Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Yeah, what he said. --R On 12/5/11 9:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com writes: And patiencently applied skill. Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak pont = end of threads). If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below. And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off, just wait until you have an EZ-Out snaps off. Don't ask me how I know. Luckily I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz. Pretty much everything else though. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
On 05/12/2011 8:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com writes: And patiencently applied skill. Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak pont = end of threads). If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below. And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off,just wait until you have an EZ-Out snaps off. Don't ask me how I know. Luckily I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz. Pretty much everything else though. Allan That was when I got the new caliper! (not MB - old Suburban a number of years back) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
I bet the caliper rebuilders love receiving those cores! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 05/12/2011 8:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com writes: And patiencently applied skill. Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak pont = end of threads). If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below. And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off,just wait until you have an EZ-Out snaps off. Don't ask me how I know. Luckily I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz. Pretty much everything else though. Allan That was when I got the new caliper! (not MB - old Suburban a number of years back) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Probably not all rebuilders. Rebuilder of a set I bought had apparently drilled out and rethreaded the ports and installed bigger bleeder valves that could only be loosened/tightened with a U.S. size wrench. Don't know if the threads were metric or U.S. Gerry From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com I bet the caliper rebuilders love receiving those cores! Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com writes: And patiencently applied skill. Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak pont = end of threads). If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below. And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off,just wait until you have an EZ-Out snaps off. Don't ask me how I know. Luckily I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz. Pretty much everything else though. Allan That was when I got the new caliper! (not MB - old Suburban a number of years back) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4060 - Release Date: 12/06/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
What are the bleeder screws actually made of? Brass? Steel? Do they so often get stuck due to galvanic action between dissimilar metals or simply rusting? Brake fittings are hollow steel, thus somewhat weak, and they rust. There's a lot of heat and water down there, not to mention road salt. The calipers are iron, but I don't think there's much galvanic action even though the metals aren't identical. Penetrant and heat are your friends. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
And patiencently applied skill. Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak pont = end of threads). If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below. Brake fittings are hollow steel, thus somewhat weak, and they rust. There's a lot of heat and water down there, not to mention road salt. The calipers are iron, but I don't think there's much galvanic action even though the metals aren't identical. Penetrant and heat are your friends. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com writes: And patiencently applied skill. Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak pont = end of threads). If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below. And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off, just wait until you have an EZ-Out snaps off. Don't ask me how I know. Luckily I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz. Pretty much everything else though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
As Elmer Fudd used to say: Be vewy vewy careful Coat the threads, but not the tip. Actually, I think Elmer's quote is overdone. Just be careful to only put it on the threads. Well, I think you have convinced me! I tremble every time I crack open a bleeder that looks rusty. I will start applying the antiseize from now on. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
How about just the tip? Sorry, I couldn't help myself:) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: As Elmer Fudd used to say: Be vewy vewy careful Coat the threads, but not the tip. Actually, I think Elmer's quote is overdone. Just be careful to only put it on the threads. Well, I think you have convinced me! I tremble every time I crack open a bleeder that looks rusty. I will start applying the antiseize from now on. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
If you do just the tip Your Fuzes WILL MELT :-D On 12/4/2011 11:36 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: How about just the tip? Sorry, I couldn't help myself:) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: As Elmer Fudd used to say: Be vewy vewy careful Coat the threads, but not the tip. Actually, I think Elmer's quote is overdone. Just be careful to only put it on the threads. Well, I think you have convinced me! I tremble every time I crack open a bleeder that looks rusty. I will start applying the antiseize from now on. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4056 - Release Date: 12/04/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Tell me about it' Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net wrote: If you do just the tip Your Fuzes WILL MELT :-D On 12/4/2011 11:36 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: How about just the tip? Sorry, I couldn't help myself:) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: As Elmer Fudd used to say: Be vewy vewy careful Coat the threads, but not the tip. Actually, I think Elmer's quote is overdone. Just be careful to only put it on the threads. Well, I think you have convinced me! I tremble every time I crack open a bleeder that looks rusty. I will start applying the antiseize from now on. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4056 - Release Date: 12/04/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
What about using pipe-sealing teflon tape on the bleeder threads? That would not tend to migrate to anywhere else, would it? Allan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: As Elmer Fudd used to say: Be vewy vewy careful Coat the threads, but not the tip. Actually, I think Elmer's quote is overdone. Just be careful to only put it on the threads. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Many professionals I know won't use tape anywhere. The little shreds go everywhere. They cause problems in gas valves, hydraulics etc. What about using pipe-sealing teflon tape on the bleeder threads? That would not tend to migrate to anywhere else, would it? Allan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: As Elmer Fudd used to say: Be vewy vewy careful Coat the threads, but not the tip. Actually, I think Elmer's quote is overdone. Just be careful to only put it on the threads. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
I like that idea. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: What about using pipe-sealing teflon tape on the bleeder threads? That would not tend to migrate to anywhere else, would it? Allan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: As Elmer Fudd used to say: Be vewy vewy careful Coat the threads, but not the tip. Actually, I think Elmer's quote is overdone. Just be careful to only put it on the threads. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Teflon tape should NOT be used in hydraulic systems. The seal effect relys on the cone shape of the tip and the area it sets in.. NOT the threads. More importantly, anti-seize compounds use materials that make a barrier against the thread and the body doing a rust weld and becoming one solid piece. Teflon does not do that, and in fact is not a very tough material.. ie. a teflon coated cooking pan must always use plastic food turners and such to keep from scratching through the surface. As soon as you thread the bleeder fitting on to the bore, it does exactly that, and you will have metal to metal contact that will rust in a salt / moisture environment. Grant... AZ... Where diesels roam free On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: I like that idea. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: What about using pipe-sealing teflon tape on the bleeder threads? That would not tend to migrate to anywhere else, would it? Allan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: As Elmer Fudd used to say: Be vewy vewy careful Coat the threads, but not the tip. Actually, I think Elmer's quote is overdone. Just be careful to only put it on the threads. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
What are the bleeder screws actually made of? Brass? Steel? Do they so often get stuck due to galvanic action between dissimilar metals or simply rusting? G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: Teflon tape should NOT be used in hydraulic systems. The seal effect relys on the cone shape of the tip and the area it sets in.. NOT the threads. More importantly, anti-seize compounds use materials that make a barrier against the thread and the body doing a rust weld and becoming one solid piece. Teflon does not do that, and in fact is not a very tough material.. ie. a teflon coated cooking pan must always use plastic food turners and such to keep from scratching through the surface. As soon as you thread the bleeder fitting on to the bore, it does exactly that, and you will have metal to metal contact that will rust in a salt / moisture environment. Grant... AZ... Where diesels roam free -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
They are made of steel but being hollow except for the conical seating surface at the base, they don't tolerate a lot of torque. They simply shear. This has happened to be at least three times and is a major pita. The last time it happened was on my pagoda. I couldn't get a replacement caliper soon enough for a pagoda gathering I organized so I drilled it out. I damaged the caliper threads a bit but it all came out leaving the conical seating surface unscathed. While bleeding some brake fluid would leak past the damaged threads but once tightened it formed an airtight leak free seal. I really don't care to have to deal with this problem again! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: What are the bleeder screws actually made of? Brass? Steel? Do they so often get stuck due to galvanic action between dissimilar metals or simply rusting? G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: Teflon tape should NOT be used in hydraulic systems. The seal effect relys on the cone shape of the tip and the area it sets in.. NOT the threads. More importantly, anti-seize compounds use materials that make a barrier against the thread and the body doing a rust weld and becoming one solid piece. Teflon does not do that, and in fact is not a very tough material.. ie. a teflon coated cooking pan must always use plastic food turners and such to keep from scratching through the surface. As soon as you thread the bleeder fitting on to the bore, it does exactly that, and you will have metal to metal contact that will rust in a salt / moisture environment. Grant... AZ... Where diesels roam free -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
When bleeding, the fluid is outbound, so no prob. If you are worrying about the minute contact of fluid with threads at the time the bleeder is closed, first I think it is inconsequential as the bleeder cuts off the fluid maybe 1/4 inside before the threads, so that minuscule potential contamination is likely isolated outside the working system. The brake fluid picks up pieces of rubber and metal from the parts. There is much more contamination from water, metal and rubber than any potential contamination from the threads on the bleeder screw. Ever look in the bottom of a 15-20 year old MB (or anything else) that has not been flushed and cleaned? I have seen 1/8 of crud in the bottom of the reservoir. I have had no failure of the brake systems I have applied anti-seize to. I have never busted a (anti-seize treated) bleeder either. I have only broke 1 bleeder, but I have changed some out because I didn't trust that they would not twist off if reused. Of the bleeders I have put anti-sieze on, I have had no issues of breaking or distorting bleeders. I do agree that it is not something you'd want to write into a manual, as a bunch of monkeys would schmear it on the end and in the hole of the caliper/cylinder. (40+ years of working on trucks, tractors, motorcycles and what have you.) Never-seez is your friend. in 1-2 million miles, the only brake failures I have had is when the front brake cable on my motorsickle broke, and that was no big deal, because I kept a spare clutch cable and a clutch-brake adapticator I made out of a chunk or 1/8 pipe under the seat. I agree about them breaking off. It has happened to me too many times but at the same time I wonder if some brake fluid doesn't reach at least some of the threads while bleeding. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders
Well, I think you have convinced me! I tremble every time I crack open a bleeder that looks rusty. I will start applying the antiseize from now on. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: When bleeding, the fluid is outbound, so no prob. If you are worrying about the minute contact of fluid with threads at the time the bleeder is closed, first I think it is inconsequential as the bleeder cuts off the fluid maybe 1/4 inside before the threads, so that minuscule potential contamination is likely isolated outside the working system. The brake fluid picks up pieces of rubber and metal from the parts. There is much more contamination from water, metal and rubber than any potential contamination from the threads on the bleeder screw. Ever look in the bottom of a 15-20 year old MB (or anything else) that has not been flushed and cleaned? I have seen 1/8 of crud in the bottom of the reservoir. I have had no failure of the brake systems I have applied anti-seize to. I have never busted a (anti-seize treated) bleeder either. I have only broke 1 bleeder, but I have changed some out because I didn't trust that they would not twist off if reused. Of the bleeders I have put anti-sieze on, I have had no issues of breaking or distorting bleeders. I do agree that it is not something you'd want to write into a manual, as a bunch of monkeys would schmear it on the end and in the hole of the caliper/cylinder. (40+ years of working on trucks, tractors, motorcycles and what have you.) Never-seez is your friend. in 1-2 million miles, the only brake failures I have had is when the front brake cable on my motorsickle broke, and that was no big deal, because I kept a spare clutch cable and a clutch-brake adapticator I made out of a chunk or 1/8 pipe under the seat. I agree about them breaking off. It has happened to me too many times but at the same time I wonder if some brake fluid doesn't reach at least some of the threads while bleeding. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
