Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
Ulra low sulpher diesel is the key. Mercedes pulled their newer disel line from the US market because of the sulpher content of our fuel, stating longevity and warranty issues. What other car maker in the world would not sell to the greatest consumer market in the world because the cars might only last 200,000 miles instead of 300,000 miles?? Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E I don't get MB. You'd think they'd start putting diesel engines in more cars. I know that folks who buy a new MB can usually afford to put gasoline in the tank, but at the same time, there must be a large cross section that would like to be able to say they get really good mileage in their new XX class MB. Donchathink? You gotta keep up, Slater. The new V-6 4-cam twin-turbo 4th generation common-rail diesel will be available in the G, M, C E series as '07 models when ultra-low sulfur diesel becomes available. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
Tom Hargrave wrote: Ulra low sulpher diesel is the key. Mercedes pulled their newer disel line from the US market because of the sulpher content of our fuel, stating longevity and warranty issues. What other car maker in the world would not sell to the greatest consumer market in the world because the cars might only last 200,000 miles instead of 300,000 miles?? The use of higher sulfur fuels can cause SERIOUS and EXPENSIVE emissions related engine problems (covered by extended warranties and governed by EPA) in a rather short period of time - especially if the car is driven in the usual US city cycle. Mercedes lost their shirt on the trap oxidizer introduced in the mid '80s. Cost them between $2-3k per car (and there were more than 25,000 cars) to straighten that out. With high sulfur fuel and a CDI diesel with advance emissions controls the cost would be MUCH higher per car. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last 300kmi. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 4/26/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ulra low sulpher diesel is the key. Mercedes pulled their newer disel line from the US market because of the sulpher content of our fuel, stating longevity and warranty issues. What other car maker in the world would not sell to the greatest consumer market in the world because the cars might only last 200,000 miles instead of 300,000 miles?? Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E I don't get MB. You'd think they'd start putting diesel engines in more cars. I know that folks who buy a new MB can usually afford to put gasoline in the tank, but at the same time, there must be a large cross section that would like to be able to say they get really good mileage in their new XX class MB. Donchathink? You gotta keep up, Slater. The new V-6 4-cam twin-turbo 4th generation common-rail diesel will be available in the G, M, C E series as '07 models when ultra-low sulfur diesel becomes available. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
dave walton wrote: If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last 300kmi. A rather large number of HIGHWAY driven '98-99 E300TDs have rolled up well over 200kmi - mostly without major problems. It's a matter of how much they are driven and for how long. A diesel driven 25-30kmi a year will probably last for 250-300kmi, but one driven 10 kmi a year won't last 250-300kmi. The new cars will NOT last a long time - they are only expected to least about 10-15 years so 100-150kmi is about as long as they will go. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
The issue is not likely to be the mechanicals and their longevity, it will be the electronics crapping out, and extreemly expensive modules will have to be diagonosed, replaced, etc. if the owner chooses. You are correct in that these are time-dependent, as opposed to miles. I would expect that in a few years you will see lots of nice used cars (Benzes and everything else) sitting around that are inop due to the electronics problems. They will probably get shipped to Mexico (or Oklahoma?), fixed in some fashion, resold... My neighbor had a C class wagon, it was constantly frying various electrical/onic bits, she finally got them to take it back on trade-in for a newer one, which is behaving a bit better. Wonder where that nice new car ended up. --R Marshall Booth wrote: dave walton wrote: If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last 300kmi. A rather large number of HIGHWAY driven '98-99 E300TDs have rolled up well over 200kmi - mostly without major problems. It's a matter of how much they are driven and for how long. A diesel driven 25-30kmi a year will probably last for 250-300kmi, but one driven 10 kmi a year won't last 250-300kmi. The new cars will NOT last a long time - they are only expected to least about 10-15 years so 100-150kmi is about as long as they will go. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
Which underscores the benefits of owning 123/124/126 and 201 cars. These are still true Mercedes Benz. With care, they will last a long time. That is why I have a pristine spare 126. If I ever drive my SDL into the ground, I have the next one ready. This point relates to Johhny B's question if they are worth it, and also to my earlier thread about why we drive old Mercedes. Now the bluetec engine is very interesting, but at the same time, mechanical injection is very comforting, because it does not rely on any electrical components to run. I might be persuaded at some point to try a bluetec engine, but I doubt I will ever be as comfortable with it as I am with mechanical injection. At 09:43 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote: dave walton wrote: If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last 300kmi. A rather large number of HIGHWAY driven '98-99 E300TDs have rolled up well over 200kmi - mostly without major problems. It's a matter of how much they are driven and for how long. A diesel driven 25-30kmi a year will probably last for 250-300kmi, but one driven 10 kmi a year won't last 250-300kmi. The new cars will NOT last a long time - they are only expected to least about 10-15 years so 100-150kmi is about as long as they will go. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
More specifically, the chassis, and fancy electronic widgets, may have a tough time making it past 300kmi. Seems Mercedes stopped making the million mile car after the W124. Now, on the other hand, the newer diesel engines may be ok (mechanically) far past 300k with proper maintenance. I'm sticking with the W124 for many years to come, thank you berry much. =) -Dave M. -- Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:26:52 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last 300kmi. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300
Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
I don't get MB. You'd think they'd start putting diesel engines in more cars. I know that folks who buy a new MB can usually afford to put gasoline in the tank, but at the same time, there must be a large cross section that would like to be able to say they get really good mileage in their new XX class MB. Donchathink? You gotta keep up, Slater. The new V-6 4-cam twin-turbo 4th generation common-rail diesel will be available in the G, M, C E series as '07 models when ultra-low sulfur diesel becomes available. RLE
