Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, but the question is, and you should know this all too well, did he 
consider all of his acquisition costs, such as the flight, expense to drive 
back, the repairs he had to make (and I know he took it to at least one shop 
for repairs) as well as replacing a tire?

I’m betting he didn’t.

If you go to the show he’ll probably be driving his Porsche 914, the only car 
he’s owned forever.  Should be easy to pick him out.

-D





> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On June 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I don't think he is flakey, I think he's a hard core flipper who just got 
>> caught upside down due to his own ignorance.  It's bound to happen.
> 
> Well, his flip didn't flop too badly. 
> 
> Jun 29 at 7:30 PM
> Vitaminc914 237
> 
> @Copinz the car sold last week. I lost $56 and it went to a retired professor 
> who just gave up his 500k mile benz. He was happy to take it and I was happy 
> to sell it.
> 
> 
> And he told BAT about a car show between me and Kalamazoo that I think I'll 
> attend next Saturday:
> http://www.mlive.com/wayland/index.ssf/2017/06/gilmore_car_museum_hosting_six.html
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On June 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't think he is flakey, I think he's a hard core flipper who just got 
> caught upside down due to his own ignorance.  It's bound to happen.

Well, his flip didn't flop too badly. 

Jun 29 at 7:30 PM
Vitaminc914 237

@Copinz the car sold last week. I lost $56 and it went to a retired professor 
who just gave up his 500k mile benz. He was happy to take it and I was happy to 
sell it.


And he told BAT about a car show between me and Kalamazoo that I think I'll 
attend next Saturday:
http://www.mlive.com/wayland/index.ssf/2017/06/gilmore_car_museum_hosting_six.html

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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

He was afraid you'd slit his throat in the night.
-- 
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On June 23, 2017 1:31:22 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Hell when I flew down to buy the V123 from Dan I had to stay in the
>Roach motel.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe, but I don't think I would invite someone I did not know at all
>to stay over in my home with my family.
>> You are too nice, and maybe too trusting?
>> I think I would have helped him to find a local motel/hotel.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23/06/2017 11:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Yes. He paid for the privilege, believe me.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jun 23, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
 
 Did you actually have him stay over in your home when he came to
>get the car?
 
 RB
 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

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Hell when I flew down to buy the V123 from Dan I had to stay in the Roach motel.

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> On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe, but I don't think I would invite someone I did not know at all to stay 
> over in my home with my family.
> You are too nice, and maybe too trusting?
> I think I would have helped him to find a local motel/hotel.
> 
> RB
> 
> 
>> On 23/06/2017 11:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes. He paid for the privilege, believe me.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you actually have him stay over in your home when he came to get the 
>>> car?
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

He could have slit your throat in the night.

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> On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes. He paid for the privilege, believe me.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you actually have him stay over in your home when he came to get the car?
>> 
>> RB
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Maybe, but I don't think I would invite someone I did not know at all to 
stay over in my home with my family.

You are too nice, and maybe too trusting?
I think I would have helped him to find a local motel/hotel.

RB


On 23/06/2017 11:14 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Yes. He paid for the privilege, believe me.

-D


On Jun 23, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Did you actually have him stay over in your home when he came to get the car?

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yes. He paid for the privilege, believe me.

-D

> On Jun 23, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you actually have him stay over in your home when he came to get the car?
> 
> RB
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Did you actually have him stay over in your home when he came to get the 
car?


RB

On 23/06/2017 10:20 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I don't think he is flakey, I think he's a hard core flipper who just got 
caught upside down due to his own ignorance.  It's bound to happen.

He's clearly into flipping cars:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/08/05/like-having-a-brand-new-car-every-spring-ray-naddas-1974-porsche-914/

-D


On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:

I'm glad he didn't try to blame anything on you.  He seems a little flaky.

Don Snook

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Subject: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So that's the guy?

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> On Jun 23, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't think he is flakey, I think he's a hard core flipper who just got 
> caught upside down due to his own ignorance.  It's bound to happen.
> 
> He's clearly into flipping cars:
> 
> https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/08/05/like-having-a-brand-new-car-every-spring-ray-naddas-1974-porsche-914/
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm glad he didn't try to blame anything on you.  He seems a little flaky. 
>> 
>> Don Snook 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: d...@penoff.com [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 9:50 AM
>> To: Mercedes List 
>> Subject: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped
>> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I don't think he is flakey, I think he's a hard core flipper who just got 
caught upside down due to his own ignorance.  It's bound to happen.

He's clearly into flipping cars:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/08/05/like-having-a-brand-new-car-every-spring-ray-naddas-1974-porsche-914/

-D

> On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> 
> I'm glad he didn't try to blame anything on you.  He seems a little flaky. 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: d...@penoff.com [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 9:50 AM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Subject: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I'm glad he didn't try to blame anything on you.  He seems a little flaky. 

Don Snook 

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Subject: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh I bet that thing brings on a ton of crack

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> On Jun 23, 2017, at 7:30 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Dan, Have you seen this one?
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-230s/
> 
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes > wrote:
> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-
>> story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-
>> plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yup. It's been around the BAT community for a while.

Thanks!

-D

> On Jun 23, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Dan, Have you seen this one?
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-230s/
> 
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes > wrote:
> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-
>> story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-
>> plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Hey Dan, Have you seen this one?
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-230s/

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-
> story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-
> plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sold anything on BaT yet?  I'm thinking about flipping my $500 cabriolet
there.

-
Max
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On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I would put it at a $3k car as I have seen plenty just as nice for that
> sort of price.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would put it at a $3k car as I have seen plenty just as nice for that sort of 
price.

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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think that Hagerty had the value on this car pegged pretty well.  They 
> insisted on insuring it for $5000.  I figured it was worth maybe $4000.  
> Considering the low mileage (126k), limited ownership, Florida car and 
> provenance in the form of original sales records, etc., I think these were 
> pretty realistic values considering that someone who wanted a really nice 
> example of the car without paying Classic Center prices would gladly pay in 
> this range.  Had it sold for $4000 I would have been pleased as punch.
> 
> This whole thing just devolved into someone who didn’t know what they were 
> doing making some very, very bad choices.  The blame has to fall at the feet 
> of the buyer, as this guy had clearly no prior knowledge of these cars and 
> what they were worth.  I firmly believe that he figured he could get in at 
> the tail end of the auction, snag the car for a reasonable price, then flip 
> it.  After having numerous discussions with him he clearly had done 
> absolutely no due diligence as far as the car or the market for them.
> 
> Add that to exuberant bidding, a la “I’m not going to let someone beat me out 
> of this”, and you’ve got a real formula for being upside down, as he now is.  
> There is no way the market will support a price that would allow him to 
> profit from the sale of the car, especially due to his inability to work on 
> it himself - he is not a mechanic and farms pretty much everything but the 
> simplest work out to an indie.
> 
> Lesson learned, hopefully.
> 
> As someone who prefers to buy at the top of the market due to the thought 
> process of “buy the best example you can afford as it will be cheaper in the 
> long run” I have no problem with the prices we’re seeing.  There will always 
> be bottom feeders, but for those of us who don’t want to drive a beater or 
> aren’t willing to compromise for a really nice car, you have to pay top 
> dollar.  That being said, you do it after having done your due diligence so 
> you understand what you’re buying and how to get the best possible deal.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Now come on. You folks seem to think that you should be able to buy a "like 
>> new" Mercedes with full service records from day one, for $500.
>> Those days are gone. Look at the prices for other brands of old cars. People 
>> are paying pretty good money for older cars in good shape that were not even 
>> desirable cars when they were new.
>> Prices for older Mercedes are usually lower than for other cars because 
>> people are afraid of the costs to repair them if they have problems. They 
>> know they can get parts for a GM for pretty reasonable prices and just about 
>> anyone can repair them. That is not really the case with Mercedes and that 
>> scares people away. An old Camaro or Mustang will bring a better price than 
>> a Mercedes SL.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>>> On 22/06/2017 2:59 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
>>> So many people think these cars are built from gold pressed platinum just
>>> because they have a three pointed star. I'm always walking up on old Benz
>>> with for sale signs in the window, only to see new car prices on the card
>>> for rusted out hulks. It's horrifying to be honest. You can buy a Rolls
>>> Royce Silver Spirit in good shape for 10 - 15K. Too many Americans just
>>> don't understand that Mercedes is the GM of Germany. They have very "Chevy
>>> Level" cars for entry ownership to the "Dictator Level" cars for the
>>> "Cadillac Feel." I love old Mercedes, but that doesn't mean they are worth
>>> the asking price on most of them. Anyway, rant off.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I agree.
The old adage about there being no cheap Mercedes is to a great extent true.
If you want a decent car you should expect to pay a decent price unless 
you get very lucky.
I also think there is very little point in buying something like this 
and not expecting to keep it and enjoy it for a time. Any hope of 
breaking even will generally require some time or effort.
Trying to buy something for top dollar and then trying to flip it for a 
profit does not sound like it would be very easy to do.
Sadly, a lot of people get carried away at auctions. My son bought a 
junk shotgun at an auction for way too much money because it was getting 
close to the end and he had not snagged anything and wanted to buy a 
gun. A mistake admits and hopefully has learned from.


RB


On 22/06/2017 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I think that Hagerty had the value on this car pegged pretty well.  They 
insisted on insuring it for $5000.  I figured it was worth maybe $4000.  
Considering the low mileage (126k), limited ownership, Florida car and 
provenance in the form of original sales records, etc., I think these were 
pretty realistic values considering that someone who wanted a really nice 
example of the car without paying Classic Center prices would gladly pay in 
this range.  Had it sold for $4000 I would have been pleased as punch.

This whole thing just devolved into someone who didn’t know what they were 
doing making some very, very bad choices.  The blame has to fall at the feet of 
the buyer, as this guy had clearly no prior knowledge of these cars and what 
they were worth.  I firmly believe that he figured he could get in at the tail 
end of the auction, snag the car for a reasonable price, then flip it.  After 
having numerous discussions with him he clearly had done absolutely no due 
diligence as far as the car or the market for them.

Add that to exuberant bidding, a la “I’m not going to let someone beat me out 
of this”, and you’ve got a real formula for being upside down, as he now is.  
There is no way the market will support a price that would allow him to profit 
from the sale of the car, especially due to his inability to work on it himself 
- he is not a mechanic and farms pretty much everything but the simplest work 
out to an indie.

Lesson learned, hopefully.

As someone who prefers to buy at the top of the market due to the thought 
process of “buy the best example you can afford as it will be cheaper in the 
long run” I have no problem with the prices we’re seeing.  There will always be 
bottom feeders, but for those of us who don’t want to drive a beater or aren’t 
willing to compromise for a really nice car, you have to pay top dollar.  That 
being said, you do it after having done your due diligence so you understand 
what you’re buying and how to get the best possible deal.

-D





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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As you should.

-D


> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm feeling a lot better about my last 3 $200 acquisitions!
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm feeling a lot better about my last 3 $200 acquisitions!

--FT


On 6/22/17 4:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Now come on. You folks seem to think that you should be able to buy a 
"like new" Mercedes with full service records from day one, for $500.
Those days are gone. Look at the prices for other brands of old cars. 
People are paying pretty good money for older cars in good shape that 
were not even desirable cars when they were new.
Prices for older Mercedes are usually lower than for other cars 
because people are afraid of the costs to repair them if they have 
problems. They know they can get parts for a GM for pretty reasonable 
prices and just about anyone can repair them. That is not really the 
case with Mercedes and that scares people away. An old Camaro or 
Mustang will bring a better price than a Mercedes SL.


RB

On 22/06/2017 2:59 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
So many people think these cars are built from gold pressed platinum 
just
because they have a three pointed star. I'm always walking up on old 
Benz
with for sale signs in the window, only to see new car prices on the 
card

for rusted out hulks. It's horrifying to be honest. You can buy a Rolls
Royce Silver Spirit in good shape for 10 - 15K. Too many Americans just
don't understand that Mercedes is the GM of Germany. They have very 
"Chevy

Level" cars for entry ownership to the "Dictator Level" cars for the
"Cadillac Feel." I love old Mercedes, but that doesn't mean they are 
worth

the asking price on most of them. Anyway, rant off.




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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think that Hagerty had the value on this car pegged pretty well.  They 
insisted on insuring it for $5000.  I figured it was worth maybe $4000.  
Considering the low mileage (126k), limited ownership, Florida car and 
provenance in the form of original sales records, etc., I think these were 
pretty realistic values considering that someone who wanted a really nice 
example of the car without paying Classic Center prices would gladly pay in 
this range.  Had it sold for $4000 I would have been pleased as punch.

This whole thing just devolved into someone who didn’t know what they were 
doing making some very, very bad choices.  The blame has to fall at the feet of 
the buyer, as this guy had clearly no prior knowledge of these cars and what 
they were worth.  I firmly believe that he figured he could get in at the tail 
end of the auction, snag the car for a reasonable price, then flip it.  After 
having numerous discussions with him he clearly had done absolutely no due 
diligence as far as the car or the market for them.

Add that to exuberant bidding, a la “I’m not going to let someone beat me out 
of this”, and you’ve got a real formula for being upside down, as he now is.  
There is no way the market will support a price that would allow him to profit 
from the sale of the car, especially due to his inability to work on it himself 
- he is not a mechanic and farms pretty much everything but the simplest work 
out to an indie.

Lesson learned, hopefully.

As someone who prefers to buy at the top of the market due to the thought 
process of “buy the best example you can afford as it will be cheaper in the 
long run” I have no problem with the prices we’re seeing.  There will always be 
bottom feeders, but for those of us who don’t want to drive a beater or aren’t 
willing to compromise for a really nice car, you have to pay top dollar.  That 
being said, you do it after having done your due diligence so you understand 
what you’re buying and how to get the best possible deal.

-D



> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Now come on. You folks seem to think that you should be able to buy a "like 
> new" Mercedes with full service records from day one, for $500.
> Those days are gone. Look at the prices for other brands of old cars. People 
> are paying pretty good money for older cars in good shape that were not even 
> desirable cars when they were new.
> Prices for older Mercedes are usually lower than for other cars because 
> people are afraid of the costs to repair them if they have problems. They 
> know they can get parts for a GM for pretty reasonable prices and just about 
> anyone can repair them. That is not really the case with Mercedes and that 
> scares people away. An old Camaro or Mustang will bring a better price than a 
> Mercedes SL.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 22/06/2017 2:59 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
>> So many people think these cars are built from gold pressed platinum just
>> because they have a three pointed star. I'm always walking up on old Benz
>> with for sale signs in the window, only to see new car prices on the card
>> for rusted out hulks. It's horrifying to be honest. You can buy a Rolls
>> Royce Silver Spirit in good shape for 10 - 15K. Too many Americans just
>> don't understand that Mercedes is the GM of Germany. They have very "Chevy
>> Level" cars for entry ownership to the "Dictator Level" cars for the
>> "Cadillac Feel." I love old Mercedes, but that doesn't mean they are worth
>> the asking price on most of them. Anyway, rant off.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

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Now come on. You folks seem to think that you should be able to buy a 
"like new" Mercedes with full service records from day one, for $500.
Those days are gone. Look at the prices for other brands of old cars. 
People are paying pretty good money for older cars in good shape that 
were not even desirable cars when they were new.
Prices for older Mercedes are usually lower than for other cars because 
people are afraid of the costs to repair them if they have problems. 
They know they can get parts for a GM for pretty reasonable prices and 
just about anyone can repair them. That is not really the case with 
Mercedes and that scares people away. An old Camaro or Mustang will 
bring a better price than a Mercedes SL.


RB

On 22/06/2017 2:59 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

So many people think these cars are built from gold pressed platinum just
because they have a three pointed star. I'm always walking up on old Benz
with for sale signs in the window, only to see new car prices on the card
for rusted out hulks. It's horrifying to be honest. You can buy a Rolls
Royce Silver Spirit in good shape for 10 - 15K. Too many Americans just
don't understand that Mercedes is the GM of Germany. They have very "Chevy
Level" cars for entry ownership to the "Dictator Level" cars for the
"Cadillac Feel." I love old Mercedes, but that doesn't mean they are worth
the asking price on most of them. Anyway, rant off.




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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

So many people think these cars are built from gold pressed platinum just
because they have a three pointed star. I'm always walking up on old Benz
with for sale signs in the window, only to see new car prices on the card
for rusted out hulks. It's horrifying to be honest. You can buy a Rolls
Royce Silver Spirit in good shape for 10 - 15K. Too many Americans just
don't understand that Mercedes is the GM of Germany. They have very "Chevy
Level" cars for entry ownership to the "Dictator Level" cars for the
"Cadillac Feel." I love old Mercedes, but that doesn't mean they are worth
the asking price on most of them. Anyway, rant off.

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> I should respond to the "seller's remorse" comment and say, "No, not after
> selling a $1700 car for $6700, thank you."
>
> Ouch.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 22, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > /picked me up in another one of his Diesel Mercedes, a beautiful SD300/
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 6/22/17 10:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-
> story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-
> plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Ah see, there it is:

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> May 8 at 2:16 PM
> Vitaminc914 237
>
> @bru212 are you out?
> ---
>
> May 8 at 2:16 PM
> Vitaminc914 237
>
> Come one, 1 more bid
>
> ---
>
>
> May 8 at 2:16 PM
>
> Sold on 5/8/17 for $6,700 to Vitaminc914
>
> ---
>
> May 8 at 2:17 PM
> Vitaminc914 237
>
> I was honestly out..you could’ve gotten it for $100 more.. :)
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

The BaT history supports that, right before auction close he posted "Come
on, one more bid." Then told another user a little later in the convo
transaction that he was "honestly out, he could have had it for $100 more"

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On June 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What a moron.
>
> I still suspect Ray never wanted to buy the car, he was just playing an
> expensive game of chicken with the other bidders and took it one step too
> far.
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, I think you hit that one right on the head.

And yes, Mitch, I suspect you're correct.  As you pointed out, he asked other 
bidders if they were out when he was high bidder, and he told them he was done 
bidding in an effort to get them to outbid him.

As we say around my house, "Hindsight is always 50-50".

-D

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What a moron.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

He didn't know what he was buying. The guy had absolutely no knowledge of MB 
diesels. To this day I'm befuddled as to why he bought the car to begin with. 
That is, I didn't see any indication that he was even remotely interested in 
Mercedes diesels.  And if he thought he was going to flip it, why did he bid it 
up to begin with?

-D

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They guy paid way way way way too much for that car. He probably saw what he 
> could buy them for outside the BAT crack house.
> 
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They guy paid way way way way too much for that car. He probably saw what he 
could buy them for outside the BAT crack house.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I should respond to the "seller's remorse" comment and say, "No, not after 
> selling a $1700 car for $6700, thank you."
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> /picked me up in another one of his Diesel Mercedes, a beautiful SD300/
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 6/22/17 10:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
>>> 
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>> or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I should respond to the "seller's remorse" comment and say, "No, not after 
selling a $1700 car for $6700, thank you."

Ouch.

-D

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> /picked me up in another one of his Diesel Mercedes, a beautiful SD300/
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/22/17 10:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
>> 
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

/picked me up in another one of his Diesel Mercedes, a beautiful SD300/

--FT

On 6/22/17 10:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

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> On June 22, 2017 at 11:07 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yeah, it's been tough for me not to make any comments, but I would like to be 
> able to sell on BAT in the future.

Oh, and somebody's possibly baiting Dan for a comment:
Jun 22 at 8:22 AM
H Schwartz 1,955

Maybe the seller has sellers remorse and he’d like to fly up and drive it back. 
Now that would be a story.


There was some temptation for me to comment, but I'm keeping out of it, 
especially since I have non-public info on the previous sale.
Here's what I would have commented on if I weren't biting my tongue:


Jun 22 at 6:16 AM
no.radar 1,873

Pretty quick “second thoughts.” Next time, I’d try and do the “reflecting” 
before I wrote a big check!

Great story anyway. Hope you waved when you rode up 196 near me.

-

May 8 at 2:16 PM
Vitaminc914 237

@bru212 are you out?
---

May 8 at 2:16 PM
Vitaminc914 237

Come one, 1 more bid

---


May 8 at 2:16 PM

Sold on 5/8/17 for $6,700 to Vitaminc914

---

May 8 at 2:17 PM
Vitaminc914 237

I was honestly out..you could’ve gotten it for $100 more.. :)

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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yeah, it's been tough for me not to make any comments, but I would like to be 
able to sell on BAT in the future.

I noticed that his CL ad came down a few weeks ago. After a month of no takers 
I suspect he's discovered that he's going to own that baby for a long, long 
time.  That is, if he expects to make a profit on the sale

For what it's worth, I just filed the Notice of Sale with the State of Florida 
this morning.  When the insurance on a car is cancelled and the insurer 
notifies the State, they come after you to determine if you sold it or just 
bailed on the insurance. If you don't respond to them with an explanation, they 
suspend your driver's license and it costs $150 to get it reinstated.

Anyway, I filed a Notice of Sale affidavit with the State this morning. It 
includes the contact information on the buyer and the sale price, all of which 
gets forwarded to their state DMV. I hope he declared the correct sale amount 
when he titled and registered the car.

-D

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On June 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/
> 
> Gee, that sounds a lot more pleasant than the way I remember it:
> I blew a tire. Dan thoughtfully provided a brand new spare, so I took it out 
> of the trunk, put it on the car, and drove the rest of the way home, keeping 
> an eye out for tornadoes. 
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> On June 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What a moron.

I still suspect Ray never wanted to buy the car, he was just playing an 
expensive game of chicken with the other bidders and took it one step too far. 

Mitch.

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What a moron.

Sent from my iPhone

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> On June 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/2017/06/22/bat-auction-success-story-1300-mile-drive-in-1982-mercedes-benz-300-d-allows-plenty-of-time-for-reflection/

Gee, that sounds a lot more pleasant than the way I remember it:
I blew a tire. Dan thoughtfully provided a brand new spare, so I took it out of 
the trunk, put it on the car, and drove the rest of the way home, keeping an 
eye out for tornadoes. 

Mitch.

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