Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph. Wear due to lack of lubrication is probably not linear. Of course you can! Might not have a working transmission when you are done. Yeah, that's what I'd think. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
After consulting the oracles here, a few other off-list sources with impeccable credentials, as well as considering other critical factors (tow vehicle, weather, wind, road condtion) it was decided to tow backwards. It towed beautifully with nary a wiggle as the speed was kept between 45-50. CHeers, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Glad to hear! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: After consulting the oracles here, a few other off-list sources with impeccable credentials, as well as considering other critical factors (tow vehicle, weather, wind, road condtion) it was decided to tow backwards. It towed beautifully with nary a wiggle as the speed was kept between 45-50. CHeers, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was a discussion about this several years ago. Some versions of automatic transmissions have rear pumps and some don't. The transmission numbers must be checked rather than the model/type of car according to that discussion. Gerry From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I thought these were cars that could be towed with the rear wheels on the ground without harming the AT - assuming it is an AT. Randy I was thinking the same thing. I thought MB auto trans ffrom 1959 until 198? all had rear pumps and could be towed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5754 - Release Date: 04/18/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
Hmmmy owners manual is in German. On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote: It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I thought these were cars that could be towed with the rear wheels on the ground without harming the AT - assuming it is an AT. Randy I was thinking the same thing. I thought MB auto trans ffrom 1959 until 198? all had rear pumps and could be towed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
When I used a tow dolly to bring my 84 300D from Chicago to Whitehall, MI (couple hundred miles) I could not go faster than 50 MPH without the car starting to whip back and forth. Be careful and take it easy! Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Apr 18, 2013, at 07:32 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Concur. Towing backwards doesn't work too well as the steering geometry may cause the steering wheels to oscillate side-to-side. That may eventually whip the Mercedes around so much that your tow vehicle will lose control. Going very slow may eliminate that. Not applicable on an MB, so long as you remove the key, so the steering locks. While front end first is desirable, rear first is ok, with the conditions i outlined. Roads with little traffic /few stops are preferred. There was a thread on one of the forums documenting a rollover of the tow vehicle (smallish SUV) that tried to tow a 123 sedan backwards too fast. The loss of control happened too quickly for the driver to react, and he became a passenger. As I said, Ideally, the tow vehicle should weigh at least twice what the towed vehicle weighs. With caution, what John proposes can be done. Slow and careful. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
Google translate is your friend... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Hmmmy owners manual is in German. On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote: It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote: It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in Neutral. It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much further than to a local garage. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote: It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in Neutral. It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much further than to a local garage. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No doubt you can but I doubt that you should. Probably need an F350 or so in order to reasonably safely pull a car at that sort of speed. Randy On 19/04/2013 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote: It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in Neutral. It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much further than to a local garage. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
What? I pulled my '84 190D 70-80 miles at 60-65mph with my Ranger on a tow dolly no problem. I disconnected the drive shaft and tied it out of the way first. Years ago I towed my '85 190D 200 miles on a tow dolly at 65-80mph with my Dakota with no problem. That was a manual trans so I just put it in neutral. I also towed a 4400# farm tractor 300 miles at 55mph with that same '96 Dakota although the tractor was on a flatbed. -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Towing question??? Message-ID: 5171b20e.3050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No doubt you can but I doubt that you should. Probably need an F350 or so in order to reasonably safely pull a car at that sort of speed. Randy On 19/04/2013 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote: It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in Neutral. It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much further than to a local garage. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you don't have trailer brakes you are in for a world of hurt if you have to stop quickly in the rain. Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: What? I pulled my '84 190D 70-80 miles at 60-65mph with my Ranger on a tow dolly no problem. I disconnected the drive shaft and tied it out of the way first. Years ago I towed my '85 190D 200 miles on a tow dolly at 65-80mph with my Dakota with no problem. That was a manual trans so I just put it in neutral. I also towed a 4400# farm tractor 300 miles at 55mph with that same '96 Dakota although the tractor was on a flatbed. -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:07:26 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Towing question??? Message-ID: 5171b20e.3050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed No doubt you can but I doubt that you should. Probably need an F350 or so in order to reasonably safely pull a car at that sort of speed. Randy On 19/04/2013 2:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 18/04/2013 7:39 PM, Max Dillon wrote: It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. The manual for my 76 300D says it can be towed for up to 75 miles at no faster than 30MPH with the rear wheels on the ground and the shifter in Neutral. It also recommends removal of the drive shaft if it is to be moved much further than to a local garage. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew sez: I wonder if you can tow it for 30 miles at 75 mph. Of course you can! Might not have a working transmission when you are done. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Towing question???
I have to move a '68 250S about 55 miles tomorrow, and my usual trailer is unavailable. Is it OK to tow backwards with a dolly (rear wheels on dolly)? The steering column locks. Thanks, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Air pressure in front tires low (20-25psi) and go slow. 55. I towed a 110 hundreds of miles with a 111. Towed 123s similar distances with gCaravan. Best if your tow vehicle is twice as heavy as the towed vehicle. GO slow and allow lots of stopping distance clearance. Never jam on the brakes. Easy does it. I have to move a '68 250S about 55 miles tomorrow, and my usual trailer is unavailable. Is it OK to tow backwards with a dolly (rear wheels on dolly)? The steering column locks. Thanks, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks. On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Air pressure in front tires low (20-25psi) and go slow. 55. I towed a 110 hundreds of miles with a 111. Towed 123s similar distances with gCaravan. Best if your tow vehicle is twice as heavy as the towed vehicle. GO slow and allow lots of stopping distance clearance. Never jam on the brakes. Easy does it. I have to move a '68 250S about 55 miles tomorrow, and my usual trailer is unavailable. Is it OK to tow backwards with a dolly (rear wheels on dolly)? The steering column locks. Thanks, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
No. The heavy end of the car MUST be on the tow dolly. Remove the drive shaft, and put the front end on the dolly. Rick Knoble Sent from My Samsung tabletJon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:I have to move a '68 250S about 55 miles tomorrow, and my usual trailer is unavailable. Is it OK to tow backwards with a dolly (rear wheels on dolly)? The steering column locks. Thanks, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 18/04/2013 2:41 PM, rickknoble wrote: No. The heavy end of the car MUST be on the tow dolly. Remove the drive shaft, and put the front end on the dolly. Rick Knoble Sent from My Samsung tabletJon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:I have to move a '68 250S about 55 miles tomorrow, and my usual trailer is unavailable. Is it OK to tow backwards with a dolly (rear wheels on dolly)? The steering column locks. Thanks, Jon I thought these were cars that could be towed with the rear wheels on the ground without harming the AT - assuming it is an AT. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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rickknoble wrote: No. The heavy end of the car MUST be on the tow dolly. Remove the drive shaft, and put the front end on the dolly. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/general-information/225168-towing-disaster.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
Concur. Towing backwards doesn't work too well as the steering geometry may cause the steering wheels to oscillate side-to-side. That may eventually whip the Mercedes around so much that your tow vehicle will lose control. Going very slow may eliminate that. There was a thread on one of the forums documenting a rollover of the tow vehicle (smallish SUV) that tried to tow a 123 sedan backwards too fast. The loss of control happened too quickly for the driver to react, and he became a passenger. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 rickknoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: No. The heavy end of the car MUST be on the tow dolly. Remove the drive shaft, and put the front end on the dolly. Rick Knoble Sent from My Samsung tabletJon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:I have to move a '68 250S about 55 miles tomorrow, and my usual trailer is unavailable. Is it OK to tow backwards with a dolly (rear wheels on dolly)? The steering column locks. Thanks, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
Take some planks/blocks along. The tow dolly ramps may be too steep to climb backwards. you can lessen the incline with the planks. Because the front tires are closer to the bumper, they go right up the ramps. The distance to the bumper from the rear tires causes the bumper to hang up on the ramps and a lot of MBs (and other cars). If you don't have planks, take bricks or blocks. Anything to get the rear tires higher than ground level before it starts up the ramps. Even a floor jack under the diff, if you can back the dolly under the tires or are on concrete where you can roll the jack and the car back together onto the ramps. Thanks. On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Air pressure in front tires low (20-25psi) and go slow. 55. I towed a 110 hundreds of miles with a 111. Towed 123s similar distances with gCaravan. Best if your tow vehicle is twice as heavy as the towed vehicle. GO slow and allow lots of stopping distance clearance. Never jam on the brakes. Easy does it. I have to move a '68 250S about 55 miles tomorrow, and my usual trailer is unavailable. Is it OK to tow backwards with a dolly (rear wheels on dolly)? The steering column locks. Thanks, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing question???
Concur. Towing backwards doesn't work too well as the steering geometry may cause the steering wheels to oscillate side-to-side. That may eventually whip the Mercedes around so much that your tow vehicle will lose control. Going very slow may eliminate that. Not applicable on an MB, so long as you remove the key, so the steering locks. While front end first is desirable, rear first is ok, with the conditions i outlined. Roads with little traffic /few stops are preferred. There was a thread on one of the forums documenting a rollover of the tow vehicle (smallish SUV) that tried to tow a 123 sedan backwards too fast. The loss of control happened too quickly for the driver to react, and he became a passenger. As I said, Ideally, the tow vehicle should weigh at least twice what the towed vehicle weighs. With caution, what John proposes can be done. Slow and careful. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I towed my '84 190D home I didn't even remove the driveshaft. I split it at the flex disk, slid the driveshaft and flex disk forward and tied them out of the way. IIRC there was a handy crossmember or something there. Worked good for the 60 or so miles I went. -Curt Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:41:54 -0500 From: rickknoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Towing question??? Message-ID: col401-eas203d149ea17680c9aa0c7f9dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No. The heavy end of the car MUST be on the tow dolly. Remove the drive shaft, and put the front end on the dolly. Rick Knoble Sent from My Samsung tabletJon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:I have to move a '68 250S about 55 miles tomorrow, and my usual trailer is unavailable.? Is it OK to tow backwards with a dolly (rear wheels on dolly)?? The steering column locks. Thanks, Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought these were cars that could be towed with the rear wheels on the ground without harming the AT - assuming it is an AT. Randy I was thinking the same thing. I thought MB auto trans ffrom 1959 until 198? all had rear pumps and could be towed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It will say that (if you can tow with rear wheels on ground) in the owners manual, along with limits for speed and distance. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I thought these were cars that could be towed with the rear wheels on the ground without harming the AT - assuming it is an AT. Randy I was thinking the same thing. I thought MB auto trans ffrom 1959 until 198? all had rear pumps and could be towed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC, it's OK to tow up to something like 50 miles at up to 35 mph --- On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I thought these were cars that could be towed with the rear wheels on the ground without harming the AT - assuming it is an AT. Randy -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC, it's OK to tow up to something like 50 miles at up to 35 mph --- Let the towed car idle, and go like a bat out of hell. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK, then just drive it instead of towing it! On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: IIRC, it's OK to tow up to something like 50 miles at up to 35 mph --- Let the towed car idle, and go like a bat out of hell. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing Question
The MB tranny has a rear pump so that it can be started by getting it up to around 35 m/h, drop it in drive and the engine will turn over and crank if the fuel and ignition are OK. This is explained in the Owners Manual. If you tow with rear wheels down the rear pump will try to engage the clutch packs and burn the friction plates. I have worked on MBs for many a years and up to around 1985 I know of NO MB torque converters that LOCK UP. At 'cruise' speed the TC is turning so fast you will not know that it is slipping some. If you need to tow raise the rear wheels and let the front ones do the rolling. I had to do this last week when the wife called and said the 300D 'died'. Had it towed, rear wheels up about 60 miles to get it home. DWS Mitch Haley wrote: P. D. Ferguson wrote: There have been a few recent posts suggesting that towing with the MB transmissions may cause them to overheat. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the MB transmissions lock up when in fourth gear such that the torque converter is no longer involved in the transfer of power as it is it the first three gears. The old fluid couplers locked up at a certain speed IIRC. (I'm thinking fintail era here) The torque converters did not lock, at least not in any MBZ that's old enough for me to want to own it. Fourth gear is 1:1, so there should be virtually no heat generated outside of the torque converter. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Towing Question
recall reading somewhere that the MB transmissions lock up when in fourth gear such that the torque converter is no longer involved in the transfer Not to my knowledge, in any of the vintages we usually talk about here. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Towing Question
Darrell W. Sigmon wrote: The MB tranny has a rear pump so that it can be started by getting it up to around 35 m/h, drop it in drive and the engine will turn over and crank if the fuel and ignition are OK. This is explained in the Owners Manual. If you tow with rear wheels down the rear pump will try to engage the clutch packs and burn the friction plates. Good advice, but I think he meant towing a trailer with the car, not towing the car. I've always felt like an additional oil-to-air transmission cooler is a good idea on *any* car, when towing a trailer. I don't know if it's strictly necessary on a Mercedes, though.
[MBZ] Towing Question
There have been a few recent posts suggesting that towing with the MB transmissions may cause them to overheat. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the MB transmissions lock up when in fourth gear such that the torque converter is no longer involved in the transfer of power as it is it the first three gears. If that is the case(and I may be wrong in my understanding), what is the source of the extra heat generation when towing in fourth gear--wouldn't it be about the same as a manual transmission? In any event, I towed my dual sport motorcycle(about 500 lbs) and trailer(another 500 or so lbs) 3000 miles in August across the plains, sometimes in 95 degree temps, with no apparent issues other than the engine coolant getting up to the 105-110 mark a couple of times on long hills. The M1 in the transmission remains clear and unburnt. The boost was at around 10 psi most of the way and mileage dropped to 19-20 at 70 mph. All in all a great Italian tune up. Peter Ferguson 1983 300TD
Re: [MBZ] Towing Question
P. D. Ferguson wrote: There have been a few recent posts suggesting that towing with the MB transmissions may cause them to overheat. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the MB transmissions lock up when in fourth gear such that the torque converter is no longer involved in the transfer of power as it is it the first three gears. The old fluid couplers locked up at a certain speed IIRC. (I'm thinking fintail era here) The torque converters did not lock, at least not in any MBZ that's old enough for me to want to own it. Fourth gear is 1:1, so there should be virtually no heat generated outside of the torque converter.
