Re: [MBZ] plate readers
I think the emphasis should be on people who run red lights, because that is intrinsically dangerous and quite often deadly. Plenty of speeding cars never crash but running a red light is scary as hell. On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 9:31 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > I don't understand the point that you can get caught breaking the law > (speeding), but they can't do anything about it. Just seems wrong. > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 7:57 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > The basic principle is that anything happening in public (I.e., not your > > home/property that is not visible) is fair game for observation, > monitoring > > , or whatever, unless there is a law to stop it. In SC speed cameras are > > not allowed to be used to issue speeding tickets, but I can use a radar > gun > > to measure speeds of cars. First amendment rights allow me to do that as > > well as take photos etc. > > > > Intercepting cell phone conversations requires a warrant I believe. > > > > --FT > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plate readers
I don't understand the point that you can get caught breaking the law (speeding), but they can't do anything about it. Just seems wrong. On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 7:57 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The basic principle is that anything happening in public (I.e., not your > home/property that is not visible) is fair game for observation, monitoring > , or whatever, unless there is a law to stop it. In SC speed cameras are > not allowed to be used to issue speeding tickets, but I can use a radar gun > to measure speeds of cars. First amendment rights allow me to do that as > well as take photos etc. > > Intercepting cell phone conversations requires a warrant I believe. > > --FT > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plate readers
The basic principle is that anything happening in public (I.e., not your home/property that is not visible) is fair game for observation, monitoring , or whatever, unless there is a law to stop it. In SC speed cameras are not allowed to be used to issue speeding tickets, but I can use a radar gun to measure speeds of cars. First amendment rights allow me to do that as well as take photos etc. Intercepting cell phone conversations requires a warrant I believe. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Mar 21, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yea thats right, at least the ones the Sheriffs dept is installing were > free. I assumed it was some sort of SaaS model trying to get them hooked on > it. I really hate to say it but now days police seem to have very few > skills anymore as far as protecting and serving. They rely on technology > like this to do their job and appear to be unable to solve crimes without > somebody ratting somebody else out. Not to mention the ones who have no > business in this line of work who are rude at the least, to shooting and > killing people at the most. > >> On 3/21/2022 6:28 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Plate readers have been around for some time. There’s a serious question >> about the legality of their use, with a lot of jurisdictions avoiding this >> by purchasing the data as a service and not buying the readers outright >> themselves. >> >> This is right up there with cell site simulators, a.k.a. “dirtboxes” or >> Stingray devices (Harris, Corp.) as they’re known in LE circles. >> >> I agree with the, “If you’re not doing anything wrong you shouldn’t worry >> about it”, but what worries me is the potential for misuse of the data and >> what controls (if any) are in place to protect it? With plate readers the >> jurisdictions that have been litigated against have arranged for data to be >> deleted after a fixed time, but that’s really not a resolution. I see where >> the deal in Tulsa is that data will be deleted after 30 days. I also note >> that the cameras are being installed for “free” by the vendor. In other >> words, they’ll get the local law enforcement worked up to want these >> permanently, then they’re locked in to this vendor. >> >> It’s much like the traffic camera scam - “We'll do this for you, handle all >> the backend work, and mail you a check for your 40% of what we take in every >> month.” >> >> -D >> On Mar 21, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Watching the local news, I see TPD is talking about these new plate readers >>> they are installing around town that sends an alert to the cops about >>> various things. Talked about placing them in the high crime areas aka the >>> ghetto. The other day saw the sheriffs dept was installing some too. >>> Without getting into a political discussion, I am not sure I really like >>> this idea at all. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plate readers
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin Of course, it doesn't mean what is looks like: https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plate readers
Yea thats right, at least the ones the Sheriffs dept is installing were free. I assumed it was some sort of SaaS model trying to get them hooked on it. I really hate to say it but now days police seem to have very few skills anymore as far as protecting and serving. They rely on technology like this to do their job and appear to be unable to solve crimes without somebody ratting somebody else out. Not to mention the ones who have no business in this line of work who are rude at the least, to shooting and killing people at the most. On 3/21/2022 6:28 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Plate readers have been around for some time. There’s a serious question about the legality of their use, with a lot of jurisdictions avoiding this by purchasing the data as a service and not buying the readers outright themselves. This is right up there with cell site simulators, a.k.a. “dirtboxes” or Stingray devices (Harris, Corp.) as they’re known in LE circles. I agree with the, “If you’re not doing anything wrong you shouldn’t worry about it”, but what worries me is the potential for misuse of the data and what controls (if any) are in place to protect it? With plate readers the jurisdictions that have been litigated against have arranged for data to be deleted after a fixed time, but that’s really not a resolution. I see where the deal in Tulsa is that data will be deleted after 30 days. I also note that the cameras are being installed for “free” by the vendor. In other words, they’ll get the local law enforcement worked up to want these permanently, then they’re locked in to this vendor. It’s much like the traffic camera scam - “We'll do this for you, handle all the backend work, and mail you a check for your 40% of what we take in every month.” -D On Mar 21, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Watching the local news, I see TPD is talking about these new plate readers they are installing around town that sends an alert to the cops about various things. Talked about placing them in the high crime areas aka the ghetto. The other day saw the sheriffs dept was installing some too. Without getting into a political discussion, I am not sure I really like this idea at all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plate readers
Plate readers have been around for some time. There’s a serious question about the legality of their use, with a lot of jurisdictions avoiding this by purchasing the data as a service and not buying the readers outright themselves. This is right up there with cell site simulators, a.k.a. “dirtboxes” or Stingray devices (Harris, Corp.) as they’re known in LE circles. I agree with the, “If you’re not doing anything wrong you shouldn’t worry about it”, but what worries me is the potential for misuse of the data and what controls (if any) are in place to protect it? With plate readers the jurisdictions that have been litigated against have arranged for data to be deleted after a fixed time, but that’s really not a resolution. I see where the deal in Tulsa is that data will be deleted after 30 days. I also note that the cameras are being installed for “free” by the vendor. In other words, they’ll get the local law enforcement worked up to want these permanently, then they’re locked in to this vendor. It’s much like the traffic camera scam - “We'll do this for you, handle all the backend work, and mail you a check for your 40% of what we take in every month.” -D > On Mar 21, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Watching the local news, I see TPD is talking about these new plate readers > they are installing around town that sends an alert to the cops about various > things. Talked about placing them in the high crime areas aka the ghetto. > The other day saw the sheriffs dept was installing some too. Without getting > into a political discussion, I am not sure I really like this idea at all. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plate readers
And…..have surveillance cameras reduced crime? Or…have the criminals developed ways around them? And…unenforceable laws that take away the freedoms of people who obey the law. (Well most of them. I travel over the speed limit most of time.) Michael E. Esh > On Mar 21, 2022, at 7:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > People will say if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to > worry about. While that is true, would those same people be OK with > installing cameras being installed in their house to make sure they are safe? > We continue to let them invade our privacy or take away freedoms little by > little. If you look back 20 or 30 years, it is amazing how far it has gone. > >> On 3/21/2022 6:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >> It's called a surveillance state and we are living in one. It's not >> political. I don't like it either. >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: March 21, 2022 6:05 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net >> Subject: [MBZ] plate readers >> >> Watching the local news, I see TPD is talking about these new plate >> readers they are installing around town that sends an alert to the cops >> about various things. Talked about placing them in the high crime areas >> aka the ghetto. The other day saw the sheriffs dept was installing some >> too. Without getting into a political discussion, I am not sure I >> really like this idea at all. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plate readers
People will say if you are not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. While that is true, would those same people be OK with installing cameras being installed in their house to make sure they are safe? We continue to let them invade our privacy or take away freedoms little by little. If you look back 20 or 30 years, it is amazing how far it has gone. On 3/21/2022 6:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: It's called a surveillance state and we are living in one. It's not political. I don't like it either. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: March 21, 2022 6:05 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] plate readers Watching the local news, I see TPD is talking about these new plate readers they are installing around town that sends an alert to the cops about various things. Talked about placing them in the high crime areas aka the ghetto. The other day saw the sheriffs dept was installing some too. Without getting into a political discussion, I am not sure I really like this idea at all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] plate readers
It's called a surveillance state and we are living in one. It's not political. I don't like it either. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: March 21, 2022 6:05 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] plate readers Watching the local news, I see TPD is talking about these new plate readers they are installing around town that sends an alert to the cops about various things. Talked about placing them in the high crime areas aka the ghetto. The other day saw the sheriffs dept was installing some too. Without getting into a political discussion, I am not sure I really like this idea at all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] plate readers
Watching the local news, I see TPD is talking about these new plate readers they are installing around town that sends an alert to the cops about various things. Talked about placing them in the high crime areas aka the ghetto. The other day saw the sheriffs dept was installing some too. Without getting into a political discussion, I am not sure I really like this idea at all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
