Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
Even better. intruders are bitten and scared away silently. On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:36 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > But the little devils bite. > > > On 03/03/2021 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Basenji's are great - you can sleep through any disturbance (they are > > barkless). > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:38 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Time for a couple of big dogs. Lights and cameras are good for watching > >> people walk away with your stuff, but are not effective deterrents. I > >> recommend one of these (see photo), but you will need to clip him in the > >> summer to keep him from overheating. > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, 7:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in > >>> Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. > >> Soon a > >>> car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of > >> all, > >>> why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. > >>> > >>> She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was > taking > >>> out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get > >>> outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded > >>> like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this > >>> story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. > Nope, > >>> thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time > the > >>> cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you > >> hear > >>> voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit > loads > >>> of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you > >>> should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but > >> it’s > >>> been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just > run > >>> in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some > motion > >>> lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
But the little devils bite. On 03/03/2021 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Basenji's are great - you can sleep through any disturbance (they are barkless). On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:38 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Time for a couple of big dogs. Lights and cameras are good for watching people walk away with your stuff, but are not effective deterrents. I recommend one of these (see photo), but you will need to clip him in the summer to keep him from overheating. On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, 7:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but it’s been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
Basenji's are great - you can sleep through any disturbance (they are barkless). On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:38 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Time for a couple of big dogs. Lights and cameras are good for watching > people walk away with your stuff, but are not effective deterrents. I > recommend one of these (see photo), but you will need to clip him in the > summer to keep him from overheating. > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, 7:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in > > Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. > Soon a > > car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of > all, > > why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. > > > > She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking > > out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get > > outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded > > like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this > > story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, > > thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the > > cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you > hear > > voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads > > of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you > > should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but > it’s > > been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run > > in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion > > lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
I should have included this in original reply: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qkblKElN4w -Original Message- From: Scott Ritchey Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 1:07 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: RE: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may provide deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops of heads under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link my barn and house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps right now). The best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get out of control very fast. I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to use it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I started with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been able to use it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, home-defense firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that that means in your home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus one in the chamber but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver for bedside because of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy and dark). There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the Basics of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. If an intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only if he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let them clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to tell the cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator to develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you want is to be mistaken for an intruder. Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what works with one kid may not work with another. I find the little Speedvaults very handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a curious kid could crack the combo, given time. Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your Sheriff. For one thing, you want to meet the Sheriff to draw your own conclusions. Also, if they are good, the intelligence that there were trespassers at a known time and location could be useful. Good luck. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but it’s been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
The North American record for a gator is 14' long/1,000 lbs. https://www.outdoorrevival.com/news/alligator.html On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 8:24 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > "What ever happened to ? " > "I have no idea, last I heard, he was going water skiing over at LaRange > Bayou with some friends." > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:57 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Around here there are some ponds reportedly home to some 12ft gators. I > > am reliably told that in the past some things were quietly dealt with by > > natural means. > > > > --FT > > > > On 3/2/21 3:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > > > And always remember the three “S” - Shoot, Shovel, Shut up. > > > > > > -D > > > > -- > > --FT > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"What ever happened to ? " "I have no idea, last I heard, he was going water skiing over at LaRange Bayou with some friends." On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:57 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Around here there are some ponds reportedly home to some 12ft gators. I > am reliably told that in the past some things were quietly dealt with by > natural means. > > --FT > > On 3/2/21 3:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > > And always remember the three “S” - Shoot, Shovel, Shut up. > > > > -D > > -- > --FT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
Around here there are some ponds reportedly home to some 12ft gators. I am reliably told that in the past some things were quietly dealt with by natural means. --FT On 3/2/21 3:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: And always remember the three “S” - Shoot, Shovel, Shut up. -D -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
And always remember the three “S” - Shoot, Shovel, Shut up. -D > On Mar 2, 2021, at 3:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > What everyone responded above in the way of prepared and alert family > members. It takes time and effort to get everyone on board with the idea of > actually defending themselves and other members. > > I would add to the above suggestions, the installation and use of well > placed cameras [multiple] with day / night vision and at your option, > motion sensor activation that are hard wired into a recording device [your > choice what works best]. > > Should you need to use lethal force to prevent your death, nothing makes > your case like having it on instant replay, with a talented and > knowledgeable 2A skilled attorney. > As part of becoming prepared, school yourself and all concerned in the > family on how to respond post use of force. > "Anything you say can, and will, be used against you." so school yourself > and family on exactly how to manage things while the criminal who presented > a deadly threat converts to room temperature. > > Suggest you have a look at USCCA. They do a very credible job of classes on > just that issue, as well as having developed a long list of 2A qualified > attorneys you can engage to represent you. The given, in today's world is, > you will most likely be arrested and charged, with "something" for > defending yourself. So, know in advance the laws that apply to your > location. > > Only my suggestions. Avoid any confrontation if you can. Peace and KumbaYa.. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 7:34 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> #4 birdshot in lead is 135 pellets per ounce. It's probably not deadly >> but a load of it would have a STRONG deterrent effect. Within 5-10 feet of >> the muzzle those pellets are all clumped together and will put serious hurt >> on whatever you hit. After about 30 feet the pellets aren't going to >> seriously penetrate a wall making it much safer for bystanders. >> >> The average homeowner type defensive gunfight is going to be 1-2 shots at >> most and is going to be highly panicked and, well lets say it'll be >> difficult. A shotgun will give you 2 things, a much better chance of >> hitting the assailant and a much smaller chance of hitting your neighbors >> through the wall of your house. So on the whole its much safer for other >> good people and much less safe for the bad guy... >> -Curt >> >>On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 1:07:44 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or >> killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may >> provide deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops >> of heads under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link >> my barn and house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps >> right now). The best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get >> out of control very fast. >> >> I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun >> because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to >> use it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I >> started with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been >> able to use it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, >> home-defense firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that that >> means in your home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus one >> in the chamber but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver >> for bedside because of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy and >> dark). >> >> There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the >> Basics of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. If >> an intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, >> Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only >> if he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let >> them clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to tell >> the cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator to >> develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you >> want is to be mistaken for an intruder. >> >> Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what >> works with one kid may not work with another. I find the little >> Speedvaults very handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a >> curious kid could crack the combo, given time. >> >> Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your >> Sheriff. For one thing, you want to meet the Sheriff to draw your own >> conclusions. Also, if they are good, the intelligence that there were >> trespassers at a known time and location could be useful. >> >> Good luck. >>
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
Yeah a dog is part of the avoiding confrontation part. Let them move along to some house with a less ferocious, smaller pet. By the time they are in your house, your options are very limited. On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 12:18 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > What everyone responded above in the way of prepared and alert family > members. It takes time and effort to get everyone on board with the idea of > actually defending themselves and other members. > > I would add to the above suggestions, the installation and use of well > placed cameras [multiple] with day / night vision and at your option, > motion sensor activation that are hard wired into a recording device [your > choice what works best]. > > Should you need to use lethal force to prevent your death, nothing makes > your case like having it on instant replay, with a talented and > knowledgeable 2A skilled attorney. > As part of becoming prepared, school yourself and all concerned in the > family on how to respond post use of force. > "Anything you say can, and will, be used against you." so school yourself > and family on exactly how to manage things while the criminal who presented > a deadly threat converts to room temperature. > > Suggest you have a look at USCCA. They do a very credible job of classes on > just that issue, as well as having developed a long list of 2A qualified > attorneys you can engage to represent you. The given, in today's world is, > you will most likely be arrested and charged, with "something" for > defending yourself. So, know in advance the laws that apply to your > location. > > Only my suggestions. Avoid any confrontation if you can. Peace and > KumbaYa.. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 7:34 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > #4 birdshot in lead is 135 pellets per ounce. It's probably not deadly > > but a load of it would have a STRONG deterrent effect. Within 5-10 feet > of > > the muzzle those pellets are all clumped together and will put serious > hurt > > on whatever you hit. After about 30 feet the pellets aren't going to > > seriously penetrate a wall making it much safer for bystanders. > > > > The average homeowner type defensive gunfight is going to be 1-2 shots at > > most and is going to be highly panicked and, well lets say it'll be > > difficult. A shotgun will give you 2 things, a much better chance of > > hitting the assailant and a much smaller chance of hitting your neighbors > > through the wall of your house. So on the whole its much safer for other > > good people and much less safe for the bad guy... > > -Curt > > > > On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 1:07:44 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via > Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or > > killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may > > provide deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops > > of heads under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link > > my barn and house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps > > right now). The best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get > > out of control very fast. > > > > I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun > > because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to > > use it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I > > started with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been > > able to use it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, > > home-defense firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that > that > > means in your home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus > one > > in the chamber but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver > > for bedside because of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy > and > > dark). > > > > There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the > > Basics of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. > If > > an intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, > > Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only > > if he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let > > them clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to > tell > > the cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator > to > > develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you > > want is to be mistaken for an intruder. > > > > Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what > > works with one kid may not work with another. I find the little > > Speedvaults very handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a > > curious kid could crack the combo, given time. > > > > Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your > > Sheriff. For one thing, you want to
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
What everyone responded above in the way of prepared and alert family members. It takes time and effort to get everyone on board with the idea of actually defending themselves and other members. I would add to the above suggestions, the installation and use of well placed cameras [multiple] with day / night vision and at your option, motion sensor activation that are hard wired into a recording device [your choice what works best]. Should you need to use lethal force to prevent your death, nothing makes your case like having it on instant replay, with a talented and knowledgeable 2A skilled attorney. As part of becoming prepared, school yourself and all concerned in the family on how to respond post use of force. "Anything you say can, and will, be used against you." so school yourself and family on exactly how to manage things while the criminal who presented a deadly threat converts to room temperature. Suggest you have a look at USCCA. They do a very credible job of classes on just that issue, as well as having developed a long list of 2A qualified attorneys you can engage to represent you. The given, in today's world is, you will most likely be arrested and charged, with "something" for defending yourself. So, know in advance the laws that apply to your location. Only my suggestions. Avoid any confrontation if you can. Peace and KumbaYa.. On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 7:34 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > #4 birdshot in lead is 135 pellets per ounce. It's probably not deadly > but a load of it would have a STRONG deterrent effect. Within 5-10 feet of > the muzzle those pellets are all clumped together and will put serious hurt > on whatever you hit. After about 30 feet the pellets aren't going to > seriously penetrate a wall making it much safer for bystanders. > > The average homeowner type defensive gunfight is going to be 1-2 shots at > most and is going to be highly panicked and, well lets say it'll be > difficult. A shotgun will give you 2 things, a much better chance of > hitting the assailant and a much smaller chance of hitting your neighbors > through the wall of your house. So on the whole its much safer for other > good people and much less safe for the bad guy... > -Curt > > On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 1:07:44 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or > killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may > provide deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops > of heads under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link > my barn and house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps > right now). The best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get > out of control very fast. > > I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun > because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to > use it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I > started with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been > able to use it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, > home-defense firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that that > means in your home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus one > in the chamber but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver > for bedside because of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy and > dark). > > There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the > Basics of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. If > an intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, > Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only > if he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let > them clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to tell > the cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator to > develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you > want is to be mistaken for an intruder. > > Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what > works with one kid may not work with another. I find the little > Speedvaults very handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a > curious kid could crack the combo, given time. > > Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your > Sheriff. For one thing, you want to meet the Sheriff to draw your own > conclusions. Also, if they are good, the intelligence that there were > trespassers at a known time and location could be useful. > > Good luck. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:24 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home > > I’m out
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
#4 birdshot in lead is 135 pellets per ounce. It's probably not deadly but a load of it would have a STRONG deterrent effect. Within 5-10 feet of the muzzle those pellets are all clumped together and will put serious hurt on whatever you hit. After about 30 feet the pellets aren't going to seriously penetrate a wall making it much safer for bystanders. The average homeowner type defensive gunfight is going to be 1-2 shots at most and is going to be highly panicked and, well lets say it'll be difficult. A shotgun will give you 2 things, a much better chance of hitting the assailant and a much smaller chance of hitting your neighbors through the wall of your house. So on the whole its much safer for other good people and much less safe for the bad guy... -Curt On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 1:07:44 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may provide deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops of heads under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link my barn and house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps right now). The best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get out of control very fast. I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to use it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I started with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been able to use it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, home-defense firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that that means in your home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus one in the chamber but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver for bedside because of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy and dark). There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the Basics of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. If an intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only if he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let them clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to tell the cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator to develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you want is to be mistaken for an intruder. Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what works with one kid may not work with another. I find the little Speedvaults very handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a curious kid could crack the combo, given time. Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your Sheriff. For one thing, you want to meet the Sheriff to draw your own conclusions. Also, if they are good, the intelligence that there were trespassers at a known time and location could be useful. Good luck. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but it’s been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
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I’m not certain if any of this really happened because she hasn’t posted anything on the FB yet. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or > killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may provide > deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops of heads > under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link my barn and > house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps right now). The > best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get out of control very > fast. > > I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun > because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to use > it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I started > with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been able to use > it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, home-defense > firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that that means in your > home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus one in the chamber > but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver for bedside because > of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy and dark). > > There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the Basics > of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. If an > intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, > Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only if > he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let them > clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to tell the > cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator to > develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you want > is to be mistaken for an intruder. > > Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what works > with one kid may not work with another. I find the little Speedvaults very > handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a curious kid could > crack the combo, given time. > > Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your > Sheriff. For one thing, you want to meet the Sheriff to draw your own > conclusions. Also, if they are good, the intelligence that there were > trespassers at a known time and location could be useful. > > Good luck. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:24 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home > > I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in Tulsa > and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a car > comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, why > the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. > > She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking out > the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get outside. He > heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded like it was > coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this story like it was > no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, thought maybe it was > coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the cops got here they would > be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear voices people are somewhere > they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads of cars around, a $30k tractor > in the barn and didn’t think maybe you should call the cops. Not the first > time we have had thugs around but it’s been a while. I guess now they will > know it’s OK because we will just run in the house and not do anything about > it. I need to install some motion lights and cameras over by the shop and > barn. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may provide deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops of heads under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link my barn and house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps right now). The best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get out of control very fast. I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to use it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I started with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been able to use it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, home-defense firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that that means in your home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus one in the chamber but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver for bedside because of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy and dark). There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the Basics of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. If an intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only if he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let them clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to tell the cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator to develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you want is to be mistaken for an intruder. Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what works with one kid may not work with another. I find the little Speedvaults very handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a curious kid could crack the combo, given time. Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your Sheriff. For one thing, you want to meet the Sheriff to draw your own conclusions. Also, if they are good, the intelligence that there were trespassers at a known time and location could be useful. Good luck. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but it’s been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
So did she go out there and deal with the issue? Seems like a 12g semi might be the best choice in this situation --FT Sent from iPhone > On Mar 1, 2021, at 10:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes that is on the list at some point. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2021, at 10:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Think outside the box.. keep the cars, the acres, the barn Just buy > more life insurance on Mrs. , and. sign her up for a defensive shooting > and self defense course.. Since it could go either way, at the present > situational awareness as demonstrated, hedge your bet on either outcome. > > Consider a fence with a rolling gate entry that operates on a clicker, so > you don't have to get out to open the gate, then sensors that close the > gate after you pull through. > >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 9:06 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Time to sell off a bunch of stuff and move back to the old house. No more >> junkyard, no more tenants, no more bs. More money, more piece of mind. >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: March 1, 2021 9:23 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: ka...@striplin.net >> Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home >> >> I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in >> Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a >> car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, >> why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. >> >> She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking >> out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get >> outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded >> like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this >> story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, >> thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the >> cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear >> voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads >> of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you >> should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but it’s >> been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run >> in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion >> lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
Think outside the box.. keep the cars, the acres, the barn Just buy more life insurance on Mrs. , and. sign her up for a defensive shooting and self defense course.. Since it could go either way, at the present situational awareness as demonstrated, hedge your bet on either outcome. Consider a fence with a rolling gate entry that operates on a clicker, so you don't have to get out to open the gate, then sensors that close the gate after you pull through. On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 9:06 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Time to sell off a bunch of stuff and move back to the old house. No more > junkyard, no more tenants, no more bs. More money, more piece of mind. > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: March 1, 2021 9:23 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: ka...@striplin.net > Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home > > I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in > Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a > car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, > why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. > > She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking > out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get > outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded > like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this > story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, > thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the > cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear > voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads > of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you > should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but it’s > been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run > in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion > lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home
Time to sell off a bunch of stuff and move back to the old house. No more junkyard, no more tenants, no more bs. More money, more piece of mind. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: March 1, 2021 9:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. Soon a car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of all, why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you hear voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but it’s been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
