Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
Sorry to be so late on this response: there is no distinct taste of vinegar to me in the finished broth. It is a small enough amount that the taste blends in nicely with the other flavors. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:48:03 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, it seems like the cooled broth is more gelatinous when I have added the vinegar. I confess I don't understand the chemistry of that. Perhaps the acid facilitates dissolving of the cartilage and connective tissue too. Is the vinegar taste evident in the finished product? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
Well, I will assume you are all granted immortality by consuming this special broth unless you personally advise me otherwise. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:48:03 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, it seems like the cooled broth is more gelatinous when I have added the vinegar. I confess I don't understand the chemistry of that. Perhaps the acid facilitates dissolving of the cartilage and connective tissue too. Is the vinegar taste evident in the finished product? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Andrew wrote: Well, I will assume you are all granted immortality by consuming this special broth unless you personally advise me otherwise. ...eh... Immortality is probably waay over rated, if not fantastical. I'll take tasty and good for health, please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:48:03 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, it seems like the cooled broth is more gelatinous when I have added the vinegar. I confess I don't understand the chemistry of that. Perhaps the acid facilitates dissolving of the cartilage and connective tissue too. Is the vinegar taste evident in the finished product? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
Yes, it seems like the cooled broth is more gelatinous when I have added the vinegar. I confess I don't understand the chemistry of that. Perhaps the acid facilitates dissolving of the cartilage and connective tissue too. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers Greg wrote: ...add a little vinegar to the water before boiling. It increases the acidity enough to help dissolve the calcium from the bones into the soup. They want cooled broth to be gelatinous. Does your vinegar addition help to get gelatinous broth when cooled? mao - at least this is not M1 versus Delvac... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
Using bones for soup stock (or anything else you use stock in) is as old as cooking. Best to roast the bones to get rid of some of the fat an brown them a bit for more flavor, then simmer overnight (12 hours or longer, no boiling, simmering) to dissolve all the collagen. Very rich tasty broth, I save all my bones from chicken, pork, and beef and when I have a pot full make stock. Soup if you want, but I use stock in stew, braised dishes, and so forth. Waste not want not, and in this case, why throw out all that flavor? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
clay wrote: ...Reminded me of Granny having a pot on the stove each week where she was drowning bones. My neighbor said people keep this stuff on the stove all the time for generations. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Greg wrote: ...add a little vinegar to the water before boiling. It increases the acidity enough to help dissolve the calcium from the bones into the soup. They want cooled broth to be gelatinous. Does your vinegar addition help to get gelatinous broth when cooled? mao - at least this is not M1 versus Delvac... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mom was on the veggie bandwagon for a number of years, and ended up with pernicious anemia. Now she has severe neuropathy, needs meds, B12 shots, and occasionally eats red meat. The damage is done, and after seeing the results on her and on my sister, you would be hard pressed to convince me a vegan diet is not cruel and unusual torture. clay On Feb 27, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Lack of B12 is very serious -- in some cases, called pernicious anemia the body stops making the cofactor necessary for transport out of the small intestine into the blood stream. The result is severe anemia. This can result in permanent nerve damage, mental impairment, muscle weakness. Not good at all, a friend suffers from this and is only doing OK after six or seven years of injected B12. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Seattle is huge on the current bone soup craze. There was a full page in the paper dedicated to recipes and the latest thoughts on its goodness. Reminded me of Granny having a pot on the stove each week where she was drowning bones. That stuff smelled so good. No idea what all she used the stuff in. clay On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I don't think he meant bone meal, but soup bones boiled in stock to prepare soup. These are usually the bones left over after cutting meat into roasts, steaks, etc., then cut up into smaller pieces - again usually including the joints (hence the cartilage). This makes a great tasting beef soup. However, I'm not sure that eating cartilage is going to add it to your body, just as eating the cholesterol in eggs does not put cholesterol in your arteries. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mountain Man wrote: The lady said intestine and brain have gobs of cartilage and eating bone soup broth is excellent for health along with salt and fat. I can live with that...snip It's been long enough for the public to have forgotten about people eating bone products back in the '70s and then dying. The manufacturers had bought tons of Argentine beef bones because it was by far cheaper than other sources, and used it in the manufacture of various liquids, pills, and food products. The problem was that the Argentine bones had large amounts of (arsenic?). There had been many claims that bone calcium was more easily utilized in the body than other forms; plus other claims about it's health benefits, so there were many victims. This is the first time I've read anything about bone meal in the diet since then. As long as they don't use Argentine bone meal, it should be fine. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Greg wrote: WRT bones in soup: what I like to do with a chicken carcass when I make soup is to add a little vinegar to the water before boiling. It increases the acidity enough to help dissolve the calcium from the bones into the soup. Yup. Best if the bones sit in the vinegar water for an hour or so before heating the water. Then boil the bones, skin, fat, etc for many hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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WRT bones in soup: what I like to do with a chicken carcass when I make soup is to add a little vinegar to the water before boiling. It increases the acidity enough to help dissolve the calcium from the bones into the soup. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 5:41 PM To: Peter Frederick; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers Mom was on the veggie bandwagon for a number of years, and ended up with pernicious anemia. Now she has severe neuropathy, needs meds, B12 shots, and occasionally eats red meat. The damage is done, and after seeing the results on her and on my sister, you would be hard pressed to convince me a vegan diet is not cruel and unusual torture. clay On Feb 27, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Lack of B12 is very serious -- in some cases, called pernicious anemia the body stops making the cofactor necessary for transport out of the small intestine into the blood stream. The result is severe anemia. This can result in permanent nerve damage, mental impairment, muscle weakness. Not good at all, a friend suffers from this and is only doing OK after six or seven years of injected B12. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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OK Don wrote: ...This makes a great tasting beef soup. The radio show also mentioned chicken feet and head. Evidently all of the chicken heads and feet slaughtered in USA goes to Japan. They said it makes tasty broth? I might like to try that sometime, mmm chix head and feet. I just don't want to know about it. Sometimes it is best not knowing... Not unlike The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Chicken feet are sometimes served at Chinese dim sum restaurants. Very tasty though a PIA to eat. Never seen or eaten the head, though, and not interested.. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK Don wrote: ...This makes a great tasting beef soup. The radio show also mentioned chicken feet and head. Evidently all of the chicken heads and feet slaughtered in USA goes to Japan. They said it makes tasty broth? I might like to try that sometime, mmm chix head and feet. I just don't want to know about it. Sometimes it is best not knowing... Not unlike The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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OK Don wrote: I don't think he meant bone meal, but soup bones boiled in stock to prepare soup. These are usually the bones left over after cutting meat into roasts, steaks, etc., then cut up into smaller pieces - again usually including the joints (hence the cartilage). This makes a great tasting beef soup. Mountain wrote: Evidently all of the chicken heads and feet slaughtered in USA goes to Japan. They said it makes tasty broth? I don't know about heads. But we like the broth from feet. I know some folks that raise organic chickens and I occasionally get feet from them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Andrew wrote: ...The only concession he makes is he will now eat oysters... I ate can of smoked oysters the other day. Product of China - no thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
I don't think he meant bone meal, but soup bones boiled in stock to prepare soup. These are usually the bones left over after cutting meat into roasts, steaks, etc., then cut up into smaller pieces - again usually including the joints (hence the cartilage). This makes a great tasting beef soup. However, I'm not sure that eating cartilage is going to add it to your body, just as eating the cholesterol in eggs does not put cholesterol in your arteries. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mountain Man wrote: The lady said intestine and brain have gobs of cartilage and eating bone soup broth is excellent for health along with salt and fat. I can live with that...snip It's been long enough for the public to have forgotten about people eating bone products back in the '70s and then dying. The manufacturers had bought tons of Argentine beef bones because it was by far cheaper than other sources, and used it in the manufacture of various liquids, pills, and food products. The problem was that the Argentine bones had large amounts of (arsenic?). There had been many claims that bone calcium was more easily utilized in the body than other forms; plus other claims about it's health benefits, so there were many victims. This is the first time I've read anything about bone meal in the diet since then. As long as they don't use Argentine bone meal, it should be fine. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Peter wrote: ...the body stops making the cofactor necessary for transport out of the small intestine into the blood stream. Dang!! The stuff people know on this list - amazing!! Cofactor? - I would need to google that to know more. A recent People's Pharmacy radio show interviewed a lady from Weston A Price foundation which is a health organization of sorts - I know the name somehow. The lady said intestine and brain have gobs of cartilage and eating bone soup broth is excellent for health along with salt and fat. I can live with that. The largest selling highest priced yogurt is greek - highest fat content. People want fat but the largest amount of shelf space is low fat, salt free. Live healthy - eat. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mountain Man wrote: The lady said intestine and brain have gobs of cartilage and eating bone soup broth is excellent for health along with salt and fat. I can live with that...snip It's been long enough for the public to have forgotten about people eating bone products back in the '70s and then dying. The manufacturers had bought tons of Argentine beef bones because it was by far cheaper than other sources, and used it in the manufacture of various liquids, pills, and food products. The problem was that the Argentine bones had large amounts of (arsenic?). There had been many claims that bone calcium was more easily utilized in the body than other forms; plus other claims about it's health benefits, so there were many victims. This is the first time I've read anything about bone meal in the diet since then. As long as they don't use Argentine bone meal, it should be fine. As far as eating brain...? Everybody says Mad Cow Disease has been eliminated but has it? Gerry Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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My son is a karate black belt and krav maga practitioner. 5'9 and 175 lbs. of pure muscle. Been vegan since he was 18 - now 35. The only concession he makes is he will now eat oysters... On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:22 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A graduate student, who was a vegetarian runner, came into the lab draw station for a large number of blood tests one day. He had gone to one of the doctors next door because he was having problems with memory; a serious situation for any college student. His lab reports were normal for all but two tests, B-12 and folate, both of which were very low. The doctor told him to eat meat every day and have another B-12/folate test in a month. Those tests were normal but his memory was still deficient. I haven't kept up with it, but I think the vegans have devised a diet that will provide B-12 and folate without eating meat which is the usual source. So far, this seems to be the major deficiency in a 100% vegan diet so long as there is enough iron in the diet to prevent anemia. Gerry .. Snip...In spite of the conventional wisdom, it is entirely possible to be too thin, and many fad diets are lacking in nutrients. Humans have been omnivores for millions of years, vegan diets are very likely to be lacking in things like vitamin B12, which is only found in a couple plant sources (that most people don't eat)...Snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Bingo - we have a change of subject line. RB On 27/02/2015 10:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My son is a karate black belt and krav maga practitioner. 5'9 and 175 lbs. of pure muscle. Been vegan since he was 18 - now 35. The only concession he makes is he will now eat oysters... On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:22 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A graduate student, who was a vegetarian runner, came into the lab draw station for a large number of blood tests one day. He had gone to one of the doctors next door because he was having problems with memory; a serious situation for any college student. His lab reports were normal for all but two tests, B-12 and folate, both of which were very low. The doctor told him to eat meat every day and have another B-12/folate test in a month. Those tests were normal but his memory was still deficient. I haven't kept up with it, but I think the vegans have devised a diet that will provide B-12 and folate without eating meat which is the usual source. So far, this seems to be the major deficiency in a 100% vegan diet so long as there is enough iron in the diet to prevent anemia. Gerry .. Snip...In spite of the conventional wisdom, it is entirely possible to be too thin, and many fad diets are lacking in nutrients. Humans have been omnivores for millions of years, vegan diets are very likely to be lacking in things like vitamin B12, which is only found in a couple plant sources (that most people don't eat)...Snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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It's because I pointed out something about the fat guy and someone started in on vegans and then... --R On 2/27/15 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Bingo - we have a change of subject line. RB On 27/02/2015 10:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My son is a karate black belt and krav maga practitioner. 5'9 and 175 lbs. of pure muscle. Been vegan since he was 18 - now 35. The only concession he makes is he will now eat oysters... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Lack of B12 is very serious -- in some cases, called pernicious anemia the body stops making the cofactor necessary for transport out of the small intestine into the blood stream. The result is severe anemia. This can result in permanent nerve damage, mental impairment, muscle weakness. Not good at all, a friend suffers from this and is only doing OK after six or seven years of injected B12. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
I think that many of our discussion are like real life verbal ones (as opposed to these virtual ones) where the topic changes several times during the course of the discussion. Our technical topics tend to stay on topic more than the general ones (which I put the deadliest cars into) though they also can devolve into an endless oil thread - - - On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It's because I pointed out something about the fat guy and someone started in on vegans and then... --R On 2/27/15 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Bingo - we have a change of subject line. RB -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
