Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
There's a rubber flex disk in all of the MB steering shafts I've looked at - but I don't know that there isn't a direct connecting center shaft that I can't see - having never dis-assembled one. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM, pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Buyer Beware, the force you rap the shaft with will be transmitted to the steering box. May or may not be good for it. One steering box would buy a bunch of pullers. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Uh oh. What was the number on it? The usual ones are 222 (purple, weak) 242 (blue, regular), 290 (green, wicking) and 271 (red, permanent), but there are about a dozen others. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
You didn't whack yourself in the face trying to get the wheel off? Its on a splined shaft after all... I'd guess if that bolt came out you'd only know about it because you'd hear the bolt rattling around inside the steering wheel. For the wheel to come off you'd have to pull on it. -Curt Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:21:19 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch Message-ID: f7b6bd1a1001312321v1fd0639bh64e41696a053d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I wire-brushed it clean and slathered it with Loctite Red before putting it back in. I leave whatever's on it alone, and put it back. It's always plenty hard to remove the next time. Isn't Loctite supposed to be only good for one application, though? It never occurred to me that it would do any good once it's all dry and crumbly and you've broken the adhesion by undoing the fastener. I was particularly concerned about the steering wheel bolt not coming loose by itself, for obvious reasons. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You didn't whack yourself in the face trying to get the wheel off? Its on a splined shaft after all... I just held the rim loosely with one hand and tapped the back side of the wheel gently with the BFH with the other hand. No face-whacking. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
I pulled the wheel on my 240D this morning, once its been done a couple times its easy, I even remembered to mark it so I can put it back on right... My point before was I don't think theres much danger of the wheel coming off even if the bolt backs out. Last time I had the wheel off I didn't mark it and it was a bitch to get back on in exactly the right orientation. Finally I drove around with the bolt out. If it felt wrong I'd pull over and adjust. After 2 or 3 adjustments I decided it felt as good as it was going to get so I put the bolt back in and called it good. -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:35:28 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch Message-ID: f7b6bd1a1002010935n3e382152t3e2d8b6beeeb3...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You didn't whack yourself in the face trying to get the wheel off? Its on a splined shaft after all... I just held the rim loosely with one hand and tapped the back side of the wheel gently with the BFH with the other hand. No face-whacking. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
Best way is to back the bolt out about 4 turns, then hold a drift pin on the bolt and whack the bolt with a BFH. That way after the wheel is loose, you can take out the bolt and pull off the wheel without any damage from whacking or from getting a steering wheel in your teeth. That is the method for unseating things on tapered shafts also, like tie rod ends. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You didn't whack yourself in the face trying to get the wheel off? Its on a splined shaft after all... I just held the rim loosely with one hand and tapped the back side of the wheel gently with the BFH with the other hand. No face-whacking. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
Buyer Beware, the force you rap the shaft with will be transmitted to the steering box. May or may not be good for it. One steering box would buy a bunch of pullers. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 2:05:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch Best way is to back the bolt out about 4 turns, then hold a drift pin on the bolt and whack the bolt with a BFH. That way after the wheel is loose, you can take out the bolt and pull off the wheel without any damage from whacking or from getting a steering wheel in your teeth. That is the method for unseating things on tapered shafts also, like tie rod ends. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You didn't whack yourself in the face trying to get the wheel off? Its on a splined shaft after all... I just held the rim loosely with one hand and tapped the back side of the wheel gently with the BFH with the other hand. No face-whacking. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
You didn't whack yourself in the face trying to get the wheel off? Its on a splined shaft after all... The secret is to leave the bolt in a few threads, then yank on the wheel. When it pops out to the bolt head, take out the bolt and then lift off the wheel. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I have never gotten the allen head bolt off the steering column except with a rattle wrench. The material is soft, and an allen socket on a breaker bar only distorts the allen head. (unless it has been removed before and not hammered in as tight as the factory.) I concur with Jim. Every turn signal stalk I have removed has been held in with two screws and you can thread the plug into and up the steering column without removing the steering wheel. That said, I have never had to do the job on a 124. Well, turns out you and Jim were right about the wheel, and Kaleb was right about the combo switch. I got the airbag out without blowing my head off, though there was a bit of squirming there as I undid the plug and put the airbag module in a safe place well away from anything that might short or static-ify the connectors. I didn't use a power impact wrench on the big hex bolt, too afraid of rounding it out. I gave it about ten smacks with a baby sledgehammer on the Harbor Freight hand-held impact driver, then yanked on it with my two-foot 1/2-drive S-K breaker bar, and it came right out with the head undamaged. (Don't know if it was factory-tight or if someone had been in there before, of course.) Never seen so much threadlocker on one fastener on a Benz, not even on suspension parts. I wire-brushed it clean and slathered it with Loctite Red before putting it back in. The combo switch itself comes out as a unit with the cruise control stalk once the wheel is off---then you can slide the two apart if you only want to replace one. The electrical connectors for both are buried below the dash, above the driver's calves, so you have to pull off the headlight switch, undo the big nut underneath (23mm IIRC), pry out the trim there and around the keyhole, unscrew the mounts for the parking brake lever and hood release, undo two 12mm bolts, and then you can pull out the interior-color knee panel below the steering column. I'd done that before when I put in a rebuilt cruise control amp on the '87 300D, so it was no big deal. And now I have a working wiper again! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:47:24 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I wire-brushed it clean and slathered it with Loctite Red before putting it back in. Isn't the red stuff the one that does not come apart without heat while the blue stuff is only difficult to get apart without heat? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:47:24 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I wire-brushed it clean and slathered it with Loctite Red before putting it back in. Isn't the red stuff the one that does not come apart without heat while the blue stuff is only difficult to get apart without heat? Uh oh. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
I wire-brushed it clean and slathered it with Loctite Red before putting it back in. I leave whatever's on it alone, and put it back. It's always plenty hard to remove the next time. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I wire-brushed it clean and slathered it with Loctite Red before putting it back in. I leave whatever's on it alone, and put it back. It's always plenty hard to remove the next time. Isn't Loctite supposed to be only good for one application, though? It never occurred to me that it would do any good once it's all dry and crumbly and you've broken the adhesion by undoing the fastener. I was particularly concerned about the steering wheel bolt not coming loose by itself, for obvious reasons. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
Yes, there are two torx screws on the back of the 124 wheel I'm looking at, too. Easy to remove and then what? I'm guessing it comes out and you can easily unplug it, set it somewhere safe, then go about removing the actual wheel? (I have done the latter on a pre-airbag 107... seems to me there was just one big [and VERY tight] nut holding the wheel on.) Exactly. Except it's not a nut anymore, it's a big Allen-headed bolt. Very easy to strip the head, in relation to the nut. I had to chisel one out, that was no fun. If need be, get an extra set of hands on there to prevent the wrench slipping and ruining the bolt head. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
I have never gotten the allen head bolt off the steering column except with a rattle wrench. The material is soft, and an allen socket on a breaker bar only distorts the allen head. (unless it has been removed before and not hammered in as tight as the factory.) I concur with Jim. Every turn signal stalk I have removed has been held in with two screws and you can thread the plug into and up the steering column without removing the steering wheel. That said, I have never had to do the job on a 124. I could not figure a way to change the brake booster on a 107 without removing the steering wheel or the seat. I chose the wheel. Yes, there are two torx screws on the back of the 124 wheel I'm looking at, too. Easy to remove and then what? I'm guessing it comes out and you can easily unplug it, set it somewhere safe, then go about removing the actual wheel? (I have done the latter on a pre-airbag 107... seems to me there was just one big [and VERY tight] nut holding the wheel on.) Exactly. Except it's not a nut anymore, it's a big Allen-headed bolt. Very easy to strip the head, in relation to the nut. I had to chisel one out, that was no fun. If need be, get an extra set of hands on there to prevent the wrench slipping and ruining the bolt head. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
you have to remove the steering wheel. Alex Chamberlain wrote: Is there a way to RR the combo (wiper/turn signal/high beam) switch on a 300E without pulling the steering wheel? I thought I remembered someone talking about that recently here, but can't find it in the archives. I got a junkyard switch assembly from eBay, and the combo switch and cruise control stalk appear to be permanently attached to a sort of mounting ring which presumably must slip over the steering column behind the wheel---but if there's any way to avoid removing the dreaded airbag, I'd love to know it. Thanks, Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
Is there a way to RR the combo (wiper/turn signal/high beam) switch on a 300E without pulling the steering wheel? I thought I remembered someone talking about that recently here, but can't find it in the archives. I got a junkyard switch assembly from eBay, and the combo switch and cruise control stalk appear to be permanently attached to a sort of mounting ring which presumably must slip over the steering column behind the wheel---but if there's any way to avoid removing the dreaded airbag, I'd love to know it. Thanks, Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
Is there a way to RR the combo (wiper/turn signal/high beam) switch on a 300E without pulling the steering wheel? I didn't think you ever had to do this. But the airbag is easy to remove on the 107, just two torx screws on the back side of the wheel. Thought the combo was held on with two screws, and could come out from behind the wheel. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR of 124 combo switch
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: the airbag is easy to remove on the 107, just two torx screws on the back side of the wheel. Yes, there are two torx screws on the back of the 124 wheel I'm looking at, too. Easy to remove and then what? I'm guessing it comes out and you can easily unplug it, set it somewhere safe, then go about removing the actual wheel? (I have done the latter on a pre-airbag 107... seems to me there was just one big [and VERY tight] nut holding the wheel on.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
