Re: [MBZ] '03 ML500

2023-02-27 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
yeah I wondered about that too.  They might have hacked into the head 
unit somehow, I vaguely recall seeing something about that.


-_FT

On 2/27/23 2:57 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Any lights, like BAS or ABS. Unlikely it has any, looks pretty clean. Wondering 
what they’ve done to get BlueTooth integration, but that’s not a bad thing, 
just curious because they say the NAV is still intact.

-D

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I just might go take a peek at it. What would be a deal breaker for this?

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Actually, being an ML500, which has extra goodies over the lower models, and 
having third row seats, tow package and pretty low miles, that’s a pretty nice 
deal.

Consider that I paid $6k for the 2003 ML350 you checked out for me. This is 
much nicer.

-D

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Maybe not too high for what it is? Maybe it is?

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Re: [MBZ] '03 ML500

2023-02-27 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Any lights, like BAS or ABS. Unlikely it has any, looks pretty clean. Wondering 
what they’ve done to get BlueTooth integration, but that’s not a bad thing, 
just curious because they say the NAV is still intact.

-D

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I just might go take a peek at it. What would be a deal breaker for this?

AZBob

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Actually, being an ML500, which has extra goodies over the lower models, and 
having third row seats, tow package and pretty low miles, that’s a pretty nice 
deal.

Consider that I paid $6k for the 2003 ML350 you checked out for me. This is 
much nicer.

-D

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Maybe not too high for what it is? Maybe it is?

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Re: [MBZ] '03 ML500

2023-02-27 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 

Always oil changed with syntactic oil

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I just might go take a peek at it. What would be a deal breaker for this?

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Actually, being an ML500, which has extra goodies over the lower 
models, and having third row seats, tow package and pretty low miles, 
that’s a pretty nice deal.


Consider that I paid $6k for the 2003 ML350 you checked out for me. 
This is much nicer.


-D

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Maybe not too high for what it is? Maybe it is?

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Re: [MBZ] '03 ML500

2023-02-27 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 

The price.

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I just might go take a peek at it. What would be a deal breaker for this?

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Actually, being an ML500, which has extra goodies over the lower 
models, and having third row seats, tow package and pretty low miles, 
that’s a pretty nice deal.


Consider that I paid $6k for the 2003 ML350 you checked out for me. 
This is much nicer.


-D

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Maybe not too high for what it is? Maybe it is?

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Re: [MBZ] '03 ML500

2023-02-27 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 

Holy crack

On 2/27/2023 1:43 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Actually, being an ML500, which has extra goodies over the lower models, and 
having third row seats, tow package and pretty low miles, that’s a pretty nice 
deal.

Consider that I paid $6k for the 2003 ML350 you checked out for me. This is 
much nicer.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] '03 ML500

2023-02-27 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] '03 ML500

2023-02-27 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Actually, being an ML500, which has extra goodies over the lower models, and 
having third row seats, tow package and pretty low miles, that’s a pretty nice 
deal.

Consider that I paid $6k for the 2003 ML350 you checked out for me. This is 
much nicer.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
Exactly correct.  I go up/down my driveway (which is somewhat bumpy with 
various tree roots in the tracks, if I was staying here I would get a 
coupla loads of gravel) in the 211 wagon and it is your typical MB sedan 
ride, absorbs the bumps with no drama. The E500 with air ride, which is 
now working, is stiffer than the wagon even on the "comfort" setting and 
you can feel the bumps but it does not bounce or pound.  The ML is 
rough, it hits and bounces on every one and is not particularly 
pleasant.  It does not take road bumps well either.  But it will tow a 
good load, and haul a fair amount of impedimenta, and will get through a 
lot of unpleasant stuff if you need to.


--FT

On 12/24/21 11:51 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I’m not sure I would say they’re “fun” to drive, but if you’re looking for a 
truck-like ride they fit the bill. They’re heavy and ride harshly, just as you 
would expect a 4WD truck on a frame to be.

I like them, but as a truck or SUV. I don’t think I would want to make any long 
trips in one, but the seating and appointments are good. You’re going to feel 
every bump in the road for sure.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
No not really, they are a "truck" and as such ride and handle like one 
with a stiff suspension and a higher ground clearance. But if you want 
to tow stuff, and have the AWD that can get you through some significant 
stuff, they are a good choice. Fun would be in off-roading, they are 
quite capable in that regard and can be lifted some too for bigger 
tires, a lot of guys are doing that.  Being higher they are easy to get 
in/out so that is a positive, and are quite roomy.  The 211 wagon can 
haul a good amount too and is much more refined but I wouldn't put a 
hitch on it to tow anything (maybe for a bike rack). The 4m can get you 
through a lot of stuff too but there is not a lot of ground clearance.


But for kinda all-around stuff, a real "SUV" not some poser soccer mommy 
ride, these are great in that regard.  I think MB did a really good job 
on the first-gen 163 for a good solid all-around SUV, the 164 is good 
too in the drive train (although the 722.9 is more concerning than the 
722.6) but has more nannies and seems to be more of a mall-crawler.  The 
163 is not bad to work on, mostly (aside from the stuff Dan has talked 
about as being a PITA) as there is a fair amount of room to get at most 
stuff.


--FT

On 12/24/21 11:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

So when all is said and done are they fun to drive?

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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The 500s are the worst, they’ll tear the mounts apart, especially the
passenger side mount. The mounts are very different from the typical
Mercedes motor mount, and when the metal separates from the rubber you’ll
get some serious metal to metal contact, hence the “clunk” when you
accelerate or put the car in gear. Here’s what thtey look like:


https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-engine-mount-1632400317-1632400318

When they fail, and they do with regularity, the metal piece with the stud
on top tears loose from the rubber part and the engine can really flail
around. The metal bits bang against each other as the engine moves around,
so they make some nasty noises when this occurs.

Like most Mercedes mounts, the passenger side isn’t bad, but the driver’s
side is a real pig. On both you have to access them from the wheel well,
pulling the liner out and heat shields. Not a fun job. Some say you have to
remove the AC compressor, but I’ve been able to do it without going that
far.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at them,
thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.

--FT

On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan penoff.com  via Mercedes
wrote:
Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel
at significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg.
Straight out highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the
owners don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and
the OE parts are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive
so people often forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration
you’ll often hear them knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I
haven’t built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I
expect a number of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain
a level of functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make.
This ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

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On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com  via
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a
couple of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the
exception of the engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher
level, but other than that I would focus on service history.

-D

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mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
I’m not sure I would say they’re “fun” to drive, but if you’re looking for a 
truck-like ride they fit the bill. They’re heavy and ride harshly, just as you 
would expect a 4WD truck on a frame to be.

I like them, but as a truck or SUV. I don’t think I would want to make any long 
trips in one, but the seating and appointments are good. You’re going to feel 
every bump in the road for sure.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So when all is said and done are they fun to drive?

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
The 500s are the worst, they’ll tear the mounts apart, especially the passenger 
side mount. The mounts are very different from the typical Mercedes motor 
mount, and when the metal separates from the rubber you’ll get some serious 
metal to metal contact, hence the “clunk” when you accelerate or put the car in 
gear. Here’s what thtey look like:

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-engine-mount-1632400317-1632400318

When they fail, and they do with regularity, the metal piece with the stud on 
top tears loose from the rubber part and the engine can really flail around. 
The metal bits bang against each other as the engine moves around, so they make 
some nasty noises when this occurs.

Like most Mercedes mounts, the passenger side isn’t bad, but the driver’s side 
is a real pig. On both you have to access them from the wheel well, pulling the 
liner out and heat shields. Not a fun job. Some say you have to remove the AC 
compressor, but I’ve been able to do it without going that far.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:

Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at them, 
thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.

--FT

On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedes wrote:
Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
  wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
  wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of 
MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
that I would focus on service history.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
  wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
So when all is said and done are they fun to drive?

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 500s are the worst, they’ll tear the mounts apart, especially the
> passenger side mount. The mounts are very different from the typical
> Mercedes motor mount, and when the metal separates from the rubber you’ll
> get some serious metal to metal contact, hence the “clunk” when you
> accelerate or put the car in gear. Here’s what thtey look like:
>
>
> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-engine-mount-1632400317-1632400318
>
> When they fail, and they do with regularity, the metal piece with the stud
> on top tears loose from the rubber part and the engine can really flail
> around. The metal bits bang against each other as the engine moves around,
> so they make some nasty noises when this occurs.
>
> Like most Mercedes mounts, the passenger side isn’t bad, but the driver’s
> side is a real pig. On both you have to access them from the wheel well,
> pulling the liner out and heat shields. Not a fun job. Some say you have to
> remove the AC compressor, but I’ve been able to do it without going that
> far.
>
> -D
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at them,
> thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wrote:
> Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel
> at significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg.
> Straight out highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.
>
> I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the
> owners don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and
> the OE parts are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive
> so people often forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration
> you’ll often hear them knock.
>
> The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I
> haven’t built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I
> expect a number of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain
> a level of functionality at that location so I can do the work.
>
> -D
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>
> I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.
>
> Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make.
> This ML could be an option for him if he asks.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:
>
> Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no
> lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a
> couple of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the
> exception of the engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher
> level, but other than that I would focus on service history.
>
> -D
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>
> Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
> So far away…..
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
The 500s are the worst, they’ll tear the mounts apart, especially the passenger 
side mount. The mounts are very different from the typical Mercedes motor 
mount, and when the metal separates from the rubber you’ll get some serious 
metal to metal contact, hence the “clunk” when you accelerate or put the car in 
gear. Here’s what thtey look like:

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-engine-mount-1632400317-1632400318

When they fail, and they do with regularity, the metal piece with the stud on 
top tears loose from the rubber part and the engine can really flail around. 
The metal bits bang against each other as the engine moves around, so they make 
some nasty noises when this occurs.

Like most Mercedes mounts, the passenger side isn’t bad, but the driver’s side 
is a real pig. On both you have to access them from the wheel well, pulling the 
liner out and heat shields. Not a fun job. Some say you have to remove the AC 
compressor, but I’ve been able to do it without going that far.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at them, 
thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.

--FT

On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of 
MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
that I would focus on service history.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
Those are cheap to replace if you need one, just plastic stuff and they 
are also quite brittle so easy to ding or break


--FT

On 12/24/21 11:23 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

It looks like he may have entered his parking garage a little aggressively 
because the front bumper looks a little wonky.

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 24, 2021, at 9:19 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of 
MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
that I would focus on service history.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at 
them, thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.


--FT

On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of 
MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
that I would focus on service history.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
It looks like he may have entered his parking garage a little aggressively 
because the front bumper looks a little wonky. 

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 9:19 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
> significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
> highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.
> 
> I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the 
> owners don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the 
> OE parts are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so 
> people often forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll 
> often hear them knock.
> 
> The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
> built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a 
> number of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
> functionality at that location so I can do the work.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.
>> 
>> Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. 
>> This ML could be an option for him if he asks. 
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
>>> lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a 
>>> couple of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the 
>>> exception of the engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher 
>>> level, but other than that I would focus on service history.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
 So far away…..
 
 AZBob
 
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.
> 
> Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. 
> This ML could be an option for him if he asks. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
>> lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple 
>> of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
>> engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
>> that I would focus on service history.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
>>> So far away…..
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
That looks pretty nice for the price, the miles are not "low" but it 
looks good and not in some rustbelt area so should be very clean.  
Nothing particularly exotic about these, be aware it's a "truck" and 
ride like one.  The 500 is quite powerful and can provide some fun in 
that regard, good tow vehicle, fuel economy is not too exciting but for 
what it is it does OK. Solid engine.  The AWD is very good if you do any 
snow or off-roading.  Having driven my 05ML500 now for a year and a half 
or so, I like it, good hauler, OK for road trips (a little noisy and 
somewhat tiring) but the 211 05E320 wagon is MUCH better, quieter and 
more refined in that regard.


Fly in and drive home, maybe beat on the seller a bit, but in this 
market that is a decent deal.


--FT

On 12/24/21 10:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no lights 
lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of MLs at 
this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the engine. 
ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than that I 
would focus on service history.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks. 

AZBob

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
> lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple 
> of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
> engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
> that I would focus on service history.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
>> So far away…..
>> 
>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

2021-12-24 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no lights 
lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of MLs at 
this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the engine. 
ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than that I 
would focus on service history.

-D

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
> So far away…..
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: robert.rent...@aps.com
>> Date: December 24, 2021 at 8:51:29 AM MST
>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
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>> 
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/los-angeles-mercedes-benz-ml500-low/7424142790.html
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Rentfro
>> Nuclear Operations Training Instructor
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>> Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072
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