Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Geez, what a bunch of cheapskates. $135k/year for a CIO in the government 
sector? No wonder people leave. That’s pretty lousy pay, especially for being 
in the GWN. Even in my government space that’s a $150k-$175k/year job.

He bailed to go to Homeland Security, where he’s making more money and still in 
the government sector.

-D

> On Jun 25, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Gmail is Verboten on the work system.  That does not stop bad things from 
> coming through.  AK courts are being held hostage by ransomware.  Lawyer gets 
> an email from those courts and it could contain malware.  And to make matters 
> more interesting— 
> https://www.alaskapublic.org/2021/06/24/amid-cyberattacks-alaskas-top-cybersecurity-official-quietly-left-his-job/
> 
> Pavlov and Skinner are easier to use than technical artistry if you want to 
> access computer systems.  
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A lot of corporations have moved to Google mail and docs. So they can't
>> really block Gmail from work computers. Maybe Google has some way to
>> restrict it from their side as part of the corporate account setup.
>> 
>> One of the downsides of outsourcing this stuff is you give up some
>> control. Of course most companies do even worse trying to administer it
>> themselves.
>> 
>> Allan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Clay via Mercedes]

This approach could explain why SWMBA has computers stop functioning and 
needing replaced.  Does eat into massive chunk of billable work time getting 
the new machine online and usable.  At least a half dozen times since the 
current plague hit.

Clay


> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> We also use endpoint detection that resides on the workstations, and the 
> second it sees something funky going on it immediately locks the machine down 
> and alerts. So even if something does get past the user and starts to do 
> something malicious, we’ll know it and that machine gets isolated.

> -D


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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Clay via Mercedes]

Gmail is Verboten on the work system.  That does not stop bad things from 
coming through.  AK courts are being held hostage by ransomware.  Lawyer gets 
an email from those courts and it could contain malware.  And to make matters 
more interesting— 
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2021/06/24/amid-cyberattacks-alaskas-top-cybersecurity-official-quietly-left-his-job/

Pavlov and Skinner are easier to use than technical artistry if you want to 
access computer systems.  

Clay




> On Jun 25, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A lot of corporations have moved to Google mail and docs. So they can't
> really block Gmail from work computers. Maybe Google has some way to
> restrict it from their side as part of the corporate account setup.
> 
> One of the downsides of outsourcing this stuff is you give up some
> control. Of course most companies do even worse trying to administer it
> themselves.
> 
> Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

They do, but they’re not perfect. I can tell you that we see on average about 
200-250 emails a day that either have malware or are phishing that get caught 
by ATP (advanced threat protection). And consider that this is a dynamic thing, 
in that these perpetrators are constantly crafting and re-crafting stuff as 
quickly as it gets caught.

For example, our county attorney got phished this morning with an email crafted 
to appear that it was from one of our consulting attorneys from an outside law 
firm, asking him to open/download an attachment that claimed to be information 
for a case they were working on for us. The payload was bogus and would have 
blown up had they attempted to do so. Fortunately, a sharp-eyed assistant noted 
that the “from” domain didn’t match the firm’s domain so she reported it. And 
it has been my experience that attorneys are typically far from tech-savvy.

We use Outlook in an Azure tenant, which goes a long way in killing this stuff 
as you’ve got the collective exposure of literally millions of accounts that 
Microsoft administers in the cloud, so there are economies of scale from the 
standpoint of identifying bad stuff and then sharing that information out.

We beat it into our employees that if it looks even remotely sketchy, delete it 
or hit our “Phish button” in their mail client. That sends it to a sandboxed 
email account where we can analyze it and see if it’s malicious. We’ll often 
blacklist domains that this stuff comes from once we’ve gone over it, too, as 
well as reporting it up the chain to Microsoft and others.

We also use endpoint detection that resides on the workstations, and the second 
it sees something funky going on it immediately locks the machine down and 
alerts. So even if something does get past the user and starts to do something 
malicious, we’ll know it and that machine gets isolated.

Not foolproof, but it helps. A good line of work to be in, like being an 
undertaker. No matter how bad things get, there will all ways be a need for our 
services…

-D

> On Jun 25, 2021, at 6:04 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Actually, those things wouldn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to 
>> ransomware. The vehicle for ransomware is email and people who get sucked 
>> into clicking on things they shouldn’t.
> 
> Hmm. So you are saying corporate email accounts don't have stringent email 
> filtering to weed out such things? I'm not being sarcastic, I don't have 
> corporate email accounts, so I am ignorant of such things.
> 
> Or is it people opening their personal email on corporate computers? That 
> wouldn't happen if it was locked down.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I was under the understanding that antivirus software can be set up to scan 
email. If a different email client handled the email that is first downloaded 
from Google, I would guess it could be scanned before it is even delivered to 
the users inbox. Am I missing something here?

I use Windows once or twice a year around tax time, most of the time I use 
Linux, and if I don't recognize the email as legit, it is discarded without 
opening.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: astr...@indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

A lot of corporations have moved to Google mail and docs. So they can't
really block Gmail from work computers. Maybe Google has some way to
restrict it from their side as part of the corporate account setup.

One of the downsides of outsourcing this stuff is you give up some
control. Of course most companies do even worse trying to administer it
themselves.

Allan


Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

>> Actually, those things wouldn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to 
>> ransomware. The vehicle for ransomware is email and people who get sucked 
>> into clicking on things they shouldn’t.
>
> Hmm. So you are saying corporate email accounts don't have stringent email 
> filtering to weed out such things? I'm not being sarcastic, I don't have 
> corporate email accounts, so I am ignorant of such things.
>
> Or is it people opening their personal email on corporate computers? That 
> wouldn't happen if it was locked down.
>
>
> Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

A lot of corporations have moved to Google mail and docs. So they can't
really block Gmail from work computers. Maybe Google has some way to
restrict it from their side as part of the corporate account setup.

One of the downsides of outsourcing this stuff is you give up some
control. Of course most companies do even worse trying to administer it
themselves.

Allan


Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

>> Actually, those things wouldn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to 
>> ransomware. The vehicle for ransomware is email and people who get sucked 
>> into clicking on things they shouldn’t.
>
> Hmm. So you are saying corporate email accounts don't have stringent email 
> filtering to weed out such things? I'm not being sarcastic, I don't have 
> corporate email accounts, so I am ignorant of such things.
>
> Or is it people opening their personal email on corporate computers? That 
> wouldn't happen if it was locked down.
>
>
> Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> Actually, those things wouldn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to 
> ransomware. The vehicle for ransomware is email and people who get sucked 
> into clicking on things they shouldn’t.

Hmm. So you are saying corporate email accounts don't have stringent email 
filtering to weed out such things? I'm not being sarcastic, I don't have 
corporate email accounts, so I am ignorant of such things.

Or is it people opening their personal email on corporate computers? That 
wouldn't happen if it was locked down.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Ahh, I wasn't thinking about attachments, I got myself thinking about links.
-Curt

On Friday, June 25, 2021, 4:44:54 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 They don’t have to go to web sites to get phished. Their mail account can be 
scraped from thousands of places on the web, or picked up off the dark web for 
compromised sources.

-D


On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Curt Raymond 
mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

If they couldn't go to those websites at all then they couldn't get phished...

-Curt

On Friday, June 25, 2021, 4:38:38 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Actually, those things wouldn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to 
ransomware. The vehicle for ransomware is email and people who get sucked into 
clicking on things they shouldn’t.

Phishing is where it’s at, and humans are the weak link.

-D

> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
>> If they want to give me a locked-down machine, that can only access the 
>> internal network, VPN, a whitelist of approved external sites, etc. then
> fine, and it may be appropriate for a variety of reasons
>
> If corporations did that, they wouldn't be exposed to ransomware attacks 
> quite so often.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

They don’t have to go to web sites to get phished. Their mail account can be 
scraped from thousands of places on the web, or picked up off the dark web for 
compromised sources.

-D


On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Curt Raymond 
mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

If they couldn't go to those websites at all then they couldn't get phished...

-Curt

On Friday, June 25, 2021, 4:38:38 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Actually, those things wouldn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to 
ransomware. The vehicle for ransomware is email and people who get sucked into 
clicking on things they shouldn’t.

Phishing is where it’s at, and humans are the weak link.

-D

> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
>> If they want to give me a locked-down machine, that can only access the 
>> internal network, VPN, a whitelist of approved external sites, etc. then
> fine, and it may be appropriate for a variety of reasons
>
> If corporations did that, they wouldn't be exposed to ransomware attacks 
> quite so often.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 If they couldn't go to those websites at all then they couldn't get phished...
-Curt

On Friday, June 25, 2021, 4:38:38 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Actually, those things wouldn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to 
ransomware. The vehicle for ransomware is email and people who get sucked into 
clicking on things they shouldn’t.

Phishing is where it’s at, and humans are the weak link.

-D

> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> If they want to give me a locked-down machine, that can only access the 
>> internal network, VPN, a whitelist of approved external sites, etc. then
> fine, and it may be appropriate for a variety of reasons
> 
> If corporations did that, they wouldn't be exposed to ransomware attacks 
> quite so often.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Actually, those things wouldn’t make a lot of difference when it comes to 
ransomware. The vehicle for ransomware is email and people who get sucked into 
clicking on things they shouldn’t.

Phishing is where it’s at, and humans are the weak link.

-D

> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> If they want to give me a locked-down machine, that can only access the 
>> internal network, VPN, a whitelist of approved external sites, etc. then
> fine, and it may be appropriate for a variety of reasons
> 
> If corporations did that, they wouldn't be exposed to ransomware attacks 
> quite so often.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> If they want to give me a locked-down machine, that can only access the 
> internal network, VPN, a whitelist of approved external sites, etc. then
fine, and it may be appropriate for a variety of reasons

If corporations did that, they wouldn't be exposed to ransomware attacks quite 
so often.


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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Just like the dam*ed insurance companies wanting to track your driving 
habits.




On 25/06/2021 2:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

This is basically the old "if you've got nothing to hide you have
nothing to fear" argument.

 "The premise [is] that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's
 not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for
 maintaining the human condition with respect and dignity"

 - Bruce Schneier

For me it's a matter of mutual respect and trust.

Would you enjoy working with your boss hovering behind your shoulder,
watching everything you do, all day, every day? I would not, and am not
happy to tolerate the same thing happening virtually.

If they want to give me a locked-down machine, that can only access the
internal network, VPN, a whitelist of approved external sites, etc. then
fine, and it may be appropriate for a variety of reasons. But if they
are going to be tracking and critiquing how many keystrokes per minute I
am averaging, randomly turning on my camera or taking screen shots to
see what I am doing, etc. then that's crossing the line.

Allan

"dan penoff.com via Mercedes"  writes:


I would add that there are a lot of companies out there who employ these tools 
but don’t tell their employees. More than you might imagine.

So dumping an employer because they use such things doesn’t make a lot of 
sense. Simply conduct yourself appropriately when working and you’ve got 
nothing to worry about. You’re using their resources to do a job you’re hired 
to do, not to surf the Web or watch “Karen” videos on Facebook.

-D


On Jun 24, 2021, at 11:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to another 
company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same holding 
company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from one hand to 
the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing software that 
captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where employees are. Wtf?

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

This is basically the old "if you've got nothing to hide you have
nothing to fear" argument.

"The premise [is] that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's
not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for
maintaining the human condition with respect and dignity"

- Bruce Schneier

For me it's a matter of mutual respect and trust.

Would you enjoy working with your boss hovering behind your shoulder,
watching everything you do, all day, every day? I would not, and am not
happy to tolerate the same thing happening virtually.

If they want to give me a locked-down machine, that can only access the
internal network, VPN, a whitelist of approved external sites, etc. then
fine, and it may be appropriate for a variety of reasons. But if they
are going to be tracking and critiquing how many keystrokes per minute I
am averaging, randomly turning on my camera or taking screen shots to
see what I am doing, etc. then that's crossing the line.

Allan

"dan penoff.com via Mercedes"  writes:

> I would add that there are a lot of companies out there who employ these 
> tools but don’t tell their employees. More than you might imagine.
>
> So dumping an employer because they use such things doesn’t make a lot of 
> sense. Simply conduct yourself appropriately when working and you’ve got 
> nothing to worry about. You’re using their resources to do a job you’re hired 
> to do, not to surf the Web or watch “Karen” videos on Facebook.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 11:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to another 
>> company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same holding 
>> company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from one hand 
>> to the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing software 
>> that captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where employees 
>> are. Wtf? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 

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[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It’s a red herring.

We had to fight with our HR department to make some of them understand that 
logging people’s activity was not a means by which you can determine if they 
were working. Fortunately, our HR director recognizes that it’s the employee’s 
work product that shows if they’re performing or not.

Just because an employee is or is not on their computer doesn’t mean they are 
or are not working. It would never stand up in a dispute, unless you have very 
specific activities or tasks that person is supposed to perform.

For instance, I have to complete a training class for a performance item in my 
annual plan. I spent time using the (written) study materials, meaning I was 
not on my computer, I was studying. That doesn’t mean I wasn’t working.

It’s almost as dumb as the employers who use activity monitors - software that 
records or monitors activity on a computer. Push your mouse around once every 
15 minutes and it’s happy. There is even third party software to routinely 
simulate mouse clicks or activity on a timed basis to defeat these. Dumb.

-D

> On Jun 25, 2021, at 8:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It doesn’t matter to me as far as doing things I should not be. They 
> announced this as it was supposed to be exciting news and part of our work 
> from home plan. I have already been working from home but it is a new concept 
> for the office people. In this case it sounds like they are basically using  
> it to track when you are working, and where you are at. In my departments 
> case, we have a job to do but are not in front of our computer the whole 
> time. In fact, depending on what we may have scheduled some days we may have 
> some work to do in the morning, but nothing scheduled in the afternoon and 
> just fielding phone calls. In that case we are not sitting there at our 
> computer. We might be on the golf course, or outside working on a old 
> Mercedes, or running errands. It’s just more about big brother corporate 
> overlords than anything. I’m sure there are snowflakes in the office that 
> might need such control. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And why would this matter unless you’re doing things that aren’t business 
>> related on the business’ computer(s)?
>> 
>> This is a concept that some people just don’t seem to be able to grasp, and 
>> it never ceases to amaze me. I’ve seen people who do all sorts of personal 
>> stuff like deal with doctors, do their taxes, even run a home rental 
>> business on a work computer. How stupid can you be?
>> 
>> My personal favorite is when someone is job seeking and they use their work 
>> computer to send out resumes and correspond with potential employers. That 
>> takes some balls. Or they’re insanely ignorant.
>> 
>> And of course this could be a massive bluff, too. Software that does this is 
>> stupid expensive. They might be saying this and then just putting it on a 
>> small group of machines, too.
>> 
>> Quite honestly, they’ve got plenty of information from the logs and browser 
>> history to nail you up if you’re playing around. We pull this stuff all of 
>> the time for our HR department. I don’t need screen shots or keystrokes to 
>> tell if you’re goofing off or where our computer is located.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 24, 2021, at 11:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to another 
>>> company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same holding 
>>> company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from one hand 
>>> to the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing software 
>>> that captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where employees 
>>> are. Wtf? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It doesn’t matter to me as far as doing things I should not be. They announced 
this as it was supposed to be exciting news and part of our work from home 
plan. I have already been working from home but it is a new concept for the 
office people. In this case it sounds like they are basically using  it to 
track when you are working, and where you are at. In my departments case, we 
have a job to do but are not in front of our computer the whole time. In fact, 
depending on what we may have scheduled some days we may have some work to do 
in the morning, but nothing scheduled in the afternoon and just fielding phone 
calls. In that case we are not sitting there at our computer. We might be on 
the golf course, or outside working on a old Mercedes, or running errands. It’s 
just more about big brother corporate overlords than anything. I’m sure there 
are snowflakes in the office that might need such control. 

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> On Jun 25, 2021, at 4:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And why would this matter unless you’re doing things that aren’t business 
> related on the business’ computer(s)?
> 
> This is a concept that some people just don’t seem to be able to grasp, and 
> it never ceases to amaze me. I’ve seen people who do all sorts of personal 
> stuff like deal with doctors, do their taxes, even run a home rental business 
> on a work computer. How stupid can you be?
> 
> My personal favorite is when someone is job seeking and they use their work 
> computer to send out resumes and correspond with potential employers. That 
> takes some balls. Or they’re insanely ignorant.
> 
> And of course this could be a massive bluff, too. Software that does this is 
> stupid expensive. They might be saying this and then just putting it on a 
> small group of machines, too.
> 
> Quite honestly, they’ve got plenty of information from the logs and browser 
> history to nail you up if you’re playing around. We pull this stuff all of 
> the time for our HR department. I don’t need screen shots or keystrokes to 
> tell if you’re goofing off or where our computer is located.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2021, at 11:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to another 
>> company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same holding 
>> company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from one hand 
>> to the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing software 
>> that captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where employees 
>> are. Wtf? 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I would add that there are a lot of companies out there who employ these tools 
but don’t tell their employees. More than you might imagine.

So dumping an employer because they use such things doesn’t make a lot of 
sense. Simply conduct yourself appropriately when working and you’ve got 
nothing to worry about. You’re using their resources to do a job you’re hired 
to do, not to surf the Web or watch “Karen” videos on Facebook.

-D

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 11:03 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to another 
> company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same holding 
> company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from one hand 
> to the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing software 
> that captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where employees 
> are. Wtf? 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And why would this matter unless you’re doing things that aren’t business 
related on the business’ computer(s)?

This is a concept that some people just don’t seem to be able to grasp, and it 
never ceases to amaze me. I’ve seen people who do all sorts of personal stuff 
like deal with doctors, do their taxes, even run a home rental business on a 
work computer. How stupid can you be?

My personal favorite is when someone is job seeking and they use their work 
computer to send out resumes and correspond with potential employers. That 
takes some balls. Or they’re insanely ignorant.

And of course this could be a massive bluff, too. Software that does this is 
stupid expensive. They might be saying this and then just putting it on a small 
group of machines, too.

Quite honestly, they’ve got plenty of information from the logs and browser 
history to nail you up if you’re playing around. We pull this stuff all of the 
time for our HR department. I don’t need screen shots or keystrokes to tell if 
you’re goofing off or where our computer is located.

-D

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 11:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to another 
> company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same holding 
> company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from one hand 
> to the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing software 
> that captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where employees 
> are. Wtf? 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Clay via Mercedes]

And you are typing all this on the company phone?  

I quit trying to get SWMBA to not use her work tech on personal things.  Does 
not register that the bosses are tracking everything or that she is creating 
massive security hole in their network.  For a few bux she could snag a costco 
craptop to surf azamon, answer personal email, look at pr0n, chat up head 
hunters, or whatever perverse things dames do on computers.  She thinks the VPN 
will protect and absolve her.  I expect some spam phishing thing will infect 
the corporate interwebz or ransomware.

What do I know?

Clay


> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to another 
> company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same holding 
> company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from one hand 
> to the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing software 
> that captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where employees 
> are. Wtf? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Large Plantations in the Antebellum South used to employ teams of people,
with whips, guns and dogs to do much the same thing to keep the slaves
properly enslaved, make sure they gave full measure of work, and did not
run off.
Didn't you get the memo? It was the one titled "We Own You"... No need to
worry, the software and chip hardware was developed by China, so nothing to
worry about..

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to
> another company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same
> holding company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from
> one hand to the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing
> software that captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where
> employees are. Wtf?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Corporate spying software

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

If they own the computers you are using, legally they can do this but in my 
book it would be time to find a new employer... 

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Our company who is currently owned by a holding company was sold to another 
> company recently. This new company is actually owned by the same holding 
> company that owned us anyway so it seemed more like moving it from one hand 
> to the other. Anyway today they announced they will be installing software 
> that captures screen shots, key strokes, and GPS to track where employees 
> are. Wtf? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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