Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
On Wed, 24 May 2006 09:50:17 -0400 Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are other makers of the splined socket (like the suppliers to Performance Products and to Sir Tools) besides Hazet. I'm pretty sure Hazet makes the one that Mercedes sells. And the ones Sir Tools sells are junk. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
On Mon, 22 May 2006, Marshall Booth wrote: I believe that OM61x injection pumps changed to using splined delivery valves in the early '80s but I don't have a specific date. I know that the '84 and '85s I've owned or seen used splined pipe fitting. I don't recall if my '82 did. All of my OM60x pumps (from early '84 on) require the splined wrench. I believe the splined wrench I have is a Hazet. I haven't tried any others. I think hazet is the only maker of that socket I had an 84 126.120 that was hex, and have an 85 123.133 that is hex. How can you tell if a car is Cali Spec? (I'm wondering if that might be the difference?) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
John W. Reames III wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006, Marshall Booth wrote: I believe that OM61x injection pumps changed to using splined delivery valves in the early '80s but I don't have a specific date. I know that the '84 and '85s I've owned or seen used splined pipe fitting. I don't recall if my '82 did. All of my OM60x pumps (from early '84 on) require the splined wrench. I believe the splined wrench I have is a Hazet. I haven't tried any others. I think hazet is the only maker of that socket I had an 84 126.120 that was hex, and have an 85 123.133 that is hex. How can you tell if a car is Cali Spec? (I'm wondering if that might be the difference?) Must be that Bosch was supplying both types at the same time (all of my '84 and later cars 123, 124 201 had splined delivery valve holders). There are several issues like that (there was a two year period where some driveshafts were indexed, some were not and some had the index marked, but the driveshafts weren't balanced using the marks). It's not as though it's hard to tell. Just LOOK at the delivery valve pipe fittings!! There are other makers of the splined socket (like the suppliers to Performance Products and to Sir Tools) besides Hazet. I'm pretty sure Hazet makes the one that Mercedes sells. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
Rusty's got em and his work just fine At 08:50 AM 5/24/2006, you wrote: John W. Reames III wrote: On Mon, 22 May 2006, Marshall Booth wrote: I believe that OM61x injection pumps changed to using splined delivery valves in the early '80s but I don't have a specific date. I know that the '84 and '85s I've owned or seen used splined pipe fitting. I don't recall if my '82 did. All of my OM60x pumps (from early '84 on) require the splined wrench. I believe the splined wrench I have is a Hazet. I haven't tried any others. I think hazet is the only maker of that socket I had an 84 126.120 that was hex, and have an 85 123.133 that is hex. How can you tell if a car is Cali Spec? (I'm wondering if that might be the difference?) Must be that Bosch was supplying both types at the same time (all of my '84 and later cars 123, 124 201 had splined delivery valve holders). There are several issues like that (there was a two year period where some driveshafts were indexed, some were not and some had the index marked, but the driveshafts weren't balanced using the marks). It's not as though it's hard to tell. Just LOOK at the delivery valve pipe fittings!! There are other makers of the splined socket (like the suppliers to Performance Products and to Sir Tools) besides Hazet. I'm pretty sure Hazet makes the one that Mercedes sells. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
Craig McCluskey wrote: On Thu, 18 May 2006 05:26:43 -0400 (EDT) John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Bob DuPuy wrote: Geez guys catch your breath, Bruce was asking about an 82 300CD. last time I check they came with the 5 cyl 617 engine! I remember a copper seal but not an O-ring on those. I wish I was an EPC Guru and could check for sure. OOOPS. Sorry. The 61x's use an ordinary socket (as opposed to the 33 tooth spline don't mess with this fitting). Not all of them. My '84 Euro 617.912 uses the splines. Note: I had to modify the Sir Tools spline socket to get it to work right; Sir Tools tools are junk. I believe that OM61x injection pumps changed to using splined delivery valves in the early '80s but I don't have a specific date. I know that the '84 and '85s I've owned or seen used splined pipe fitting. I don't recall if my '82 did. All of my OM60x pumps (from early '84 on) require the splined wrench. I believe the splined wrench I have is a Hazet. I haven't tried any others. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Loren Faeth wrote: 7x 603 078 01 41 (Injection pipe clips) 7x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe shims--trim them on one side) 2x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe clips) 1x 606 141 01 80 (Intake manifold gasket) 6x 017 997 41 48 (Bosch 1-460-210-321 O-ring, you may want spares) 6x 004 997 45 40 (Bosch 1-410-105-021 Copper seal washer) This was for a 606, but the orings and seals are the same on 601,2,3 The gasket is NOT the same on a 603; the 606 is a 4V/cyl and has 12 ports. It is probably MUCH less of a PITA to do on a 603 than a 606- you may not have to remove the manifold to get at the valves-- the 606 has them under the manifold -j.
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
You are right, The clips and gasket have no bearing. I copied the whole list from John's earlier post when he did his 606. The 82 617 should have the newer style pump, because my 81 240D does. (not vacuum governor) I am not sure if the delivery valves are hex or serrated. Either way, the o-ring and copper seal number should be the same. I believe they are the same back to the OM 621 engine at least, and that is 1960 or so. The mechanical governor pumps are all essentially the same in the delivery valve area. Loren first OM 621 in 1971 At 06:42 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: Geez guys catch your breath, Bruce was asking about an 82 300CD. last time I check they came with the 5 cyl 617 engine! I remember a copper seal but not an O-ring on those. I wish I was an EPC Guru and could check for sure. Bob DuPuy On 5/17/06, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Loren Faeth wrote: 7x 603 078 01 41 (Injection pipe clips) 7x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe shims--trim them on one side) 2x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe clips) 1x 606 141 01 80 (Intake manifold gasket) 6x 017 997 41 48 (Bosch 1-460-210-321 O-ring, you may want spares) 6x 004 997 45 40 (Bosch 1-410-105-021 Copper seal washer) This was for a 606, but the orings and seals are the same on 601,2,3 The gasket is NOT the same on a 603; the 606 is a 4V/cyl and has 12 ports. It is probably MUCH less of a PITA to do on a 603 than a 606- you may not have to remove the manifold to get at the valves-- the 606 has them under the manifold -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
You're quite right, Bob - this list can be a real hoot. If you go deep enough into Bruce's pump to find an o-ring the pump's prolly due for a trip to the test stand for recalibration. The copper seal for that pump is 005 997 45 48 and the proper torque is *40-50 Nm on the pipe connection in one step*, unless there's been a tsb radically revising that procedure to something approximating what's appropriate for an OM603 pump for which btw the appropriate final torque is something more like 27 ft-lb than 30 (at least I think that's right, but I'm miles from home and without my trusty tdm). But then what's a margin of error of 10% more or less, between friends... ;( joe (shaking head)
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
On Wed, 17 May 2006, Bob DuPuy wrote: Geez guys catch your breath, Bruce was asking about an 82 300CD. last time I check they came with the 5 cyl 617 engine! I remember a copper seal but not an O-ring on those. I wish I was an EPC Guru and could check for sure. OOOPS. Sorry. The 61x's use an ordinary socket (as opposed to the 33 tooth spline don't mess with this fitting). IIRC it is 15mm, and 40-50Nm in one step, copper crush ring only, no o-ring. Go check out http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Engine/617/07_1-210.pdf for the full skinny. I don't have the part number handy, but Rusty will probably know them off the top of his head :) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
On Thu, 18 May 2006 05:26:43 -0400 (EDT) John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Bob DuPuy wrote: Geez guys catch your breath, Bruce was asking about an 82 300CD. last time I check they came with the 5 cyl 617 engine! I remember a copper seal but not an O-ring on those. I wish I was an EPC Guru and could check for sure. OOOPS. Sorry. The 61x's use an ordinary socket (as opposed to the 33 tooth spline don't mess with this fitting). Not all of them. My '84 Euro 617.912 uses the splines. Note: I had to modify the Sir Tools spline socket to get it to work right; Sir Tools tools are junk. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
Peter Frederick wrote: 25 ft/lbs twice, then 30 ft/lbs. Leaks, however, are bad o-rings that need to be replaced. Get new internal copper seals and do that at the same time. Peter What Peter said! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
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Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
7x 603 078 01 41 (Injection pipe clips) 7x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe shims--trim them on one side) 2x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe clips) 1x 606 141 01 80 (Intake manifold gasket) 6x 017 997 41 48 (Bosch 1-460-210-321 O-ring, you may want spares) 6x 004 997 45 40 (Bosch 1-410-105-021 Copper seal washer) This was for a 606, but the orings and seals are the same on 601,2,3 At 02:20 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: Many thanks Peter. Do you have a part number or source for the copper seals? Thanks, Bruce Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 25 ft/lbs twice, then 30 ft/lbs. Leaks, however, are bad o-rings that need to be replaced. Get new internal copper seals and do that at the same time. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' 73 220D 'It' - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Torque for delivery valve holder
25 ft/lbs twice, then 30 ft/lbs. Leaks, however, are bad o-rings that need to be replaced. Get new internal copper seals and do that at the same time. Peter
