Re: [MBZ] OT The mighty fell My Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey

I had left it with around three gallons of fuel in the tank for 8
hours or so.


Condensation becomes a problem when the temperature cycles up
and down.  With a lot of room in the tank for air, more comes
in and releases its moisture into the tank.  For short periods
of time, it really doesn't matter.  Likewise if the temperature
is not fluctuating much.  Also, below freezing there isn't all
that much water vapor in the air to begin with.  This recent
arctic blast, though cold, has been _much_ less of a PITA
than warmer temperatures that leave ice all over windows, etc.


I filled up and hit the highway. I got about 5 miles and
it just quit.


Can you say 'bad gas'?  Fillup followed by a stalled engine a
few miles down the road is classic.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] OT The mighty fell My Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-19 Thread Zoltan Finks

It was based on how much fuel went into the tank when I filled up.

Brian

Steve wrote:
Was your observation on tank level based on memory of when last topped up,
or the gauge? Gauges can do odd things in the cold, on older cars.


[MBZ] OT The mighty fell My Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-18 Thread Zoltan Finks

It's pretty funny that we were just discussing broken down cars in the
cold, and I touted Saabs as being well-designed for cold.

For the first time, mine let me down. It was about 5 below zero and I
was on the highway. Best I can guess, there's frozen water in the fuel
lines?

I had left it with around three gallons of fuel in the tank for 8
hours or so. I'd done that many times in the past in similar
temperature. I filled up and hit the highway. I got about 5 miles and
it just quit.

I noticed as I tried to restart it that the electric fuel pump sounds
different - more labored perhaps. Hoping that warmer temps and some
Heet may solve it. We haven't been in the habit of putting any money
in the car - just using it 'til something big goes wrong.

Brian
84 Saab 900



Re: [MBZ] OT The mighty fell My Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Those console-mounted ignition switches stuck down where salt and crud 
could get to them, rotting them out.  I had a girlfriend at one time who 
had an old Saab, she called me one day and said the car would not turn 
off.  So I go there, and the switch was stuck on and could not be 
offed.  I can't remember what I did, I think maybe told her to drive 
it to a shop where they replaced it.  At least she wasn't stranded by 
not being able to on it.  Another buddy had a Saab, had to replace the 
switch a time or two as well (and from junk falling in it from above).


I inferred that they don't use salt on the roads in Svenska, or carry 
drinks, or have toddlers that emit upon them.


--R

Zoltan Finks wrote:

It's pretty funny that we were just discussing broken down cars in the
cold, and I touted Saabs as being well-designed for cold.


  





Re: [MBZ] OT The mighty fell My Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-18 Thread Zoltan Finks

Yes, while I appreciate why they did it, the console coke-catcher
ignition is in a certain sense a design flaw.

Recently I found that ice had built up in there (sunroof leaks a bit,
and then it froze in the ignition switch). Some rubbing alcohol
usually cures it. I also took a lighter to the key.

Brian

On 1/18/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Those console-mounted ignition switches stuck down where salt and crud
could get to them, rotting them out.  I had a girlfriend at one time who
had an old Saab, she called me one day and said the car would not turn
off.  So I go there, and the switch was stuck on and could not be
offed.  I can't remember what I did, I think maybe told her to drive
it to a shop where they replaced it.  At least she wasn't stranded by
not being able to on it.  Another buddy had a Saab, had to replace the
switch a time or two as well (and from junk falling in it from above).

I inferred that they don't use salt on the roads in Svenska, or carry
drinks, or have toddlers that emit upon them.

--R

Zoltan Finks wrote:
 It's pretty funny that we were just discussing broken down cars in the
 cold, and I touted Saabs as being well-designed for cold.





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Re: [MBZ] OT The mighty fell My Saab stranded me in cold

2007-01-18 Thread Steve MacSween
on 1/18/07 1:09 PM, Zoltan Finks at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I had left it with around three gallons of fuel in the tank for 8
 hours or so. I'd done that many times in the past in similar
 temperature. I filled up and hit the highway. I got about 5 miles and
 it just quit.

Was your observation on tank level based on memory of when last topped up,
or the gauge? Gauges can do odd things in the cold, on older cars.

You are more or less guaranteed to have condensation in the tank that can
freeze, unless you periodically use something to 'dry' out the fuel. You
might have ice blocking the sock on the pickup in the tank.

Mac