Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes that’s a concern. If he wants to sell the rental properties I don’t care. 
We already made a good profit on appreciation alone. If he wants to sell the 
car I don’t really care either as I wouldn’t have any serious attachment to it. 
It’s not a Mercedes after all!  I view the 911 as an investment that can be 
enjoyed. They just keep appreciating.

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> On Mar 18, 2022, at 10:21 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.
> 
> 
> You need to spend most of your time on deciding what
> the exit strategy (-ies) is (are).  Do you buy each other
> out?  What if one of you loses interest or dies?  What if
> the car appreciates and A wants to cash out, but B doesn't
> want to and is remembering A's original investment, and is
> not fond of 1/2 FMV.  Etc.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Not worried about rust. He lives in California and I would only drive during 
non winter months.  But high maintenance costs are a concern. Hmm.

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> On Mar 18, 2022, at 10:21 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dimitri.
> I have had 2 porsches. A 912 and a 911 both 1968. 912 new and 911 1 year
> old. First wife wrecked the 912.
> I drove like an absolute idiot and the cars forgave my errors whilst giving
> me a glimpse of what a rush it was to drive.
> That said, I have worked on many-a Porsche and they rust and have high
> maintenance costs.
> In the shop where I worked, the joke was to turn off the compressor, turn
> out the lights and listen to them rust.
> YMMV
> Fred.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 9:54 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> A friend of mine wants to go halfsies on one.
>> 
>> With who, you?
>> 
>> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.


You need to spend most of your time on deciding what
the exit strategy (-ies) is (are).  Do you buy each other
out?  What if one of you loses interest or dies?  What if
the car appreciates and A wants to cash out, but B doesn't
want to and is remembering A's original investment, and is
not fond of 1/2 FMV.  Etc.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Dimitri.
I have had 2 porsches. A 912 and a 911 both 1968. 912 new and 911 1 year
old. First wife wrecked the 912.
I drove like an absolute idiot and the cars forgave my errors whilst giving
me a glimpse of what a rush it was to drive.
That said, I have worked on many-a Porsche and they rust and have high
maintenance costs.
In the shop where I worked, the joke was to turn off the compressor, turn
out the lights and listen to them rust.
YMMV
Fred.

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>
> With who, you?
>
> The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I already own a couple of rental properties with him. No issues so far so not 
really worried about that. It’s good to share responsibility if problems arise. 

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>> 
>> A friend of mine wants to go halfsies on one.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> A friend of mine wants to go halfsies on one.

With who, you?

The only ship that won't sail is a partnership.


Rick
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[MBZ] Porsche?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

What you you all think of a vintage 911? A friend of mine wants to go halfsies 
on one. He seems to like the 911SC as the engine is supposedly bulletproof. I 
think the earlier 911T, E or S are better looking but they are prohibitively 
expensive.

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[MBZ] Porsche Survivor sells for stupid $$ on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Unbelievable.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1952-porsche-356-2/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-04-29
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche effort to save combustion engines

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I guess it's a sign of the times that so many people know so little 
about how diesels operate and what Glow Plugs do?


IMO, diesel technology is superior to gasoline tech and last time I 
checked, diesels were getting 20-30% better MPGs than gas.  But it's 
been a whole since I checked -


On 12/14/2018 3:50 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Replacing glow plugs with a microwave critter will only effect
starting.


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche effort to save combustion engines

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> On December 14, 2018 at 4:58 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The efficiency of a heat engine is related to the difference between its
> high (source) temperature and its low (sink) temperature. You want to
> increase combustion temperature for increased efficiency. That's why
> there has been talk of use of ceramics in engine design.

And why a Wankel made of Aluminum and Iron can never approach the efficiency of 
a piston engine made with the same materials, the Wankel has too much internal 
surface area exposed to combustion gases, and therefore too much heat loss. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche effort to save combustion engines

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

IIRC higher temps result in more nitrous oxides.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche effort to save combustion engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 14:50:25 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Burning at lower temperature will not improve efficiency, and I
> doubt it will improve emissions.

The efficiency of a heat engine is related to the difference between its
high (source) temperature and its low (sink) temperature. You want to
increase combustion temperature for increased efficiency. That's why
there has been talk of use of ceramics in engine design.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche effort to save combustion engines

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

could this be a scam looking for investors to fill their bank with cash 
so they can then disappear?  Seems risky when getting involved with the 
securities organizations around the world.  But once they get the cash 
they might find their technology isn't as advanced as they say?


To me it doesn't seem very complex to be a scam.  I would hope anyone 
investing would see that low temp=low combustion=higher emissions - 
afterall, isn't that the whole reason we've been seeing cat. converters 
on gas powered cars - raise the temp to lower emissions?  But then, 
sometimes someone finds a new way to do things and people say, "Gee, why 
didn't I think of that"?


I wonder why MWI didn't want to make a statement?  I would think if they 
are soliciting investors they would have Press Releases ready to go...


LarryT

On 12/14/2018 3:50 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew wrote:
Using pulsed microwaves to ignite fuel rather than spark plugs
or glow plugs, the engineers behind MWI Micro Wave Ignition AG
say they can cut consumption of gasoline and diesel by as much
as 30 percent, and emissions by as much as 80 percent, because
the fuel burns at a lower temperature.

FAIL

There's lots wrong when an engineering company allows such sloppy
press releases.


Replacing glow plugs with a microwave critter will only effect
starting.

Burning at lower temperature will not improve efficiency, and I
doubt it will improve emissions.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche effort to save combustion engines

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> Andrew wrote:

> Using pulsed microwaves to ignite fuel rather than spark plugs
> or glow plugs, the engineers behind MWI Micro Wave Ignition AG
> say they can cut consumption of gasoline and diesel by as much
> as 30 percent, and emissions by as much as 80 percent, because
> the fuel burns at a lower temperature.

FAIL

There's lots wrong when an engineering company allows such sloppy
press releases.


Replacing glow plugs with a microwave critter will only effect
starting.

Burning at lower temperature will not improve efficiency, and I
doubt it will improve emissions.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche effort to save combustion engines

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm trying to figure out this approach.  Are they claiming that they get
complete combustion at a lower temperature?  How would that be beneficial?
If less of the fuel's energy is lost as heat, that could increase the
efficiency?  Lower combustion = lower NO emissions?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 1:14 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Interesting - need to watch this . . .
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 10:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > EMISSIONSEx-Porsche CEO aims to save combustion engine from
> > scrapheapPublished:
> > Friday, December 14, 2018
> >
> > As tightening emission rules force the car industry to embrace battery
> > power, a German startup says it has the technology to give the combustion
> > engine a reprieve.
> >
> > Using pulsed microwaves to ignite fuel rather than spark plugs or glow
> > plugs, the engineers behind MWI Micro Wave Ignition AG say they can cut
> > consumption of gasoline and diesel by as much as 30 percent, and
> emissions
> > by as much as 80 percent, because the fuel burns at a lower temperature.
> >
> > The company based in the small Black Forest town of Empfingen has won
> some
> > powerful backers. Among its shareholders is Wendelin Wiedeking, the
> former
> > chief executive officer of Porsche AG credited with reviving the iconic
> > German sports-car maker.
> >
> > MWI has mandated Macquarie Capital to look for a buyer and international
> > partner that can help to promote the new system and increase MWI's
> > financial firepower, according to people familiar with the matter. The
> > company has begun talks with large automakers from South Korea and China,
> > one of the people said.
> >
> > MWI declined to comment.
> >
> > Wiedeking and a group of other private investors own about 20 percent of
> > MWI, which is controlled by its founders, Armin and Volker Gallatz.
> >
> > "I am convinced that MWI is a disruptive innovation with a huge market
> > potential," Wiedeking was cited as saying in a document shared by MWI.
> >
> > More efficient engine technology could keep traditional cars on the road
> > for longer, shoring up industry profits as automakers spend heavily to
> ramp
> > up production of electric vehicles in coming years. Several manufacturers
> > are still investing in better combustion engines.
> >
> > MWI's pitch is that it can be integrated into existing engine
> architecture
> > rather than requiring an all-new approach.
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Interesting - need to watch this . . .

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 10:15 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> EMISSIONSEx-Porsche CEO aims to save combustion engine from
> scrapheapPublished:
> Friday, December 14, 2018
>
> As tightening emission rules force the car industry to embrace battery
> power, a German startup says it has the technology to give the combustion
> engine a reprieve.
>
> Using pulsed microwaves to ignite fuel rather than spark plugs or glow
> plugs, the engineers behind MWI Micro Wave Ignition AG say they can cut
> consumption of gasoline and diesel by as much as 30 percent, and emissions
> by as much as 80 percent, because the fuel burns at a lower temperature.
>
> The company based in the small Black Forest town of Empfingen has won some
> powerful backers. Among its shareholders is Wendelin Wiedeking, the former
> chief executive officer of Porsche AG credited with reviving the iconic
> German sports-car maker.
>
> MWI has mandated Macquarie Capital to look for a buyer and international
> partner that can help to promote the new system and increase MWI's
> financial firepower, according to people familiar with the matter. The
> company has begun talks with large automakers from South Korea and China,
> one of the people said.
>
> MWI declined to comment.
>
> Wiedeking and a group of other private investors own about 20 percent of
> MWI, which is controlled by its founders, Armin and Volker Gallatz.
>
> "I am convinced that MWI is a disruptive innovation with a huge market
> potential," Wiedeking was cited as saying in a document shared by MWI.
>
> More efficient engine technology could keep traditional cars on the road
> for longer, shoring up industry profits as automakers spend heavily to ramp
> up production of electric vehicles in coming years. Several manufacturers
> are still investing in better combustion engines.
>
> MWI's pitch is that it can be integrated into existing engine architecture
> rather than requiring an all-new approach.
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[MBZ] Porsche effort to save combustion engines

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

EMISSIONSEx-Porsche CEO aims to save combustion engine from scrapheapPublished:
Friday, December 14, 2018

As tightening emission rules force the car industry to embrace battery
power, a German startup says it has the technology to give the combustion
engine a reprieve.

Using pulsed microwaves to ignite fuel rather than spark plugs or glow
plugs, the engineers behind MWI Micro Wave Ignition AG say they can cut
consumption of gasoline and diesel by as much as 30 percent, and emissions
by as much as 80 percent, because the fuel burns at a lower temperature.

The company based in the small Black Forest town of Empfingen has won some
powerful backers. Among its shareholders is Wendelin Wiedeking, the former
chief executive officer of Porsche AG credited with reviving the iconic
German sports-car maker.

MWI has mandated Macquarie Capital to look for a buyer and international
partner that can help to promote the new system and increase MWI's
financial firepower, according to people familiar with the matter. The
company has begun talks with large automakers from South Korea and China,
one of the people said.

MWI declined to comment.

Wiedeking and a group of other private investors own about 20 percent of
MWI, which is controlled by its founders, Armin and Volker Gallatz.

"I am convinced that MWI is a disruptive innovation with a huge market
potential," Wiedeking was cited as saying in a document shared by MWI.

More efficient engine technology could keep traditional cars on the road
for longer, shoring up industry profits as automakers spend heavily to ramp
up production of electric vehicles in coming years. Several manufacturers
are still investing in better combustion engines.

MWI's pitch is that it can be integrated into existing engine architecture
rather than requiring an all-new approach.
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On July 21, 2017 at 9:57 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> >  wrote: Stuttgart and perhaps London were
> > banning diesels from downtown areas already.
> 
> When you mention city diesel bans, I think of Paris, I think they're the
> first:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/11280067/London-will-follow-Paris-and-ban-diesel-cars-campaigners-warn.html
> 
> When you ban diesels in your city, is it just passenger cars, with
> passenger buses and commercial vehicles still allowed?

Good question. I would say, "All diesels or no diesels," and let the city
fathers deal with the fallout.

I heard a news report last night that Audi was changing their cars' ECMs
to make them cleaner and that they wanted to have diesels more accepted.
Mercedes had also recalled some vehicles to reprogram their ECMs.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A CNG bus is still a diesel engine, only the upstream piping is modified to 
handle the different fuel...
Actually now that I think of it a hybrid bus is still a diesel bus...
-Curt

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The newer buses are hybrid, electric, or CNG.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On July 21, 2017 at 9:57 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > Stuttgart and perhaps London were banning diesels from downtown areas
> > already.
>
> When you mention city diesel bans, I think of Paris, I think they're the
> first:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/
> 11280067/London-will-follow-Paris-and-ban-diesel-cars-
> campaigners-warn.html
>
> When you ban diesels in your city, is it just passenger cars, with
> passenger buses and commercial vehicles still allowed?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

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The newer buses are hybrid, electric, or CNG.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On July 21, 2017 at 9:57 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > Stuttgart and perhaps London were banning diesels from downtown areas
> > already.
>
> When you mention city diesel bans, I think of Paris, I think they're the
> first:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/
> 11280067/London-will-follow-Paris-and-ban-diesel-cars-
> campaigners-warn.html
>
> When you ban diesels in your city, is it just passenger cars, with
> passenger buses and commercial vehicles still allowed?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 21, 2017 at 9:57 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> Stuttgart and perhaps London were banning diesels from downtown areas
> already.

When you mention city diesel bans, I think of Paris, I think they're the first:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/11280067/London-will-follow-Paris-and-ban-diesel-cars-campaigners-warn.html

When you ban diesels in your city, is it just passenger cars, with passenger 
buses and commercial vehicles still allowed?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Given porsche is owned by vw, and vw is stopping diesel production
including that motor, which is the same one used in the cayenne, q7, q5,
a7, a8 and touareg, this isnt really news. The cayenne and touareg are both
built on the same line in slovakia, and share drivelines with the q7.

Full electric is definitely the way to go. I drove a hybrid touareg and it
was not very impressive. Getting rid of the ice sheds a lot of complexity
and maintenance.

Stuttgart and perhaps London were banning diesels from downtown areas
already.



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> My posh friend (defined as anyone whose oldest car is a 2004 Audi) LOVES
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> > > I wasn't aware that Porsche even sold diesels.
> >
> > I wasn't either.
> > I was thinking V10, but surprisingly it's the 3.0L V6:
> > http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-porsche-cayenne-
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

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My posh friend (defined as anyone whose oldest car is a 2004 Audi) LOVES
the Cayenne.

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> > On July 20, 2017 at 10:45 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > I wasn't aware that Porsche even sold diesels.
>
> I wasn't either.
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> http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-porsche-cayenne-
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

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> On July 20, 2017 at 10:45 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wasn't aware that Porsche even sold diesels.

I wasn't either. 
I was thinking V10, but surprisingly it's the 3.0L V6:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-porsche-cayenne-diesel-test-review

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Did I not read somewhere in the fairly recent past that some cities in 
Euope were gong to going to ban diesel cars due to the smog issues?

That may be one reason for moving away from production of them.

On 20/07/2017 11:05 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew writes:


‎I wasn't aware...

‎http://www.porsche.com/measure/models/cayenne/cayenne-diesel/

They are being targeted, as‎ were all diesel vehicle purveyors, after the VW 
episode. I try to look at who benefits from such things when they occur, to 
determine the impetus for a push to eliminate diesel passenger vehicles.

Ideally, a diesel electric hybrid would provide the most economical solution 
for most transportation needs in this country.
I can even figure that out, and I consider myself an uneducated rube.

Why has it not been done?
Who benefits from the demise of diesel passenger vehicles?


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Rick wrote:

> ...I try to look at who benefits from such things when they
> occur...

> Who benefits from the demise of diesel passenger vehicles? 

I don't know.

EPA?   Naw - they just are someone else's hammer.

DOT?  less road tax?  That doesn't hold up well either.



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Re: [MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Andrew writes:

>‎I wasn't aware...

‎http://www.porsche.com/measure/models/cayenne/cayenne-diesel/

They are being targeted, as‎ were all diesel vehicle purveyors, after the VW 
episode. I try to look at who benefits from such things when they occur, to 
determine the impetus for a push to eliminate diesel passenger vehicles. 

Ideally, a diesel electric hybrid would provide the most economical solution 
for most transportation needs in this country. 
I can even figure that out, and I consider myself an uneducated rube. 

Why has it not been done?
Who benefits from the demise of diesel passenger vehicles? 


Rick
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[MBZ] Porsche phasing out diesels - 600hp EV on the drawing board

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wasn't aware that Porsche even sold diesels.

ELECTRIC VEHICLESPorsche might dump diesel enginesPublished: Thursday, July
20, 2017

Porsche is considering scrapping diesel engines entirely as it moves into
electric vehicles.

The company is spending $1.16 billion to overhaul its Stuttgart, Germany,
plant to introduce in 2019 the Mission E — a four-door, battery-powered
sedan that could compete with Tesla Inc.'s cars.

The move comes as the luxury automaker's parent company, Volkswagen AG,
plans to introduce 30 electric or hybrid vehicles by 2025 while continuing
to grapple with its emissions cheating scandal. Regulators are probing
Porsche's Cayenne SUV in search of the same engine-cheating software.

The Mission E is expected to have a 310-mile range on a single charge while
packing 600 horsepower and accelerating to 62 mph in less than 3.5 seconds.
Tesla's Model S P100D boasts a range of 315 miles.

Porsche says its 800-volt charging system will allow the car to recharge to
80 percent within 15 minutes. And its lithium-ion battery would span the
length of the car to evenly distribute its weight July 18. *— AAA*
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[MBZ] Porsche 918 RSR Intro/certainly OT

[RELNGSON]

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/detroit/international.aspx


RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche GT3 Cup at Pike's Peak

[Hendrik Fay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7iUKaPlBl8
Bloody Porch drivers.

Hendrik
who is flat out

Hendrik  Fay wrote:
There is an old saying along the line of any fool can race a car up a 
mountain, it takes skill to race it down. This rich kid ain't got it.


Hendrik
who doesn't have enough money to play like this

relng...@aol.com wrote:

http://forums.190slgroup.com/showthread.php?7841

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche GT3 Cup at Pike's Peak

[Hendrik Fay]

One for my good luck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6q04Tjaiccfeature=related

Hendrik
who needs to take the TE out to the ring

Hendrik  Fay wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7iUKaPlBl8
Bloody Porch drivers.

Hendrik
who is flat out

Hendrik  Fay wrote:
There is an old saying along the line of any fool can race a car up 
a mountain, it takes skill to race it down. This rich kid ain't got it.


Hendrik
who doesn't have enough money to play like this

relng...@aol.com wrote:

http://forums.190slgroup.com/showthread.php?7841

RLE







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Re: [MBZ] Porsche GT3 Cup at Pike's Peak

[Hendrik Fay]

I must have been overcome with the noise of the 103 motor but that 
should have read One more for good luck, perhaps my fingers are being 
subliminalagain.
Although if I get a chance to flog a half decent car around the ring, I 
would be a pretty lucky fellow.


Hendrik
whose fingers type faster than his brain thinks

Hendrik  Fay wrote:

One for my good luck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6q04Tjaiccfeature=related

Hendrik
who needs to take the TE out to the ring




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Re: [MBZ] Porsche GT3 Cup at Pike's Peak

[E M]

For a big boat with a low powered 3 litre engine, I think that's some pretty
good driving and a very respectable time.

Ed
300E

On 14 August 2010 05:49, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

 One for my good luck
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6q04Tjaiccfeature=related

 Hendrik
 who needs to take the TE out to the ring


 Hendrik  Fay wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7iUKaPlBl8
 Bloody Porch drivers.

 Hendrik
 who is flat out

 Hendrik  Fay wrote:

 There is an old saying along the line of any fool can race a car up a
 mountain, it takes skill to race it down. This rich kid ain't got it.

 Hendrik
 who doesn't have enough money to play like this

 relng...@aol.com wrote:

 http://forums.190slgroup.com/showthread.php?7841

 RLE





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Re: [MBZ] Porsche GT3 Cup at Pike's Peak

[Hendrik Fay]

There is an old saying along the line of any fool can race a car up a 
mountain, it takes skill to race it down. This rich kid ain't got it.


Hendrik
who doesn't have enough money to play like this

relng...@aol.com wrote:

http://forums.190slgroup.com/showthread.php?7841

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[MBZ] Porsche GT3 Cup at Pike's Peak

[RELNGSON]

http://forums.190slgroup.com/showthread.php?7841

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche - $975

[LarryT]

Didn't they have some kind of trouble with the balance shaft?   RR'ing the 
T belt every 30K is pretty often for a daily driver


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On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


Would a 350/700R4 fit in this thing?

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1775932517.html



IIRC that big four is a tight squeeze in the 924/944 already.

Maybe that GM V-6 meant for longitudinal applications that's basically 3/4
of a 350 would fit?

Keep in mind the transmission is actually a transaxle at the back and the
driveshaft runs at engine speed.  Maybe the best thing would be to source 
a

good Porsche manny and mate it to whatever engine you want.**

Motor locked up most likely means the PO was a dope who ran the car into
the ground.  Those are interference engines with a timing belt change
interval of 30K (!).  Who knows what else is broken.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche - $975

[E M]

The 944 was a pretty reliable engine if serviced according to the book.
150,000-200,000 miles between overhauls not a big deal.  Belts do need to be
kept on top of, but that's true of any interference engine.  I watched a
couple of friends do the belts, and it's not a really big job.  Best to
invest in, or rent a proper belt tension gauge though, not rely on the old
quarter twist method. hee hee.  I've not heard of any real problems with the
balance shaft.

Not a car I would mess around trying to do an engine conversion on.  The
inline 4 is a good engine, and lots of used ones about, so why mess about
trying to fit apples with oranges.

Of far greater concern on an old 944, are the lower ball joints.  The
factory cast them in, so you will have to find someone to either drill them
out, repla$e everything, or go with one of the companies that did the lower
racing arm$ for their track cars, most of which I'm aware of had replaceable
ball joints.  Always remember, there are no cheap porsches. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 6 June 2010 14:47, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Didn't they have some kind of trouble with the balance shaft?   RR'ing the
 T belt every 30K is pretty often for a daily driver

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  On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  Would a 350/700R4 fit in this thing?

 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1775932517.html


  IIRC that big four is a tight squeeze in the 924/944 already.

 Maybe that GM V-6 meant for longitudinal applications that's basically 3/4
 of a 350 would fit?

 Keep in mind the transmission is actually a transaxle at the back and the
 driveshaft runs at engine speed.  Maybe the best thing would be to source
 a
 good Porsche manny and mate it to whatever engine you want.**

 Motor locked up most likely means the PO was a dope who ran the car into
 the ground.  Those are interference engines with a timing belt change
 interval of 30K (!).  Who knows what else is broken.

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche - $975

[Rich Thomas]

I'm think some blown Jap engine and Mustang II front suspension, fat 
tires, coffee can exhaust...


--R

On 6/6/2010 4:47 PM, E M wrote:

The 944 was a pretty reliable engine if serviced according to the book.
150,000-200,000 miles between overhauls not a big deal.  Belts do need to be
kept on top of, but that's true of any interference engine.  I watched a
couple of friends do the belts, and it's not a really big job.  Best to
invest in, or rent a proper belt tension gauge though, not rely on the old
quarter twist method. hee hee.  I've not heard of any real problems with the
balance shaft.

Not a car I would mess around trying to do an engine conversion on.  The
inline 4 is a good engine, and lots of used ones about, so why mess about
trying to fit apples with oranges.

Of far greater concern on an old 944, are the lower ball joints.  The
factory cast them in, so you will have to find someone to either drill them
out, repla$e everything, or go with one of the companies that did the lower
racing arm$ for their track cars, most of which I'm aware of had replaceable
ball joints.  Always remember, there are no cheap porsches. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 6 June 2010 14:47, LarryTl02tur...@comcast.net  wrote:

   

Didn't they have some kind of trouble with the balance shaft?   RR'ing the
T belt every 30K is pretty often for a daily driver

LarryT

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To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche - $975

  On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Rich Thomas
 

richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

  Would a 350/700R4 fit in this thing?
   

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1775932517.html


  IIRC that big four is a tight squeeze in the 924/944 already.
 

Maybe that GM V-6 meant for longitudinal applications that's basically 3/4
of a 350 would fit?

Keep in mind the transmission is actually a transaxle at the back and the
driveshaft runs at engine speed.  Maybe the best thing would be to source
a
good Porsche manny and mate it to whatever engine you want.**

Motor locked up most likely means the PO was a dope who ran the car into
the ground.  Those are interference engines with a timing belt change
interval of 30K (!).  Who knows what else is broken.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche - $975

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I'm think some blown Jap engine and Mustang II front suspension, fat tires, 
 coffee can exhaust...


Most small Japanese engines are set up for transverse front-drive,
though.  How about the flat-six from a Gold Wing?  (Now that I think
of it, somebody needs to put one of those in the back of a Porsche 356
kit car...)

Alex

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[MBZ] Porsche - $975

[Rich Thomas]

Would a 350/700R4 fit in this thing?

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1775932517.html

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche - $975

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Would a 350/700R4 fit in this thing?

 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1775932517.html


IIRC that big four is a tight squeeze in the 924/944 already.

Maybe that GM V-6 meant for longitudinal applications that's basically 3/4
of a 350 would fit?

Keep in mind the transmission is actually a transaxle at the back and the
driveshaft runs at engine speed.  Maybe the best thing would be to source a
good Porsche manny and mate it to whatever engine you want.**

Motor locked up most likely means the PO was a dope who ran the car into
the ground.  Those are interference engines with a timing belt change
interval of 30K (!).  Who knows what else is broken.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche refurbishments

[Hendrik Fay]

Apparently a lot of Porsche parts are interchangable with VW parts, same 
part but different number and shipping box.

Wasn't the 944 supposed to be an Audi?

Hendrik
who has never owned a Porsche and doesn't want to

relng...@aol.com wrote:
I wonder which is less expensive, and easier to find parts for now - 
a 911

or an XKE?  Those two, plus the pagoda roofed 280SL made my list --..


A 911, hands down. You can get any part from dozens of suppliers around the 
country because of the huge enthusiast base. Find a copy of a recent 
Porsche Panorama and look at all the ads inside. My Porsche is 26 1/2 years old 
and I could order nearly any part for it tomorrow.


Further, a Porsche can be driven every day, all year, taken to the track 
and run hard and it never notices. They are rugged machines when maintained 
correctly and seldom break provided their performance envelope is observed.


You could never use an XKE or 113 SL in the same way without plenty of 
repairs because they have no significant racing background.


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche refurbishments

[E M]

I think the early 924 had an audi based engine in it, but the 944 were
probably more 928 than audi.  There was a 924 turbo too, but not sure what
it was based on. I think it was the original audi engine, no intercooler or
anything.  It was pretty early stuff.  I remember people saying Porsche was
so confident in their turbo technology with that car, they didn't even
bother to put a boost gauge in it.  I've taken a couple of 944 engines
apart, and a lot of the internal bits even share 928 parts code numbers.
It's more or less half a 928 engine.  Porsche didn't skimp on the oily bits
with the 944 from what I can see.

Ed
300E

On 20 March 2010 22:10, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

 Apparently a lot of Porsche parts are interchangable with VW parts, same
 part but different number and shipping box.
 Wasn't the 944 supposed to be an Audi?

 Hendrik
 who has never owned a Porsche and doesn't want to

 relng...@aol.com wrote:

 I wonder which is less expensive, and easier to find parts for now - a
 911
 or an XKE?  Those two, plus the pagoda roofed 280SL made my list --..



 A 911, hands down. You can get any part from dozens of suppliers around
 the country because of the huge enthusiast base. Find a copy of a recent
 Porsche Panorama and look at all the ads inside. My Porsche is 26 1/2 years
 old and I could order nearly any part for it tomorrow.

 Further, a Porsche can be driven every day, all year, taken to the track
 and run hard and it never notices. They are rugged machines when maintained
 correctly and seldom break provided their performance envelope is observed.

 You could never use an XKE or 113 SL in the same way without plenty of
 repairs because they have no significant racing background.

 RLE










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Re: [MBZ] Porsche refurbishments

[OK Don]

A friend had 944 for awhile - it needed a new turn signal stalk/switch,
which was a VW part -- which is where he got the replacement. I don't see VW
contributing to the drive train in any way though, and no VW I drove ever
handled like the Porsche.

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:49 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the early 924 had an audi based engine in it, but the 944 were
 probably more 928 than audi.  There was a 924 turbo too, but not sure what
 it was based on. I think it was the original audi engine, no intercooler or
 anything.  It was pretty early stuff.  I remember people saying Porsche was
 so confident in their turbo technology with that car, they didn't even
 bother to put a boost gauge in it.  I've taken a couple of 944 engines
 apart, and a lot of the internal bits even share 928 parts code numbers.
 It's more or less half a 928 engine.  Porsche didn't skimp on the oily bits
 with the 944 from what I can see.

 Ed
 300E

 On 20 March 2010 22:10, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

  Apparently a lot of Porsche parts are interchangable with VW parts, same
  part but different number and shipping box.
  Wasn't the 944 supposed to be an Audi?
 




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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[RELNGSON]

 ...On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:13 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
  Those are correct comments - the 911SC of 83-87 are widely considered to
  have bulletproof engines with some going 300K mi with never being opened 
 up...
 
The 911SC was produced from 1978 to 1983, all CIS cars, now a disadvantage. 
The 1984 911, reviving the Carrera name, used Bosch Motronic which was a 
big improvement over CIS.

Used Targas always bring less money than Coupes because of the usual open 
car problems plus wind and water leaks. But, very early Targas have shot up 
in value for some reason. My friend RH has a '67 911S soft window Targa, 
white with red leather with less than 100K miles, that would likely bring more 
than twenty grand. It's all original, nice but not a show car.

I just heard last week that a full rebuild on an aircooled Porsche six is 
now sneaking up on 15 grand.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche

[E M]

Good reason to keep those chain tensioners in good working order!
Ed
300E

On 19 March 2010 16:48, relng...@aol.com wrote:

 I just heard last week that a full rebuild on an aircooled Porsche six is
 now sneaking up on 15 grand.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche refurbishments

[RELNGSON]

 I wonder which is less expensive, and easier to find parts for now - 
 a 911
 or an XKE?  Those two, plus the pagoda roofed 280SL made my list --..
 
A 911, hands down. You can get any part from dozens of suppliers around the 
country because of the huge enthusiast base. Find a copy of a recent 
Porsche Panorama and look at all the ads inside. My Porsche is 26 1/2 years old 
and I could order nearly any part for it tomorrow.

Further, a Porsche can be driven every day, all year, taken to the track 
and run hard and it never notices. They are rugged machines when maintained 
correctly and seldom break provided their performance envelope is observed.

You could never use an XKE or 113 SL in the same way without plenty of 
repairs because they have no significant racing background.

RLE
 
 
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[MBZ] Porsche diesel

[RELNGSON]

 http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-neil1-2009sep01,0,4467832.column

The company that stands to benefit most from the Germans' diesel push is
one least associated with diesel: the sports-car maker Porsche. The
diesel Cayenne SUV accounts for 60% of the company's sales. And even
though the car is 28% more fuel-efficient than the comparable gas model,
in the U.S., there is not currently a business case for this car, says
Porsche product engineer Michael Leitners. We wish there were.
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[MBZ] Porsche Farce Hits Inspector Clouseau of Finance: Matthew Lynn - Bloomberg.com

[archer]

Since things are slow, here is something about the country that makes our 
favorite automobile.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039sid=a_fV6HgDdvmI 



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[MBZ] Porsche Classic at the 2009 Oldtimer Grand Prix

[RELNGSON]

Press-Information 15/07/2009

 
Porsche Classic at the 2009 Oldtimer Grand Prix

Nostalgia at Nürburgring

Stuttgart. Porsche’s Customer Center Classic is following in the footsteps 
of Porsche’s motorsport history at the 37th AvD Oldtimer Grand Prix on 
Nürburgring, the most popular event in Germany for classic and vintage cars. 
Responsible for all Porsche classics, this Special Division of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. 
Porsche AG, Stuttgart, is putting on a great show from 7 – 9 August in a 
special 12,000-square metre area directly next to the race track.

Apart from offering all kinds of services for the repair, maintenance, 
care, restoration and parts supply of classic Porsche sports cars, Porsche 
Classic will once again cooperate with selected suppliers in presenting the 
wide 
range of parts supplied by Porsche as well as the joint experience gained by 
several service providers in this area for many years.

In the Porsche Classic Tent both experts from Zuffenhausen and specialists 
from classic car and parts suppliers will be helping interested customers 
with competent advice on all questions of restoration and the supply of parts.

One of the oldest and probably best-known Porsche suppliers is Otto Fuchs 
KG from the German town of Meinerzhagen. This is the company which in the 
early 1960s developed the Porsche wing wheel designed by Heinrich Klie for the 
Porsche 911 on behalf of Porsche itself, soon to become known as the famous 
Fuchs wheel. These extra-light five-star forged wheels came as either 
standard equipment or as an option on a number of Porsche models throughout the 
long period of 20 years, making their first appearance in 1966 on the Porsche 
911 S.

This year Porsche has no less than three reasons to celebrate: First, 
Professor Dr. Ing. h.c. Ferdinand Anton Ernst “Ferry” Porsche would have 
celebrated his 100th birthday on 19 September 2009 – and Ferry Porsche was 
always a 
master in promoting not only the highly successful concept of the 911 model 
series, but also the innovative ideas of his engineers. Second, the 
VW-Porsche 914 also saw the light of day during the era of Ferry Porsche. And 
third, the legendary Porsche 917, many times the winner in Le Mans and lauded 
by 
Motor Sport, the British car magazine, as the greatest racing car in 
history, is also celebrating an important anniversary in 2009, with both of 
these 
models – the 914 and the 917 – turning forty this year.

At Nürburgring the Porsche Customer Center Classic is teaming up in the 
same area with Porsche Exclusive  Tequipment as well as Porsche Design Driver’
s Selection. A large hospitality area with its own grandstand on the race 
track rounds off the special offer Porsche is making, with an expected turnout 
of 700 guests coming to Nürburgring from all over Europe in approximately 
400 Porsche cars.

Friends and aficionados visiting the Classic Tent will have the opportunity 
to admire unique models such as the police version of the 993 model series 
911, which Ferry Porsche himself presented to the police in 
Baden-Wuerttemberg as a gift in 1996. Up until the day it was taken out of 
service, this 
very special 911 – the millionth car built by Porsche – performed perfectly 
without the slightest problem for the state authorities. Today the car is to 
be admired at the Porsche Museum, after having been restored to as-new 
condition by Porsche Classic.

This very special police version of the 911 also stands for the entire 993 
model series, the last series of its kind with an air-cooled power unit. And 
since 1 August 2009 all versions of the 993 built from 1993 to 1998 have 
been in the custody of Porsche Classic as the latest, still relatively young 
additions to this special division.
The cars shown by Japanese racing driver and Porsche enthusiast Tetsu 
Ikuzawa at Nürburgring are also very special highlights. Back in 1967 Ikuzawa 
was 
Porsche’s only Japanese works driver to take the wheel of a Porsche 906, 
winning the Japanese Grand Prix in the same year. In 1969 he bought a 911 S 
Targa in Signal Yellow in England, where he was living at the time – 
subsequently buying back this very special 170-bhp model forty years later 
after 
having searched for the car all over the world (and finding it, now painted 
black, with a retrofitted RS rear wing in a hall in the town of Nogano in 
Japan). Porsche Classic was requested right away to restore the car completely 
to 
its previous glory, in a process in which this unique 911 will boast all the 
features and details it had when leaving the Zuffenhausen Plant in 1969.

Being a passionate fan of Porsche, Ikuzawa has nevertheless gone a step 
further, Porsche Exclusive also building an almost identical Carrera 4S Targa 
in the current 997 model series for Ikuzawa in parallel to his classic Targa. 
Naturally, this new model also comes in Signal Yellow and features further 
highlights from the Exclusive range.

A young classic already valuable today: the 993 

Re: [MBZ] Porsche parts

[RELNGSON]

 Guess Roger will be able to get all his Porsche parts from the local 
 VW dealer in the future...
 
I have been sourcing my Porsche parts from Rusty for some time now. And MB 
bits also. I just don't feel the need to mention it.

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[MBZ] Porsche 356 spinout and crash

[RELNGSON]

This is my home track, Pacific Raceways near Seattle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaUL3wjsCYfeature=related

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[MBZ] Porsche 911 through the years

[RELNGSON]

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche 911 through the years

[Mountain Man]

RLE wrote:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qogIKTfOG2cfeature=channel_page

nice.
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche 911 through the years

[Loren Faeth]

WRONG LIST!  This is the MB list  Send it to the porch list and see 
if anyone cares


At 07:24 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche 356 spinout and crash

[Loren Faeth]

WRONG LIST!  This is the MB list

At 07:22 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote:

This is my home track, Pacific Raceways near Seattle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaUL3wjsCYfeature=related

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[MBZ] Porsche Stutz

[RELNGSON]

A pretty good read, methinks:

http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2008/10/only-responsible-trade.html

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche built Mercedes?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/862329929.html

 Seems unusual... I think he's probably FOS. Comments?


Nope, it's all true, and the price is not out of line if the car is as
represented.  The 500E really is a modern classic, the spiritual
successor to the 6.3 and 6.9.

Alex Chamberlain, W124 junkie

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche built Mercedes?

[Donald Snook]

Alex wrote regarding a MB 500E:

Nope, it's all true, and the price is not out of line if the car is as 
represented.  The 500E really is a modern classic, the spiritual successor to 
the 6.3 and 6.9.

They are amazing cars.  They handle like they are rails, they are wicked fast, 
but sophisticated and luxurious.  If I won the lottery (or somehow came into a 
lot money), one of these would be one of the first cars I would buy.  I have 
seen these cars with 150,000 miles go for 18K, so it is not a bad price if it 
really is as nice as described.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche built Mercedes?

[Chuck Landenberger]

Curt,

He's NOT FOS!.He's right on target.  But not totally built by  
Porsche.  The '92/'93 500E's were build cooperatively by both  
Mercedes-Benz and Porsche.  I don't know which built what, but each  
car took 18 days to build and during that time was transported  
between factories during construction as stated in the ad.   For  
confirmation:   http://www.e500.org/


I own one (1992, Smoke Silver - 702 Paint Code) and it IS a Banker's  
Hot Rod!..  Solid and quiet and very fast.  And to the  
uninitiated, it can be mistaken for a 300E.  One item of his ad is  
incorrect.  The 1994 E500, with the E-Class front end mods, was built  
solely by Mercedes-Benz.


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix

On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


http://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/862329929.html

Seems unusual... I think he's probably FOS. Comments?

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche built Mercedes?

[Mitch Haley]

http://500ecstasy.com/forums/index.php

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche built Mercedes?

[Curt Raymond]

Wow badass... Who knew there was anybody on Craigslist that was honest about 
anything? ;)

-Curt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche built Mercedes?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:56 PM

Curt,

He's NOT FOS!.He's right on target.  But not totally built by  
Porsche.  The '92/'93 500E's were build cooperatively by both  
Mercedes-Benz and Porsche.  I don't know which built what, but each  
car took 18 days to build and during that time was transported  
between factories during construction as stated in the ad.   For  
confirmation:   http://www.e500.org/

I own one (1992, Smoke Silver - 702 Paint Code) and it IS a Banker's 

Hot Rod!..  Solid and quiet and very fast.  And to the  
uninitiated, it can be mistaken for a 300E.  One item of his ad is  
incorrect.  The 1994 E500, with the E-Class front end mods, was built  
solely by Mercedes-Benz.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche test rig/seen before but.....

[Rolf]

Now that is cool.

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 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=127890

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche built Mercedes?

[Tyler]

Same here. I've noticed things sell a lot quicker when you clearly  
state and photograph all of the problems (no matter how small) in an  
ad. If they see a 20 y/o vehicle that is advertised as perfect, they  
assume you're lying.


I've probably sold about 20 vehicles on CL, and they all sold in under  
48 hours, at several times what I paid for them.


Sincerely,
Tyler William H Backman
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel

On Oct 1, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote:

Who knew there was anybody on Craigslist that was honest about  
anything?


There are very few of us!!  I'm not the type to BS someone when I'm  
selling something.  I would rather state something like it is rather  
than lie about it and have a pi$$ed-off buyer later.


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche wasser

[RELNGSON]

 When Porsche went to water cooling, emissions played a large part in
 their decission.  The air cooled engines were also expensive to build.  The
 new engine remained a flat 6, and had the oil tank kind of build into it, so
 not a dry sump engine as in having it's own oil tank like in previous cars.
 I think some of the thinking was, fewer hoses, less parts, fewer things to
 break and leak, and simpler to make.  I'm not sure how long the new engine
 was on the design board, but I'm sure porsche saw the changes coming.  I'm
 not 100%, but I think some of the earlier air cooled race engines, like the
 962 had the heads cooled by water. As far as I know, there were very few if
 any carry over parts from the older air cooled engine into the new water
 cooled 996 and boxter models.  Again, can't say for certain as I haven't dug
 into one yet.
 
All true. The other factors were noise, since the aircooled engines at the 
end had a tough time passing pass-by noise regs in Switzerland, as one example. 
Plus, reliable 4-valve designs with variable valve timing that could be cooled 
adequately and turbocharged without the old turbo problems. Well, almost.

But, Porsche, after twelve production years is still having engine problems 
which they refuse to reveal or admit. Of course, the previous 993 models have 
continuing problems which can be remedied at the owner's expense. Considerable 
expense.

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[MBZ] Porsche/hauling it to the bank

[RELNGSON]

Porsche Going Well Despite Difficult Times

Stuttgart. Despite economic conditions becoming more difficult, Porsche
Automobil Holding SE, Stuttgart, is developing positively. In the first six
months of the current 2007/08 financial year (1 August 2007 – 31 January
2008) the Company is expected to show an increase in revenues, based on the
figures up to mid-January 2008, of approximately 14.2 per cent to Euro 3.5
billion. Sales are expected to increase by an even more significant 18.7
per cent to approximately 46,600 units. This was announced by the President
and Chief Executive Officer of Porsche Automobil Holding SE, Dr. Wendelin
Wiedeking, at the Annual General Meeting of the Company this Friday in the
Stuttgart Porsche Arena.

Earnings in the first six months will not be announced until the
presentation of the Semi-Annual Report in March, since, according to the
international IFRS accounting standards, VW’s figures for the fourth
quarter 2007 still have to be taken into account and are not yet available.
Addressing shareholders in Stuttgart, Dr. Wiedeking added, however: “The
semi-annual results are also expected to reflect our optimistic
expectations. The operating profit in our car business is developing
according to plan and our hedging transactions in the context of our
long-term VW strategy look good.”

In terms of sales, the Cayenne model series has picked up significant
momentum, clearly underlining and confirming the development already seen
in the first four months of the 2007/08 financial year. Sales of Porsche’s
sports utility are expected to double in the first half of the year to some
20,340 units, clearly confirming the ongoing great interest in the new
Cayenne, even though the previous year’s figure of 9,940 units sold was
characterised by the discontinuation of the first generation of the Cayenne
in November 2006.

Accounting for sales of presumably 16,360 units by the end of the first
half, the 911 was down approximately 5.6 per cent from the very high figure
in the same period last year of 17,329 units. The Boxster series including
the Cayman models is expected to account for sales of 9,900 units following
11,979 in the same period last year.

The increase in sales varies from one region to the other: Up by an
anticipated 11.4 per cent to approximately 16,200 units, North America is
continuing to develop positively. Porsche is well-prepared for a possible
economic crisis in the USA, with inventories in the local market having
been significantly reduced. Germany shows slight growth to approximately
5,700 units following 5,498 in the same period last year. The increase in
sales in the other regions remains substantial, expected to show growth by
more than 28 per cent in the first six months of the ongoing 2007/08
financial year, equal to approximately 24,700 units in absolute terms. In
his statement to shareholders, Dr. Wiedeking emphasised that Porsche is now
represented in 103 markets the world over, thus benefiting from a broad
sales foundation offering good protection and stability also in a very
difficult market.

In all, Porsche intends in fiscal 2007/08 to follow up the high level of
sales in the previous year. New models such as the particularly sporting
Cayenne GTS, the 911 Turbo Cabriolet and the 911 GT2 will contribute to
this positive development in the same way as the Company’s ongoing growth
in the future markets China and Russia. Looking at the entire 2007/08
financial year which started on 1 August 2007, Porsche is confident that
the Company will continue its successful course of development. Again to
quote Dr. Wiedeking: “Barring the unexpected, we should again achieve a
result where it will be difficult to suppress tears of joy.”



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[MBZ] Porsche pick up truck

[Hendrik Fay]

http://video.cardomain.com/Clip.aspx?key=0C54CA57A26EF0F9

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche pick up truck

[E M]

I think I need one. :-)

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along

[LarryT]

Hi Ed,  You wrote:Lets see what the near zero defect S looks like in 10
years.

I've always thought car evaluations  should be bsed on a car chosen at 
random with 100k miles on it.  A new car *should* be easy to build - but of 
course, it;s not.  A car with some miles on it is much more representative 
of a cars build quality.

But for those on this list that's pretty basic knowledge.  I do like the 
long term tests performed by some magazines as they are approaching real 
world - especially near the end of the term.

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- Original Message - 
From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along


 Na, I read other posts besides my own, I just try to avoid reading yours
 whenever possible.

 Defects are largely based on what people bring back and complain about.
 It's as much to do with owner expectations, as it is about a quality
 product.  Most guys how guy a new S Class are probably going to be a 
 little
 pickier than a guy who buys a Camry.

 As for the 993 being a zero defects car, it was far from that.  If you 
 think
 it is, go and buy the best one you can find and live with it for awhile.
 Blow an engine up a newer porsche, under warranty, and they won't even try
 to rebuild it, they'll just plug a new one in..   Nothing wrong with a
 Boxster, I've spend lots of time in them, but many of the parts look like
 they were supplied by IKEA, and some of the engineering, is just, well,
 crap!

 Porsche is making lots of money and stying healthy.  Good for them, just
 means I'll be more likely to be able to get factory parts of my old 
 beaters
 in the years to come.

 As for Mercedes, the new S550 also came out with near zero defects. 
 Having
 said that, most are probably leased for 3-4 years, so if dumping the car 
 in
 a few years, maybe the driver doesn't look as close as the guy 20 years 
 ago
 who wrote out the big cheque, and planned to live with the car for 15 
 years
 or 400,000 kms does.  Lets see what the near zero defect S looks like in 
 10
 years.

 Ed
 300E, and other stuff too.

 On 14/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 they just sent some guys to Japan to show them how to make them faster
 and
 cheaper. :-)

 Ed, this is what happens when all you read are your own posts.

 As I posted some time back, more than twelve years ago Porsche openly
 hired a
 Japanese consulting company to come in and redesign the factory (from the
 German way of doing things) to lower costs and raise efficiency.

 As a result, production cost of the 993 was cut by a third and soon 
 after,
 the first zero defects car was built in the company's history. And today,
 Porsche's profit per unit is the highest in the industry, worldwide.

 Which is also why I bought a new Mercedes instead of a Boxster or Cayman.

 RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along

[Allan Streib]

LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've always thought car evaluations should be bsed on a car chosen
 at random with 100k miles on it.

Would be nice, but 90% of the population don't keep a car that long,
so they don't care.

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along

[RELNGSON]

they just sent some guys to Japan to show them how to make them faster and 
cheaper. :-)

Ed, this is what happens when all you read are your own posts.

As I posted some time back, more than twelve years ago Porsche openly hired a 
Japanese consulting company to come in and redesign the factory (from the 
German way of doing things) to lower costs and raise efficiency.

As a result, production cost of the 993 was cut by a third and soon after, 
the first zero defects car was built in the company's history. And today, 
Porsche's profit per unit is the highest in the industry, worldwide.

Which is also why I bought a new Mercedes instead of a Boxster or Cayman.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along

[E M]

Na, I read other posts besides my own, I just try to avoid reading yours
whenever possible.

Defects are largely based on what people bring back and complain about.
It's as much to do with owner expectations, as it is about a quality
product.  Most guys how guy a new S Class are probably going to be a little
pickier than a guy who buys a Camry.

As for the 993 being a zero defects car, it was far from that.  If you think
it is, go and buy the best one you can find and live with it for awhile.
Blow an engine up a newer porsche, under warranty, and they won't even try
to rebuild it, they'll just plug a new one in..   Nothing wrong with a
Boxster, I've spend lots of time in them, but many of the parts look like
they were supplied by IKEA, and some of the engineering, is just, well,
crap!

Porsche is making lots of money and stying healthy.  Good for them, just
means I'll be more likely to be able to get factory parts of my old beaters
in the years to come.

As for Mercedes, the new S550 also came out with near zero defects.  Having
said that, most are probably leased for 3-4 years, so if dumping the car in
a few years, maybe the driver doesn't look as close as the guy 20 years ago
who wrote out the big cheque, and planned to live with the car for 15 years
or 400,000 kms does.  Lets see what the near zero defect S looks like in 10
years.

Ed
300E, and other stuff too.

On 14/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 they just sent some guys to Japan to show them how to make them faster
 and
 cheaper. :-)

 Ed, this is what happens when all you read are your own posts.

 As I posted some time back, more than twelve years ago Porsche openly
 hired a
 Japanese consulting company to come in and redesign the factory (from the
 German way of doing things) to lower costs and raise efficiency.

 As a result, production cost of the 993 was cut by a third and soon after,
 the first zero defects car was built in the company's history. And today,
 Porsche's profit per unit is the highest in the industry, worldwide.

 Which is also why I bought a new Mercedes instead of a Boxster or Cayman.

 RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche America

[RELNGSON]

 While original paint might be rare, there are hundreds of gullwings
 that haven't been converted to piles of rust flakes. How many 1952
 356 roadsters still have floors in them? 5? 10?
 
Between sixteen and twenty aluminum America Roadsters were built for the US 
market. There is no question that every single open Porsche built in those days 
is in the hands of a collector.

http://vista.pca.org/stl/52amroad.htm

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[MBZ] Porsche 962 at LeMans

[RELNGSON]

http://germancarscene.com/2007/01/22/scary-le-mans-962-video/

After watching this, scroll down a bit to Categories and click on Mercedes.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Porsche 962 at LeMans

[LarryT]

An amazing video of the Porsche at Lemans - looks like mid 80s before the 
Mulsanne was broken up by a couple of chicanes.  He was probably doing 
nearly 250mph when he took one hand off the wheel!


Thanks for sharing that -

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Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Porsche 962 at LeMans



http://germancarscene.com/2007/01/22/scary-le-mans-962-video/

After watching this, scroll down a bit to Categories and click on 
Mercedes.


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche Speedster

[LarryT]

Great restoration story!  I was told once that when a Pebble Beach type 
resto is done, when ever the car is taken off the trailer for a show, the 
restoration process must start again.  Naturally, not as detailed but (I'm 
just guessing here) the tires, brakes, perhaps parts of the engine if it's 
run for a while  Then, if it's driven on the coast route (or whatever they 
call it) I would think even more parts need to be examined and 
cleaned/restored once again.


is this totally off the wall?  does a high quality resto last X years?  I 
wonder how they determine when and how detailed the 2nd generation resto 
will be?


While I enjoy restoring my cars - which usually consists of cleaning and 
repainting parts I remove on a car I intend to drive I wouldn;t have the 
patience to fully strip a car for restoration..  I seldom disassembly 
something merely to restore it like a show winning car would need to have 
done.  While I did completely disassemble my '67 MGB that was mostly to 
allow me to replace and clean old parts - not to the kind of restoration 
ya'll did to the Speedster I found it to be a huge project.  I'm still 
putting it back together after 16 years. Granted, a big part of that time 
was dead time while contemplated how I would deal with all the rust.  I 
eventually bought a rust free  B on ebay and transferred all my parts to it. 
But I still have the *whole* frigging interior to finish. ;-(  Yep, it's a 
huge effort.


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Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche Speedster


I got the $3495 price from a RT road test.but that price includes 
the

optional 1500S engine with 84bhp for an extra $500..

That would be a pre-A, then. 1955 or earlier.

Speedsters are still great to drive as long as iffy visibility with the 
top
up and the odd rain leak is OK. Just so happens the my friend SJB and I 
spent
five years restoring his '56 1600 Normal Speedster to Porsche Parade 
Concours
standards. Complete disassembly followed by new floors, longitudinals, 
half the
nose plus backdating the rear lights and adjusting the shut lines, 
allowing
for paint thickness. Metalwork alone was 13 grand. Engine overhaul by 
Clark
Anderson. Every single part in the car was either replaced or restored to 
as new
condition. Every fastener refinished to the correct color. Instruments 
redone.

New wiring harness. All new interior with the seats redone in tan leather.
New tan top and sidecurtains.

Nothing was too good for this car and I have never asked what the final 
bill
was. I have seen many restored 356s and this car is at the top rank. Of 
the
three restorations I helped with (a 1964 904GTS and a 1973 Carrera RS 
Touring),

this one will not be sold. It's now carefully street driven and is a
consistent Concours winner.

The problem (if you would call it that) is that a true restoration is so
expensive and time consuming that after the trophies are collected and the 
car has

been around a while, it's time to move on to something else. We found that
bringing something back from the dead to an example of perfection is more 
fun

than after it's finished.

My friend has moved on to a restoration of an entirely different sort, 
now.


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche Speedster

[OK Don]

And an MGB is a relatively simple car! I just spent three years on the
engine in the 450SLC - and that was just to mechanical sound-ness and
nice to look at, not anywhere near to like new. The ACC and interior
is starting to appear a bit daunting!


 While I did completely disassemble my '67 MGB that was mostly to
allow me to replace and clean old parts - not to the kind of restoration
ya'll did to the Speedster I found it to be a huge project.  I'm still
putting it back together after 16 years. Granted, a big part of that time
was dead time while contemplated how I would deal with all the rust.  I
eventually bought a rust free  B on ebay and transferred all my parts to it.
But I still have the *whole* frigging interior to finish. ;-(  Yep, it's a
huge effort.




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Re: [MBZ] Porsche Speedster

[RELNGSON]

I got the $3495 price from a RT road test.but that price includes the 
optional 1500S engine with 84bhp for an extra $500..

That would be a pre-A, then. 1955 or earlier.

Speedsters are still great to drive as long as iffy visibility with the top 
up and the odd rain leak is OK. Just so happens the my friend SJB and I spent 
five years restoring his '56 1600 Normal Speedster to Porsche Parade Concours 
standards. Complete disassembly followed by new floors, longitudinals, half the 
nose plus backdating the rear lights and adjusting the shut lines, allowing 
for paint thickness. Metalwork alone was 13 grand. Engine overhaul by Clark 
Anderson. Every single part in the car was either replaced or restored to as 
new 
condition. Every fastener refinished to the correct color. Instruments redone. 
New wiring harness. All new interior with the seats redone in tan leather. 
New tan top and sidecurtains.

Nothing was too good for this car and I have never asked what the final bill 
was. I have seen many restored 356s and this car is at the top rank. Of the 
three restorations I helped with (a 1964 904GTS and a 1973 Carrera RS Touring), 
this one will not be sold. It's now carefully street driven and is a 
consistent Concours winner.

The problem (if you would call it that) is that a true restoration is so 
expensive and time consuming that after the trophies are collected and the car 
has 
been around a while, it's time to move on to something else. We found that 
bringing something back from the dead to an example of perfection is more fun 
than after it's finished.

My friend has moved on to a restoration of an entirely different sort, now.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Porsche Fuchs wanted

[LarryT]

Hemmings has a guy in Ca. always looking for Porsche wheels  - he probably 
collects them, refinishes them and sells them - he may be affiliated with 
WheelEnhancement -- anyway - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 310-793-0129


Also, www.rennlist.com has a lengthy list of wheels for sale in their 
classified section, including some 8x16 Fuchs and others but it doesn;t list 
the offset.


HTH's

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Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Porsche Fuchs wanted



Try PCA.com DWS

If you can find anything Porsche on that website, I'll kiss your...

But at PCA.org, I have been checking Panorama's Mart several times weekly.

Not to mention Craigslist for all major cities west of the Rockies.

And: Wheel Enhancement, Euromotors, and Parts Heaven in California. 
Ernie's

Alloys in Florida. Part Werks in Illinois.

All PCA Regional online publications in all the major metropolitan areas.

It's going to be a private owner where these particular wheels and other 
rare
parts are unearthed. I got a call from a local guy who had one wheel he 
had
picked up as a spare for his race car and he wanted $150 for it which was 
the
bargain of the century. I picked it up in one hour. BTW, I can buy them 
new for

$1000 each.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche Fuchs wanted

[LarryT]

Was browsing the rennlist.com wheel ads and ad# 9728 has wheels like you are 
looking for incl the 10.6 offset - they are refinished at $1100.  The photo 
shows 2 wheels but the ad does not state the total # for sale.


Good luck -

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Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:57 PM
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Try PCA.com DWS

If you can find anything Porsche on that website, I'll kiss your...

But at PCA.org, I have been checking Panorama's Mart several times weekly.

Not to mention Craigslist for all major cities west of the Rockies.

And: Wheel Enhancement, Euromotors, and Parts Heaven in California. 
Ernie's

Alloys in Florida. Part Werks in Illinois.

All PCA Regional online publications in all the major metropolitan areas.

It's going to be a private owner where these particular wheels and other 
rare
parts are unearthed. I got a call from a local guy who had one wheel he 
had
picked up as a spare for his race car and he wanted $150 for it which was 
the
bargain of the century. I picked it up in one hour. BTW, I can buy them 
new for

$1000 each.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche Fuchs wanted

[RELNGSON]

Try PCA.com DWS

If you can find anything Porsche on that website, I'll kiss your...

But at PCA.org, I have been checking Panorama's Mart several times weekly.

Not to mention Craigslist for all major cities west of the Rockies. 

And: Wheel Enhancement, Euromotors, and Parts Heaven in California. Ernie's 
Alloys in Florida. Part Werks in Illinois.

All PCA Regional online publications in all the major metropolitan areas.

It's going to be a private owner where these particular wheels and other rare 
parts are unearthed. I got a call from a local guy who had one wheel he had 
picked up as a spare for his race car and he wanted $150 for it which was the 
bargain of the century. I picked it up in one hour. BTW, I can buy them new for 
$1000 each.

RLE

[MBZ] Porsche show

[tom savage]

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[OK Don]

Great pics!  It doesn't look like you'd easily retrofit a US 198 with
Euro headlights!

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[Zeitgeist]

That Citroen is sure purdy!

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[Frank Pembleton]

Sorry I didn't get there.  I tried to talk my son into going, but it didn't
work out.

How much are you charging the 300SL guy for storage?  

 
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[Frank Pembleton]

PS  That's a great looking ashtray in your Gullwing!

 
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Sorry I didn't get there.  I tried to talk my son into going, but it didn't
work out.

How much are you charging the 300SL guy for storage?  

 
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[tom savage]

Frank Pembleton wrote:

PS  That's a great looking ashtray in your Gullwing!


Why thank you.  I'm mighty proud of that dash; just finished installing 
the gauges on Friday.  And fit the hood properly.


We've decided against bothering with storage fees in favor of some new 
data tags and a Belarussian title.


Tom

Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[tom savage]

OK Don wrote:

Great pics!  It doesn't look like you'd easily retrofit a US 198 with
Euro headlights!


Actually, that is a US car with euro lights.  The roadster had different 
headlight assemblies than the gullwing and the US/euro units interchange 
just like any other MB.


Tom

Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[OK Don]

OK. The gullwing looks like you'd have to replace the fender. Now that
I think about it, I don't think I've seen a roadster, only gullwings.



Actually, that is a US car with euro lights.  The roadster had different
headlight assemblies than the gullwing and the US/euro units interchange
just like any other MB.

Tom



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Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[andrew strasfogel]

Over in France, we didn't see many Citroens.

On 9/25/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


OK. The gullwing looks like you'd have to replace the fender. Now that
I think about it, I don't think I've seen a roadster, only gullwings.


 Actually, that is a US car with euro lights.  The roadster had different
 headlight assemblies than the gullwing and the US/euro units interchange
 just like any other MB.

 Tom


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche show

[Jeff Zedic]

Actually you probably saw thousandsjust not ones that look like that 
antique DS.


Here's what they look like now.

http://www.citroen.com/CWW/en-US/RANGE/PrivateCars/C1/default/

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

[MBZ] Porsche vs GM

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Re: [MBZ] Porsche in PnP

[Mitch Haley]

redghost wrote:
 
 Axles from a Montero and the tranfercase should fit under the Porsche.
 That is a mid engine though, so might have to transplant a Fiero engine
 instead.   There were a couple in the yard that would be good donors.

I believe the engine/transaxle in the Citation is identical to the Fiero.
After the Fiero came out, I figured that just about any FWD angine/trans/
subframe/suspension could be used to make a mid-engine car. How about
a Ford GT40 or Lambo Miura replicar with a hopped up VW TDI in it?
The most interesting conversion I ever saw on the market was called
SHOgun, if I recall correctly. They took the 3.0L 220hp Yamaha V6 out
of a Taurus SHO and stuck it in the back seat of a Festiva. Looked 
remarkably like a Renault 5 Turbo, which was basically a 185hp mid
engine LeCar.

Re: [MBZ] Porsche in PnP

[Ed Booher]

On 6/4/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I believe the engine/transaxle in the Citation is identical to the Fiero.
After the Fiero came out, I figured that just about any FWD angine/trans/
subframe/suspension could be used to make a mid-engine car. How about


The interesting thing to note is that the Fiero was a quick engineer
vehicle. It was literally a Front wheel drive car, turned completely
around before the body panels were placed. I'm not sure about after
they became popular and stuck around for a few years, but I know the
early models even have *steering knuckles* that are welded (I think to
the sub frame, it's been many many years) so the rear wheels don't
turn.


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Re: [MBZ] Porsche in PnP

[Mitch Haley]

 The interesting thing to note is that the Fiero was a quick 
 engineer vehicle. 

Lots of parts bin engineering in that one. Pontiac wanted
a plastic 2-seat sports car to compete with the Corvette,
but could never gain approval from GM for that. So they
came up with a sporty commuter car, with Chevette front
suspension and X-body front end moved to the rear. The way
I remember it, they still had tie rods on the steering 
knuckles for toe adjustment, but I'm not certain. 
Mitch

Re: [MBZ] Porsche in PnP

[redghost]

Axles from a Montero and the tranfercase should fit under the Porsche.  
That is a mid engine though, so might have to transplant a Fiero engine 
instead.   There were a couple in the yard that would be good donors.


On Thursday, June 1, 2006, at 01:51 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:


You're a sick man.  Please seek help.

On 6/1/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Went to the PnP today in search of toys.  Saw that the pen held a baby
blue 914.  Wonder how long that will take to strip.  Bet it would make
a good platform for a 4x4




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[MBZ] Porsche in PnP

[redghost]

Went to the PnP today in search of toys.  Saw that the pen held a baby 
blue 914.  Wonder how long that will take to strip.  Bet it would make 
a good platform for a 4x4



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Re: [MBZ] Porsche in PnP

[Zeitgeist]

You're a sick man.  Please seek help.

On 6/1/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Went to the PnP today in search of toys.  Saw that the pen held a baby
blue 914.  Wonder how long that will take to strip.  Bet it would make
a good platform for a 4x4




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Re: [MBZ] Porsche autobahn crash

[RELNGSON]

Mega crash is certainly appropriate. I wonder what caused him to lose 
control. You can see in the fourth picture that he was driving along a
straight road and then swerved to the right. It looks like he was already 
spinning long before he crossed the merge lane.

First, it's her, not him. You notice the bandaged female and two others, one 
sitting on the ground in one photo. The rear seatbacks are up because that 
area was occupied. The interesting thing is that only the car ends are 
literally 
shredded but the cabin is almost unbent, except fot the cowl coming back 
slightly and popping up the hardtop a little in front. And it took a hell of a 
force to yank the engine out and jam the left front wheel and strut under the 
guard rail without the tire. It's a 996 Cabrio which came with two tops. 
Luckily 
the car didn't flip.

I've seen skidmarks just like this at the track and they always end up the 
same way. Very high speed followed by inappropriate   braking or a lane change. 
Of course, a deserted section of autobahn is tempting. And just because one 
has the money to buy a fast car doesn't mean the skill and judgement comes with 
it. In Seattle we call it the Microsoft syndrome.

And, I'm speaking from 25 years experience as an instructor in PCA's Driver 
Ed program.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Porsche autobahn crash

[l02turner]

RLE wrote:only the car ends are literally shredded but the cabin is almost 
unbent,


That must have been a huge impact - which speaks volumns about the strength 
of these cars.  I've spent a bit of time browsing junk yards and the MB's I 
saw nearly always had intact people compartments.   Rarely did it look like 
the passengers would have not survived.  Haven't seen many Porsches in junk 
yards - I guess the specialist junk yards grab the Porsches as soon as they 
become available.  But there was a place north of Richmond Va - McLawhorns - 
had a little Renault or something on a tall  pole out front - they had the 
best selection of sports cars I'd ever seen.  Rows of 911s, more rows of 
356s, MGBs. Jags, etc.I was in heaven.


Anyway - that Porsche took a lot of damage and yet the passengers appear to 
have not only survived, but walked away!


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Mega crash is certainly appropriate. I wonder what caused him to lose
control. You can see in the fourth picture that he was driving along a
straight road and then swerved to the right. It looks like he was already
spinning long before he crossed the merge lane.

First, it's her, not him. You notice the bandaged female and two others, 
one

sitting on the ground in one photo. The rear seatbacks are up because that
area was occupied. The interesting thing is that only the car ends are 
literally

shredded but the cabin is almost unbent, except fot the cowl coming back
slightly and popping up the hardtop a little in front. And it took a hell 
of a
force to yank the engine out and jam the left front wheel and strut under 
the
guard rail without the tire. It's a 996 Cabrio which came with two tops. 
Luckily

the car didn't flip.

I've seen skidmarks just like this at the track and they always end up the
same way. Very high speed followed by inappropriate   braking or a lane 
change.
Of course, a deserted section of autobahn is tempting. And just because 
one
has the money to buy a fast car doesn't mean the skill and judgement comes 
with

it. In Seattle we call it the Microsoft syndrome.

And, I'm speaking from 25 years experience as an instructor in PCA's 
Driver

Ed program.

RLE
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