Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

And this is liberal paradise?

On 2/3/2020 9:35 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

That is minimum wage there.  Nobody who has that job is living in Seattle 
itself, unless their home is a cardboard box.   About $6 a day to ride the bus. 
 No available parking in town for less than $5/hr.  Fuel is around $3.78/gal.  
My neighbor rents his 600 sqft basement out for $1200/mo which is DIRT CHEAP 
for Seattle.  Looked as renting out my tiny home to be able to keep it as an 
investment.  Market rate would be just under $4k/mo without utilities.  Current 
year's taxes came to $11k.

My mother’s home, 30 miles out of town saw a 21% increase in property taxes and 
value bump of around $48k in 2019.  The area is becoming a one per center 
haven, and the urban poor are moving out of town or into tents.

clay




On Feb 3, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

I saw on fakebook where some body is wanting to hire a dishwasher at their 
restaurant in Seattle for $16 per hour. If dishwashers make that the cost of 
living must be astronomical.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Having done work in and around a number of these government institutions when 
they were still in operation, I can’t help but wonder if they would continue to 
serve a useful purpose in this day in age.

I’m all for inclusion, but sadly, there are people who need to be 
institutionalized for their well being and care.

I suspect a fair number of the homeless I see around town might qualify for 
such care...

-D

> On Feb 4, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Very true.  Alaska had a 250 bed facility built a few decades ago.  It was 
> to handle all the needs statewide.  Somehow it became a 125 bed facility.  
> Currently there are about 10 beds for mental crisis patients.  The place was 
> shuttered last year due to improprieties of one manner or another committed 
> by the company running the place.  Brought back to life a few weeks later, no 
> larger, or better run it seems
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:28 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually during the Ronnie Rayguns administration the Powers That Be were 
>> convinced that involuntarily housing the mentally-ill violated their civil 
>> rights; hence, the facilities were shut down and the patients were allowed 
>> to make their own (usually bad) choices, which were most generally bad given 
>> their conditions. Never saw that coming...
>> 
>> This has created a situation now where there are few options for taking care 
>> of people with severe mental illness (recognizing that the old methods were 
>> often not particularly humane). 
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Clay via Mercedes]

Very true.  Alaska had a 250 bed facility built a few decades ago.  It was to 
handle all the needs statewide.  Somehow it became a 125 bed facility.  
Currently there are about 10 beds for mental crisis patients.  The place was 
shuttered last year due to improprieties of one manner or another committed by 
the company running the place.  Brought back to life a few weeks later, no 
larger, or better run it seems

clay


> On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:28 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Actually during the Ronnie Rayguns administration the Powers That Be were 
> convinced that involuntarily housing the mentally-ill violated their civil 
> rights; hence, the facilities were shut down and the patients were allowed to 
> make their own (usually bad) choices, which were most generally bad given 
> their conditions. Never saw that coming...
> 
> This has created a situation now where there are few options for taking care 
> of people with severe mental illness (recognizing that the old methods were 
> often not particularly humane). 
> 
> --FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Clay via Mercedes]

I am willing to lay it at the feet of the lawyers.  There is cash to be made in 
suing folks, and if you get out of the storage of nutcases, you reduce your 
exposure to legal actions.  Washington State has a pretty active nutcase 
litigation scene.  The truly incorrigible are housed there and assault health 
workers regularly.  Then the nurse or employee brings case against the powers 
for failure to provide a safe workspace.

There were homes for those needing extra care and attention.  I had a great 
uncle who was in residence for most of his life after coming back from the 
Great War in less than suitable condition.  He was put away due to self harm 
and being a danger to others back in the 1920’s.   When everybody decided it 
was a naughty thing to institutionalize people, he was released into the wild 
in 1985.  By that time he had no living family left, a nonagenarian with no 
life skills.  My mother told me he lasted a few months and died.

clay


> On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is so sad.   Glad we got to see seattle in 1993, when we shipped cars 
> there to avoid lost angels.Unfortunately, I'd guess Port of LA may now be 
> safer to pick up a car in, or to ship one out.  What we saw in May was 
> certainly not scary.   That was the san pedro part, to see the BB-61.   A few 
> homeless and panhandlers out at night, but nothing scary.
> 
> 
> So tell me:  Up until 1970 or so, we had county homes or county farms. The 
> indigent and mildly nutty were housed there in exchange for whatever help 
> they could lend to maintaining the place. (growing food, work in the kitchen, 
> building, or grounds)   The true nut cases were in mental institutes, with 3 
> hots and a cot.   We were told that was "cruel." and they should be turned 
> out into the streets by the so-cal justus war-eoreiors.
> 
> Is it more cruel to keep indigents housed, fed, clothed, washed and employed 
> (to some extent) or to have them wandering the streets panhandling and using 
> whatever other means they come up with?
> Is it more cruel to keep nutcases housed, fed and clothed and washed etc, or 
> to have them wandering the streets, and assaulting whoever they feel like 
> assaulting?
> 
> Which of these choices is more cruel to the taxpayers?


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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[G Mann via Mercedes]

My Father, who served in the Legislature for nearly 20 years used to say,
"You cannot legislate common sense."  Now, it seems he was wise.

We have people in Congress that are to crazy to be in public without
restraints and escort, passing laws about what and how crazy people are to
be treated...


On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually during the Ronnie Rayguns administration the Powers That Be were
> convinced that involuntarily housing the mentally-ill violated their civil
> rights; hence, the facilities were shut down and the patients were allowed
> to make their own (usually bad) choices, which were most generally bad
> given their conditions. Never saw that coming...
>
> This has created a situation now where there are few options for taking
> care of people with severe mental illness (recognizing that the old methods
> were often not particularly humane).
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Feb 3, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > That is so sad.   Glad we got to see seattle in 1993, when we shipped
> cars there to avoid lost angels.Unfortunately, I'd guess Port of LA may
> now be safer to pick up a car in, or to ship one out.  What we saw in May
> was certainly not scary.   That was the san pedro part, to see the BB-61.
>  A few homeless and panhandlers out at night, but nothing scary.
> >
> >
> > So tell me:  Up until 1970 or so, we had county homes or county farms.
> The indigent and mildly nutty were housed there in exchange for whatever
> help they could lend to maintaining the place. (growing food, work in the
> kitchen, building, or grounds)   The true nut cases were in mental
> institutes, with 3 hots and a cot.   We were told that was "cruel." and
> they should be turned out into the streets by the so-cal justus
> war-eoreiors.
> >
> > Is it more cruel to keep indigents housed, fed, clothed, washed and
> employed (to some extent) or to have them wandering the streets panhandling
> and using whatever other means they come up with?
> > Is it more cruel to keep nutcases housed, fed and clothed and washed
> etc, or to have them wandering the streets, and assaulting whoever they
> feel like assaulting?
> >
> > Which of these choices is more cruel to the taxpayers?
> >
> >
> >> Clay via Mercedes 
> >> February 3, 2020 at 9:43 PM
> >> The homeless and insane are so bad, that fire fighters will not respond
> to some addresses without full police escorts. Usual turn out is four
> cruisers per engine because so many first responders were being injured.
> >>
> >> Not sure if it made national news, but last week there was a shoot out
> on a downtown street corner (outside McD) Three or four shooters (teens of
> color) firing into a crowd, killed a few people, injured many more. Chronic
> drug dealing and people in deep crisis in that area is so bad that
> businesses are closing and moving out because their employees are to scared
> to come to work.
> >>
> >> That $16 is not even enough to be thought of as hazard pay. My youngest
> boy was making $16 for his 2018 summer job. Scared the piss out of him so
> bad to work in town that he chose to work in ANC for $8.85/hr instead.
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It was a Bipartisan bill killed mental health care, through the Omnibus 
Reconciliation Act. Reagan signed it. Both parties are responsible. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Latta_Budget

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/97th_United_States_Congress

https://www.thebalance.com/omnibus-budget-reconciliation-act-3305757

https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitutionalization-3306067

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

BTW, thank you for providing me with something of interest to research. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Without going into the details, nor addressing the political aspect of this, 
Ronald Reagan was pretty much the one who ditched government sponsored 
resources such as the ones you mention. In fairness, it wasn’t totally an 
effort to get government out of the business of caring for the indigent and 
mentally challenged, more so a somewhat twisted approach to not meddle in 
people’s lives. There were a lot of people fomenting a revolt for -abled people 
have more control over their lives.

The pendulum swung far, far beyond what I believe a lot of people expected, 
essentially leaving those in need of support and services to pretty well fend 
for themselves.

-D

> On Feb 3, 2020, at 11:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is so sad.   Glad we got to see seattle in 1993, when we shipped cars 
> there to avoid lost angels.Unfortunately, I'd guess Port of LA may now be 
> safer to pick up a car in, or to ship one out.  What we saw in May was 
> certainly not scary.   That was the san pedro part, to see the BB-61.   A few 
> homeless and panhandlers out at night, but nothing scary.
> 
> 
> So tell me:  Up until 1970 or so, we had county homes or county farms. The 
> indigent and mildly nutty were housed there in exchange for whatever help 
> they could lend to maintaining the place. (growing food, work in the kitchen, 
> building, or grounds)   The true nut cases were in mental institutes, with 3 
> hots and a cot.   We were told that was "cruel." and they should be turned 
> out into the streets by the so-cal justus war-eoreiors.
> 
> Is it more cruel to keep indigents housed, fed, clothed, washed and employed 
> (to some extent) or to have them wandering the streets panhandling and using 
> whatever other means they come up with?
> Is it more cruel to keep nutcases housed, fed and clothed and washed etc, or 
> to have them wandering the streets, and assaulting whoever they feel like 
> assaulting?
> 
> Which of these choices is more cruel to the taxpayers?
> 
> 
>> Clay via Mercedes 
>> February 3, 2020 at 9:43 PM
>> The homeless and insane are so bad, that fire fighters will not respond to 
>> some addresses without full police escorts. Usual turn out is four cruisers 
>> per engine because so many first responders were being injured.
>> 
>> Not sure if it made national news, but last week there was a shoot out on a 
>> downtown street corner (outside McD) Three or four shooters (teens of color) 
>> firing into a crowd, killed a few people, injured many more. Chronic drug 
>> dealing and people in deep crisis in that area is so bad that businesses are 
>> closing and moving out because their employees are to scared to come to work.
>> 
>> That $16 is not even enough to be thought of as hazard pay. My youngest boy 
>> was making $16 for his 2018 summer job. Scared the piss out of him so bad to 
>> work in town that he chose to work in ANC for $8.85/hr instead.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Actually during the Ronnie Rayguns administration the Powers That Be were 
convinced that involuntarily housing the mentally-ill violated their civil 
rights; hence, the facilities were shut down and the patients were allowed to 
make their own (usually bad) choices, which were most generally bad given their 
conditions. Never saw that coming...

This has created a situation now where there are few options for taking care of 
people with severe mental illness (recognizing that the old methods were often 
not particularly humane). 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is so sad.   Glad we got to see seattle in 1993, when we shipped cars 
> there to avoid lost angels.Unfortunately, I'd guess Port of LA may now be 
> safer to pick up a car in, or to ship one out.  What we saw in May was 
> certainly not scary.   That was the san pedro part, to see the BB-61.   A few 
> homeless and panhandlers out at night, but nothing scary.
> 
> 
> So tell me:  Up until 1970 or so, we had county homes or county farms. The 
> indigent and mildly nutty were housed there in exchange for whatever help 
> they could lend to maintaining the place. (growing food, work in the kitchen, 
> building, or grounds)   The true nut cases were in mental institutes, with 3 
> hots and a cot.   We were told that was "cruel." and they should be turned 
> out into the streets by the so-cal justus war-eoreiors.
> 
> Is it more cruel to keep indigents housed, fed, clothed, washed and employed 
> (to some extent) or to have them wandering the streets panhandling and using 
> whatever other means they come up with?
> Is it more cruel to keep nutcases housed, fed and clothed and washed etc, or 
> to have them wandering the streets, and assaulting whoever they feel like 
> assaulting?
> 
> Which of these choices is more cruel to the taxpayers?
> 
> 
>> Clay via Mercedes 
>> February 3, 2020 at 9:43 PM
>> The homeless and insane are so bad, that fire fighters will not respond to 
>> some addresses without full police escorts. Usual turn out is four cruisers 
>> per engine because so many first responders were being injured.
>> 
>> Not sure if it made national news, but last week there was a shoot out on a 
>> downtown street corner (outside McD) Three or four shooters (teens of color) 
>> firing into a crowd, killed a few people, injured many more. Chronic drug 
>> dealing and people in deep crisis in that area is so bad that businesses are 
>> closing and moving out because their employees are to scared to come to work.
>> 
>> That $16 is not even enough to be thought of as hazard pay. My youngest boy 
>> was making $16 for his 2018 summer job. Scared the piss out of him so bad to 
>> work in town that he chose to work in ANC for $8.85/hr instead.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is so sad.   Glad we got to see seattle in 1993, when we shipped 
cars there to avoid lost angels.    Unfortunately, I'd guess Port of LA 
may now be safer to pick up a car in, or to ship one out.  What we saw 
in May was certainly not scary.   That was the san pedro part, to see 
the BB-61.   A few homeless and panhandlers out at night, but nothing scary.



So tell me:  Up until 1970 or so, we had county homes or county farms. 
The indigent and mildly nutty were housed there in exchange for whatever 
help they could lend to maintaining the place. (growing food, work in 
the kitchen, building, or grounds)   The true nut cases were in mental 
institutes, with 3 hots and a cot.   We were told that was "cruel." and 
they should be turned out into the streets by the so-cal justus 
war-eoreiors.


Is it more cruel to keep indigents housed, fed, clothed, washed and 
employed (to some extent) or to have them wandering the streets 
panhandling and using whatever other means they come up with?
Is it more cruel to keep nutcases housed, fed and clothed and washed 
etc, or to have them wandering the streets, and assaulting whoever they 
feel like assaulting?


Which of these choices is more cruel to the taxpayers?



Clay via Mercedes 
February 3, 2020 at 9:43 PM
The homeless and insane are so bad, that fire fighters will not 
respond to some addresses without full police escorts. Usual turn out 
is four cruisers per engine because so many first responders were 
being injured.


Not sure if it made national news, but last week there was a shoot out 
on a downtown street corner (outside McD) Three or four shooters 
(teens of color) firing into a crowd, killed a few people, injured 
many more. Chronic drug dealing and people in deep crisis in that area 
is so bad that businesses are closing and moving out because their 
employees are to scared to come to work.


That $16 is not even enough to be thought of as hazard pay. My 
youngest boy was making $16 for his 2018 summer job. Scared the piss 
out of him so bad to work in town that he chose to work in ANC for 
$8.85/hr instead.


clay




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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Clay via Mercedes]

Very few are economically disadvantaged residents.  The invasion of the 
unhoused are almost 80% new to the region, having heard that it is a sweet 
place to live in anarchy, due to the socialist justice attitude of elected 
officials.  The cops stopped responding, knowing the amount of paperwork would 
not result in any action.  Persecutors just let the worst of humanity go with 
no repercussions.  

Check out the youtubes for “Seattle is dying”.  That is state of the art for 18 
months ago.  It has gotten much worse.

There is ample housing being built.  For the very wealthy who are able to 
afford a million dollar 700 sqft condo in a highrise tower within blocks of 
Amazon and Google offices.  Not that it is actually safe for them to walk to 
work with the nuts and flakes wandering the streets.  Another neighbor works at 
the River or Large Feminist and he takes a company bus the five miles to work 
for his own safety.  Told of some who live close to the hive talking of hiring 
private security (armed) to escort them to work and back.

clay

> On Feb 3, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are all the homeless due to the high cost of living in that liberal paradise?

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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Clay via Mercedes]

The homeless and insane are so bad, that fire fighters will not respond to some 
addresses without full police escorts.  Usual turn out is four cruisers per 
engine because so many first responders were being injured.  

Not sure if it made national news, but last week there was a shoot out on a 
downtown street corner (outside McD)  Three or four shooters (teens of color) 
firing into a crowd, killed a few people, injured many more.  Chronic drug 
dealing and people in deep crisis in that area is so bad that businesses are 
closing and moving out because their employees are to scared to come to work.  

That $16 is not even enough to be thought of as hazard pay.  My youngest boy 
was making $16 for his 2018 summer job.  Scared the piss out of him so bad to 
work in town that he chose to work in ANC for $8.85/hr instead.

clay 


> On Feb 3, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m sure Clay will confirm but it is.
> 
> And you have to wade through all the homeless people to get to work.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I saw on fakebook where some body is wanting to hire a dishwasher at their 
>> restaurant in Seattle for $16 per hour. If dishwashers make that the cost of 
>> living must be astronomical. 


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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Clay via Mercedes]

That is minimum wage there.  Nobody who has that job is living in Seattle 
itself, unless their home is a cardboard box.   About $6 a day to ride the bus. 
 No available parking in town for less than $5/hr.  Fuel is around $3.78/gal.  
My neighbor rents his 600 sqft basement out for $1200/mo which is DIRT CHEAP 
for Seattle.  Looked as renting out my tiny home to be able to keep it as an 
investment.  Market rate would be just under $4k/mo without utilities.  Current 
year's taxes came to $11k.

My mother’s home, 30 miles out of town saw a 21% increase in property taxes and 
value bump of around $48k in 2019.  The area is becoming a one per center 
haven, and the urban poor are moving out of town or into tents.

clay 



> On Feb 3, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I saw on fakebook where some body is wanting to hire a dishwasher at their 
> restaurant in Seattle for $16 per hour. If dishwashers make that the cost of 
> living must be astronomical. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Exactly.  TANSTAFL played out in real life.  Physics and economics will
always win.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 7:27 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Are all the homeless due to the high cost of living in that liberal
> paradise?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 3, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> > I’m sure Clay will confirm but it is.
> >
> > And you have to wade through all the homeless people to get to work.
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> > -D
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> >>
> >> I saw on fakebook where some body is wanting to hire a dishwasher at
> their restaurant in Seattle for $16 per hour. If dishwashers make that the
> cost of living must be astronomical.
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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Are all the homeless due to the high cost of living in that liberal paradise?

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> On Feb 3, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m sure Clay will confirm but it is.
> 
> And you have to wade through all the homeless people to get to work.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I saw on fakebook where some body is wanting to hire a dishwasher at their 
>> restaurant in Seattle for $16 per hour. If dishwashers make that the cost of 
>> living must be astronomical. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m sure Clay will confirm but it is.

And you have to wade through all the homeless people to get to work.

-D


> On Feb 3, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I saw on fakebook where some body is wanting to hire a dishwasher at their 
> restaurant in Seattle for $16 per hour. If dishwashers make that the cost of 
> living must be astronomical. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] OT cost of living in Seattle

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I saw on fakebook where some body is wanting to hire a dishwasher at their 
restaurant in Seattle for $16 per hour. If dishwashers make that the cost of 
living must be astronomical. 

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