Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-24 Thread OK Don
I finally got to work on the rear links today - thought I was going to do
both sides in one day. Ended up only getting two links on one side replaced.
I couldn't get the nut loose on the frame side of the torque rod - could
only round it off, then I couldn't get the ball joint end of the tie rod off
the wheel carrier. My ball joint press is too big to fit in there, and the
pickle fork is so long that I only had four inches to swing a hammer. I
tried the flame wrench on the torque link nut - it only made the rubber
smoke, no other effect. These two didn't seem to be all that bad, so I
boloted them back in place. I did find that I had to remove the brake disk
to bend the backing plate/dust shield enough to get the bolt holding the
wheel carrier end of the Torque strut out - I reversed the bolt when I put
that end back together - MUCH easier! The new bolts (which I used, even with
the old links) have triple-square sockets instead of hex heads - it would
have been next to imposible to tighten it in the original orientation.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote:

 I have found that you must put the torque link in before the thrust link
 (or if only replacing the torque link, remove the thrust link) because you
 need to rotate the wheel carrier a bit to get the bolt and sleeve in.

 I don't know when the new style links came out, but I suspect in 90 they
 were still the old style with a larger bolt.  New link are 210 part numbers,
 and you need a bolt kit with sleeve to fit the new smaller bolt to the old
 style wheel carrier as the bolts are smaller diameter.

 Check the tie rods and tie rod eccentric bolt bushing (that's the only part
 that usually wears, but the tie rod end can go bad too) and replace these at
 the same time.  Requires a full four wheel alignment if you do.

 I plan to replace the spring link bushings at the same time, rather
 pointless to replace all the links and have excessive noise and tire wear
 from the camber being loose even with new links.

 Might stick new spring pads in as well, after all, they are 20 years old
 with how many miles on them?

 Peter


 -Original Message-
 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 Sent: Apr 2, 2010 10:52 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement
 
 The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the
 wheel carrier.  It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took
 them off and took them to a good tire shop.  they pressed out the old
 and in the new.  I think the sequence you suggest is right.  I see
 Rusty has the links on sale again this month.  He always does that a
 couple weeks after I do the job.  It is a very good price!
 
 
 This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy rear links
 in
 the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just
 follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)?
 
 The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel carrier for
 each
 of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to
 pressing them back in?
 
 TIA -- OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-17 Thread LarryT

Hi Gang -
Have been following this thread as I'd like to restore my rear suspension 
one day.  It doesn't seem bad - I don't notice any specific problems but 
with nearly 180K Mi on it, it's just a matter of time.


Looking at Rustys site I found these parts:
W0133-1614000Subframe Bushing Kit
W0133-1629778Subframe Mounting Kit
W0133-1624039   Subframe Mount

The only things Rustys site is lacking IMHO is a Wish List and a number 
Req'd column.


Can some one tell me how many of the above parts I will need.  What else 
might I need (other than shocks)?  I've never done much suspension work 
except to the front of the 78 240D but I have lots of tools and am patient - 
what Special Tools will I need?


Thx!

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From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:56 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

I have found that you must put the torque link in before the thrust link 
(or if only replacing the torque link, remove the thrust link) because you 
need to rotate the wheel carrier a bit to get the bolt and sleeve in.


I don't know when the new style links came out, but I suspect in 90 they 
were still the old style with a larger bolt.  New link are 210 part 
numbers, and you need a bolt kit with sleeve to fit the new smaller bolt 
to the old style wheel carrier as the bolts are smaller diameter.


Check the tie rods and tie rod eccentric bolt bushing (that's the only 
part that usually wears, but the tie rod end can go bad too) and replace 
these at the same time.  Requires a full four wheel alignment if you do.


I plan to replace the spring link bushings at the same time, rather 
pointless to replace all the links and have excessive noise and tire wear 
from the camber being loose even with new links.


Might stick new spring pads in as well, after all, they are 20 years old 
with how many miles on them?


Peter


-Original Message-

From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 2, 2010 10:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the
wheel carrier.  It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took
them off and took them to a good tire shop.  they pressed out the old
and in the new.  I think the sequence you suggest is right.  I see
Rusty has the links on sale again this month.  He always does that a
couple weeks after I do the job.  It is a very good price!


This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy rear links 
in

the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just
follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)?

The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel carrier for 
each

of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to
pressing them back in?

TIA -- OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-17 Thread Dieselhead
Order the whole rear link kit from Rusty, it always goes on sale 
right after I buy 124 links from him at regular price.  (it is on 
sale now because I just re-did the 300D rear suspension) Also order 
the subframe mounts.  Rusty knows what you need.  Just call him. 
There are 2 front and 2 rear subframe bushings (for the rear 
subframe) on the 124.  If you car is not too rusty, you probably 
don't need new bolts.  If your car is rusty, you may want to order 
the new bolts or the kit with the bolts for the bushings.   The 
official please don't sue me practice is to replace the bolts. 
I've been happy with the old bolts on my non-rusty car.


If you reuse the bolts, you might want to have some loctite on hand. 
But I have never had a problem with bolts coming lose.  For triumph 
and other shaker motorsickles you can't live without locktite.  On my 
MBs and BMW motorsickles, I don't remember ever using locktite.  The 
124 suspension parts have self-locking nuts or blue loctite on them 
from the factory, but I think that is a don't sue me  CYA.


For the rear links, be sure what you order has the new bolts and 
bushings.  The parts you will get are 210 parts and use smaller 
bolts, and some you will need bushings for to compensate for the 
smaller bolt.



I did have the big bolt break once on a 126, so for a 123 or 126, 
ordering the new bolts is a good idea.  Those are single bushings





Hi Gang -
Have been following this thread as I'd like to restore my rear 
suspension one day.  It doesn't seem bad - I don't notice any 
specific problems but with nearly 180K Mi on it, it's just a matter 
of time.


Looking at Rustys site I found these parts:
W0133-1614000Subframe Bushing Kit
W0133-1629778Subframe Mounting Kit
W0133-1624039   Subframe Mount

The only things Rustys site is lacking IMHO is a Wish List and a 
number Req'd column.


Can some one tell me how many of the above parts I will need.  What 
else might I need (other than shocks)?  I've never done much 
suspension work except to the front of the 78 240D but I have lots 
of tools and am patient - what Special Tools will I need?


Thx!

LarryT
91 300D


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From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:56 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

I have found that you must put the torque link in before the thrust 
link (or if only replacing the torque link, remove the thrust link) 
because you need to rotate the wheel carrier a bit to get the bolt 
and sleeve in.


I don't know when the new style links came out, but I suspect in 90 
they were still the old style with a larger bolt.  New link are 210 
part numbers, and you need a bolt kit with sleeve to fit the new 
smaller bolt to the old style wheel carrier as the bolts are 
smaller diameter.


Check the tie rods and tie rod eccentric bolt bushing (that's the 
only part that usually wears, but the tie rod end can go bad too) 
and replace these at the same time.  Requires a full four wheel 
alignment if you do.


I plan to replace the spring link bushings at the same time, rather 
pointless to replace all the links and have excessive noise and 
tire wear from the camber being loose even with new links.


Might stick new spring pads in as well, after all, they are 20 
years old with how many miles on them?


Peter


-Original Message-

From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 2, 2010 10:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the
wheel carrier.  It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took
them off and took them to a good tire shop.  they pressed out the old
and in the new.  I think the sequence you suggest is right.  I see
Rusty has the links on sale again this month.  He always does that a
couple weeks after I do the job.  It is a very good price!

This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy 
rear links in

the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just
follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)?

The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel 
carrier for each

of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to
pressing them back in?

TIA -- OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-06 Thread Rusty Cullens

ROTFLMAO

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damn, thats a good deal I guess but hell, I need to do about 3 or 4 cars 
though.  Will you sell me enough to do 4 cars for $199 total?


Rusty Cullens wrote:
They are legit no name brand. I have sold hundreds of them with no 
issues. $199.00 versus $510.76 Lemforder.



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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

so is that a yes?

Rusty Cullens wrote:

ROTFLMAO

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-05 Thread Rusty Cullens

Read the special dude. It is a COMPLETE kit. $199.00.


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- Original Message - 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement



Does that price he has include both sides or is that per side?

Dieselhead wrote:
The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the wheel 
carrier.  It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took them off 
and took them to a good tire shop.  they pressed out the old and in the 
new.  I think the sequence you suggest is right.  I see Rusty has the 
links on sale again this month.  He always does that a couple weeks after 
I do the job.  It is a very good price!



This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy rear 
links in

the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just
follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)?

The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel carrier for 
each

of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to
pressing them back in?

TIA -- OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-05 Thread John Robbins

On 4/5/2010 9:09 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

Read the special dude. It is a COMPLETE kit. $199.00.


Are they legit OEM parts or no-name brand?

John

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-05 Thread Rusty Cullens
They are legit no name brand. I have sold hundreds of them with no issues. 
$199.00 versus $510.76 Lemforder.



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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement



On 4/5/2010 9:09 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

Read the special dude. It is a COMPLETE kit. $199.00.


Are they legit OEM parts or no-name brand?

John

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-05 Thread John Robbins

On 4/5/2010 9:42 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

They are legit no name brand. I have sold hundreds of them with no
issues. $199.00 versus $510.76 Lemforder.


Very, very tempting.  Will need to look into Sportline upgrades, which 
are obviously not going to be covered by your special. ;) I think the 
Sportline stuff is only the front/rear subframe mounts.


John


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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-05 Thread Mitch Haley

Rusty Cullens wrote:

Read the special dude. It is a COMPLETE kit. $199.00.


The hardware includes the special bolts to put new links on old cars?

Do W124 and W201 take the same kit, or just the same price?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-05 Thread Rusty Cullens
both cars take same kit. these kits come with sleeves in them so if you have 
an older version you leave sleeve in, if you have the newer version you 
punch the sleeve out.



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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement



Rusty Cullens wrote:

Read the special dude. It is a COMPLETE kit. $199.00.


The hardware includes the special bolts to put new links on old cars?

Do W124 and W201 take the same kit, or just the same price?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-05 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
damn, thats a good deal I guess but hell, I need to do about 3 or 4 cars 
though.  Will you sell me enough to do 4 cars for $199 total?


Rusty Cullens wrote:
They are legit no name brand. I have sold hundreds of them with no 
issues. $199.00 versus $510.76 Lemforder.



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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-03 Thread Peter Frederick
I have found that you must put the torque link in before the thrust link (or if 
only replacing the torque link, remove the thrust link) because you need to 
rotate the wheel carrier a bit to get the bolt and sleeve in.

I don't know when the new style links came out, but I suspect in 90 they were 
still the old style with a larger bolt.  New link are 210 part numbers, and you 
need a bolt kit with sleeve to fit the new smaller bolt to the old style wheel 
carrier as the bolts are smaller diameter.

Check the tie rods and tie rod eccentric bolt bushing (that's the only part 
that usually wears, but the tie rod end can go bad too) and replace these at 
the same time.  Requires a full four wheel alignment if you do.

I plan to replace the spring link bushings at the same time, rather pointless 
to replace all the links and have excessive noise and tire wear from the camber 
being loose even with new links.

Might stick new spring pads in as well, after all, they are 20 years old with 
how many miles on them?

Peter


-Original Message-
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 2, 2010 10:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the 
wheel carrier.  It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took 
them off and took them to a good tire shop.  they pressed out the old 
and in the new.  I think the sequence you suggest is right.  I see 
Rusty has the links on sale again this month.  He always does that a 
couple weeks after I do the job.  It is a very good price!


This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy rear links in
the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just
follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)?

The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel carrier for each
of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to
pressing them back in?

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Does that price he has include both sides or is that per side?

Dieselhead wrote:
The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the 
wheel carrier.  It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took 
them off and took them to a good tire shop.  they pressed out the old 
and in the new.  I think the sequence you suggest is right.  I see 
Rusty has the links on sale again this month.  He always does that a 
couple weeks after I do the job.  It is a very good price!



This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy rear 
links in

the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just
follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)?

The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel carrier 
for each

of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to
pressing them back in?

TIA -- OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-03 Thread OK Don
Since it says:

Rear Suspension Link Kit
W124  W201 Chassis
Includes 8 Links  Hardware
$199.00

I suspect that it will do both sides.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Does that price he has include both sides or is that per side?


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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

got ya, once of these days I will learn to read.

OK Don wrote:

Since it says:

Rear Suspension Link Kit
W124  W201 Chassis
Includes 8 Links  Hardware
$199.00

I suspect that it will do both sides.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

  

Does that price he has include both sides or is that per side?




  




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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-03 Thread OK Don
The devil is in the details ---

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 got ya, once of these days I will learn to read.

 OK Don wrote:

 Since it says:

 Rear Suspension Link Kit
 W124  W201 Chassis
 Includes 8 Links  Hardware
 $199.00

 I suspect that it will do both sides.

 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:



 Does that price he has include both sides or is that per side?



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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear axel link replacement

2010-04-02 Thread Dieselhead
The bugaboo is the the outer joint for the lower control arm in the 
wheel carrier.  It takes a special tool (press) of course.I took 
them off and took them to a good tire shop.  they pressed out the old 
and in the new.  I think the sequence you suggest is right.  I see 
Rusty has the links on sale again this month.  He always does that a 
couple weeks after I do the job.  It is a very good price!




This weekend looks good for finally replacing the worn, sloppy rear links in
the '90 300D. Is there a perferred sequence for replacing them, or just
follow the sequence in the manual (camber, torque, tie rod, thrust)?

The instructions say press tensioning sleeve out of wheel carrier for each
of the links - is a BFH the usual tool for this job? Is there a trick to
pressing them back in?

TIA -- OK Don
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