[MBZ] Oil Analysis - Lube Tips
Hi All - I get a newsletter from a group called Machinery Lubrication - http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Page/subscriptions IMO the title is a little misleading – the topics for this month are: a.. Beware of Blue Engine Smoke b.. Comparing Gasoline and Diesel Engine Oils c.. Why Change the Type of Oil? d.. How Filter Quality Affects Oil Analysis IMO these topics are very important to many of us - anyway – feel free to subscribe or visit their website - LarryT 74 911 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - Lube Tips
Do you (or does anyone) do analysis on transmission fluid? Is there any reason to think that would be beneficial? Allan Larry l02tur...@comcast.net writes: Hi All - I get a newsletter from a group called Machinery Lubrication - http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Page/subscriptions IMO the title is a little misleading – the topics for this month are: a.. Beware of Blue Engine Smoke b.. Comparing Gasoline and Diesel Engine Oils c.. Why Change the Type of Oil? d.. How Filter Quality Affects Oil Analysis IMO these topics are very important to many of us - anyway – feel free to subscribe or visit their website - LarryT 74 911 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - Lube Tips
We do it when requested - actually any kind of lubricant or hydraulic fluid can be tested - but the tests done less often are more costly - like gasoline and brake fluid tests. IIRC, transaxles, rear ends and engines are all the same price. As far as need? For the same reasons as doing engines - to evaluate wear and contamination - especially when trying to understand what a PO may have done... LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - Lube Tips Do you (or does anyone) do analysis on transmission fluid? Is there any reason to think that would be beneficial? Allan Larry l02tur...@comcast.net writes: Hi All - I get a newsletter from a group called Machinery Lubrication - http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Page/subscriptions IMO the title is a little misleading – the topics for this month are: a.. Beware of Blue Engine Smoke b.. Comparing Gasoline and Diesel Engine Oils c.. Why Change the Type of Oil? d.. How Filter Quality Affects Oil Analysis IMO these topics are very important to many of us - anyway – feel free to subscribe or visit their website - LarryT 74 911 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS
Howdy - I thought some might like to see the results of using AMSOIL 15w40 long term in a tractor trailer rig used on long hauls. If anyone would like to see the actual Analysis Report which has 6 test results on it. The ZDDP components are pretty high with Zinc around 1380 1776. The Phosphorus is between 1080 1560. Mileage for oil change intervals is between 15,900 54,540 - talk about LONG INTERVALS! Total miles on the engine is over 500,000. All the test results are pretty low - well within limits. if anyone would like to see the report with all of the details, just ask - I don't think the server will allow it through to the list - but if you want one just ask. I think I'll switch to Amsoil!;-) LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS
LarryT wrote: Howdy - I thought some might like to see the results of using AMSOIL 15w40 long term in a tractor trailer rig used on long hauls. Just remember that those 12 and 14 liter engines are _not_ the same as our little Mercedes. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS
Hmm... other than the obvious Size/# of cylinders and I believe the starting mechanism/system is different - how do they differ? Both are internal compression style engines, right? I must be missing something. Please explain Do you think the differences allow oil to have longer, easier life? Not being combative, I just want to understand... TIA - LarryT -Original Message- From: Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS LarryT wrote: Howdy - I thought some might like to see the results of using AMSOIL 15w40 long term in a tractor trailer rig used on long hauls. Just remember that those 12 and 14 liter engines are _not_ the same as our little Mercedes. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS
When you do change the oil on one of those, how much does it take? -Dave Walton On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:49 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Howdy - I thought some might like to see the results of using AMSOIL 15w40 long term in a tractor trailer rig used on long hauls. If anyone would like to see the actual Analysis Report which has 6 test results on it. The ZDDP components are pretty high with Zinc around 1380 1776. The Phosphorus is between 1080 1560. Mileage for oil change intervals is between 15,900 54,540 - talk about LONG INTERVALS! Total miles on the engine is over 500,000. All the test results are pretty low - well within limits. if anyone would like to see the report with all of the details, just ask - I don't think the server will allow it through to the list - but if you want one just ask. I think I'll switch to Amsoil!;-) LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS
Did you ever do similar analysis while using conventional oils? I have to wonder if long haul truck engines perform better using expensive synthetic oils. One would think that cold starts are the hardest on engines and those of us who drive short stop and go trips will benefit more from synthetic oil than a truck that may run for days without shutting down. Randy On 26/07/2011 2:12 PM, Dave Walton wrote: When you do change the oil on one of those, how much does it take? -Dave Walton On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:49 PM, LarryTl02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Howdy - I thought some might like to see the results of using AMSOIL 15w40 long term in a tractor trailer rig used on long hauls. If anyone would like to see the actual Analysis Report which has 6 test results on it. The ZDDP components are pretty high with Zinc around 1380 1776. The Phosphorus is between 1080 1560. Mileage for oil change intervals is between 15,900 54,540 - talk about LONG INTERVALS! Total miles on the engine is over 500,000. All the test results are pretty low - well within limits. if anyone would like to see the report with all of the details, just ask - I don't think the server will allow it through to the list - but if you want one just ask. I think I'll switch to Amsoil!;-) LarryT 91 300D ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS
Which reminds me I need to order some more kits... Theres not really enough information here to base a judgment of Amsoil on. We'd need to see a comparison with something else. We'd also need to know how much makeup oil he's put in over that mileage (gallons I'm betting) and the filtration system. Big rigs are probably easier on oil than cars, the revs are limited and they have a minimum of startup cycles. Plus they usually have extra filters so they can use their oil longer. I'm not saying Amsoil doesn't make good oil I'm just saying theres not much here to go on. Noticed the other day my local Car-Quest has Royal Purple 20w50 for pennies more than Mobil 1. Considering trying some though I think I'd ask if they could order in some 15w40. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:49:29 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS Message-ID: CC4A34254F1A4844806A53E4141633F6@DebbiePC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Howdy - I thought some might like to see the results of using AMSOIL 15w40 long term in a tractor trailer rig used on long hauls. If anyone would like to see the actual Analysis Report which has 6 test results on it. The ZDDP components are pretty high with Zinc around 1380 1776. The Phosphorus is between 1080 1560. Mileage for oil change intervals is between 15,900 54,540 - talk about LONG INTERVALS! Total miles on the engine is over 500,000. All the test results are pretty low - well within limits. if anyone would like to see the report with all of the details, just ask - I don't think the server will allow it through to the list - but if you want one just ask. I think I'll switch to Amsoil!;-) LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS
LarryT wrote: Hmm... other than the obvious Size/# of cylinders and I believe the starting mechanism/system is different - how do they differ? Both are internal compression style engines, right? I must be missing something. Please explain The N14 Cummins (BC-III) I'm most familiar with has no heat/glow for starting - just crank. Worked well to about -15C (0F). Direct injection An oil change requires 10.5 gallons, typically. Recommended change interval is at least 12,000 miles though 20,000 miles does not really count as extended drain interval. With analysis 40k is quite common on dino oil. That's about 3 months for a typical solo-driven OTR truck. 60,000 miles is not rare with synthetics. The much larger combustion chamber results in a different combustion environment. I can tell by exhaust smell the difference between those type engines and any other diesel engine I have encountered. If the exhaust is that different, I suspect the oil load is too. Peak engine speed is about 2100 RPM. Long idle is common. Cold start is rare. Max power occurs often and can continue for many minutes. Like a 220D, only more so. Do you think the differences allow oil to have longer, easier life? Not being combative, I just want to understand... Either it's an easier life for the oil - or there is just more of it to share the work. But 15,900 miles (the low number) between drains is common. That might compare to saying 4,000 miles for a car. 54,540 is well beyond normal, but my no means would I call that extreme - just rather long. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS
Not sure about the latest versions of heavy truck engines, but while a MB, even the old OM621 and OM636 are made to run up to 5000 RPM, the truck engines generally run around 2000 and redline in the 2500 range. 2. Most truck engines don't have injection advance units, and only have power in a narrow band. Newer computerized engines have a wider band and do the injection advance by computer, rather than mechanically 3. Most truck engines are direct injection, not prechamber engines. 4. Truck engines take gallons of oil, not quarts. they are designed for longer service intervals with more oil and other design differences. I don't think size of cylinders is a big influence, but probably has some, as the bigger the jug, the slower the crank. Locomotive engines with watermelon size pistons turn slower than truck engines. Ship Diesels, with pistons in the bushels range, turn slower than locomotive Diesel. Hmm... other than the obvious Size/# of cylinders and I believe the starting mechanism/system is different - how do they differ? Both are internal compression style engines, right? I must be missing something. Please explain Do you think the differences allow oil to have longer, easier life? Not being combative, I just want to understand... TIA - LarryT -Original Message- From: Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OIL ANALYSIS LarryT wrote: Howdy - I thought some might like to see the results of using AMSOIL 15w40 long term in a tractor trailer rig used on long hauls. Just remember that those 12 and 14 liter engines are _not_ the same as our little Mercedes. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil Analysis
Larry, Are you still offering a discount on your 3-pack or 4-pack of oil testing kits? Does your lab provide the soot load for those of us with compression ignition? Thanks, Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Trunk Seal There's a ~3/4 drain in each of those wells - with a rubber boot to keep stuff from the road coming in through them They'd drain water though - as long as leaves, maps, gloves, etc aren't covering them. YMMV LarryT 91 300D 78 240D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts
Hello all - At the request of OK Don I have started the $5 discount program again so when someone buys a 3 or 4 kit Oil Analysis package. The Discount Code is - Mercedes. Enjoy - LarryT https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership for anyone interested! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts
Don suggested the Website address might be helpful - Very true ;-) http://youroil.net Sorry - https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested! - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts Hello all - At the request of OK Don I have started the $5 discount program again so when someone buys a 3 or 4 kit Oil Analysis package. The Discount Code is - Mercedes. Enjoy - LarryT https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership for anyone interested! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts
On Sun, 3 May 2009 18:26:43 -0400 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership for anyone interested! Did you add this to your email, or does comcast add it for you? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts
It's from me https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested! - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts On Sun, 3 May 2009 18:26:43 -0400 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership for anyone interested! Did you add this to your email, or does comcast add it for you? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts
I was on-board until I read about the free NRA membership. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hello all - At the request of OK Don I have started the $5 discount program again so when someone buys a 3 or 4 kit Oil Analysis package. The Discount Code is - Mercedes. Enjoy - LarryT https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership for anyone interested! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090503/0ab4b137/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts
Why? You don't have to join. All NRA members are not bad any more than any other group. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: I was on-board until I read about the free NRA membership. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hello all - At the request of OK Don I have started the $5 discount program again so when someone buys a 3 or 4 kit Oil Analysis package. The Discount Code is - Mercedes. Enjoy - LarryT -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090503/9a2a8a7f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts
It was tongue in cheek. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:16 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Why? You don't have to join. All NRA members are not bad any more than any other group. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: I was on-board until I read about the free NRA membership. -- The only absolute is that everything is relative. --Henri de Saint Simon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090503/8410ded1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis Discounts
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - bypass oil filter
I do.
15w50 in my Cub Cadet because its old ('64) and blowing smoke, its better with
the heavier oil yet still starts in the winter to plow snow.
10w30 in the mowers at camp as neither of them seems to burn any oil at all and
thats the weight I was using in the Dakota so I could stock one less oil. The
Ranger I have now uses 5w30 so I'll probably switch to that, the mowers
probably won't notice.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:20:33 -0400
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Should I use Mobil 1 in my garden tractor/mower? If so, what weight, how
often should I change it, and how often should I have it analyzed?
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Re: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron
I wish we had more test history to compare to, just one test doesn't really tell us much. If it were me I'd go to dino oil, run it until the next change interval and test again. 29 and 71 aren't all that high, when I first started testing my 190D the Iron levels were very high, over 100, after a few oil changes that came down to an acceptable level. I've theorized that engine was sludged up by the previous owner. In your case we know that isn't the issue but I've read several cases where using synthetics has caused metals levels to stay high for a longer period of break in. I still think you're seeing breakin metals which I think will go away if you use dino oil for 10-20,000 miles. 50,000 miles is nothing to a 617 engine, maybe 1/8th of expected lifespan... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:25:49 +0200 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2ea1fde20904251225x2e98a939t57612fa86b79c...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The car is well run in at 5miles! I ran dino in it for about 3000 miles. BTW the OEM oil filter is a bypass filter , the top 2/3 of the filter is the bypass section , the lower section is full flow. I'm really concerned about the Copper and Iron wear components - BTW my other OM617 engine tested has only done about 3000miles since rebuild and its Copper is 13 ppm and Iron 33 ppm, so its not normal initial wear metal problem I have on my 5miler. Peter 2009/4/25 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 80,000 km is about 50,000 miles? Its possible the engine is still breaking in, how long was the original fill oil in the engine? How bad are the oil leaks? My 190D (OM601) has Mobil 1 5w40 and leaks a quart of oil in about 1,500 miles (so say 1 liter in ~2,400km) and is still improving. If you have more serious leaks might I suggest fixing them? I use Mobil 1 because I drive a lot and this way I only need to change the oil 2 or 3 times a year @ 15,000 mile intervals which my analysis supports. Marshall said that without a bypass oil filter you couldn't really do long change intervals on a 617 engine because the soot loading would get too high and I believe that. In my 240D I run Delvac 1300 because of that. Of course that car leaks a quart in ~200 miles because of bad oil cooler lines... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090426/66a1c693/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron
Did my first oil analysis on my Om617 300D. This engine I overhauled some 5 years and 8 km ago ( I assembled all myself ) . After initial fill its run on Mobil 1 only . Oil analysis came up with high Copper - @ 29 ppm and Iron @ 71 ppm . Lab report said that this could possibly be pump wear ( Injector or oil - not sure ) . Oil had only done 1800 km since oil change . Any suggestions where to go from here. I'm keen to change to Dino oil as the oil leaks are driving me mad! ( My other 3 cars were all OK - OM617 *2 and Om603 - they are all on Dino oil ) Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/b2d43a92/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron
80,000 km is about 50,000 miles? Its possible the engine is still breaking in, how long was the original fill oil in the engine? How bad are the oil leaks? My 190D (OM601) has Mobil 1 5w40 and leaks a quart of oil in about 1,500 miles (so say 1 liter in ~2,400km) and is still improving. If you have more serious leaks might I suggest fixing them? I use Mobil 1 because I drive a lot and this way I only need to change the oil 2 or 3 times a year @ 15,000 mile intervals which my analysis supports. Marshall said that without a bypass oil filter you couldn't really do long change intervals on a 617 engine because the soot loading would get too high and I believe that. In my 240D I run Delvac 1300 because of that. Of course that car leaks a quart in ~200 miles because of bad oil cooler lines... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:00:08 +0200 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2ea1fde20904250800vd534288ib0f291c680318...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Did my first oil analysis on my Om617 300D. This engine I overhauled some 5 years and 8 km ago ( I assembled all myself ) . After initial fill its run on Mobil 1 only . Oil analysis came up with high Copper - @ 29 ppm and Iron @ 71 ppm . Lab report said that this could possibly be pump wear ( Injector or oil - not sure ) . Oil had only done 1800 km since oil change . Any suggestions where to go from here. I'm keen to change to Dino oil as the oil leaks are driving me mad! ( My other 3 cars were all OK - OM617 *2 and Om603 - they are all on Dino oil ) Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/b2d43a92/attachment.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/4f309f9c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - bypass oil filter
I have heard this recommendation also, that soot precludes extended oil changes on an engine like the 617. However, isn't the oil filter on a 617 actually a 2-stage filter with one of the stages a bypass filter? Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:41 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron 80,000 km is about 50,000 miles? Its possible the engine is still breaking in, how long was the original fill oil in the engine? How bad are the oil leaks? My 190D (OM601) has Mobil 1 5w40 and leaks a quart of oil in about 1,500 miles (so say 1 liter in ~2,400km) and is still improving. If you have more serious leaks might I suggest fixing them? I use Mobil 1 because I drive a lot and this way I only need to change the oil 2 or 3 times a year @ 15,000 mile intervals which my analysis supports. Marshall said that without a bypass oil filter you couldn't really do long change intervals on a 617 engine because the soot loading would get too high and I believe that. In my 240D I run Delvac 1300 because of that. Of course that car leaks a quart in ~200 miles because of bad oil cooler lines... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:00:08 +0200 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2ea1fde20904250800vd534288ib0f291c680318...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Did my first oil analysis on my Om617 300D. This engine I overhauled some 5 years and 8 km ago ( I assembled all myself ) . After initial fill its run on Mobil 1 only . Oil analysis came up with high Copper - @ 29 ppm and Iron @ 71 ppm . Lab report said that this could possibly be pump wear ( Injector or oil - not sure ) . Oil had only done 1800 km since oil change . Any suggestions where to go from here. I'm keen to change to Dino oil as the oil leaks are driving me mad! ( My other 3 cars were all OK - OM617 *2 and Om603 - they are all on Dino oil ) Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/b2 d43a92/attachment.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/4f 309f9c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - bypass oil filter
Depends on what you consider an extended interval to be --- Curt is tunning 15,000 mile between changes - I call that extended. I run 12,000 to 15,000 miles between changes of Mobil 1, based on analysis resutls, the soot is still within range. Could probably go 20,000, but I won't push it that far. FWIW, mine are/were all 60x engines. You really need to have the oil analyzed to make an informed decision. The engine, oil, location, and driving patterns will all affect the results. On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: I have heard this recommendation also, that soot precludes extended oil changes on an engine like the 617. However, isn't the oil filter on a 617 actually a 2-stage filter with one of the stages a bypass filter? -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/017651f6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - bypass oil filter
Should I use Mobil 1 in my garden tractor/mower? If so, what weight, how often should I change it, and how often should I have it analyzed? ; Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - bypass oil filter Depends on what you consider an extended interval to be --- Curt is tunning 15,000 mile between changes - I call that extended. I run 12,000 to 15,000 miles between changes of Mobil 1, based on analysis resutls, the soot is still within range. Could probably go 20,000, but I won't push it that far. FWIW, mine are/were all 60x engines. You really need to have the oil analyzed to make an informed decision. The engine, oil, location, and driving patterns will all affect the results. On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: I have heard this recommendation also, that soot precludes extended oil changes on an engine like the 617. However, isn't the oil filter on a 617 actually a 2-stage filter with one of the stages a bypass filter? -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos KD5NRO The important thing in aeroplanes is that they shall be speedy Baron Manfred von Richthofen -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/017651f6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron
The car is well run in at 5miles! I ran dino in it for about 3000 miles. BTW the OEM oil filter is a bypass filter , the top 2/3 of the filter is the bypass section , the lower section is full flow. I'm really concerned about the Copper and Iron wear components - BTW my other OM617 engine tested has only done about 3000miles since rebuild and its Copper is 13 ppm and Iron 33 ppm, so its not normal initial wear metal problem I have on my 5miler. Peter 2009/4/25 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 80,000 km is about 50,000 miles? Its possible the engine is still breaking in, how long was the original fill oil in the engine? How bad are the oil leaks? My 190D (OM601) has Mobil 1 5w40 and leaks a quart of oil in about 1,500 miles (so say 1 liter in ~2,400km) and is still improving. If you have more serious leaks might I suggest fixing them? I use Mobil 1 because I drive a lot and this way I only need to change the oil 2 or 3 times a year @ 15,000 mile intervals which my analysis supports. Marshall said that without a bypass oil filter you couldn't really do long change intervals on a 617 engine because the soot loading would get too high and I believe that. In my 240D I run Delvac 1300 because of that. Of course that car leaks a quart in ~200 miles because of bad oil cooler lines... -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:00:08 +0200 From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OIl Analysis - High Copper and Iron To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2ea1fde20904250800vd534288ib0f291c680318...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Did my first oil analysis on my Om617 300D. This engine I overhauled some 5 years and 8 km ago ( I assembled all myself ) . After initial fill its run on Mobil 1 only . Oil analysis came up with high Copper - @ 29 ppm and Iron @ 71 ppm . Lab report said that this could possibly be pump wear ( Injector or oil - not sure ) . Oil had only done 1800 km since oil change . Any suggestions where to go from here. I'm keen to change to Dino oil as the oil leaks are driving me mad! ( My other 3 cars were all OK - OM617 *2 and Om603 - they are all on Dino oil ) Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/b2d43a92/attachment.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/4f309f9c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090425/28b48641/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis - bypass oil filter
However, isn't the oil filter on a 617 actually a 2-stage filter with one of the stages a bypass filter? Yes, but I don't believe it's fine enough to trap soot. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Sorry about late response but mine is the non turbo 617.912 engine -no oil spray jets to cool pistons. I seemto recall that the oil pump thrust bearing that screws in at the top was quite worn when I overhauled the engine and was replaced with a new one. This thrust piece has a copper face that wears -perhaps this is the source of the copper? I think I will have to remove the current it and see if its worn On 28/10/2008, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and if the tops are not kept cool, oil can burn on the rings and in the grooves. This will create a problem similar to what Peter described. As always, it is just something to check, and not a diagnosis At 05:37 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: The oil spray nozzles are used for cooling the piston tops. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Hi Peter - re: more on the engine used with WVO - the lab I use hasn't seen enough WVO oil samples to know what the long term effects of using WVO are - they just haven't seen sufficient samples to create a unique set of information specifically for WVO engines. It's possible the WVO is causing the high numbers depending on the makeup of the WVO - it's likely WVO was obtained from a number of sources and some may not have been as pure as others or the base stoc could have come from unknown sources. There's too many variables. BTW. the lab I use has been doing this for nearly 50 years and has many commercial customers as well as car users. I assume it's possible the WVO wasn't used to process food? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
My comment earlier is that the WVO may have picked up iron from the fryer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Hi Peter - re: more on the engine used with WVO - the lab I use hasn't seen enough WVO oil samples to know what the long term effects of using WVO are - they just haven't seen sufficient samples to create a unique set of information specifically for WVO engines. It's possible the WVO is causing the high numbers depending on the makeup of the WVO - it's likely WVO was obtained from a number of sources and some may not have been as pure as others or the base stoc could have come from unknown sources. There's too many variables. BTW. the lab I use has been doing this for nearly 50 years and has many commercial customers as well as car users. I assume it's possible the WVO wasn't used to process food? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Hi Tom - I saw your comment - and I wasn't ignoring your contribution - I think you're correct -- I do wonder what other kinds of junk it (the WVO) might be picking up at the resturants while sitting around waiting to be picked up. Take care -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem My comment earlier is that the WVO may have picked up iron from the fryer. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Hi Peter - re: more on the engine used with WVO - the lab I use hasn't seen enough WVO oil samples to know what the long term effects of using WVO are - they just haven't seen sufficient samples to create a unique set of information specifically for WVO engines. It's possible the WVO is causing the high numbers depending on the makeup of the WVO - it's likely WVO was obtained from a number of sources and some may not have been as pure as others or the base stoc could have come from unknown sources. There's too many variables. BTW. the lab I use has been doing this for nearly 50 years and has many commercial customers as well as car users. I assume it's possible the WVO wasn't used to process food? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
The oil spray nozzles are used for cooling the piston tops. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Yes, and if the tops are not kept cool, oil can burn on the rings and in the grooves. This will create a problem similar to what Peter described. As always, it is just something to check, and not a diagnosis At 05:37 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: The oil spray nozzles are used for cooling the piston tops. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Is it possible the piston oil spray nozzles were not cleaned and working during the previous rebuild? That might account for the rings being carboned up the first time, and again now. At 04:40 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote: Hi Peter -- You asked what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? IIRC you wrote that a 300 W123 was the problem (in your fleet ;-) and I believe - not 100% sure - the 300D Turbo had squirters under the pistons and the non turbo did not - I believe those squirters cool the piston crowns and provide some lubrication to the cylinders - otherwise it comes from splashing of the crank. The carbon on the rings certainly sound like a strong likelyhood. What kind of driving does this car see? Any long distance/high speed stuff? I do not believe it has anything to do with your rebuilding technique. I suspect you are right about the machine shop not having enough crosshatch to get good ring bedding. It's also extremely important to have a shop that is xperienced with MB - hopeflly yours was. When I rebuilt my 240D I replaced the sleeves and pistons/rings - I had to replace the pistons because several rings had broken and damaged the piston grooves/lands. But when honing for new rings it's not all that difficult to do - Let me ponder this some -but those carboned rings really sound like the problem - but I wonder what caused it the 1st time? Any idea? Later -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Larry , compression is down - around 18 bar all round and starting has become more slightly more difficult. It did not achieve full 24 bar when newly overhauled and I can only ascribe this to not optimal machining. honing by engineering shop - perhaps this is the cause of the malay?? Oil pressure is 2 bar at idle hot and it pegs at 3 immediately. Was thinking - what actually lubricates the bores? is it splash/leaks from the small end? What is also unusual is that when I overhauled the engine all the rings where carboned up onto the piston on all 5 pistons. I suspect the same might be happening again. I was not however my driveing that contributed to this as I had just bought the car when I overahuauled it. My other Om617's show now sighn of similar problems - I also overhauled my 300GD ( a crack in head that had been repaired by previous owner was starting to leak ) and thats going well. Oil consumption is still low ( arround 0.2 l/ 1000 km ) PEter 2008/10/27 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the oil consumption from leaks or is it being burned? If burning, the time it is burning will help understand what might be wrong. If after idling for a few minutes you accelerate and leave a smoke trail bad valve guides are indicated. If it has white oil smoke whiledriving at a steady speed, rings are likely the problem - or something related to the pistons. A single oil sample is not as informative as several - preferably at intervals of 1500 miles or more. As Curt pointed out, results are best evaluated over time. The history of the engine is helpful info also - if used for short trips where it was not warmed enough to burn off carbon deposits a misleading indication can ccur -- Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results
[MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
The first results - the high iron copper and loosing compression tells me that your cylinder walls bearings are wearing at an accelerated rate. I believe that the analysis company is suggesting the oil pump as a possible cause but the cause could just as easily be a poor rebuild, improper break-in or running out of oil sometime in the engine's past. The second cause could be the same as the first or the waste oil may have come out of a deep fryer made of mild steel what's in the oil is from the engine's blow by. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1744 - Release Date: 10/24/2008 6:08 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
The one with high iron levels, did you do the rebuild yourself? Sounds like a bad job was done and the rings are breaking down... When I first got my 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels and would force an oil change at ~8000 miles. Over the next 20,000 miles or so the iron levels reduced at each change so that now after ~75,000 miles of ownership iron levels are normal at 15,000 mile oil changes and I'm pondering 20,000... During the time of high iron levels the car started fine and had normal power. I theorized the car was carboned up and had sludge from the previous owner using cheap oil... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:04:15 +0200 From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Yes indeed I rebuilt the engine myself 5 years ago. I was meticulous and used OEM parts throughout. Used dino oil for the first two changes 500, 5000 km then switched to Mobil 1 . It never ran low in oil. Running in was carefully done follwing recommended practice. Peter 2008/10/26 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one with high iron levels, did you do the rebuild yourself? Sounds like a bad job was done and the rings are breaking down... When I first got my 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels and would force an oil change at ~8000 miles. Over the next 20,000 miles or so the iron levels reduced at each change so that now after ~75,000 miles of ownership iron levels are normal at 15,000 mile oil changes and I'm pondering 20,000... During the time of high iron levels the car started fine and had normal power. I theorized the car was carboned up and had sludge from the previous owner using cheap oil... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:04:15 +0200 From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Interesting, the rebuild was 60,000 km ago? Thats not long at all, clearly something is wrong and unfortunately I'd have to guess that a teardown is the only way you're going to know... -Curt --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 1:06 PM Yes indeed I rebuilt the engine myself 5 years ago. I was meticulous and used OEM parts throughout. Used dino oil for the first two changes 500, 5000 km then switched to Mobil 1 . It never ran low in oil. Running in was carefully done follwing recommended practice. Peter 2008/10/26 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one with high iron levels, did you do the rebuild yourself? Sounds like a bad job was done and the rings are breaking down... When I first got my 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels and would force an oil change at ~8000 miles. Over the next 20,000 miles or so the iron levels reduced at each change so that now after ~75,000 miles of ownership iron levels are normal at 15,000 mile oil changes and I'm pondering 20,000... During the time of high iron levels the car started fine and had normal power. I theorized the car was carboned up and had sludge from the previous owner using cheap oil... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:04:15 +0200 From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem
Some of the standard tests might help - leakdown test, compression test,etc might offer a clue. If those tests show a low cylinder *then* a teardown is last resort - IMHO. Hard starting when cold (the colder the better) will be the best test of the cylinder head / combustion system than anything else. A engine rebuilt that recently should behave like a new engine fresh from the MB dealer. Low oil pressure indicates a main bearing problem - when the engine is fully warmed up - and the oil is warmed also - the oil pressure should jump to the peg and be at 3 bar/45# or so before you are at 3000rpm- that's according to the manual - and probably covers high mileage engines also. On a rebuilt engine I'd expect to see it idle just below 2 bar (a little less than 30) when warm and go to 3 bar (45) as soon as the accel pedal is pushed. Rod bearings are tough to diagnose on a diesel - because of the noise alwys present - But the above might be a start - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem Interesting, the rebuild was 60,000 km ago? Thats not long at all, clearly something is wrong and unfortunately I'd have to guess that a teardown is the only way you're going to know... -Curt --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 1:06 PM Yes indeed I rebuilt the engine myself 5 years ago. I was meticulous and used OEM parts throughout. Used dino oil for the first two changes 500, 5000 km then switched to Mobil 1 . It never ran low in oil. Running in was carefully done follwing recommended practice. Peter 2008/10/26 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one with high iron levels, did you do the rebuild yourself? Sounds like a bad job was done and the rings are breaking down... When I first got my 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels and would force an oil change at ~8000 miles. Over the next 20,000 miles or so the iron levels reduced at each change so that now after ~75,000 miles of ownership iron levels are normal at 15,000 mile oil changes and I'm pondering 20,000... During the time of high iron levels the car started fine and had normal power. I theorized the car was carboned up and had sludge from the previous owner using cheap oil... -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:04:15 +0200 From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Oil analysis problem To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sent oil samples from my 5 300D 's to the lab ( 3 x W123's , 1x 300GD ( OM617 ) and 1xW124 ) and got satisfatcory results from 3 off them . The one W123 ( the only one running Mobil 1 ) had high levels of Copper and Iron ( 29 and 71 ppm ) after 2000 km. Sodium, Siicon, Al , Cr , particulates, soot are all low . Lab suggested the oil pump is worn and I should test oil pressure . Well the oil pump had done only 6 km and oil pressures are good. The engine is loosing compression and oil consumption has increaseed since engine rebuild a few years ago so something is not right. Any ideas anyone? Am going to change oil to delo 400 and then see what the results are. Regarding the other car with poor results - I had just bought it - has been running on WVO for 3 km - well its oil had high levels of iron ( 93 ppm ) as well as particlates - diagonis by lab was that oil filter was being bypassed ie filter blocked. is this a problem with WVO ? Does the stuff get into the engine oil and block the filter? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
And you should know the difference. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 8:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits Because I am paranoid (but not schizophrenic). On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:53 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then why bother having the oil analyzed? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I add a quart so frequently (due to my commuting pattern and the age of my engine) that I might never again need to do an oil change, just a filter change. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
Strange, I'm schizophrenic but not paranoid. Though mind you, every once in a while I do get the strangest feeling that I'm being followed but when I turn real quick to look it's just me. Oh well whatchya gonna do. Manfred Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 22:55:10 -0500 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I am paranoid (but not schizophrenic). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] oil analysis kits
Who sells the oil analysis kits? Is that Larry? How does one order one (actually, two)? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
Ya, LarryT. The link in his sig: http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ Eventually leads you here: http://www.youroil.net/ Wonko the Sane wrote: Who sells the oil analysis kits? Is that Larry? How does one order one (actually, two)? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
D'oh. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya, LarryT. The link in his sig: http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ Eventually leads you here: http://www.youroil.net/ Wonko the Sane wrote: Who sells the oil analysis kits? Is that Larry? How does one order one (actually, two)? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
Buy either the three or four pack of suction bottle kits. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D'oh. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
Will the results tell me when to next do an oil change or does it give me a current snapshot and I have to repeat the process in another three months? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:27 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buy either the three or four pack of suction bottle kits. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D'oh. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
You get a current snapshot, but you can extrapolate when you should get the next one. Since all were in the OK range, I base my change intervals on the suspended soot. So far 10,000 miles is well within the 2% limit (MBs recommendation, per Marshal). Most of the other values will point to engine problems. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will the results tell me when to next do an oil change or does it give me a current snapshot and I have to repeat the process in another three months? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
I add a quart so frequently (due to my commuting pattern and the age of my engine) that I might never again need to do an oil change, just a filter change. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:40 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far 10,000 miles is well within the 2% limit (MBs recommendation, per Marshal). -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
Then why bother having the oil analyzed? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I add a quart so frequently (due to my commuting pattern and the age of my engine) that I might never again need to do an oil change, just a filter change. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis kits
Because I am paranoid (but not schizophrenic). On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:53 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then why bother having the oil analyzed? On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I add a quart so frequently (due to my commuting pattern and the age of my engine) that I might never again need to do an oil change, just a filter change. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis
Ordered, thank you much! Luther On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:00:15 -0600, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luther, Well, since you asked - I just added a $5 discount on a 3 or 4 pack from now until 12/31/06. It wll ask for the secret word which is diesel. I thought about getting cute and making the code word something like I love my Mercedes but decided against it ;-)\ Thanks for thinking of me -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
[MBZ] oil analysis
Larry, any Mercedes list specials currently? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis
Hi Luther, Well, since you asked - I just added a $5 discount on a 3 or 4 pack from now until 12/31/06. It wll ask for the secret word which is diesel. I thought about getting cute and making the code word something like I love my Mercedes but decided against it ;-)\ Thanks for thinking of me -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] oil analysis Larry, any Mercedes list specials currently? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/525 - Release Date: 11/9/2006
Re: [MBZ] oil analysis
SWEET! I sent in my last kit just the other day. Just a note to others, if you aren't into oil analysis yet you might not want to start, it can be a little addicting... -Curt Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:00:15 -0500 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] oil analysis To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi Luther, Well, since you asked - I just added a $5 discount on a 3 or 4 pack from now until 12/31/06. It wll ask for the secret word which is diesel. I thought about getting cute and making the code word something like I love my Mercedes but decided against it ;-)\ Thanks for thinking of me -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 09 21:02:07 2006 Received: from 24.svnf1.xdsl.nauticom.net ([209.195.153.153] helo=odie.pinebluff.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52) id 1GiH2F-0006ek-7u for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:02:07 + Received: from odie.pinebluff.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odie.pinebluff.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id kA9L13P5031293 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:01:03 -0500 Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by odie.pinebluff.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id kA9L12ed031291; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:01:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: odie.pinebluff.net: apache set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Received: from 208.22.104.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kslater); by www.pinebluff.dyndns.org with HTTP; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:01:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:01:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/2179/Wed Nov 8 21:17:29 2006 on odie.pinebluff.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Project to tickle your brains with.. X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:02:09 - Our 79 240D had a partial cluster replacement from our crushed 82 300D which included replacing the clock with the clock / tach from the 300D's cluster. I know that there are likely parts missing from the 240D engine compartment to drive said tach. How about using an embedded device (like a Basic Stamp or similar) and counting some pulse coming from the alternator and using that to drive the tach input? Would that work? Thoughts? Jim?
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
I'm going to try 20K. Will probably change it then, whether it needs it or not. I don't have a good idea of where the other readings fall relative to the soot - the lab gives you the numbers, and a pass/fail grade. I'll definitely change it before heading out for the ArticQ. On 12/13/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so how long do you figure you can go between changes now? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
[MBZ] Oil Analysis
Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil Analysis Company. I just got the results back from the second test on my '96 Dodge Dakota. I LOVE it when the results match what I expected. Fuel in the oil was up a bit which is probably because my wife drives the truck and just sticks around town. At the last sample we'd just come back from a trip with 900 highway miles which kept that number down. I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he consumes so much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will on the 190D once I start driving that regularly. Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped around before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have bellows samplers to draw the sample up the dipstick hole. -Curt - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 13 15:31:24 2005 Received: from [216.177.20.244] (helo=palin.finowen.net) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EmC7g-0006kH-Ld for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:31:24 + Received: from hoskinp4 (unknown [66.220.245.218]) by palin.finowen.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D220D1248A3 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:31:22 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hoskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Importance: Normal X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] QoD X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:31:24 - Clay said: The Queen of Denial has finally gone beyond my ability to deal with. Well, she is fine, she just should have Cleo taken from her love the stream of consciousness rant! Hope you two work things out :) Chris '81 300SD '88 GMC240D
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
Does he have a web site? Do they check soot? Sounds like a good deal. J.B. At 10:18 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote: Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil Analysis Company. I just got the results back from the second test on my '96 Dodge Dakota. I LOVE it when the results match what I expected. Fuel in the oil was up a bit which is probably because my wife drives the truck and just sticks around town. At the last sample we'd just come back from a trip with 900 highway miles which kept that number down. I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he consumes so much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will on the 190D once I start driving that regularly. Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped around before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have bellows samplers to draw the sample up the dipstick hole. -Curt - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005
Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
Here's Larry's email address. He and I were both mentioned in last year's
Scottsdale Barrett-Jackson Auction. Our 15 minutes of fame. And, to be
perfectly honest, I don't think they mentioned our names, just the
questions or comments we sent in. Let me graft some stuff from his sig line;
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
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Best regards, tell him Tom says hi,
Tom Reynolds
Sand Springs, OK
At 10:33 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
Does he have a web site? Do they check soot?
Sounds like a good deal.
J.B.
At 10:18 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:
Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil
Analysis Company. I just got the results back from the second test
on my '96 Dodge Dakota. I LOVE it when the results match what I
expected. Fuel in the oil was up a bit which is probably because my
wife drives the truck and just sticks around town. At the last
sample we'd just come back from a trip with 900 highway miles which
kept that number down.
I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he
consumes so much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will
on the 190D once I start driving that regularly.
Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped
around before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have
bellows samplers to draw the sample up the dipstick hole.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
Hi Tom -
I have mine on tape - but I think it was the year before - they said, Ta,
Daa, Larry Turner of Chester Va asks ...
I had been taping it anyhow - my name being mentioned was icing on the cake.
;-)
Now I need to go back and find out who's interested in Oil Analysis -- I'm
a couple days behind in reading posts -
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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- Original Message -
From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
Here's Larry's email address. He and I were both mentioned in last year's
Scottsdale Barrett-Jackson Auction. Our 15 minutes of fame. And, to be
perfectly honest, I don't think they mentioned our names, just the
questions or comments we sent in. Let me graft some stuff from his sig
line;
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info
Best regards, tell him Tom says hi,
Tom Reynolds
Sand Springs, OK
At 10:33 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
Does he have a web site? Do they check soot?
Sounds like a good deal.
J.B.
At 10:18 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:
Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil
Analysis Company. I just got the results back from the second test
on my '96 Dodge Dakota. I LOVE it when the results match what I
expected. Fuel in the oil was up a bit which is probably because my
wife drives the truck and just sticks around town. At the last
sample we'd just come back from a trip with 900 highway miles which
kept that number down.
I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he
consumes so much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will
on the 190D once I start driving that regularly.
Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped
around before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have
bellows samplers to draw the sample up the dipstick hole.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
Hi Curt - Very happy to hear you're pleased! ;-) Thanks for the
advertising!
BTW, the bellows bottles we sell are an exclusive of ours - they're really
helpful when you need to have the oil analyzed but don't need to change the
oil.
Check out the info in my sig lines for websites about my oil analysis stuff.
But, I *do* need to catchup posting the oil test results - have gotten
behind - (sorry)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
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From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Diesel List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil Analysis
Company. I just got the results back from the second test on my '96 Dodge
Dakota. I LOVE it when the results match what I expected. Fuel in the oil
was up a bit which is probably because my wife drives the truck and just
sticks around town. At the last sample we'd just come back from a trip
with 900 highway miles which kept that number down.
I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he consumes so
much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will on the 190D once I
start driving that regularly.
Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped
around before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have bellows
samplers to draw the sample up the dipstick hole.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
Hi JB,
I see Tom has already provided my contact info (thanks Tom!) - please let
me know if you have any questions or comments about the info or services
offered on my website -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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From: J.B. Hebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
Does he have a web site? Do they check soot?
Sounds like a good deal.
J.B.
At 10:18 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:
Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil
Analysis Company. I just got the results back from the second test
on my '96 Dodge Dakota. I LOVE it when the results match what I
expected. Fuel in the oil was up a bit which is probably because my
wife drives the truck and just sticks around town. At the last
sample we'd just come back from a trip with 900 highway miles which
kept that number down.
I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he
consumes so much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will
on the 190D once I start driving that regularly.
Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped
around before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have
bellows samplers to draw the sample up the dipstick hole.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis
They do have a website: youroil.net I don't know if they do soot since I haven't been testing a diesel engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:33:30 -0500 From: J.B. Hebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-316F7341 Does he have a web site? Do they check soot? Sounds like a good deal. J.B. - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 13 21:17:26 2005 Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.63]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EmHWY-0003UH-Lj for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:17:26 + Received: from elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.37]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EmHSj-00035U-00; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:13:29 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:17:26 -
Re: [MBZ] Oil analysis (was: Oh joy! Another oil thread!)
The bottle they provide for the sample is very small... about 2 ounces. I test at oil change time but you don't need to, you can suck a sample out of the crankcase at any time to send in for analysis. =) -dm -- Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:46:05 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh joy! Another oil thread! How large a sample of used oil do they require to perform the analysis?
