Re: [MBZ] Amsoil now has Mercedes 229 approval ...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I hadn't thought about them in awhile. My '05 Golf has very specific oil 
requirements and M1 5w40 doesn't have the VW seal of approval although many 
guys run it.Amsoil's European 5w40 does meet VW 505.01 which is what I need but 
its $11.10/qt retail price! I can buy Fuchs at my local car quest for $9, or 
probably less because they like me.A preferred customer of Amsoil gets 25% off, 
so $8.32 plus shipping unless you spend $100. Doesn't sound like much of a deal 
to me.I can buy an oil change kit from idparts for $40 which includes 5 liters 
of LiquiMoly 5w40, a Mann filter, a new drain plug and a pair of nitrile 
gloves...
-Curt
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In case you are interested ...

http://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/articles/european-car-formula-evolves/


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil now has Mercedes 229 approval ...

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just says 229, does not say 229.what. Is it 229.3, 229.5, 229.51 or what? Makes 
a big difference. My guess is 229.3 or 5

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> In case you are interested ...
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> http://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/articles/european-car-formula-evolves/
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[clay monroe]

Fluid and filters need to be changed.  No use running fresh fluid through a 
nasty filter  Fresh standard ATF will help flush gunk out.  Not as good as 
synth, but a short shot of synth will allow you to change to longer periods.

clay


On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Alan Clarke wrote:

 Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, 
 namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up 
 on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am 
 now talking about using.  This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's 
 cheaper than  transmission repair down the road.
 
 On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:
 when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out
 dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid.  Not
 chunks, but just not clear.  I guess it came from the bands.  Similar with
 the differential.  On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic
 caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine.  I would
 say YMMV.
 
 
 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission.  I have used it in
 both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up
 the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first
 fill.  Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old.  When you
 change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal.  No leaks.  I have
 only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I
 would doubt.  Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean
 system.
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote:
 
 Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is
 a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I
 respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals
 and the like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced regularly
 and has under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it
 would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles.
   I'm not sure if it's approved or not.  Does anyone have any information
 and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123
 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Curt Raymond]

Cheaper is walking, you do oil analysis to ensure you have the best possible 
lubrication and to get an idea whats going on inside your engine...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:27:22 -0700
From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
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That's another thought.  My hope is that 1) I'm not that high mileage, 
150K or so and 2) there was a maintenance sticker on the car when I 
bought it and I talked to the mechanic so I have reason to hope it was 
well maintained. But, you mentioned getting an analysis done and that is 
cheaper than changing the fluid on general principle.

On 10/27/2012 9:05 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 You work up to longer duration changes, the first couple changes just scrub 
 out all the crud that built up either from using inferior quality stuff or 
 from poor previous maintenance on the previous owner's part.

 When I first got my '85 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels in the 
 engine oil. After a few changes with Mobil 1 the iron levels went down to 
 normal and stayed there even with 10,000+ mile oil changes. The previous 
 owner swore to me he changed the oil every 5,000 miles but I don't recall 
 any mention of what oil he'd used.

 I always assume the previous owner was and idiot (well except for the car I 
 bought from Dwight) and maintain it accordingly.

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Brian Toscano]

when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out
dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid.  Not
chunks, but just not clear.  I guess it came from the bands.  Similar with
the differential.  On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic
caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine.  I would
say YMMV.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission.  I have used it in
 both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up
 the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first
 fill.  Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old.  When you
 change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal.  No leaks.  I have
 only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I
 would doubt.  Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean
 system.

 clay


 On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote:

  Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is
 a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I
 respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals
 and the like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced regularly
 and has under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it
 would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles.
   I'm not sure if it's approved or not.  Does anyone have any information
 and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123
 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Alan Clarke]

Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, 
namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked 
up on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid 
which I am now talking about using.  This isn't cheap stuff but on the 
other hand it's cheaper than  transmission repair down the road.


On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:

when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out
dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid.  Not
chunks, but just not clear.  I guess it came from the bands.  Similar with
the differential.  On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic
caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine.  I would
say YMMV.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:


I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission.  I have used it in
both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up
the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first
fill.  Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old.  When you
change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal.  No leaks.  I have
only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I
would doubt.  Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean
system.

clay


On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote:


Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is

a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I
respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals
and the like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced regularly
and has under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it
would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles.
   I'm not sure if it's approved or not.  Does anyone have any information
and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123
Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Brian Toscano]

Since synthetic tends to clean out engines and transmissions, switching
cars that haven't used synthetics before costs more if you want clean fluid.


On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic,
 namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up
 on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am
 now talking about using.  This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's
 cheaper than  transmission repair down the road.

 On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:

 when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out
 dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid.  Not
 chunks, but just not clear.  I guess it came from the bands.  Similar with
 the differential.  On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic
 caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine.  I would
 say YMMV.


 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
 wrote:

  I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission.  I have used it in
 both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean
 up
 the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first
 fill.  Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old.  When you
 change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal.  No leaks.  I have
 only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I
 would doubt.  Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean
 system.

 clay


 On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote:

  Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is

 a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I
 respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking
 seals
 and the like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced regularly
 and has under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought
 it
 would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their
 vehicles.
I'm not sure if it's approved or not.  Does anyone have any
 information
 and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123
 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Tim C]

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote:
 Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic,
 namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up

I'd say the primary purpose is superior lubrication.  The issue is
that the old fluids tend to turn into mud and collect on the surfaces
- especially if it wasn't always changed properly in its past -
whereas the new fluid will clean out the old fluid and then your
transmission will be properly lubricated as designed.

Once you have clean fluid you will have no problems with extended
change intervals, because of the superior lubrication and cleaning
properties of the synthetic, but in the beginning you will probably
want to go even shorter than normal to clean up the old mess.

 on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am
 now talking about using.  This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's
 cheaper than  transmission repair down the road.

Exactly. :)

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Curt Raymond]

My '96 Dakota (v8, 4x4) had a wicked rear main seal leak at around 90,000 
miles. I switched to Mobil 1 10w30 and after about 10,000 miles the leak had 
slowed from a qt every 500 miles to a qt every 3000 miles where it stayed until 
I got rid of the truck (due to tinworm and transmission issues) at 222,000 
miles...

In another case I had a 10hp single cyl lawnmower that had 80psi compression 
and would barely run and was wicked hard to start. I switched to Mobil 1 and 
after 2 days of hard mowing (theres nothing else on our farm) I measured again 
at 90psi and starting was much improved (although still hard). I got an extra 
season out of what was basically a knackered mower. Had to, our other one threw 
a rod...

Now my '83 240D started leaking worse after I'd switched to Mobil 1, then back 
to conventional, then back to Mobil 1 so that seems inadvisable. The thing is 
on a 30 year old car theres no way to tell if Mobil 1 caused the leak or if the 
leak was just lying dormant waiting to spring out at any time.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:52:51 -0600
From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
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when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out
dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid.  Not
chunks, but just not clear.  I guess it came from the bands.  Similar with
the differential.  On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic
caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine.  I would
say YMMV.


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Curt Raymond]

You work up to longer duration changes, the first couple changes just scrub out 
all the crud that built up either from using inferior quality stuff or from 
poor previous maintenance on the previous owner's part.

When I first got my '85 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels in the engine 
oil. After a few changes with Mobil 1 the iron levels went down to normal and 
stayed there even with 10,000+ mile oil changes. The previous owner swore to me 
he changed the oil every 5,000 miles but I don't recall any mention of what 
oil he'd used.

I always assume the previous owner was and idiot (well except for the car I 
bought from Dwight) and maintain it accordingly.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:21:59 -0700
From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
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Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, 
namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked 
up on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid 
which I am now talking about using.  This isn't cheap stuff but on the 
other hand it's cheaper than  transmission repair down the road.

On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:
 when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out
 dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid.  Not
 chunks, but just not clear.  I guess it came from the bands.  Similar with
 the differential.  On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic
 caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine.  I would
 say YMMV.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Alan Clarke]

That's another thought.  My hope is that 1) I'm not that high mileage, 
150K or so and 2) there was a maintenance sticker on the car when I 
bought it and I talked to the mechanic so I have reason to hope it was 
well maintained. But, you mentioned getting an analysis done and that is 
cheaper than changing the fluid on general principle.


On 10/27/2012 9:05 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

You work up to longer duration changes, the first couple changes just scrub out 
all the crud that built up either from using inferior quality stuff or from 
poor previous maintenance on the previous owner's part.

When I first got my '85 190D oil analysis showed high iron levels in the engine oil. 
After a few changes with Mobil 1 the iron levels went down to normal and stayed there 
even with 10,000+ mile oil changes. The previous owner swore to me he changed the oil 
every 5,000 miles but I don't recall any mention of what oil he'd used.

I always assume the previous owner was and idiot (well except for the car I 
bought from Dwight) and maintain it accordingly.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:21:59 -0700
From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
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Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic,
namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked
up on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid
which I am now talking about using.  This isn't cheap stuff but on the
other hand it's cheaper than  transmission repair down the road.

On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:

when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out
dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid.  Not
chunks, but just not clear.  I guess it came from the bands.  Similar with
the differential.  On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic
caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine.  I would
say YMMV.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Mitch Haley]

Rick Knoble wrote:

I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too. 
Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some folks. I would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as Mobil 1. 


I don't think Amsoil makes anything, I think they buy it from Mobil.
I generally assume that Amsoil products are what Mobil One would be if Mobil 
didn't shave costs to maximize profit.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Curt Raymond]

Many old-timers will steer you away from synthetic because of unspecified 
troubles they've heard about. Its the Guy down at pub phenomenon. They heard 
from a guy down at the pub that synthetic oil/ATF/grease/whatever is bad stuff 
so they'll never use it. Never mind that they have no first hand experience 
with the stuff.

Yes seals will often leak when changing to synthetic lubricants as crud gets 
cleaned away but frequently the seals will then swell and the same leaks will 
then seal up. I've seen this many times when switching to synthetic engine oil.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:34:40 -0700
From: Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission
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Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is 
a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I 
respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking 
seals and the like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced 
regularly and has under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on 
Mercedes thought it would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by 
MBZ for their vehicles.   I'm not sure if it's approved or not.  Does 
anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic 
Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Tim C]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Yes seals will often leak when changing to synthetic lubricants as crud gets 
 cleaned away but frequently the seals will then swell and the same leaks will 
 then seal up. I've seen this many times when switching to synthetic engine 
 oil.

What Curt said.  The early leaking often turns people off, but as the
seals get properly lubricated they will (usually) get back into shape.

I imagine you have some small chance that the loosened old-oil crud
will get stuck in something, but in my opinion the longevity benefits
of proper lubrication vastly outweigh that risk.  Still might be worth
changing filters at the halfway point, just the same, after a switch.

Best,
Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Alan Clarke]

My thanks to those that responded. It was confusing because MBZ has a 
list of recommended fluids. According to Amzoil, who I called, the 
specification is the Dextron III specification and they say that is the 
critical thing that the fluid meet, which is what I think you were 
saying. It is recommended on their website which I think gives them 
legal liability. Something they don't do, by the way, with the Amzoil 
that I have been using for the engine: Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel  
Marine Motor Oil *SAE 15W-40 (AME)*. They do recommend a 5W-30 European 
Oil so apparently it meets some European spec. He was saying that was 
possibly meeting an emissions criteria so I'm not going to worry about 
it. Again, thanks all.





On 10/25/2012 10:19 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote:


  Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of synthetic 
Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?


This meets the MB spec

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atf.aspx

That is specified here

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_231_1.pdf

I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too.
Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some folks. I 
would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as Mobil 1.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Mitch Haley]

Alan Clarke wrote:
My thanks to those that responded. It was confusing because MBZ has a 
list of recommended fluids. According to Amzoil, who I called, the 
specification is the Dextron III specification and they say that is the 
critical thing that the fluid meet, which is what I think you were 
saying. It is recommended on their website which I think gives them 
legal liability. Something they don't do, by the way, with the Amzoil 
that I have been using for the engine: Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel  
Marine Motor Oil *SAE 15W-40 (AME)*. They do recommend a 5W-30 European 
Oil so apparently it meets some European spec. He was saying that was 
possibly meeting an emissions criteria so I'm not going to worry about 
it. Again, thanks all.


The 15W40 is probably good stuff for your engine. 5W40 or 15W50 Mobil One are 
fine too.


Don't put 5W30 anything in a W123 diesel. Probably not in any MBZ diesel, I 
think the CDI engines require 0W40.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Good research Rick... the specs are important, especially the older ones
listed there.  The Amsoil looks like it will work..

I'm a big fan of Febi 08971... you can find it by look up the equivalent MB
part number 000 989 92 03 on various sites on the internet.

It does wonders for improving the shift quality on 722.0, 1, 2, 3, 4
transmissions...  And its a Dexron IID fluid.  Its not backward compatible
with older transmissions  its made for older transmissions.

Jaime


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Alan Clarke alanc...@pacbell.net wrote:

   Does anyone have any information and or thoughts about the use of
 synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?


 This meets the MB spec

 http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atf.aspx

 That is specified here

 http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_231_1.pdf

 I use Mobil 1 ATF as it is cheaper. Amsoil makes fine products too.
 Mobil 1ATF is thought of as an elixer for tired transmissions by some
 folks. I would expect Amsoil to perform nearly as well, if not as well as
 Mobil 1.

 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[clay monroe]

I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission.  I have used it in both 
Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up the 
garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first fill.  
Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old.  When you change the 
fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal.  No leaks.  I have only used Mobil 
1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I would doubt.  Drain the 
TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean system.

clay


On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote:

 Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is a 
 synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I respect 
 thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals and the 
 like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced regularly and has 
 under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it would be 
 OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles.   I'm not 
 sure if it's approved or not.  Does anyone have any information and or 
 thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123 Diesel with a 
 722.315 transmission?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Brian Toscano]

When soot goes up past 2-3% wear starts increasing and the oil starts losing 
its ability to keep it in suspension.  AME 15w-40 and 5w-40 aren't that much 
different?  The 15w-40 is almost a 5w-40 or may be... The viscosity ranges 
overlap.


-Original Message-
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:44 
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean  - but I also see the oil 
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar 
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40.  I know they're supposed to both 
be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other 
cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) will 
have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number 
(cold).\\

Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the gauge 
will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower Cold 
Number.

I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way in 
the real world IMHO.  As least as far as I can tell from at least 3 
different gauges.

go figger ;-)

LarryT
91 300D



In God We Trust

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From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

 I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid 
 marketing system...

 I'd like to dispute your M1 assertion first, #1 they didn't Go to 5w40 
 both the 5w40 and 15w50 have been available for years.

 #2 at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME. Thats what the 
 w40 means...

 When the engine is cold 5w40 will flow to the bearings more quickly 
 because its thinner than 15w40.

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:50 -0400
 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil
 Message-ID: 75a0585e5b924844afee23a386036...@laptop
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
 reply-type=original

 Hi Gang  -- 
 I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to 
 mention
 it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central 
 Va)
 and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went to
 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels pre-07
 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval.
 I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

 I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always
 had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with 
 over
 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
 filter every other test.

 Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can limit
 the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91 300D
 with 185K Miles 

 Thx
 LarryT
 91 300D





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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Brian Toscano]

It is easier said that done with viscosity of engine oil!  While a certain 
15w-40 may almost be as thick or thin as a 5w-40 it may change as standards 
change. 
-Original Message-
From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:13:07 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

When soot goes up past 2-3% wear starts increasing and the oil starts losing 
its ability to keep it in suspension.  AME 15w-40 and 5w-40 aren't that much 
different?  The 15w-40 is almost a 5w-40 or may be... The viscosity ranges 
overlap.


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Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:44 
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean  - but I also see the oil 
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar 
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40.  I know they're supposed to both 
be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other 
cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) will 
have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number 
(cold).\\

Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the gauge 
will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower Cold 
Number.

I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way in 
the real world IMHO.  As least as far as I can tell from at least 3 
different gauges.

go figger ;-)

LarryT
91 300D



In God We Trust

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From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

 I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid 
 marketing system...

 I'd like to dispute your M1 assertion first, #1 they didn't Go to 5w40 
 both the 5w40 and 15w50 have been available for years.

 #2 at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME. Thats what the 
 w40 means...

 When the engine is cold 5w40 will flow to the bearings more quickly 
 because its thinner than 15w40.

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:50 -0400
 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil
 Message-ID: 75a0585e5b924844afee23a386036...@laptop
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
 reply-type=original

 Hi Gang  -- 
 I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to 
 mention
 it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central 
 Va)
 and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went to
 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels pre-07
 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval.
 I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

 I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always
 had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with 
 over
 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
 filter every other test.

 Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can limit
 the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91 300D
 with 185K Miles 

 Thx
 LarryT
 91 300D





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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

Hadn't gotten that far into it yet I'm afraid still in the I should think 
about that category...

Before I do anything else I need to drive the 240D some more and do some oil 
analysis. See what kind of change duration I can get stock.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:02:10 -0400
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
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Curt Raymond wrote:


Assuming I buy Dwights 240D (good bet, its a nice car) I'm pondering a
bypass filter. I need to do some tests but Marshall said synthetic in a
61x engine couldn't go really long durations because the soot load
would get too high (over 2%) but a bypass filter could take the soot
out...

The engine comes with a small bypass filter already, but the loose packed stuff 
(cotton waste?) isn't as effective as an external bypass filter. Are you 
thinking of a TP filter like Frantz, Motor Guard, and Gulf Coast, or something 
else, like the wound string filter from Amsoil?
I bought a couple of Motor Guard air filters, along with some adapters to fit 
modern size TP to them, but haven't gotten them into service. The plastic core 
on the elements that Motor Guard sells do not stand up to hot oil (Motor Guard 
quit marketing their filters for oil many years ago).

Unfortunately, I don't have current contact info for Ralph Wood, and his web 
site, bypassfilter.com, has been taken over by squatters, so I don't think I 
can 
make more Motor Guard oil filters. I never really liked the idea of Gulf 
Coast's 
  non-metallic filter housing in the TP size, and Frantz is not cheap.

Mitch.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[pm7088]

The primary reason I used DELVAC1 in my 300SDL was cold start. That car would 
reliably start at -10°. At about 300Kmi, it used 2 quarts between changes {At 
20KMI}. With my driving regiment the f-soot was at 75% at that point. 


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- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:38:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil 

It would be interesting to have a more accurate (meaning easier to read smaller 
increments on) gauge to see what the real difference is. Honestly as far as I'm 
concerned the old more is better doesn't really apply to idle oil pressure. 
Its more of a case of enough is enough so as long as you're above .3 bar at 
idle and the gauge pegs when you take off you're ready to rock. 

I also figure thinner oil is better at startup because it'll flow better. In 
the winter I know my car appreciates that because I know how thick the 15w40 
conventional oil is. Last winter I kept spare oil in the house so when I topped 
up Hammie (often) it wouldn't take forever. 

-Curt 

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:44 -0400 
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil 
Message-ID: 03ccaba91a024be8af25c47d2b05d...@laptop 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; 
reply-type=original 

Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME 

Thanks Curt - 

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean - but I also see the oil 
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar 
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40. I know they're supposed to both 
be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other 
cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) will 
have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number 
(cold).\\ 

Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the gauge 
will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower Cold 
Number. 

I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way in 
the real world IMHO. As least as far as I can tell from at least 3 
different gauges. 

go figger ;-) 

LarryT 
91 300D 



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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
The primary reason I used DELVAC1 in my 300SDL was cold start. That car would reliably start at -10°. At about 300Kmi, it used 2 quarts between changes {At 20KMI}. With my driving regiment the f-soot was at 75% at that point. 


I didn't know it would pour if it was 25% oil and 75% soot. Or was that 75% of 
the recommended soot load to change the oil at? (seems like Herr Dieseling 
Doktor thought you should change at 2%, some oil analyzers recommend 3%)


Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[pm7088]

I've forgotten the specific recommendation. 

Key: It is the oil producers responsibility to define the allowed fsoot for his 
oil. My old memory tells me that it was 4% and I'd change it at 3% . 

I miss that car still, SWMBO did not like it. Too big and front end gave a 
wallowing feel to her. 


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- Original Message - 
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:30:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil 

pm7...@comcast.net wrote: 
 The primary reason I used DELVAC1 in my 300SDL was cold start. That car would 
 reliably start at -10°. At about 300Kmi, it used 2 quarts between changes {At 
 20KMI}. With my driving regiment the f-soot was at 75% at that point. 

I didn't know it would pour if it was 25% oil and 75% soot. Or was that 75% of 
the recommended soot load to change the oil at? (seems like Herr Dieseling 
Doktor thought you should change at 2%, some oil analyzers recommend 3%) 

Mitch. 



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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Larry T]

I hear ya!  As you said, a oil gauge that's been calibrated would be 
nice ---


Hmmm wonder how much that'd cost?  Time to check McMaster

LarryT
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From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:38 PM
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

It would be interesting to have a more accurate (meaning easier to read 
smaller increments on) gauge to see what the real difference is. Honestly 
as far as I'm concerned the old more is better doesn't really apply to 
idle oil pressure. Its more of a case of enough is enough so as long as 
you're above .3 bar at idle and the gauge pegs when you take off you're 
ready to rock.


I also figure thinner oil is better at startup because it'll flow better. 
In the winter I know my car appreciates that because I know how thick the 
15w40 conventional oil is. Last winter I kept spare oil in the house so 
when I topped up Hammie (often) it wouldn't take forever.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:44 -0400
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Message-ID: 03ccaba91a024be8af25c47d2b05d...@laptop
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original

Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean  - but I also see the oil
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40.  I know they're supposed to 
both

be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other
cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) will
have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number
(cold).\\

Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the gauge
will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower 
Cold

Number.

I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way 
in

the real world IMHO.  As least as far as I can tell from at least 3
different gauges.

go figger ;-)

LarryT
91 300D



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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[pm7088]

No sense getting anal about oil pressure. 
You need 'Some' at idle and 1/2 gage at speed. If you break the drive shaft to 
the pump for instance, you'll have '0'. The engine will probably seize before 
you notice it. I blew an oil filter apart on a chebby 350 about 20 years ago. 
The warning light saved that engine! I never would have noticed a gage at 60 
mph. 
My truck has thrown it's serp belt off about 4 times {220Kmi}, the alternator 
light informs me long before the temperature becomes an issue. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net 
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:41:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil 

I hear ya! As you said, a oil gauge that's been calibrated would be 
nice --- 

Hmmm wonder how much that'd cost? Time to check McMaster 

LarryT 
In God We Trust 

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From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:38 PM 
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil 

 It would be interesting to have a more accurate (meaning easier to read 
 smaller increments on) gauge to see what the real difference is. Honestly 
 as far as I'm concerned the old more is better doesn't really apply to 
 idle oil pressure. Its more of a case of enough is enough so as long as 
 you're above .3 bar at idle and the gauge pegs when you take off you're 
 ready to rock. 
 
 I also figure thinner oil is better at startup because it'll flow better. 
 In the winter I know my car appreciates that because I know how thick the 
 15w40 conventional oil is. Last winter I kept spare oil in the house so 
 when I topped up Hammie (often) it wouldn't take forever. 
 
 -Curt 
 
 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:44 -0400 
 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil 
 Message-ID: 03ccaba91a024be8af25c47d2b05d...@laptop 
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; 
 reply-type=original 
 
 Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME 
 
 Thanks Curt - 
 
 I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean - but I also see the oil 
 pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar 
 than it does when fully warm with a 15W40. I know they're supposed to 
 both 
 be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other 
 cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) will 
 have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number 
 (cold).\\ 
 
 Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the gauge 
 will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower 
 Cold 
 Number. 
 
 I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way 
 in 
 the real world IMHO. As least as far as I can tell from at least 3 
 different gauges. 
 
 go figger ;-) 
 
 LarryT 
 91 300D 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[R A Bennell]

Not sure how well it might work on today's computerized engine controls, and it 
obviously won't work on the older
diesels, but one way to protect an engine from oil pressure failure was to run 
the ignition hot wire through the
oil pressure light wiring. If there was no oil pressure the switch would ground 
out the ignition and kill the
engine.

Randy

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of pm7...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


No sense getting anal about oil pressure.
You need 'Some' at idle and 1/2 gage at speed. If you break the drive shaft to 
the pump for instance, you'll have
'0'. The engine will probably seize before you notice it. I blew an oil filter 
apart on a chebby 350 about 20 years
ago. The warning light saved that engine! I never would have noticed a gage at 
60 mph.
My truck has thrown it's serp belt off about 4 times {220Kmi}, the alternator 
light informs me long before the
temperature becomes an issue.


--

Peter Arnold

Windsor, CT

- Original Message -
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:41:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

I hear ya! As you said, a oil gauge that's been calibrated would be
nice ---

Hmmm wonder how much that'd cost? Time to check McMaster

LarryT
In God We Trust

--
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:38 PM
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

 It would be interesting to have a more accurate (meaning easier to read
 smaller increments on) gauge to see what the real difference is. Honestly
 as far as I'm concerned the old more is better doesn't really apply to
 idle oil pressure. Its more of a case of enough is enough so as long as
 you're above .3 bar at idle and the gauge pegs when you take off you're
 ready to rock.

 I also figure thinner oil is better at startup because it'll flow better.
 In the winter I know my car appreciates that because I know how thick the
 15w40 conventional oil is. Last winter I kept spare oil in the house so
 when I topped up Hammie (often) it wouldn't take forever.

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:44 -0400
 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
 Message-ID: 03ccaba91a024be8af25c47d2b05d...@laptop
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
 reply-type=original

 Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

 Thanks Curt -

 I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean - but I also see the oil
 pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar
 than it does when fully warm with a 15W40. I know they're supposed to
 both
 be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other
 cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) will
 have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number
 (cold).\\

 Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the gauge
 will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower
 Cold
 Number.

 I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way
 in
 the real world IMHO. As least as far as I can tell from at least 3
 different gauges.

 go figger ;-)

 LarryT
 91 300D



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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:11 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:
 Not sure how well it might work on today's computerized engine controls, and 
 it obviously won't work on the older
 diesels, but one way to protect an engine from oil pressure failure was to 
 run the ignition hot wire through the
 oil pressure light wiring. If there was no oil pressure the switch would 
 ground out the ignition and kill the
 engine.


Solenoid on the emergency shutoff lever?  ;)

ALex

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

R A Bennell wrote:

Not sure how well it might work on today's computerized engine controls, and it 
obviously won't work on the older
diesels, but one way to protect an engine from oil pressure failure was to run 
the ignition hot wire through the
oil pressure light wiring. If there was no oil pressure the switch would ground 
out the ignition and kill the
engine.


Sounds like a points and ballast resister ignition. And you'd have to keep the 
ignition switch in the 'crank' position until the oil pressure light went out.


I'm all for wiring a seat belt buzzer in parallel with an oil pressure lamp.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[R A Bennell]

How about a cellular dialer so it could phone you to tell you to look at the 
pressure gauge?

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:55 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


R A Bennell wrote:
 Not sure how well it might work on today's computerized engine controls, and 
 it obviously won't work on the older
 diesels, but one way to protect an engine from oil pressure failure was to 
 run the ignition hot wire through the
 oil pressure light wiring. If there was no oil pressure the switch would 
 ground out the ignition and kill the
 engine.

Sounds like a points and ballast resister ignition. And you'd have to keep the
ignition switch in the 'crank' position until the oil pressure light went out.

I'm all for wiring a seat belt buzzer in parallel with an oil pressure lamp.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Larry T]

You wrote You need 'Some' at idle and 1/2 gage at speed.

Not on our MBs - by 2500rpm the gauge should be pegged.  Less and the main 
bearings need attention.


But I get your point

LarryT
91 300D

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


No sense getting anal about oil pressure.
You need 'Some' at idle and 1/2 gage at speed. If you break the drive 
shaft to the pump for instance, you'll have '0'. The engine will probably 
seize before you notice it. I blew an oil filter apart on a chebby 350 
about 20 years ago. The warning light saved that engine! I never would 
have noticed a gage at 60 mph.
My truck has thrown it's serp belt off about 4 times {220Kmi}, the 
alternator light informs me long before the temperature becomes an issue.



--

Peter Arnold

Windsor, CT

- Original Message - 
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:41:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

I hear ya! As you said, a oil gauge that's been calibrated would be
nice --- 


Hmmm wonder how much that'd cost? Time to check McMaster

LarryT
In God We Trust

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From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:38 PM
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


It would be interesting to have a more accurate (meaning easier to read
smaller increments on) gauge to see what the real difference is. Honestly
as far as I'm concerned the old more is better doesn't really apply to
idle oil pressure. Its more of a case of enough is enough so as long as
you're above .3 bar at idle and the gauge pegs when you take off you're
ready to rock.

I also figure thinner oil is better at startup because it'll flow better.
In the winter I know my car appreciates that because I know how thick the
15w40 conventional oil is. Last winter I kept spare oil in the house so
when I topped up Hammie (often) it wouldn't take forever.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:44 -0400
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Message-ID: 03ccaba91a024be8af25c47d2b05d...@laptop
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original

Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean - but I also see the oil
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40. I know they're supposed to
both
be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other
cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) 
will

have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number
(cold).\\

Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the 
gauge

will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower
Cold
Number.

I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way
in
the real world IMHO. As least as far as I can tell from at least 3
different gauges.

go figger ;-)

LarryT
91 300D



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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

I don't think thats true. I wouldn't have tried 0w40 if I'd been advised not 
to...

I know he said not to use any xW30 oil.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:21:57 -0500
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
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I thought Herr Doktor siad the 5w-40 was fine, it was the 0W-40 that was not
recommended. I'm using the 5w-40 in my 60x engines, and have not experienced
lifter noise. I put 15w-50 in teh 300E to try to get the oil pressure
reading above 0 at a hot idle, but it made no difference.

I also remember that Amsoil is built on M1 stock, but with their won
additive package. I would not hesitate to use it ig it were more available
than M1.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 In theory you are right, that at operating temp, the oil should perform the
 same.

 In practice, it is a little different.  The 0w-40 is made from a lower
 viscosity base than   the 15w-40.  0w-40 is thinner at Op temp, and tends to
 create more lifter noise on OM60x engines.   That is why Herr Doktor said
 not to use a 0w- or 5w- oil in OM60x or OM617 engines.


-- 
OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1991 300E (for sale)
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager


  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Larry T]

Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean  - but I also see the oil 
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar 
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40.  I know they're supposed to both 
be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other 
cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) will 
have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number 
(cold).\\


Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the gauge 
will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower Cold 
Number.


I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way in 
the real world IMHO.  As least as far as I can tell from at least 3 
different gauges.


go figger ;-)

LarryT
91 300D



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From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid 
marketing system...


I'd like to dispute your M1 assertion first, #1 they didn't Go to 5w40 
both the 5w40 and 15w50 have been available for years.


#2 at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME. Thats what the 
w40 means...


When the engine is cold 5w40 will flow to the bearings more quickly 
because its thinner than 15w40.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:50 -0400
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil
Message-ID: 75a0585e5b924844afee23a386036...@laptop
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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Hi Gang  -- 
I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to 
mention
it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central 
Va)

and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went to
5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels pre-07
they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval.
I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with 
over

400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
filter every other test.

Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can limit
the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91 300D
with 185K Miles 

Thx
LarryT
91 300D





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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Larry T]

Jim wrote price per qt looks like $8.35 retail,

That's about what I paid per gallon for Delo .


if you pay the $10 for the 6 month trial the price per qt comes down to 
$6.25 IIRC.  So to spread the $10 over the per qt price depends on the 
number of qt's needed.  If 5 then the price I equal - but Amsol says older 
cars can go to 3X's change interval


This is why I asked - it's a complex question - with lots of variables ...

LarryT
91 300D

In God We Trust

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


The price per qt looks like $8.35 retail,


That's about what I paid per gallon for Delo last time.
Just change it more often...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

Larry T wrote:

Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean  - but I also see the oil 
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar 
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40.  I know they're supposed to 
both be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several 
other cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold 
number) will have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a 
smaller 1st number (cold).\\


That 40 isn't a value, it's a range. And the bottom end of that range overlaps 
the top end of the 30 range. Therefore it is possible for a thick 30 to have a 
higher viscosity at 100C than a thin 40.


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Dieselhead]

Thinner base oil = lower oil pressure in the real world = more leaks 
and more clicking lifters.  OM 60x engines are not happy with a base 
oil of lower viscosity than 10W.


I use the 10w-40 M1 in the winter and 15w-50 M1 in the summer.  I 
have not been able to find 10w-40 m1 for a couple of years.




Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean  - but I also see the 
oil pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower 
psi/Bar than it does when fully warm with a 15W40.  I know they're 
supposed to both be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this 
before on several other cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st 
number (the cold number) will have a lower pressure at idle than 
another oil with a smaller 1st number (cold).\\


Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the 
gauge will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with 
the ower Cold Number.


I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work 
that way in the real world IMHO.  As least as far as I can tell from 
at least 3 different gauges.


go figger ;-)

LarryT
91 300D



In God We Trust

--
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:58 PM
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid 
marketing system...


I'd like to dispute your M1 assertion first, #1 they didn't Go to 
5w40 both the 5w40 and 15w50 have been available for years.


#2 at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME. Thats what 
the w40 means...


When the engine is cold 5w40 will flow to the bearings more quickly 
because its thinner than 15w40.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:50 -0400
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil
Message-ID: 75a0585e5b924844afee23a386036...@laptop
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Hi Gang  -- I know we beat this subject to death once in a 
while - sorry to mention

it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va)
and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went to
5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels pre-07
they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval.
I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over
400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
filter every other test.

Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can limit
the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91 300D
with 185K Miles 

Thx
LarryT
91 300D





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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Larry T]

Thx guys - I appreciate the thoughts -

I've got some more studying to do but at first glance I didn't see any 
values as you describe.  I reviewed a lot of the values in my database where 
they do 2 tests for viscosity -  one test is for Viscosity at 100C and the 
other is for the SAE Grade.  These 2 values are often separated by as much 
as 18 points.  but I need to study and find out what that actually means. 
intuition tells me the numbers should be similar and close to the value when 
the oil was new.


If anyone wants a copy of my database (which includes 4 new, never used oils 
that were analyzed) let me know  I'll send you a copy -


Anyway, not sure what I'll do - but I really appreciate all the comments -
Thx -
Thanks - Larry -

In God We Trust

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Larry T wrote:

Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean  - but I also see the oil 
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar 
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40.  I know they're supposed to 
both be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several 
other cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold 
number) will have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a 
smaller 1st number (cold).\\


That 40 isn't a value, it's a range. And the bottom end of that range 
overlaps the top end of the 30 range. Therefore it is possible for a thick 
30 to have a higher viscosity at 100C than a thin 40.


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

It would be interesting to have a more accurate (meaning easier to read smaller 
increments on) gauge to see what the real difference is. Honestly as far as I'm 
concerned the old more is better doesn't really apply to idle oil pressure. 
Its more of a case of enough is enough so as long as you're above .3 bar at 
idle and the gauge pegs when you take off you're ready to rock.

I also figure thinner oil is better at startup because it'll flow better. In 
the winter I know my car appreciates that because I know how thick the 15w40 
conventional oil is. Last winter I kept spare oil in the house so when I topped 
up Hammie (often) it wouldn't take forever.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:53:44 -0400
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
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Curt wrote at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME

Thanks Curt -

I hear you, and I know what the numbers mean  - but I also see the oil 
pressure gauge and when fully warm with 5W40 it idles at a lower psi/Bar 
than it does when fully warm with a 15W40.  I know they're supposed to both 
be 40Ws when fully warmed up, but I've seen this before on several other 
cars - once warm, the oil with a lower 1st number (the cold number) will 
have a lower pressure at idle than another oil with a smaller 1st number 
(cold).\\

Past (and current) gauge performance is when wamed up and idling the gauge 
will idle lower and fluctuate slightly when using the oil with the ower Cold 
Number.

I know the physics/chemicals behind the test but it doesn't work that way in 
the real world IMHO.  As least as far as I can tell from at least 3 
different gauges.

go figger ;-)

LarryT
91 300D


  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

Amsoil and Amsoil owners say a lot don't they?

I'd been going 12,000 miles on my '85 190D with M1, don't see why Amsoil 
shouldn't be able to do the same. Analysis said I was good to 15k which IIRC is 
3x the normal interval. With a bypass filter I bet it'd go even farther.

Assuming I buy Dwights 240D (good bet, its a nice car) I'm pondering a bypass 
filter. I need to do some tests but Marshall said synthetic in a 61x engine 
couldn't go really long durations because the soot load would get too high 
(over 2%) but a bypass filter could take the soot out...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:57:34 -0400
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
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Jim wrote price per qt looks like $8.35 retail,
 That's about what I paid per gallon for Delo .

if you pay the $10 for the 6 month trial the price per qt comes down to 
$6.25 IIRC.  So to spread the $10 over the per qt price depends on the 
number of qt's needed.  If 5 then the price I equal - but Amsol says older 
cars can go to 3X's change interval

This is why I asked - it's a complex question - with lots of variables ...

LarryT
91 300D


  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

90,000 miles in my '85 190D says thats WRONG.
It was leaking/consuming 1/2 quart in 3,000 miles which is nothing, no 
noticeable drips. It didn't click, clatter or make any other untoward noises 
and analysis said the oil was fine after 15,000 miles.

After this initial change with conventional oil (which my Indy put in) I intend 
to run my '84 190D on M1 5w40 and expect the same sort of results.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:11:44 -0500
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
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Thinner base oil = lower oil pressure in the real world = more leaks 
and more clicking lifters.  OM 60x engines are not happy with a base 
oil of lower viscosity than 10W.

I use the 10w-40 M1 in the winter and 15w-50 M1 in the summer.  I 
have not been able to find 10w-40 m1 for a couple of years.




  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:


Assuming I buy Dwights 240D (good bet, its a nice car) I'm pondering a bypass 
filter. I need to do some tests but Marshall said synthetic in a 61x engine 
couldn't go really long durations because the soot load would get too high 
(over 2%) but a bypass filter could take the soot out...


The engine comes with a small bypass filter already, but the loose packed stuff 
(cotton waste?) isn't as effective as an external bypass filter. Are you 
thinking of a TP filter like Frantz, Motor Guard, and Gulf Coast, or something 
else, like the wound string filter from Amsoil?
I bought a couple of Motor Guard air filters, along with some adapters to fit 
modern size TP to them, but haven't gotten them into service. The plastic core 
on the elements that Motor Guard sells do not stand up to hot oil (Motor Guard 
quit marketing their filters for oil many years ago).


Unfortunately, I don't have current contact info for Ralph Wood, and his web 
site, bypassfilter.com, has been taken over by squatters, so I don't think I can 
make more Motor Guard oil filters. I never really liked the idea of Gulf Coast's 
 non-metallic filter housing in the TP size, and Frantz is not cheap.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't have current contact info for Ralph Wood, and his 
web site, bypassfilter.com, has been taken over by squatters, so I don't 
think I can make more Motor Guard oil filters. I never really liked the 
idea of Gulf Coast's  non-metallic filter housing in the TP size, and 
Frantz is not cheap.


Ralph was posting at bobistheoilguy a couple of years ago, and there's a phone 
number listed in this thread:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflatNumber=1088020

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

Larry T wrote:

   I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always 
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with 
over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes 
the filter every other test.




I believe Amsoil is made by Mobil. I suspect that as M1 went from a group IV 
product to a group III/IV product that Amsoil may have stuck with group IV.


Your semi rig sounds like it's using some sort of depth filter and not changing 
the oil? Any oil would perform well when kept extremely clean (but if I were not 
planning on changing the oil, I'd use the best I could buy too).


Johnny Berryman became an Amsoil dealer when M1/Delvac1 became too much of a 
hassle to find several years ago when he was on this list or the Sexton list.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Larry - I've been thinking the same thing - if NAPA didn't have the M1
sale going on right now I'd be barking up the Amsoil tree.

Maybe you should become the distro agent for this list?

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:37 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil

Hi Gang  -- 
I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to
mention 
it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central
Va) 
and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went to 
5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels pre-07

they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. 
I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's
always 
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with
over 
400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
filter every other test.

Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can
limit 
the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91
300D with 185K Miles 

Thx
LarryT
91 300D


  In God We Trust 


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Larry T]

Hi Mitch -
Thanks for the comments -

BTW, What makes you think Amsoil is owned by M1?

Thanks
Larry
91 300D

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


Larry T wrote:

   I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always 
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with 
over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes 
the filter every other test.




I believe Amsoil is made by Mobil. I suspect that as M1 went from a group 
IV product to a group III/IV product that Amsoil may have stuck with group 
IV.


Your semi rig sounds like it's using some sort of depth filter and not 
changing the oil? Any oil would perform well when kept extremely clean 
(but if I were not planning on changing the oil, I'd use the best I could 
buy too).


Johnny Berryman became an Amsoil dealer when M1/Delvac1 became too much of 
a hassle to find several years ago when he was on this list or the Sexton 
list.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Brian Toscano]

Amsoil was known to purchase some/all of their basestocks from Mobil.  I'd use 
the AME 15w-40 without hesitation.  I've used their products in the past.  Ran 
50,000 miles in a VW TDI without an oil change - just a bypass filter.

Brian
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:03:53 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

Hi Mitch -
Thanks for the comments -

BTW, What makes you think Amsoil is owned by M1?

Thanks
Larry
91 300D

In God We Trust

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

 Larry T wrote:

I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always 
 had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with 
 over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes 
 the filter every other test.


 I believe Amsoil is made by Mobil. I suspect that as M1 went from a group 
 IV product to a group III/IV product that Amsoil may have stuck with group 
 IV.

 Your semi rig sounds like it's using some sort of depth filter and not 
 changing the oil? Any oil would perform well when kept extremely clean 
 (but if I were not planning on changing the oil, I'd use the best I could 
 buy too).

 Johnny Berryman became an Amsoil dealer when M1/Delvac1 became too much of 
 a hassle to find several years ago when he was on this list or the Sexton 
 list.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

Larry T wrote:

Hi Mitch -
Thanks for the comments -

BTW, What makes you think Amsoil is owned by M1?


Made by Mobil for Amsoil, which has no production facility.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Larry T]

Hi Max -
Good idea -

I'm thinking about that - their oil is not cheap and becoming a distr helps 
a bit - I think the per/qt prices drops ~$2.  for distributors -


I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a 
$1/qt discount.  I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1.  My meager profit 
would pay the yearly distributor fee...


Hm.

Take care -- 
Larry



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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


Larry - I've been thinking the same thing - if NAPA didn't have the M1
sale going on right now I'd be barking up the Amsoil tree.

Maybe you should become the distro agent for this list?

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:37 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil

Hi Gang  -- 
   I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to

mention
it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central
Va)
and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went to
5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels pre-07

they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval.
I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

   I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's
always
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with
over
400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
filter every other test.

   Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can
limit
the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91
300D with 185K Miles 

Thx
LarryT
91 300D


 In God We Trust


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

If the price is right, I need about 16 qts/year.

-Max 

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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

Hi Max -
Good idea -

I'm thinking about that - their oil is not cheap and becoming a distr
helps a bit - I think the per/qt prices drops ~$2.  for distributors -

I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a
$1/qt discount.  I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1.  My meager profit
would pay the yearly distributor fee...

Hm.

Take care --
Larry


In God We Trust

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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

 Larry - I've been thinking the same thing - if NAPA didn't have the M1
 sale going on right now I'd be barking up the Amsoil tree.

 Maybe you should become the distro agent for this list?

 -Max

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T
 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:37 AM
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil

 Hi Gang  -- 
I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to
 mention
 it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here
(Central
 Va)
 and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went
to
 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels
pre-07

 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval.
 I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's
 always
 had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor
with
 over
 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
 filter every other test.

Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can
 limit
 the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91
 300D with 185K Miles 

 Thx
 LarryT
 91 300D


  In God We Trust


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

Larry T wrote:

I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a 
$1/qt discount.  I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1.  My meager profit 
would pay the yearly distributor fee...


Do they drop-ship cases? Somebody buys a case of 4 gallons or whatever, and you 
have Amsoil ship it straight to them so you don't have to pay for shipping to 
you and to the end user?


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Brian Toscano]

Yes to drop ship.  The cost of a 6 month dealer membership is $10 and for a 
year is $20.  You can buy it online with your order.  I think AME 15w40 came 
out to a cost of $24-25/gal when I considered it about 2 weeks ago.

Brian
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:39:37 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

Larry T wrote:

 I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a 
 $1/qt discount.  I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1.  My meager profit 
 would pay the yearly distributor fee...

Do they drop-ship cases? Somebody buys a case of 4 gallons or whatever, and you 
have Amsoil ship it straight to them so you don't have to pay for shipping to 
you and to the end user?

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Mitch Haley]

Brian Toscano wrote:

Yes to drop ship.  The cost of a 6 month dealer membership is $10 and for a 
year is $20.  You can buy it online with your order.  I think AME 15w40 came 
out to a cost of $24-25/gal when I considered it about 2 weeks ago.



Cool. I'm happy with the $15-17 I've been paying for 5W40 Mobil at a local store 
this summer, but if I really wanted the best, or lived in one of the 40 states 
that don't have Meijer stores, I'd be interested in $24 Amsoil.


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Larry T]

Hi Max -- 
The 15W40 Syn Oil for older Diesels (pre-2007)  is what I plan to use for my 
'91 300D.   The price per qt looks like $8.35 retail, $6,35 my cost (as 
distributor), $7.35 your cost before shipping.  They also sell filters but 
they only have Mann filters for us - our normal source may work better 
(Rusty)  The Mann filters are $9.10 through Amsoil - will have to look at 
Rustys site to see price for his filters - ut IIRC they are cheaper.


But the big advantage of Amsoil is a quality product and consistant 
inventory.


Shipping is priced per pound.

Will let everyone know if I sign up as a Distributor  --

Take care -
LarryT
91 300D


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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


If the price is right, I need about 16 qts/year.

-Max

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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

Hi Max -
Good idea -

I'm thinking about that - their oil is not cheap and becoming a distr
helps a bit - I think the per/qt prices drops ~$2.  for distributors -

I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a
$1/qt discount.  I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1.  My meager profit
would pay the yearly distributor fee...

Hm.

Take care --
Larry


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil


Larry - I've been thinking the same thing - if NAPA didn't have the M1
sale going on right now I'd be barking up the Amsoil tree.

Maybe you should become the distro agent for this list?

-Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:37 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil

Hi Gang  -- 
   I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to

mention
it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here

(Central

Va)
and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went

to

5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels

pre-07


they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval.
I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

   I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's
always
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor

with

over
400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
filter every other test.

   Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can
limit
the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91
300D with 185K Miles 

Thx
LarryT
91 300D


 In God We Trust


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Jim Cathey]

The price per qt looks like $8.35 retail,


That's about what I paid per gallon for Delo last time.
Just change it more often...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid marketing 
system...

I'd like to dispute your M1 assertion first, #1 they didn't Go to 5w40 both 
the 5w40 and 15w50 have been available for years.

#2 at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME. Thats what the w40 
means...

When the engine is cold 5w40 will flow to the bearings more quickly because its 
thinner than 15w40.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:50 -0400
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil
Message-ID: 75a0585e5b924844afee23a386036...@laptop
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
    reply-type=original

Hi Gang  -- 
    I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention 
it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va) 
and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went to 
5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels pre-07 
they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. 
I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

    I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always 
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 
400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the 
filter every other test.

    Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can limit 
the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91 300D 
with 185K Miles 

Thx
LarryT
91 300D




  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

Isn't the change in M1's formulation an unfounded rumor? I seem to remember 
researching that some time ago (from another hotel room, I'm in Silver Spring, 
MD today) and having Mobil reply that M1 is a Group IV oil...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:59:03 -0400
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Message-ID: 4c726287.7040...@voyager.net
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Larry T wrote:

    I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always 
 had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with 
 over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes 
 the filter every other test.
 

I believe Amsoil is made by Mobil. I suspect that as M1 went from a group IV 
product to a group III/IV product that Amsoil may have stuck with group IV.

Your semi rig sounds like it's using some sort of depth filter and not changing 
the oil? Any oil would perform well when kept extremely clean (but if I were 
not 
planning on changing the oil, I'd use the best I could buy too).

Johnny Berryman became an Amsoil dealer when M1/Delvac1 became too much of a 
hassle to find several years ago when he was on this list or the Sexton list.

Mitch.




  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

Week before last Car Quest had Buy 4 get one free on Mobil 1. It was (IIRC) 
$7.20 a quart but:
4x $7.20 = $28.80
But you really get 5 quarts so your actual price is
$28.80/5 = $5.76
Which is a per gallon price of $23.04

-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:51:51 -0400
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Message-ID: 4c726ee7.6080...@voyager.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Brian Toscano wrote:

Yes to drop ship.  The cost of a 6 month dealer membership is $10 and
for a year is $20.  You can buy it online with your order.  I think AME
15w40 came out to a cost of $24-25/gal when I considered it about 2
weeks ago.


Cool. I'm happy with the $15-17 I've been paying for 5W40 Mobil at a local 
store 
this summer, but if I really wanted the best, or lived in one of the 40 states 
that don't have Meijer stores, I'd be interested in $24 Amsoil.



  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Curt Raymond]

I was paying a little less for Car Quest house brand I was using in Hammie the 
'83 240D until a busted oil cooler line ended the low buck fun.
However in the winter time I was having the occasional iffy start. Dwight's 
240D (once I buy it) will get M1 5w40 for the winter to ensure easy peasy cold 
starts.

Oh, it'll get a block heater too, the 5w40 is for returning home...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:56:21 -0700
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
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 The price per qt looks like $8.35 retail,

That's about what I paid per gallon for Delo last time.
Just change it more often...

-- Jim


  
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Dieselhead]

In theory you are right, that at operating temp, the oil should 
perform the same.


In practice, it is a little different.  The 0w-40 is made from a 
lower viscosity base than   the 15w-40.  0w-40 is thinner at Op temp, 
and tends to create more lifter noise on OM60x engines.   That is why 
Herr Doktor said not to use a 0w- or 5w- oil in OM60x or OM617 
engines.



I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid 
marketing system...


I'd like to dispute your M1 assertion first, #1 they didn't Go to 
5w40 both the 5w40 and 15w50 have been available for years.


#2 at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME. Thats what 
the w40 means...


When the engine is cold 5w40 will flow to the bearings more quickly 
because its thinner than 15w40.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:50 -0400
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil
Message-ID: 75a0585e5b924844afee23a386036...@laptop
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original

Hi Gang  --
I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention
it again.   M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va)
and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil.  Especially since M1 went to
5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff.   For Diesels pre-07
they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval.
I'll probably go around 2X's the interval.

I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always
had excellent results.   One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over
400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly.  IIRC he changes the
filter every other test.

Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil?   Maybe we can limit
the discussion to this topic?  ;-)  Thinking about using it in my '91 300D
with 185K Miles 

Thx
LarryT
91 300D




 
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid marketing 
 system...


I heard some grizzled old-timer at a hot rod show refer to it as
Amway oil once.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[OK Don]

I thought Herr Doktor siad the 5w-40 was fine, it was the 0W-40 that was not
recommended. I'm using the 5w-40 in my 60x engines, and have not experienced
lifter noise. I put 15w-50 in teh 300E to try to get the oil pressure
reading above 0 at a hot idle, but it made no difference.

I also remember that Amsoil is built on M1 stock, but with their won
additive package. I would not hesitate to use it ig it were more available
than M1.

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 In theory you are right, that at operating temp, the oil should perform the
 same.

 In practice, it is a little different.  The 0w-40 is made from a lower
 viscosity base than   the 15w-40.  0w-40 is thinner at Op temp, and tends to
 create more lifter noise on OM60x engines.   That is why Herr Doktor said
 not to use a 0w- or 5w- oil in OM60x or OM617 engines.


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Peter Frederick]

I have low oil pressure hot on the TE, but I suspect the sender, not  
the oil pressure.  No lifter rattle, which those engines are prone to  
at any rate, so I don't believe the pressure is actually low.


Just have to get out there on a day when it's less than 105 heat  
index and screw it in.  The car lives on 10W 30 or 15W 50 M1.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil sales

[RELNGSON]

I have the same opinion of Amsoil. They make a good product but their
marketing plan is just short of criminal.

Well, yes, but if you sell enough you might get a pink Cadillac.

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Tom Hargrave]

Larry,

I don't trust any oil manufacturer who claims that you can run their product
in my car for 1,000,000 miles. I also don't trust any company (oil or
otherwise) who uses testimonials to market their product. Testimonials are a
sure sign that they can't support their claims with verifiable, statistical
data.

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Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil

Does anyone have any comments good or bad about Amsoil?  I've read the 
literature and it really sounds good.  Unlike other oil companies, Amsoil 
will actually teell you extended oil changes are acceptable.

Need your input -  what do ya'll think??

TIA -

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Allan Streib]

LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Does anyone have any comments good or bad about Amsoil?  I've read
 the literature and it really sounds good.  Unlike other oil
 companies, Amsoil will actually teell you extended oil changes are
 acceptable.

Some Mobil-1 formulations are now being promoted as extended change
(up to 15K miles I think).

Last I heard, Amsoil buys their base stock from Exxon/Mobil, it is
basically Mobil-1 oil with Amsoil's additive package.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[Peter Frederick]

Excellent oil, but rather pricey.  Do not do extended service intervals 
without oil analysis, it's too risky.

May or may not be better than Mobil 1, that's a debate I don't have 
much real information on, but you surely won't do worse than spend more 
money than you should with it, it's not gonna hurt anything.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[OK Don]

I see two options - both cost money. You can change oil at the
recommended intervals, or test your oil, and change it when it needs
it. The testing is not free, so you might not save any money. I
haven't done the calculations - I just want to know what's happening,
like to collect too many numbers, so I have mine analyzed and change
as needed. I see no problem with either method, it's a personal
choice.
From what I've read (most of it on this list), I think that both Mobil
1 and Amsoil are great oils for our engines. Use what you can find
easily in your area. I do think that trying to save a few dollars on
oil is false economy.

On 6/22/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Say what you want, but I run Mobil1 in both my cars
 and motorcycle, and I continue to observe the
 manufacturer's recommended change intervals.  Yes,
 it's more expensive, but it's a very small price to
 pay in the grand scheme of things, especially when you
 consider the potential consequences should things go
 south.

 FWIW, Mobil1 20W-50 for motorcycles is about
 $9.00/quart.

 Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil

[LWB250]

Say what you want, but I run Mobil1 in both my cars
and motorcycle, and I continue to observe the
manufacturer's recommended change intervals.  Yes,
it's more expensive, but it's a very small price to
pay in the grand scheme of things, especially when you
consider the potential consequences should things go
south.

FWIW, Mobil1 20W-50 for motorcycles is about
$9.00/quart.

Dan


--- Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Excellent oil, but rather pricey.  Do not do
 extended service intervals 
 without oil analysis, it's too risky.
 
 May or may not be better than Mobil 1, that's a
 debate I don't have 
 much real information on, but you surely won't do
 worse than spend more 
 money than you should with it, it's not gonna hurt
 anything.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil stories (was: Re: Frybird; why? (was: Re: To Veggie or Not))

[ernest breakfield]

hi Rory!

   thanks for clarifying; that's more like what i thought.

   a bypass filtration system, and 3 fresh filters with 4 fresh quarts
over 21K miles sounds a lot more believable.   ;-)


cheers!
e


 Well I guess I should of made it more clear, no it is not all the same
oil but I have not drained it either. When I change out the filters I
loose about 1 to 2 qts depends on if I'm doing both filters. I change
the full flow at 7k miles and the bypass filter at 21k miles and try to
run a sample every 14k miles. And I loose some oil due to blowby. I have
a 97 Dodge Ram 3500 with Cummins 5.9 making about 350 RWHP. Im using
15W-40 oil in the truck.

 Sorry for the miss-leading statement.

 Rory

 On 9/11/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi Rory!

are you trying to say you've used the same oil for 180K miles without
 adding any and without any additional filtration systems?
every time i've heard a claim like this it seems there's more to the
 story; they're using an extensive external auxiliary filtration system
and/or changing filters frequently and topping off with a quart (or
more) to make up for the oil in the filter(s), effectively changing the
oil bit by bit anyway.

if this claim is one you want to stick to, lets hear the prof [sic]
 and the rest of the detail; vehicle, fuel type, oil type used,
 filtration systems, maintenance sked, and all the rest that might be
relevant.
i've heard enough stories like this that have been fairly well
 debunked
 with a more in-depth look, so forgive me if i'm more than a little
skeptical.


 cheers!
 e


  Ernest and the rest,
  I've seen the others level of so called expertise and Chris Goodwin
has it done right.
  Yeah you could spend less and maybe make it work.
  Oh and as far as the Amsoil comment goes it works for me and I have
the prof over 180k miles on the same oil and samples keep coming back
good.
 
  But like I tell people, use whatever you want it's your car/truck
 
 
  Have a good weekend.
 
  R-
 
 
 
  On 9/9/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  (i'm somewhat hesitant to ask this of someone who has the cult-oil
Amsoil in their very e-mail address, but i'll bite anyway;)
 
 you say Frybird is the best; in light of the many opinions here
 and
  elsewhere to the contrary, would you care to explain why you'd say
that?
 
 
  cheers!
  e
 
 
   Frybrid systems are the best hands down, PERIOD.
  
   Yeah the searching part is the hardest if I'm going to buy a 190D
 5Sp.
  
   R-

Re: [MBZ] Amsoil stories (was: Re: Frybird; why? (was: Re: To Veggie or Not))

[Rory]

Amazing when you get the whole story. But I do still belive in
synthetics, just wonder how these older MBZ take to it. I know that I
might get more leaks which is normal with synthetic oils. Now all I
need is 190D, the hunts is on.


Rory

On 9/11/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hi Rory!

   thanks for clarifying; that's more like what i thought.

   a bypass filtration system, and 3 fresh filters with 4 fresh quarts
over 21K miles sounds a lot more believable.   ;-)


cheers!
e


 Well I guess I should of made it more clear, no it is not all the same
oil but I have not drained it either. When I change out the filters I
loose about 1 to 2 qts depends on if I'm doing both filters. I change
the full flow at 7k miles and the bypass filter at 21k miles and try to
run a sample every 14k miles. And I loose some oil due to blowby. I have
a 97 Dodge Ram 3500 with Cummins 5.9 making about 350 RWHP. Im using
15W-40 oil in the truck.

 Sorry for the miss-leading statement.

 Rory

 On 9/11/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi Rory!

are you trying to say you've used the same oil for 180K miles without
 adding any and without any additional filtration systems?
every time i've heard a claim like this it seems there's more to the
 story; they're using an extensive external auxiliary filtration system
and/or changing filters frequently and topping off with a quart (or
more) to make up for the oil in the filter(s), effectively changing the
oil bit by bit anyway.

if this claim is one you want to stick to, lets hear the prof [sic]
 and the rest of the detail; vehicle, fuel type, oil type used,
 filtration systems, maintenance sked, and all the rest that might be
relevant.
i've heard enough stories like this that have been fairly well
 debunked
 with a more in-depth look, so forgive me if i'm more than a little
skeptical.


 cheers!
 e


  Ernest and the rest,
  I've seen the others level of so called expertise and Chris Goodwin
has it done right.
  Yeah you could spend less and maybe make it work.
  Oh and as far as the Amsoil comment goes it works for me and I have
the prof over 180k miles on the same oil and samples keep coming back
good.
 
  But like I tell people, use whatever you want it's your car/truck
 
 
  Have a good weekend.
 
  R-
 
 
 
  On 9/9/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  (i'm somewhat hesitant to ask this of someone who has the cult-oil
Amsoil in their very e-mail address, but i'll bite anyway;)
 
 you say Frybird is the best; in light of the many opinions here
 and
  elsewhere to the contrary, would you care to explain why you'd say
that?
 
 
  cheers!
  e
 
 
   Frybrid systems are the best hands down, PERIOD.
  
   Yeah the searching part is the hardest if I'm going to buy a 190D
 5Sp.
  
   R-






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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil stories (was: Re: Frybird; why? (was: Re: To Veggie or Not))

[Tom Hargrave]

I ran a Mercedes 300E 50,000 miles on Mobil-1 with 5,000 oil changes. With
added 2 quarts oil every 5K to replace consumption, the oil age calculated
to:

Filter
Change   Average Oil Age
 5,000   3,333
10,000   5,555
15,000   7,037
20,000   8,025
25,000   8,683
30,000   9,122
35,000   9,415
40,000   9,610
45,000   9,740
50,000   9,827

At 50K, I got scared  changed the oil but it was still a light caramel
color and oil analysis showed nothing abnormal. If I'd continued, the
average age would have looked like:

55,000   9,884
60,000   9,923
65,000   9,948
70,000   9,965
75,000   9,976
80,000   9,984
85,000   9,989
90,000   9,992
95,000   9,994
100,000  9,996

My point is, with changing the filter  replacing 2 quarts of oil every 5000
miles, the oil age slows down when approaching 100,000 miles and the average
oil age never crosses 10,000 miles. And Mobil 1 does fine at 10,000 miles.
So, why bother with more expensive Amsoil and an extravagant filtration
system? Why not just do this with Mobil 1 and good filters?


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of ernest breakfield
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:29 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil stories (was: Re: Frybird; why? (was: Re: To
Veggie or Not))

hi Rory!

   thanks for clarifying; that's more like what i thought.

   a bypass filtration system, and 3 fresh filters with 4 fresh quarts
over 21K miles sounds a lot more believable.   ;-)


cheers!
e


 Well I guess I should of made it more clear, no it is not all the same
oil but I have not drained it either. When I change out the filters I loose
about 1 to 2 qts depends on if I'm doing both filters. I change the full
flow at 7k miles and the bypass filter at 21k miles and try to run a sample
every 14k miles. And I loose some oil due to blowby. I have a 97 Dodge Ram
3500 with Cummins 5.9 making about 350 RWHP. Im using 15W-40 oil in the
truck.

 Sorry for the miss-leading statement.

 Rory

 On 9/11/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi Rory!

are you trying to say you've used the same oil for 180K miles 
 without adding any and without any additional filtration systems?
every time i've heard a claim like this it seems there's more to 
 the story; they're using an extensive external auxiliary filtration 
 system
and/or changing filters frequently and topping off with a quart (or
more) to make up for the oil in the filter(s), effectively changing the oil
bit by bit anyway.

if this claim is one you want to stick to, lets hear the prof 
 [sic] and the rest of the detail; vehicle, fuel type, oil type used, 
 filtration systems, maintenance sked, and all the rest that might be
relevant.
i've heard enough stories like this that have been fairly well 
 debunked with a more in-depth look, so forgive me if i'm more than a 
 little
skeptical.


 cheers!
 e


  Ernest and the rest,
  I've seen the others level of so called expertise and Chris Goodwin
has it done right.
  Yeah you could spend less and maybe make it work.
  Oh and as far as the Amsoil comment goes it works for me and I have
the prof over 180k miles on the same oil and samples keep coming back good.
 
  But like I tell people, use whatever you want it's your car/truck
 
 
  Have a good weekend.
 
  R-
 
 
 
  On 9/9/06, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  (i'm somewhat hesitant to ask this of someone who has the cult-oil
Amsoil in their very e-mail address, but i'll bite anyway;)
 
 you say Frybird is the best; in light of the many opinions here
 and
  elsewhere to the contrary, would you care to explain why you'd say
that?
 
 
  cheers!
  e
 
 
   Frybrid systems are the best hands down, PERIOD.
  
   Yeah the searching part is the hardest if I'm going to buy a 
   190D
 5Sp.
  
   R-






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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil stories (was: Re: Frybird; why? (was: Re: To Veggie or Not))

[Jim Cathey]

Now all I need is 190D, the hunts is on.


It's funny how much weaker and less torquey the 190D feels than the
old 115 200D.  I actually prefer the general drivability of the 200D,
at least for local trips.  But 10mpg extra is 10mpg extra.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Amsoil stories (was: Re: Frybird; why? (was: Re: To Veggie or Not))

[Rory]

If I was driving a short distance then I'd go for the 300's but my
round trip is over 120 miles.
Found one at dealer lot in San Leandro but the advert is not sure if
it's 240 or 190dealers!

R-

On 9/11/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now all I need is 190D, the hunts is on.

It's funny how much weaker and less torquey the 190D feels than the
old 115 200D.  I actually prefer the general drivability of the 200D,
at least for local trips.  But 10mpg extra is 10mpg extra.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil verse Mobil 1

[Marshall Booth]

Tom Scordato wrote:
I know this has been beat to death,time and time again but I am have trouble 
getting synthetic Mobil 1 for the weight I need at Wally World or the other 
auto places.  I would love to find the M! 5w-40 but can not seem to find it. 
I have been running the 15w-50 M1 extended service now that I cannot get it 
in the standard Synthetic mode, but that is getting tough to get.  Can you 
order non stocked stuff from Wally world web page??


Any one can coment on the AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy Duty Diesel  Marine Motor 
Oil (AME) and how that holds up.  It is a 15w-40 weight.  Anyone have any 
luck with this oil?


 Marshall please chime in.  Everything I read is written by AMSOIL so it 
seems somewhat slanted when comparing Mobil 1 in Amsoils favor


Tom, Mobil supplies the base stock to Amsoil. The Mobil tribologists 
I've talked with are very complementary about Amsoil. They point out 
that the Amsoil synthetics are VERY good oil - even better than Mobil 
for SOME special applications. It has NO advantage over Mobil for use in 
YOUR engine - and it is more expensive than MOBIL.


Mobil 1 15W-50 Ext is fine. I prefer Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5W-40 because 
it's cheaper. Mobil 1 0W-40 is also fine but I'd probably mix 0W-40 and 
15W-50 (probably not necessary).


Marshall
--
  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
  der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] Amsoil verse Mobil 1

[Tom Scordato]

Marshal said

 Tom, Mobil supplies the base stock to Amsoil. The Mobil tribologists

I've talked with are very complementary about Amsoil. They point out
that the Amsoil synthetics are VERY good oil - even better than Mobil
for SOME special applications. It has NO advantage over Mobil for use in
YOUR engine - and it is more expensive than MOBIL.

Mobil 1 15W-50 Ext is fine. I prefer Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5W-40 because
it's cheaper. Mobil 1 0W-40 is also fine but I'd probably mix 0W-40 and
15W-50 (probably not necessary).


Thanks Marshall for the information.

It is hard to find the non extended oils at Walmart or other suppliers up 
here near State College.  I just changed oil in my 240D with the 15w-50 M1 
extended.  (prevoius owner used only standard oil)


About a year ago Wal-Mart quite carrying the non extended M1 (with the red 
cap) in that weight.  Everything else is 30 weight.  Ah it is ok with the 
price of fuel a few extra $ every oil change will not kill me.


Regards
Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1977 300d 261K miles
1979 240D 76K miles

Regards Tom
- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil verse Mobil 1



Tom Scordato wrote:
I know this has been beat to death,time and time again but I am have 
trouble
getting synthetic Mobil 1 for the weight I need at Wally World or the 
other
auto places.  I would love to find the M! 5w-40 but can not seem to find 
it.
I have been running the 15w-50 M1 extended service now that I cannot get 
it
in the standard Synthetic mode, but that is getting tough to get.  Can 
you

order non stocked stuff from Wally world web page??

Any one can coment on the AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy Duty Diesel  Marine 
Motor

Oil (AME) and how that holds up.  It is a 15w-40 weight.  Anyone have any
luck with this oil?

 Marshall please chime in.  Everything I read is written by AMSOIL so it
seems somewhat slanted when comparing Mobil 1 in Amsoils favor


Tom, Mobil supplies the base stock to Amsoil. The Mobil tribologists
I've talked with are very complementary about Amsoil. They point out
that the Amsoil synthetics are VERY good oil - even better than Mobil
for SOME special applications. It has NO advantage over Mobil for use in
YOUR engine - and it is more expensive than MOBIL.

Mobil 1 15W-50 Ext is fine. I prefer Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5W-40 because
it's cheaper. Mobil 1 0W-40 is also fine but I'd probably mix 0W-40 and
15W-50 (probably not necessary).

Marshall
--
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  der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi

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