Re: [MBZ] Sunroof Sucks
A MIG welder, an angle grinder, and Bob's your uncle. On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 1:06 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Knowing dealers they will probably want to charge you an hour of labor for > a diagnosis fee to tell you how kind it will cost > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Probably. > > > > I’ll get a quote just for grins. > > > > -D > > > >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> I would think the dealer would charge an arm and a leg to do it. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I was thinking about that as well, or seeing if Robert (the > upholstery shop owner) would just let me do it there. > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > > On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Can’t you have the headliner removed then do the work yourself then > take it back to replace the headliner? > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > The ML550 sunroof has been non-functional since I bought it. I knew > this at the time, so no surprise. Not a big deal to me, but today more out > of curiosity than anything else I tore into it. > > > > Found the motor unplugged. Hmm. > > > > Plugged it in, tried to operate it. It tried to move, but wouldn’t > go full travel or close completely. Found some plastic pieces in the > tracks, not good. When it did move it was crooked in the opening, which > also wasn’t good. > > > > Used the manual crank on the motor to get everything back in place > and then went inside to do some research. > > > > Seems that the Webasto sunroof on these is a one-piece setup, much > of which is plastic (grr.) The plastic wears and is subject to lots of heat > in the roof, so it ages and gets brittle and breaks up. Only fix - $900 > part that requires removal of the headliner to replace. Bummer. > > > > However, I was planning on replacing the headliner, and my > upholstery guy is right up the street from the stealership and does a lot > of work for them. I may see if I can coordinate something between the two > so he can take the headliner out, run the car down to the dealer where they > can replace the mechanism and get things working, then take it back so > upholstery guy can finish the work. > > > > While it would still be expensive, probably over $1,000 at the > dealer alone, it would end up being a lot cheaper as I wouldn’t have to pay > them to R&R the headliner. > > > > I gotta think about this. > > > > -D > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http:
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof Sucks
Knowing dealers they will probably want to charge you an hour of labor for a diagnosis fee to tell you how kind it will cost Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:50 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Probably. > > I’ll get a quote just for grins. > > -D > >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I would think the dealer would charge an arm and a leg to do it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I was thinking about that as well, or seeing if Robert (the upholstery >>> shop owner) would just let me do it there. >>> >>> -D >>> > On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: Can’t you have the headliner removed then do the work yourself then take it back to replace the headliner? Sent from my iPhone >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: > > The ML550 sunroof has been non-functional since I bought it. I knew this > at the time, so no surprise. Not a big deal to me, but today more out of > curiosity than anything else I tore into it. > > Found the motor unplugged. Hmm. > > Plugged it in, tried to operate it. It tried to move, but wouldn’t go > full travel or close completely. Found some plastic pieces in the tracks, > not good. When it did move it was crooked in the opening, which also > wasn’t good. > > Used the manual crank on the motor to get everything back in place and > then went inside to do some research. > > Seems that the Webasto sunroof on these is a one-piece setup, much of > which is plastic (grr.) The plastic wears and is subject to lots of heat > in the roof, so it ages and gets brittle and breaks up. Only fix - $900 > part that requires removal of the headliner to replace. Bummer. > > However, I was planning on replacing the headliner, and my upholstery guy > is right up the street from the stealership and does a lot of work for > them. I may see if I can coordinate something between the two so he can > take the headliner out, run the car down to the dealer where they can > replace the mechanism and get things working, then take it back so > upholstery guy can finish the work. > > While it would still be expensive, probably over $1,000 at the dealer > alone, it would end up being a lot cheaper as I wouldn’t have to pay them > to R&R the headliner. > > I gotta think about this. > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof Sucks
Probably. I’ll get a quote just for grins. -D > On Jul 9, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I would think the dealer would charge an arm and a leg to do it. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I was thinking about that as well, or seeing if Robert (the upholstery shop >> owner) would just let me do it there. >> >> -D >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Can’t you have the headliner removed then do the work yourself then take >>> it back to replace the headliner? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: The ML550 sunroof has been non-functional since I bought it. I knew this at the time, so no surprise. Not a big deal to me, but today more out of curiosity than anything else I tore into it. Found the motor unplugged. Hmm. Plugged it in, tried to operate it. It tried to move, but wouldn’t go full travel or close completely. Found some plastic pieces in the tracks, not good. When it did move it was crooked in the opening, which also wasn’t good. Used the manual crank on the motor to get everything back in place and then went inside to do some research. Seems that the Webasto sunroof on these is a one-piece setup, much of which is plastic (grr.) The plastic wears and is subject to lots of heat in the roof, so it ages and gets brittle and breaks up. Only fix - $900 part that requires removal of the headliner to replace. Bummer. However, I was planning on replacing the headliner, and my upholstery guy is right up the street from the stealership and does a lot of work for them. I may see if I can coordinate something between the two so he can take the headliner out, run the car down to the dealer where they can replace the mechanism and get things working, then take it back so upholstery guy can finish the work. While it would still be expensive, probably over $1,000 at the dealer alone, it would end up being a lot cheaper as I wouldn’t have to pay them to R&R the headliner. I gotta think about this. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof Sucks
I would think the dealer would charge an arm and a leg to do it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was thinking about that as well, or seeing if Robert (the upholstery shop > owner) would just let me do it there. > > -D > >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Can’t you have the headliner removed then do the work yourself then take it >> back to replace the headliner? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> The ML550 sunroof has been non-functional since I bought it. I knew this >>> at the time, so no surprise. Not a big deal to me, but today more out of >>> curiosity than anything else I tore into it. >>> >>> Found the motor unplugged. Hmm. >>> >>> Plugged it in, tried to operate it. It tried to move, but wouldn’t go full >>> travel or close completely. Found some plastic pieces in the tracks, not >>> good. When it did move it was crooked in the opening, which also wasn’t >>> good. >>> >>> Used the manual crank on the motor to get everything back in place and then >>> went inside to do some research. >>> >>> Seems that the Webasto sunroof on these is a one-piece setup, much of which >>> is plastic (grr.) The plastic wears and is subject to lots of heat in the >>> roof, so it ages and gets brittle and breaks up. Only fix - $900 part that >>> requires removal of the headliner to replace. Bummer. >>> >>> However, I was planning on replacing the headliner, and my upholstery guy >>> is right up the street from the stealership and does a lot of work for >>> them. I may see if I can coordinate something between the two so he can >>> take the headliner out, run the car down to the dealer where they can >>> replace the mechanism and get things working, then take it back so >>> upholstery guy can finish the work. >>> >>> While it would still be expensive, probably over $1,000 at the dealer >>> alone, it would end up being a lot cheaper as I wouldn’t have to pay them >>> to R&R the headliner. >>> >>> I gotta think about this. >>> >>> -D >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof Sucks
I was thinking about that as well, or seeing if Robert (the upholstery shop owner) would just let me do it there. -D > On Jul 9, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Can’t you have the headliner removed then do the work yourself then take it > back to replace the headliner? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The ML550 sunroof has been non-functional since I bought it. I knew this at >> the time, so no surprise. Not a big deal to me, but today more out of >> curiosity than anything else I tore into it. >> >> Found the motor unplugged. Hmm. >> >> Plugged it in, tried to operate it. It tried to move, but wouldn’t go full >> travel or close completely. Found some plastic pieces in the tracks, not >> good. When it did move it was crooked in the opening, which also wasn’t good. >> >> Used the manual crank on the motor to get everything back in place and then >> went inside to do some research. >> >> Seems that the Webasto sunroof on these is a one-piece setup, much of which >> is plastic (grr.) The plastic wears and is subject to lots of heat in the >> roof, so it ages and gets brittle and breaks up. Only fix - $900 part that >> requires removal of the headliner to replace. Bummer. >> >> However, I was planning on replacing the headliner, and my upholstery guy is >> right up the street from the stealership and does a lot of work for them. I >> may see if I can coordinate something between the two so he can take the >> headliner out, run the car down to the dealer where they can replace the >> mechanism and get things working, then take it back so upholstery guy can >> finish the work. >> >> While it would still be expensive, probably over $1,000 at the dealer alone, >> it would end up being a lot cheaper as I wouldn’t have to pay them to R&R >> the headliner. >> >> I gotta think about this. >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof Sucks
Pull the headliner out, MIG the sunroof closed and solid, then have a new headliner installed - fixed permanently. On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 11:52 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Can’t you have the headliner removed then do the work yourself then take > it back to replace the headliner? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > The ML550 sunroof has been non-functional since I bought it. I knew > this at the time, so no surprise. Not a big deal to me, but today more out > of curiosity than anything else I tore into it. > > > > Found the motor unplugged. Hmm. > > > > Plugged it in, tried to operate it. It tried to move, but wouldn’t go > full travel or close completely. Found some plastic pieces in the tracks, > not good. When it did move it was crooked in the opening, which also wasn’t > good. > > > > Used the manual crank on the motor to get everything back in place and > then went inside to do some research. > > > > Seems that the Webasto sunroof on these is a one-piece setup, much of > which is plastic (grr.) The plastic wears and is subject to lots of heat in > the roof, so it ages and gets brittle and breaks up. Only fix - $900 part > that requires removal of the headliner to replace. Bummer. > > > > However, I was planning on replacing the headliner, and my upholstery > guy is right up the street from the stealership and does a lot of work for > them. I may see if I can coordinate something between the two so he can > take the headliner out, run the car down to the dealer where they can > replace the mechanism and get things working, then take it back so > upholstery guy can finish the work. > > > > While it would still be expensive, probably over $1,000 at the dealer > alone, it would end up being a lot cheaper as I wouldn’t have to pay them > to R&R the headliner. > > > > I gotta think about this. > > > > -D > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sunroof Sucks
Can’t you have the headliner removed then do the work yourself then take it back to replace the headliner? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2022, at 11:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > The ML550 sunroof has been non-functional since I bought it. I knew this at > the time, so no surprise. Not a big deal to me, but today more out of > curiosity than anything else I tore into it. > > Found the motor unplugged. Hmm. > > Plugged it in, tried to operate it. It tried to move, but wouldn’t go full > travel or close completely. Found some plastic pieces in the tracks, not > good. When it did move it was crooked in the opening, which also wasn’t good. > > Used the manual crank on the motor to get everything back in place and then > went inside to do some research. > > Seems that the Webasto sunroof on these is a one-piece setup, much of which > is plastic (grr.) The plastic wears and is subject to lots of heat in the > roof, so it ages and gets brittle and breaks up. Only fix - $900 part that > requires removal of the headliner to replace. Bummer. > > However, I was planning on replacing the headliner, and my upholstery guy is > right up the street from the stealership and does a lot of work for them. I > may see if I can coordinate something between the two so he can take the > headliner out, run the car down to the dealer where they can replace the > mechanism and get things working, then take it back so upholstery guy can > finish the work. > > While it would still be expensive, probably over $1,000 at the dealer alone, > it would end up being a lot cheaper as I wouldn’t have to pay them to R&R the > headliner. > > I gotta think about this. > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sunroof Sucks
The ML550 sunroof has been non-functional since I bought it. I knew this at the time, so no surprise. Not a big deal to me, but today more out of curiosity than anything else I tore into it. Found the motor unplugged. Hmm. Plugged it in, tried to operate it. It tried to move, but wouldn’t go full travel or close completely. Found some plastic pieces in the tracks, not good. When it did move it was crooked in the opening, which also wasn’t good. Used the manual crank on the motor to get everything back in place and then went inside to do some research. Seems that the Webasto sunroof on these is a one-piece setup, much of which is plastic (grr.) The plastic wears and is subject to lots of heat in the roof, so it ages and gets brittle and breaks up. Only fix - $900 part that requires removal of the headliner to replace. Bummer. However, I was planning on replacing the headliner, and my upholstery guy is right up the street from the stealership and does a lot of work for them. I may see if I can coordinate something between the two so he can take the headliner out, run the car down to the dealer where they can replace the mechanism and get things working, then take it back so upholstery guy can finish the work. While it would still be expensive, probably over $1,000 at the dealer alone, it would end up being a lot cheaper as I wouldn’t have to pay them to R&R the headliner. I gotta think about this. -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
