality stuff. They get a pretty penny for it but theres no picking around for the most straight 2x4s like you do at Home Despot. -Curt From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors Original Message From: G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:27 PM To: Craig; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: G Mann Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors A good straight 2X4 will work nicely to establish the new smooth floor height. Good luck finding one of those... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
There aren't many of those left around here - mostly specialty wood for furniture makers. Lowest and Home Despot have driven the rest out of business . . . On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You need to try a better class of lumberyard. We've got one near here that keeps ALL of their lumber indoors all the time. They sell super high quality stuff. They get a pretty penny for it but theres no picking around for the most straight 2x4s like you do at Home Despot. -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
When I did our kitchen floor, first I tried the so-called self leveling stuff from Lowes, but it was too thick and didn't flow out, so I had to trowel it around. I needed a bit more, decided to try the Home Despot stuff, and it was far superior. I wish I remembered the name. You want it to be almost like milk, so it really flows. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
Too bad, we have a fair amount of local yards, one within 1/2 mile of my house even. They focus on service and seem to be doing pretty well. -Curt From: OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors There aren't many of those left around here - mostly specialty wood for furniture makers. Lowest and Home Despot have driven the rest out of business . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
Lumber yards dominate in Maine. Much better selection, quality and price than Lowes/HD. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Too bad, we have a fair amount of local yards, one within 1/2 mile of my house even. They focus on service and seem to be doing pretty well. -Curt From: OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors There aren't many of those left around here - mostly specialty wood for furniture makers. Lowest and Home Despot have driven the rest out of business . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
Must be LevelQuik - they make a fast setting version, sold at Home Despot, and a slow setting version that you can only get from commercial distributors - whom I am going to call Monday morning in hopes of scoring some. On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: When I did our kitchen floor, first I tried the so-called self leveling stuff from Lowes, but it was too thick and didn't flow out, so I had to trowel it around. I needed a bit more, decided to try the Home Despot stuff, and it was far superior. I wish I remembered the name. You want it to be almost like milk, so it really flows. -Max -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - tile floors
That must be because the trees grow there I am getting 8 decent sized red cedar logs from a neighbor who hates the trees. I need to decide how to have them cut at a local saw mill. On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:25 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Lumber yards dominate in Maine. Much better selection, quality and price than Lowes/HD. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
