Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Well... Actually I was referring to a different hill, the turnpike over in Hornell. However, I bet you're thinking of Smith Hill by my house and yeah, that one is pretty similar. Actually, it's a bit steeper/shorter, but you can get going 60mph+ at the bottom, so if I'm careful I can hold almost 40mph through there. (: Levi On 6/21/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the hill he is talking about..A 300D could use another 50hp on that thing.Nowhere to gain any speed and keep it as the really fun twisties are pretty , well twisty. Oh and did he mention it is freakin step? My old 240D would get 15mph up most of itBBBLLLAAAIII fast. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 Well, I haven't officially clocked the 0-60mph time, but I'm thinking it's under 20 seconds. It certainly doesn't feel REAL slow on a flat surface. The only time it's a problem is catching the big hills at slow speeds. This particular hill is probably something like a 600-800' rise over a little more than a mile, so I would call it pretty steep. And if there weren't a tight turn with parked cars which is in town at the bottom, I could probably hold a faster speed if I could get up there. But since I can't get going more than maybe 35mph, that's as fast as I can hold it. It certainly seems to be revving high enough in 1st, it's something like 4500rpm when it shifts... (the tach is intermittent) (I've got a speedo out of a late 70's 300D, so the gear notches aren't the same as mine). I am tempted to take a look at the Alda though. I've heard it mentioned lots of times, but I've never gotten around to actually figuring out where it is (I know it's more or less on the back of the IP) and how exactly to go about adjusting it. Is there one set of directions that are the best to use? Levi On 6/21/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some other reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops out of the turbo's range. I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev right up through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will *almost* hold its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear, and repeats. (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the A/C is on.) Personally I would much rather have a stick... It certainly couldn't be any worse shifting. (: Something sounds wrong. How's the 0-60 time? Your ALDA may need a bit of a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age. Is the shift from 1-2 at around the correct RPM? (Not too much lower, when floored, than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.) It should take a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in second gear. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:50:51 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no reason not to put a manual transmission behind a 5 cyl turbo. Especially if your doing a major engine shuffle like that! There were discussions on the list back in 2001 - 2002 (when it was run by Richard Sexton) about the subject. The best guess why Mercedes didn't do it was that the load and rpm drop during a shift would cause the turbo to slow down, causing a drop in power until it spooled back up. There is also a possibility that the emissions were made worse by the combination. Craig
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
SoIf I pick up the 240D 4spd and a 300D say around 85(I know where one is.) there is a way to combine the two? I assume the bolt pattern for the bellhousing is the same between the two engines? Flywheel from the 240 will go on the 5cyl.? No balancing issues? I heard that each flywheel is balanced to it's engine is this true? Thanks, Mike - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:50:51 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no reason not to put a manual transmission behind a 5 cyl turbo. Especially if your doing a major engine shuffle like that! There were discussions on the list back in 2001 - 2002 (when it was run by Richard Sexton) about the subject. The best guess why Mercedes didn't do it was that the load and rpm drop during a shift would cause the turbo to slow down, causing a drop in power until it spooled back up. There is also a possibility that the emissions were made worse by the combination. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some other reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops out of the turbo's range. I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev right up through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will *almost* hold its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear, and repeats. (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the A/C is on.) Personally I would much rather have a stick... It certainly couldn't be any worse shifting. (: Something sounds wrong. How's the 0-60 time? Your ALDA may need a bit of a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age. Is the shift from 1-2 at around the correct RPM? (Not too much lower, when floored, than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.) It should take a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in second gear. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Well, I haven't officially clocked the 0-60mph time, but I'm thinking it's under 20 seconds. It certainly doesn't feel REAL slow on a flat surface. The only time it's a problem is catching the big hills at slow speeds. This particular hill is probably something like a 600-800' rise over a little more than a mile, so I would call it pretty steep. And if there weren't a tight turn with parked cars which is in town at the bottom, I could probably hold a faster speed if I could get up there. But since I can't get going more than maybe 35mph, that's as fast as I can hold it. It certainly seems to be revving high enough in 1st, it's something like 4500rpm when it shifts... (the tach is intermittent) (I've got a speedo out of a late 70's 300D, so the gear notches aren't the same as mine). I am tempted to take a look at the Alda though. I've heard it mentioned lots of times, but I've never gotten around to actually figuring out where it is (I know it's more or less on the back of the IP) and how exactly to go about adjusting it. Is there one set of directions that are the best to use? Levi On 6/21/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some other reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops out of the turbo's range. I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev right up through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will *almost* hold its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear, and repeats. (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the A/C is on.) Personally I would much rather have a stick... It certainly couldn't be any worse shifting. (: Something sounds wrong. How's the 0-60 time? Your ALDA may need a bit of a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age. Is the shift from 1-2 at around the correct RPM? (Not too much lower, when floored, than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.) It should take a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in second gear. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
I am tempted to take a look at the Alda though. I've heard it mentioned lots of times, but I've never gotten around to actually figuring out where it is (I know it's more or less on the back of the IP) and how exactly to go about adjusting it. It has a hose coming out of it that goes to a dingus on the firewall, and thence to the intake manifold. There's a setscrew on top, it may be protected with a tear-off metal cap. One loosens the nut and adjusts the screw maybe 1/4-1/2 turn CCW at a time. Then drive it and see how it acts. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
At some time fairly close to Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:00:48 -0400, rumor has it that Mike wrote: Philip, Yep a BT4 would be sweet. I have been thinking of swapping in a MBZ diesel. I found a 76 240D 4 speed with only 65K DOCUMENTED original miles but am afraid it will be too gutless for the old war machine. The original 230 puts out around 77HP at 3200 and 140LB-FT of torque at 1200. Maybe a 5 cyl turbo would have enough but I really want to stick with a manual tranny. There's no reason not to put a manual transmission behind a 5 cyl turbo. Especially if your doing a major engine shuffle like that! --Philip, thinking that turbo + manual transmisssion = good idea!
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Philip, Yep a BT4 would be sweet. I have been thinking of swapping in a MBZ diesel. I found a 76 240D 4 speed with only 65K DOCUMENTED original miles but am afraid it will be too gutless for the old war machine. The original 230 puts out around 77HP at 3200 and 140LB-FT of torque at 1200. Maybe a 5 cyl turbo would have enough but I really want to stick with a manual tranny. Mike - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? rumor has it that Mike wrote: 1968 Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 Hauls scrap metal at least once a week just hauled 50 locust posts to a local winery today hauled out 2 loads of firewood to season for winter last weekend burns junk gas from scrap cars Top that for a daily driverLOLOL All that needs is a Cummins BT4 and it'd be perfect! -- Philip, who admires those old Powerwagons ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Apparently the 4BT in an M37 is a fairly popular swap. Theres a guy online whom I can't find now that does them with a brand new engine reportedly getting 130HP which doesn't sound exciting but 300+lb/ft of torque sure does. I defiantely want to try one in a Scout, replace the anemic 110hp Nissan diesel with some power... Who was it was getting one put in an F150? I'm still dying to know how that comes out. -Curt Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:00:48 -0400 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Philip, Yep a BT4 would be sweet. I have been thinking of swapping in a MBZ diesel. I found a 76 240D 4 speed with only 65K DOCUMENTED original miles but am afraid it will be too gutless for the old war machine. The original 230 puts out around 77HP at 3200 and 140LB-FT of torque at 1200. Maybe a 5 cyl turbo would have enough but I really want to stick with a manual tranny. Mike - Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1ยข/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 19 14:49:12 2006 Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com ([66.249.82.194]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FsL3w-s5-Ao for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:49:12 + Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r21so857574wxc for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=omDxjCmRjmxxNNGAQ/y6iZlNLRk3odkQIy+Tycj+PR0acLM/8T1Cv4bQP5ISDT23P5voY4a/9vrMSmtivf9LRU9CXOp6fviOkY+0vyGv7sDNSVkfRynbGnOfpCpeEQ4ddaOFsGW4/G+7st7WVkTAKcjMc5QENNHiTkIySiChaNA= Received: by 10.70.116.8 with SMTP id o8mr8651679wxc; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.76.4 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:49:02 -0400 From: Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] ooops X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:49:12 - Q: hi i was wondering if i can file for a lost title for it thanks richJun-13-06 A: A lost title cannot be filed. The buyer (Kaleb) can not file for a lost title on this vehicle? The seller is unwilling to sign a bill of sale, or what? Ed On 6/19/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:31:14 -0400 Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did i miss something? what's the joke? It was too far away and he accidentally won it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Hello Curt, I have the F-150 with the 4BT in and I like pretty well. The biggest problem has been starters and I am on my third one now. All still under warranty but still pretty annoying. My wife and son and his friend drove to Cedar Point, OH from WV to ride some killer roller coasters and was averaging about 28.8-30MPG with cruise running and the A/C on. Kevin, the builder, has learned from my prototype and is improving the next one which is a black '99 F-150 4x4 but I like my well enough. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:44 To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 Apparently the 4BT in an M37 is a fairly popular swap. Theres a guy online whom I can't find now that does them with a brand new engine reportedly getting 130HP which doesn't sound exciting but 300+lb/ft of torque sure does. I defiantely want to try one in a Scout, replace the anemic 110hp Nissan diesel with some power... Who was it was getting one put in an F150? I'm still dying to know how that comes out. -Curt
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Hello Curt, The problem with the starters is somewhat troubling but as of yet, no real conclusions. The failure mode for the first was a slowly degenerating condition in which it would just click when you turn the key to start. I would turn the key back and try again and it would start. My first thought was starter solenoid but the starter and solenoid are a integrated unit and the condition within a few days become a dead starter. The second starter abruptly failed and it lasted less then a week before it failed abruptly. Taking the starter off and having it tested showed that it didn't move the bendix at all. After playing with the toggle switch on the test station at the local FLAPS, it eventually caused the bendix to pop in and out but only after a half-dozen tries. I don't have any clues as what to look for but if this one fails then no more remanned starters for me. When I am under the truck with my wife turning the key, there is a loud click as the starter tries to engage but no bendix movement. Kevin's website is http://4btconversions.com and you need to call him for pricing but I believe that around $15K is what he is charging for a turnkey. A little less for some options and little more for some options. I believe that he hasn't taken the pictures for mine down yet so the white '97 F-150 is mine. So far, his service has been really good and honestly much better then any local dealer given the starter issues I have had. Kevin' turned up the fuel delivery on the IP on the truck and replaced the 4BT industrial injectors with the 6BT injectors since they are a little bit bigger with a better spray pattern. I haven't had it dynoed but he is claiming 160HP and 330 ft/lb of torque. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 13:06 To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 Hi Todd, Thats great news! Any idea why the starters won't last? Do you know what kind of HP/Torque your engine is putting out? How about how much the truck weighs? I'm thinking this is a brilliant swap, any idea how much he'll charge for them? I'd definately be interested in that kind of mileage in a fullsize pickup. -Curt
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Hello Robert, I hope that it just a bad rebuilder but we will see in a few days so see if it outlasts the others before problems start. I may have to try a different starter or source an OEM to see if it makes a difference. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick As many of those engines that were used for delivery vehicles, I can't imagine why they would have a problem with starters. Could it just be a poor quality rebuilder? Robert
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
On Jun 19, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Smith, Todd wrote: I don't have any clues as what to look for but if this one fails then no more remanned starters for me. When I am under the truck with my wife turning the key, there is a loud click as the starter tries to engage but no bendix movement. The integral solenoid is more likely than not, the problem. It is responsible for pulling in the bendix-drive and putting the juice to the motor. Sometimes, the disc inside the solenoid can be flipped and contact is improved as there should be no pitting, due to arcing on the other side of the contact disc. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
