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Balboa 20 (twenty feet long) sail boat, made in about 1973.  Has a swing
keel so it can be easily put onto a boat trailer.  Sailing on Charleston
harbor is such a joy, no better way to spend a summer day in my opinion.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What sort of boat do you tow?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

2017-05-15 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


What sort of boat do you tow?

RB

On 15/05/2017 11:47 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Pretty much yes, in my Wagon.  Carries me to/from work, carries the family
on vacation, tows the boat.  Plenty of room to load up SWMBO, SWMBette, 2x
cats, a couple suitcases, and tow the boat behind during evacuation.

Distance is not the issue, it is time.  Just getting from Chucktown to
Columbia (about 110 miles) can take 12-24 hours, due to the unbelievable
traffic jam.  That's mostly spent at idle, AC blasting, waiting for the
line of cars to move.  I would imagine that an electric car would require 3
to 5 or more recharges in order to do that.

Yes, one generally has at least a few days warning, but that can happen
several times each summer (once we had EIGHT such warnings in a summer).
Jumping in the car and evacuating BEFORE the roads get clogged up into a
huge mess means that you'd probably be evacuating several times each
summer.  Not very realistic.

And yes, last I checked, folks died here in Chucktown when Floyd (the
hurricane) paid a visit, just like they died in N'olans (Bush's fault in
case anyone forgot).

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Again, you've got one car that fits all your needs?

How far do you bug out when a hurricane comes through? Don't you have days
of warning?

Lots of people don't have a car at all, they don't seem to just die.




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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

2017-05-15 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

Florida is majorly messed up when it comes to energy and utilities.

Until recently in Florida the only entities that could "sell" power were the 
utilities. This was how they squashed any attempts at net metering.  This has 
since been changed as of the election last year when an amendment to the state 
constitution was ratified by the voters, effectively ending the utilities' 
choke hold on the control of electrical power in the state.

They're still trying to screw us, the most recent effort being a bill that 
would have allowed them to charge rate payers for exploratory energy 
development efforts, whether or not they yielded results. In other words, rate 
payers would be on the hook for the cost to do exploratory drilling outside of 
Florida. If the efforts were unsuccessful, the rate payers would eat the costs.

Hardly an equitable arrangement for the rate payers. Nice if you're a 
stockholder, however 

-D

> On May 15, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Just pump your PV power into the grid all day when the grid needs power the 
> most. Suck back off the grid at night when demand is lowest...
> If you can get net metering and get paid demand rate during the day when 
> rates are highest and then only pay slack rate at night you could come out 
> ahead.
> It just occured to me, one of the ways the utilities screw people with PV 
> arrays is they pay only wholesale rates to buy power off your array but 
> charge full residential rates when you use energy of the grid. They claim all 
> suppliers get paid the same rate. It seems like the counter argument to this 
> is that if I'm a wholesale supplier I should also be considered a wholesale 
> customer...
> Actually the prime way some utilities get to screw with people is that they 
> don't pay anything when you're spinning the meter backward. That way if you 
> end up with net production the utility gets it for free. One of them, I think 
> it was in Florida, claimed it wasn't possible to meter and pay people for net 
> production even though in other parts of the country, New England for 
> instance, its the standard.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
> 
> To me, an EV would make the most sense if you own a dedicated bank of solar 
> panels you could use to charge a spare battery(ies) during the day, then swap 
> out at night.  Does such a vehicle exist yet?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Just pump your PV power into the grid all day when the grid needs power the 
most. Suck back off the grid at night when demand is lowest...
If you can get net metering and get paid demand rate during the day when rates 
are highest and then only pay slack rate at night you could come out ahead.
It just occured to me, one of the ways the utilities screw people with PV 
arrays is they pay only wholesale rates to buy power off your array but charge 
full residential rates when you use energy of the grid. They claim all 
suppliers get paid the same rate. It seems like the counter argument to this is 
that if I'm a wholesale supplier I should also be considered a wholesale 
customer...
Actually the prime way some utilities get to screw with people is that they 
don't pay anything when you're spinning the meter backward. That way if you end 
up with net production the utility gets it for free. One of them, I think it 
was in Florida, claimed it wasn't possible to meter and pay people for net 
production even though in other parts of the country, New England for instance, 
its the standard.
-Curt

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 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
   
To me, an EV would make the most sense if you own a dedicated bank of solar 
panels you could use to charge a spare battery(ies) during the day, then swap 
out at night.  Does such a vehicle exist yet?
   
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

2017-05-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

To me, an EV would make the most sense if you own a dedicated bank of solar
panels you could use to charge a spare battery(ies) during the day, then
swap out at night.  Does such a vehicle exist yet?

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Uhh I suspect that many, if not the majority of people have two cars that
> the bank owns...With an electric car you'd almost certainly lease, if you
> think about how far electric cars have come in the last 5 years it'd be
> silly to buy one, the next generation which includes the cheap Tesla and
> the Chevy Bolt are looking to be much better than the previous. I'll also
> note how surprised (and pleased) I am to see Chevy out in front on this.
> They really stumbled on the hybrid game coming late to the party with a car
> that was poorly named that nobody understands. I know a couple people that
> own a Volt and love them.
> We probably will look at an electric car for Angie in the future depending
> on where my job prospects take us. For now its been more cost effective for
> us to troll the bottom end of the diesel car market. Mostly haven't done it
> because her car is really my backup car and because an electric doesn't fit
> my commute. Also we don't have 220v in the garage which would limit us to
> the slw 110v charger. I want 220v in the garage for a better welder and
> compressor anyway, its already in the long term plan.
> The Golf is absolutely not a smelly diesel, it does belch a little black
> smoke on startup but once the turbo is spinning and the cat is warm it
> makes kind of a pleasant odor very unlike a gas car or older diesel.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
>
> for most folks, the "second car" is not a $$$,$$$ Lektrick, but it is the
> old car that was replaced when a new car was acquired.  few people can
> afford $400/500/mo car payments x 2.  Lektrick does not make economic sense
> unless you do over 90% of driving within a 20  mile radius, as you say.  If
> it makes so much sense for SWMBO to drive one, why don't you have one
> already in place of making her put up with a stinky, smelly old cheap
> Diesel?   We already know the answer:  It is $!
>
>
>Curt Raymond via Mercedes  May 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM  In a 2 car
> household there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again using us as
> an example an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip
> commute well (a Tesla would but not on the affordability front) but it does
> for my wife. In a bug-out situation we could of course revert to the more
> practical choice.
> What I don't understand about the whole thing is that the "electric cars
> aren't good" crowd seems to always rely on the "it doesn't work in every
> situation" argument which is clearly bogus thinking. An MB sedan is a
> lovely car but I can't put half a cord of firewood in it while towing my
> loader on a trailer behind it. You use the right machine for the job at
> hand...
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
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2017-05-15 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Curt wrote:

> What I don't understand about the whole thing is that
> the "electric cars aren't good" crowd seems to always rely on
> the "it doesn't work in every situation" argument which is
> clearly bogus thinking. An MB sedan is a lovely car but I can't
> put half a cord of firewood in it while towing my loader on a
> trailer behind it. You use the right machine for the job at
> hand... 

True.

But the pro-electric crowd is touting "electric for everything" -
so is guilty of the same error.

I very much do NOT live in a city - but I can't think of anyone I
know personally that would be able to only have electric cars and
not also have to noticeable change their lifestyle.  

However, many could benefit from including an electric.  But that
means multiple cars.  Believe it or not, not everyone has a yard
full of cars. *grin*

And from what I can tell, a well used electric is not a bargain as
it is ripe for an expensive battery replacement.  A 10-15 year old
liquid fuel car is much cheaper than new and still can have a lot
of life left.  I don't see that economic model working for
electrics...

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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

2017-05-15 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

I have been fascinated by people refurbishing the Prius' battery packs. While 
you have to be pretty detail oriented to be successful at it, it's well within 
the realm of a competent DIY'er.

With a marginal battery pack their values seem to be pretty low, making the 
acquisition costs somewhat reasonable with the costs to refurb batteries.

So who is going to become the list EV bottom feeder?

-D

> On May 15, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Uhh I suspect that many, if not the majority of people have two cars that the 
> bank owns...With an electric car you'd almost certainly lease, if you think 
> about how far electric cars have come in the last 5 years it'd be silly to 
> buy one, the next generation which includes the cheap Tesla and the Chevy 
> Bolt are looking to be much better than the previous. I'll also note how 
> surprised (and pleased) I am to see Chevy out in front on this. They really 
> stumbled on the hybrid game coming late to the party with a car that was 
> poorly named that nobody understands. I know a couple people that own a Volt 
> and love them.
> We probably will look at an electric car for Angie in the future depending on 
> where my job prospects take us. For now its been more cost effective for us 
> to troll the bottom end of the diesel car market. Mostly haven't done it 
> because her car is really my backup car and because an electric doesn't fit 
> my commute. Also we don't have 220v in the garage which would limit us to the 
> slw 110v charger. I want 220v in the garage for a better welder and 
> compressor anyway, its already in the long term plan.
> The Golf is absolutely not a smelly diesel, it does belch a little black 
> smoke on startup but once the turbo is spinning and the cat is warm it makes 
> kind of a pleasant odor very unlike a gas car or older diesel.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
> 
> for most folks, the "second car" is not a $$$,$$$ Lektrick, but it is the old 
> car that was replaced when a new car was acquired.  few people can afford 
> $400/500/mo car payments x 2.  Lektrick does not make economic sense unless 
> you do over 90% of driving within a 20  mile radius, as you say.  If it makes 
> so much sense for SWMBO to drive one, why don't you have one already in place 
> of making her put up with a stinky, smelly old cheap Diesel?   We already 
> know the answer:  It is $!
> 
> 
>   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  May 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM  In a 2 car household 
> there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again using us as an example 
> an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip commute well 


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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Pretty much yes, in my Wagon.  Carries me to/from work, carries the family
on vacation, tows the boat.  Plenty of room to load up SWMBO, SWMBette, 2x
cats, a couple suitcases, and tow the boat behind during evacuation.

Distance is not the issue, it is time.  Just getting from Chucktown to
Columbia (about 110 miles) can take 12-24 hours, due to the unbelievable
traffic jam.  That's mostly spent at idle, AC blasting, waiting for the
line of cars to move.  I would imagine that an electric car would require 3
to 5 or more recharges in order to do that.

Yes, one generally has at least a few days warning, but that can happen
several times each summer (once we had EIGHT such warnings in a summer).
Jumping in the car and evacuating BEFORE the roads get clogged up into a
huge mess means that you'd probably be evacuating several times each
summer.  Not very realistic.

And yes, last I checked, folks died here in Chucktown when Floyd (the
hurricane) paid a visit, just like they died in N'olans (Bush's fault in
case anyone forgot).

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Again, you've got one car that fits all your needs?
>
> How far do you bug out when a hurricane comes through? Don't you have days
> of warning?
>
> Lots of people don't have a car at all, they don't seem to just die.
>
>
>
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Uhh I suspect that many, if not the majority of people have two cars that the 
bank owns...With an electric car you'd almost certainly lease, if you think 
about how far electric cars have come in the last 5 years it'd be silly to buy 
one, the next generation which includes the cheap Tesla and the Chevy Bolt are 
looking to be much better than the previous. I'll also note how surprised (and 
pleased) I am to see Chevy out in front on this. They really stumbled on the 
hybrid game coming late to the party with a car that was poorly named that 
nobody understands. I know a couple people that own a Volt and love them.
We probably will look at an electric car for Angie in the future depending on 
where my job prospects take us. For now its been more cost effective for us to 
troll the bottom end of the diesel car market. Mostly haven't done it because 
her car is really my backup car and because an electric doesn't fit my commute. 
Also we don't have 220v in the garage which would limit us to the slw 110v 
charger. I want 220v in the garage for a better welder and compressor anyway, 
its already in the long term plan.
The Golf is absolutely not a smelly diesel, it does belch a little black smoke 
on startup but once the turbo is spinning and the cat is warm it makes kind of 
a pleasant odor very unlike a gas car or older diesel.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
   
for most folks, the "second car" is not a $$$,$$$ Lektrick, but it is the old 
car that was replaced when a new car was acquired.  few people can afford 
$400/500/mo car payments x 2.  Lektrick does not make economic sense unless you 
do over 90% of driving within a 20  mile radius, as you say.  If it makes so 
much sense for SWMBO to drive one, why don't you have one already in place of 
making her put up with a stinky, smelly old cheap Diesel?   We already know the 
answer:  It is $!


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  May 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM  In a 2 car household 
there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again using us as an example an 
electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip commute well (a Tesla would but 
not on the affordability front) but it does for my wife. In a bug-out situation 
we could of course revert to the more practical choice.
What I don't understand about the whole thing is that the "electric cars aren't 
good" crowd seems to always rely on the "it doesn't work in every situation" 
argument which is clearly bogus thinking. An MB sedan is a lovely car but I 
can't put half a cord of firewood in it while towing my loader on a trailer 
behind it. You use the right machine for the job at hand...
-Curt




   
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+1   which is why i believe they should have a noisemaker.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
May 15, 2017 at 10:47 AM
I see Teslas coming and going from the gated luxury golf lifestyle 
resort community quite often.  They are nice looking cars styling 
wise, which I guess is part of the lifestyle.


On another note in the last few days I have almost gotten run over 
twice by Prii being driven at a (fast) low speed with no noise 
emissions.  No aural cues makes those things dangerous.


--FT




Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
May 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM
Here in hurricane country, electric cars are not viable to use in an
evacuation. The range is not there, and the infrastructure doesn't exist.
I don't think there will be a majority of electric cars in Cities 
along the

gulf coast or east coast below the Mason/Dixon line, not anytime soon
anyway.

During our last event, the State was able to set-up temporary road-side
"pit stops" that had fuel and porta-potties, so that evacuees could 
quickly

empty and refill as required, and continue their journey. To my knowledge,
no electric car can be re-charged for another 400 miles in ten minutes. A
hybrid like a Volt would suffice, but then we still need fossil fuels.

I see very few electric cars around here, and Charleston county voted for
Hillary. There are a couple of Tesla's. Volts are a little more common.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
May 15, 2017 at 9:58 AM
When I'm commuting I see an electric car about once a week. MA is a 
probably the third most blue state in the country (behind CA and NY) 
so its not that surprising. That puts the electric cars ahead of 
mid-engine cars which I see maybe once a month, but behind motorcycles 
with sidecars.
I think electric cars will become common in cities and busy suburbs, 
for instance here in MA I expect them to be very common within the I95 
belt that loops around Boston. They're also getting common in LA, I 
bet I see two or three every day there, about as often as you see a 
supercar like a Lambo.
A performance metric I'd like to see on an electric car is how many 
hours it can handle sitting still running the AC at 100F ambient while 
the cabin stays 72F.


-Curt


From: Ed Booher via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Yeah, see, I do think that there will be a tipping point and moving 
forward

*all* new cars will be electrically driven. The electric motors are just
too good at low end torque and such. However, I think the full on 
electrics

like Tesla will still be the rare bird and the fully electric, yet gas
generated hybrids like Chevy Volts will be the dominant factors.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <


Ed Booher via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
May 15, 2017 at 9:41 AM
Yeah, see, I do think that there will be a tipping point and moving 
forward

*all* new cars will be electrically driven. The electric motors are just
too good at low end torque and such. However, I think the full on 
electrics

like Tesla will still be the rare bird and the fully electric, yet gas
generated hybrids like Chevy Volts will be the dominant factors.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <


archer75--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
May 15, 2017 at 1:26 AM
All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert

No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere 
in the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport 
will switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices 
and the demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a 
century.


This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony 
Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking 
Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is 
causing spasms of anxiety in the established industries.

Tesla Model S electric car
Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction 
of the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost


Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They 
will switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are 
ten times cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero 
marginal cost of fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-cars-will-vanis

Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan


but you would be GREEEN!  (and dead.)

We all know Lektricks don't make no smog.




Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 10:39 AM
Well, when it doesn't work in a life or death situation, that's kinda big
with me. Why would I trade a tool that meets a major requirement of mine
for a tool that doesn't meet that requirement? I'd be a fool.

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Again, you've got one car that fits all your needs?
How far do you bug out when a hurricane comes through? Don't you have days of 
warning?
Lots of people don't have a car at all, they don't seem to just die.
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Well, when it doesn't work in a life or death situation, that's kinda big with 
me.  Why would I trade a tool that meets a major requirement of mine for a tool 
that doesn't meet that requirement?  I'd be a fool.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

In a 2 car household there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again 
using us as an example an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip 
commute well (a Tesla would but not on the affordability front) but it does for 
my wife. In a bug-out situation we could of course revert to the more practical 
choice.
What I don't understand about the whole thing is that the "electric cars aren't 
good" crowd seems to always rely on the "it doesn't work in every situation" 
argument which is clearly bogus thinking. An MB sedan is a lovely car but I 
can't put half a cord of firewood in it while towing my loader on a trailer 
behind it. You use the right machine for the job at hand...

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for most folks, the "second car" is not a $$$,$$$ Lektrick, but it is 
the old car that was replaced when a new car was acquired.  few people 
can afford $400/500/mo car payments x 2.  Lektrick does not make 
economic sense unless you do over 90% of driving within a 20  mile 
radius, as you say.  If it makes so much sense for SWMBO to drive one, 
why don't you have one already in place of making her put up with a 
stinky, smelly old cheap Diesel?   We already know the answer:  It is $!



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM
In a 2 car household there is great opportunity for an electric car. 
Again using us as an example an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile 
round trip commute well (a Tesla would but not on the affordability 
front) but it does for my wife. In a bug-out situation we could of 
course revert to the more practical choice.
What I don't understand about the whole thing is that the "electric 
cars aren't good" crowd seems to always rely on the "it doesn't work 
in every situation" argument which is clearly bogus thinking. An MB 
sedan is a lovely car but I can't put half a cord of firewood in it 
while towing my loader on a trailer behind it. You use the right 
machine for the job at hand...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

2017-05-15 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

I thought they had introduced some sort of clackata clackata device on
electrics

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I see Teslas coming and going from the gated luxury golf lifestyle resort
> community quite often.  They are nice looking cars styling wise, which I
> guess is part of the lifestyle.
>
> On another note in the last few days I have almost gotten run over twice
> by Prii being driven at a (fast) low speed with no noise emissions.  No
> aural cues makes those things dangerous.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 5/15/17 11:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Here in hurricane country, electric cars are not viable to use in an
>> evacuation.  The range is not there, and the infrastructure doesn't exist.
>> I don't think there will be a majority of electric cars in Cities along
>> the
>> gulf coast or east coast below the Mason/Dixon line, not anytime soon
>> anyway.
>>
>> During our last event, the State was able to set-up temporary road-side
>> "pit stops" that had fuel and porta-potties, so that evacuees could
>> quickly
>> empty and refill as required, and continue their journey.  To my
>> knowledge,
>> no electric car can be re-charged for another 400 miles in ten minutes.  A
>> hybrid like a Volt would suffice, but then we still need fossil fuels.
>>
>> I see very few electric cars around here, and Charleston county voted for
>> Hillary.  There are a couple of Tesla's.  Volts are a little more common.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> When I'm commuting I see an electric car about once a week. MA is a
>>> probably the third most blue state in the country (behind CA and NY) so
>>> its
>>> not that surprising. That puts the electric cars ahead of mid-engine cars
>>> which I see maybe once a month, but behind motorcycles with sidecars.
>>> I think electric cars will become common in cities and busy suburbs, for
>>> instance here in MA I expect them to be very common within the I95 belt
>>> that loops around Boston. They're also getting common in LA, I bet I see
>>> two or three every day there, about as often as you see a supercar like a
>>> Lambo.
>>> A performance metric I'd like to see on an electric car is how many hours
>>> it can handle sitting still running the AC at 100F ambient while the
>>> cabin
>>> stays 72F.
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Ed Booher via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>   To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
>>>   Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:42 AM
>>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
>>>
>>> Yeah, see, I do think that there will be a tipping point and moving
>>> forward
>>> *all* new cars will be electrically driven. The electric motors are just
>>> too good at low end torque and such. However, I think the full on
>>> electrics
>>> like Tesla will still be the rare bird and the fully electric, yet gas
>>> generated hybrids like Chevy Volts will be the dominant factors.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert
>>>>
>>>> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in
>>>> the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will
>>>> switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the
>>>> demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
>>>>
>>>> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
>>>> Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
>>>> Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing
>>>> spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
>>>> Tesla Model S electric car
>>>> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction
>>>> of
>>>> the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
>>>>
>>>> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They
>>>>
>>> will
>>>
>>>> switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten

Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

2017-05-15 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I see Teslas coming and going from the gated luxury golf lifestyle 
resort community quite often.  They are nice looking cars styling wise, 
which I guess is part of the lifestyle.


On another note in the last few days I have almost gotten run over twice 
by Prii being driven at a (fast) low speed with no noise emissions.  No 
aural cues makes those things dangerous.


--FT


On 5/15/17 11:08 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Here in hurricane country, electric cars are not viable to use in an
evacuation.  The range is not there, and the infrastructure doesn't exist.
I don't think there will be a majority of electric cars in Cities along the
gulf coast or east coast below the Mason/Dixon line, not anytime soon
anyway.

During our last event, the State was able to set-up temporary road-side
"pit stops" that had fuel and porta-potties, so that evacuees could quickly
empty and refill as required, and continue their journey.  To my knowledge,
no electric car can be re-charged for another 400 miles in ten minutes.  A
hybrid like a Volt would suffice, but then we still need fossil fuels.

I see very few electric cars around here, and Charleston county voted for
Hillary.  There are a couple of Tesla's.  Volts are a little more common.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


When I'm commuting I see an electric car about once a week. MA is a
probably the third most blue state in the country (behind CA and NY) so its
not that surprising. That puts the electric cars ahead of mid-engine cars
which I see maybe once a month, but behind motorcycles with sidecars.
I think electric cars will become common in cities and busy suburbs, for
instance here in MA I expect them to be very common within the I95 belt
that loops around Boston. They're also getting common in LA, I bet I see
two or three every day there, about as often as you see a supercar like a
Lambo.
A performance metric I'd like to see on an electric car is how many hours
it can handle sitting still running the AC at 100F ambient while the cabin
stays 72F.

-Curt


   From: Ed Booher via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Yeah, see, I do think that there will be a tipping point and moving forward
*all* new cars will be electrically driven. The electric motors are just
too good at low end torque and such. However, I think the full on electrics
like Tesla will still be the rare bird and the fully electric, yet gas
generated hybrids like Chevy Volts will be the dominant factors.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert

No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in
the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will
switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the
demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.

This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing
spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
Tesla Model S electric car
Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction of
the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost

Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They

will

switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times
cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of
fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-
cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/

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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Well, when it doesn't work in a life or death situation, that's kinda big
with me.  Why would I trade a tool that meets a major requirement of mine
for a tool that doesn't meet that requirement?  I'd be a fool.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> In a 2 car household there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again
> using us as an example an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip
> commute well (a Tesla would but not on the affordability front) but it
> does for my wife. In a bug-out situation we could of course revert to the
> more practical choice.
>
> What I don't understand about the whole thing is that the "electric cars
> aren't good" crowd seems to always rely on the "it doesn't work in every
> situation" argument which is clearly bogus thinking. An MB sedan is a
> lovely car but I can't put half a cord of firewood in it while towing my
> loader on a trailer behind it. You use the right machine for the job at
> hand...
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

In a 2 car household there is great opportunity for an electric car. Again 
using us as an example an electric car doesn't fit my 120 mile round trip 
commute well (a Tesla would but not on the affordability front) but it does for 
my wife. In a bug-out situation we could of course revert to the more practical 
choice.
What I don't understand about the whole thing is that the "electric cars aren't 
good" crowd seems to always rely on the "it doesn't work in every situation" 
argument which is clearly bogus thinking. An MB sedan is a lovely car but I 
can't put half a cord of firewood in it while towing my loader on a trailer 
behind it. You use the right machine for the job at hand...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Here in hurricane country, electric cars are not viable to use in an 
evacuation.  The range is not there, and the infrastructure doesn't exist.  I 
don't think there will be a majority of electric cars in Cities along the gulf 
coast or east coast below the Mason/Dixon line, not anytime soon anyway.

During our last event, the State was able to set-up temporary road-side "pit 
stops" that had fuel and porta-potties, so that evacuees could quickly empty 
and refill as required, and continue their journey.  To my knowledge, no 
electric car can be re-charged for another 400 miles in ten minutes.  A hybrid 
like a Volt would suffice, but then we still need fossil fuels.

I see very few electric cars around here, and Charleston county voted for 
Hillary.  There are a couple of Tesla's.  Volts are a little more common.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

When I'm commuting I see an electric car about once a week. MA is a probably 
the third most blue state in the country (behind CA and NY) so its not that 
surprising. That puts the electric cars ahead of mid-engine cars which I see 
maybe once a month, but behind motorcycles with sidecars.
I think electric cars will become common in cities and busy suburbs, for 
instance here in MA I expect them to be very common within the I95 belt that 
loops around Boston. They're also getting common in LA, I bet I see two or 
three every day there, about as often as you see a supercar like a Lambo.
A performance metric I'd like to see on an electric car is how many hours it 
can handle sitting still running the AC at 100F ambient while the cabin stays 
72F.

-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Yeah, see, I do think that there will be a tipping point and moving forward
*all* new cars will be electrically driven. The electric motors are just
too good at low end torque and such. However, I think the full on electrics
like Tesla will still be the rare bird and the fully electric, yet gas
generated hybrids like Chevy Volts will be the dominant factors.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert
>
> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in
> the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will
> switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the
> demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
>
> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
> Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
> Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing
> spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
> Tesla Model S electric car
> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction of
> the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
>
> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will
> switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times
> cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of
> fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ business/2017/05/14/petrol-
> cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us- report/
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Here in hurricane country, electric cars are not viable to use in an
evacuation.  The range is not there, and the infrastructure doesn't exist.
I don't think there will be a majority of electric cars in Cities along the
gulf coast or east coast below the Mason/Dixon line, not anytime soon
anyway.

During our last event, the State was able to set-up temporary road-side
"pit stops" that had fuel and porta-potties, so that evacuees could quickly
empty and refill as required, and continue their journey.  To my knowledge,
no electric car can be re-charged for another 400 miles in ten minutes.  A
hybrid like a Volt would suffice, but then we still need fossil fuels.

I see very few electric cars around here, and Charleston county voted for
Hillary.  There are a couple of Tesla's.  Volts are a little more common.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I'm commuting I see an electric car about once a week. MA is a
> probably the third most blue state in the country (behind CA and NY) so its
> not that surprising. That puts the electric cars ahead of mid-engine cars
> which I see maybe once a month, but behind motorcycles with sidecars.
> I think electric cars will become common in cities and busy suburbs, for
> instance here in MA I expect them to be very common within the I95 belt
> that loops around Boston. They're also getting common in LA, I bet I see
> two or three every day there, about as often as you see a supercar like a
> Lambo.
> A performance metric I'd like to see on an electric car is how many hours
> it can handle sitting still running the AC at 100F ambient while the cabin
> stays 72F.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Ed Booher via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:42 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan
>
> Yeah, see, I do think that there will be a tipping point and moving forward
> *all* new cars will be electrically driven. The electric motors are just
> too good at low end torque and such. However, I think the full on electrics
> like Tesla will still be the rare bird and the fully electric, yet gas
> generated hybrids like Chevy Volts will be the dominant factors.
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert
> >
> > No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in
> > the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will
> > switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the
> > demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
> >
> > This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
> > Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
> > Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing
> > spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
> > Tesla Model S electric car
> > Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction of
> > the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
> >
> > Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They
> will
> > switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times
> > cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of
> > fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
> >
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-
> > cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

When I'm commuting I see an electric car about once a week. MA is a probably 
the third most blue state in the country (behind CA and NY) so its not that 
surprising. That puts the electric cars ahead of mid-engine cars which I see 
maybe once a month, but behind motorcycles with sidecars.
I think electric cars will become common in cities and busy suburbs, for 
instance here in MA I expect them to be very common within the I95 belt that 
loops around Boston. They're also getting common in LA, I bet I see two or 
three every day there, about as often as you see a supercar like a Lambo.
A performance metric I'd like to see on an electric car is how many hours it 
can handle sitting still running the AC at 100F ambient while the cabin stays 
72F.

-Curt

  From: Ed Booher via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Ed Booher <edboo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Yeah, see, I do think that there will be a tipping point and moving forward
*all* new cars will be electrically driven. The electric motors are just
too good at low end torque and such. However, I think the full on electrics
like Tesla will still be the rare bird and the fully electric, yet gas
generated hybrids like Chevy Volts will be the dominant factors.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert
>
> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in
> the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will
> switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the
> demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
>
> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
> Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
> Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing
> spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
> Tesla Model S electric car
> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction of
> the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
>
> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will
> switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times
> cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of
> fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-
> cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

Thats the common anti-electric car argument but the fact is that most people 
rarely leave their town/city. The most I've ever done was 40,000 miles a year 
and I'm on the very high side of normal. Remember that most leases only include 
30,000 miles over 3 years.
Electric cars aren't for everybody and arguing that they are is like saying 
everybody needs an F350. My wife could commute quite happily in a Nissan Leaf, 
she drives 20 miles round trip sometimes twice a day if she takes the dog for a 
walk. That'd put her at 50% of the typical expected range of the car.
Charging stations are popping up at a surprising rate, our massage therapist 
has one for instance...
-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
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won't happen.  Lots of things use petroleum besides cars.  Trucks, 
trains, barges etc.  in 10 years they might account for 50%

But a 'lektrickmobile is good only for short trips.  No way the 
traveling salesman who puts on 50-100k a year can exist in a Lektrick cah.

This is liberal wishful thinking, same as the global warming tax scam
> archer75--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> May 15, 2017 at 1:26 AM
> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert
>
> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere 
> in the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport 
> will switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices 
> and the demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a 
> century.
>
> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony 
> Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking 
> Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is 
> causing spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
> Tesla Model S electric car
> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction 
> of the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
>
> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They 
> will switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are 
> ten times cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero 
> marginal cost of fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/

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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

The "collapse in the price of oil" would be a huge boon for farmers short term. 
If it could actually happen it might be a longer term disaster as gasoline and 
diesel became niche market stuff. Sort of like how camp gas is now, 50 - 60 
years ago you could buy it at the pump almost everywhere...
-Curt

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Yea right. That is stupid and wrong on so many levels. Are we going to get rid 
of airplanes also? How are we going to make all the products that are made from 
oil? Are all tractors and farm equipment going to be electric as well?

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> On May 15, 2017, at 1:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert 
> 
> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in the 
> world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will switch to 
> electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the demise of the 
> petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
> 
> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony Seba. 
> His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking Transportation 
> 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing spasms of anxiety 
> in the established industries.
> Tesla Model S electric car
> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction of the 
> purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
> 
> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will 
> switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times 
> cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of fuel 
> and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/
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2017-05-15 Thread Ed Booher via Mercedes

Yeah, see, I do think that there will be a tipping point and moving forward
*all* new cars will be electrically driven. The electric motors are just
too good at low end torque and such. However, I think the full on electrics
like Tesla will still be the rare bird and the fully electric, yet gas
generated hybrids like Chevy Volts will be the dominant factors.

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> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert
>
> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in
> the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will
> switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the
> demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
>
> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
> Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
> Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing
> spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
> Tesla Model S electric car
> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction of
> the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
>
> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will
> switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times
> cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of
> fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-
> cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/
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That is exactly the dream of the (J) side of the goobermnt.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
May 15, 2017 at 8:24 AM
A more realistic plan would be to put us all on bicycles.


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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Dan

won't happen. Lots of things use petroleum besides cars. Trucks,
trains, barges etc. in 10 years they might account for 50%

But a 'lektrickmobile is good only for short trips. No way the
traveling salesman who puts on 50-100k a year can exist in a Lektrick cah.

This is liberal wishful thinking, same as the global warming tax scam

archer75--- via Mercedes
May 15, 2017 at 1:26 AM
All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert

No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere
in the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport
will switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices
and the demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a
century.

This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is
causing spasms of anxiety in the established industries.

Tesla Model S electric car
Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction
of the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost

Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They
will switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are
ten times cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero
marginal cost of fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/

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A more realistic plan would be to put us all on bicycles.

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Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Probably solar and wind
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On May 15, 2017, at 4:34 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Even if we started now, we wouldn't be able to build all the electric
> generating plants to charge all those batteries!
> >
> > What type of power plants does he propose, nuclear or coal?
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
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> > '95 E300
> >
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2017-05-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Probably solar and wind

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> On May 15, 2017, at 4:34 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Even if we started now, we wouldn't be able to build all the electric 
> generating plants to charge all those batteries!
> 
> What type of power plants does he propose, nuclear or coal?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On May 15, 2017 2:26:52 AM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert 
>> 
>> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere
>> in the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport
>> will switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and
>> the demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
>> 
>> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
>> Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
>> Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is
>> causing spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
>> Tesla Model S electric car
>> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction
>> of the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
>> 
>> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They
>> will switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten
>> times cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal
>> cost of fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
>> 
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/
>> 
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2017-05-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Yea right. That is stupid and wrong on so many levels. Are we going to get rid 
of airplanes also? How are we going to make all the products that are made from 
oil? Are all tractors and farm equipment going to be electric as well?

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> On May 15, 2017, at 1:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert 
> 
> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in the 
> world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will switch to 
> electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the demise of the 
> petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
> 
> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony Seba. 
> His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking Transportation 
> 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing spasms of anxiety 
> in the established industries.
> Tesla Model S electric car
> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction of the 
> purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
> 
> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will 
> switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times 
> cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of fuel 
> and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/
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2017-05-15 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes

Your classic fool living in liberal lala land

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> On May 15, 2017, at 2:26 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert 
> 
> No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in the 
> world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will switch to 
> electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the demise of the 
> petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
> 
> This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony Seba. 
> His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking Transportation 
> 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing spasms of anxiety 
> in the established industries.
> Tesla Model S electric car
> Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction of the 
> purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
> 
> Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will 
> switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times 
> cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of fuel 
> and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/
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2017-05-15 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Even if we started now, we wouldn't be able to build all the electric 
generating plants to charge all those batteries!

What type of power plants does he propose, nuclear or coal?
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On May 15, 2017 2:26:52 AM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>All vehicles will be electric by 2025, says expert 
>
>No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere
>in the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport
>will switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and
>the demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.
>
>This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony
>Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking
>Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is
>causing spasms of anxiety in the established industries.
>Tesla Model S electric car
>Tesla's electric cars have the power of elite super-cars at a fraction
>of the purchase cost, and one tenth the running cost
>
>Prof Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They
>will switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten
>times cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal
>cost of fuel and an expected lifespan of 1m miles
>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/14/petrol-cars-will-vanish-2025-says-us-report/
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