Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-27 Thread Larry T
Would a piece of tubing attached to the lid of the bucket with a valve 
on it help?  The valve could throttle the amount of vacuum that went to 
lift the oil and waste the rest?


Lowes sells a 5 gal. paint bucket with lid for around $2 - it should be 
strong enough to withstand the vacuum and is large enough to hold all 
the oil in any MB engine.


LarryT
91 300D

On 5/25/2013 3:24 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

WILTON wrote:

See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would 
not; just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and 
vac tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the 
system slows down enough to drop the oil without entering the vac 
tube/hose.


It helps if there is a vent of sorts between the shop vac and the 
collection vessel so that:


1. the vac gets plenty of air for cooling
2. The vessel doesn't collapse
3. Flow velocity is low enough to prevent oil blowing around in a 
hurricane.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-27 Thread WILTON
A valve on the vacuum tube/hose?  Not the oil evac tube.  Yes, a valve to 
restrict vacuum or vent overboard (actually pull air into the hose from 
outside the hose between the vac unit and the oil receiver bucket) to reduce 
vacuum in the receiver bucket.


I think the Lowe's bucket you mentioned is identical (or very nearly) to the 
joint compound bucket that I had available by having used the joint compound 
that came in it.


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider


Would a piece of tubing attached to the lid of the bucket with a valve on 
it help?  The valve could throttle the amount of vacuum that went to lift 
the oil and waste the rest?


Lowes sells a 5 gal. paint bucket with lid for around $2 - it should be 
strong enough to withstand the vacuum and is large enough to hold all the 
oil in any MB engine.


LarryT
91 300D

On 5/25/2013 3:24 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

WILTON wrote:

See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would 
not; just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and vac 
tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the system slows 
down enough to drop the oil without entering the vac tube/hose.


It helps if there is a vent of sorts between the shop vac and the 
collection vessel so that:


1. the vac gets plenty of air for cooling
2. The vessel doesn't collapse
3. Flow velocity is low enough to prevent oil blowing around in a 
hurricane.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-27 Thread Dieselhead
A valve on the vacuum tube/hose?  Not the oil evac tube.  Yes, a 
valve to restrict vacuum or vent overboard (actually pull air into 
the hose from outside the hose between the vac unit and the oil 
receiver bucket) to reduce vacuum in the receiver bucket.


I think the Lowe's bucket you mentioned is identical (or very 
nearly) to the joint compound bucket that I had available by having 
used the joint compound that came in it.


Wilton



The lows/homedespot buckets are flimsy.  Use an icing bucket from 
your grocery store bakery or a joint compound bucket, oil bucket or 
similar.  They are much stronger.



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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-27 Thread Dan Penoff
Mine s a commercial paint bucket, and it's significantly stronger than the $2 
Lowes bucket.

I'm thinking maybe a PVC tube or pipe between the bucket and the vac hose with 
a tee and a valve?

Dan

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On May 27, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 A valve on the vacuum tube/hose?  Not the oil evac tube.  Yes, a valve to 
 restrict vacuum or vent overboard (actually pull air into the hose from 
 outside the hose between the vac unit and the oil receiver bucket) to reduce 
 vacuum in the receiver bucket.
 
 I think the Lowe's bucket you mentioned is identical (or very nearly) to the 
 joint compound bucket that I had available by having used the joint compound 
 that came in it.
 
 Wilton
 
 
 The lows/homedespot buckets are flimsy.  Use an icing bucket from your 
 grocery store bakery or a joint compound bucket, oil bucket or similar.  They 
 are much stronger.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-27 Thread Craig
On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:16:45 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Mine s a commercial paint bucket, and it's significantly stronger than
 the $2 Lowes bucket.

Sounds good.


 I'm thinking maybe a PVC tube or pipe between the bucket and the vac
 hose with a tee and a valve?

Sounds like a little overkill, but it will work well. Start the process
with the valve completely open and then close it gradually until you have
sufficient oil flow. Remember, the process is not instantaneous, so don't
be tempted to close the valve too much. Monitor the bucket and open the
valve if the bucket is starting to collapse.

A multi-turn bonnet valve may allow more adjustability than a ball valve,
though the latter may provide less restriction when fully open.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-27 Thread Rich Thomas
You guys are really overthinking the $2 sucker, unless you want a $20 
sucker.


You can use a metal paint can too, the 5gal ones, if you are concerned 
about the plastic skwooshing up.  Or just get a beer and let it do its 
thing.


--R


On 5/27/13 11:16 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Mine s a commercial paint bucket, and it's significantly stronger than the $2 
Lowes bucket.

I'm thinking maybe a PVC tube or pipe between the bucket and the vac hose with 
a tee and a valve?

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On May 27, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


A valve on the vacuum tube/hose?  Not the oil evac tube.  Yes, a valve to 
restrict vacuum or vent overboard (actually pull air into the hose from outside 
the hose between the vac unit and the oil receiver bucket) to reduce vacuum in 
the receiver bucket.

I think the Lowe's bucket you mentioned is identical (or very nearly) to the 
joint compound bucket that I had available by having used the joint compound 
that came in it.

Wilton


The lows/homedespot buckets are flimsy.  Use an icing bucket from your grocery 
store bakery or a joint compound bucket, oil bucket or similar.  They are much 
stronger.


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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-27 Thread Larry T

Hello Wilton --
I think you're right about the joint compound bucket- BTW, I bought one 
30 years ago because it was so cheap - but in 25 years i used very 
little of it and it finally got bad and  I tossed it.


The vent you are talking about to limit the vacuum was what I was trying 
to say - thanks for articulating it better than i could ...;-)


Larryt

On 5/27/2013 10:30 AM, WILTON wrote:
A valve on the vacuum tube/hose?  Not the oil evac tube.  Yes, a valve 
to restrict vacuum or vent overboard (actually pull air into the hose 
from outside the hose between the vac unit and the oil receiver 
bucket) to reduce vacuum in the receiver bucket.


I think the Lowe's bucket you mentioned is identical (or very nearly) 
to the joint compound bucket that I had available by having used the 
joint compound that came in it.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider


Would a piece of tubing attached to the lid of the bucket with a 
valve on it help?  The valve could throttle the amount of vacuum that 
went to lift the oil and waste the rest?


Lowes sells a 5 gal. paint bucket with lid for around $2 - it should 
be strong enough to withstand the vacuum and is large enough to hold 
all the oil in any MB engine.


LarryT
91 300D

On 5/25/2013 3:24 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

WILTON wrote:

See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I 
would not; just provide adequate separation between oil discharge 
tube and vac tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air 
in the system slows down enough to drop the oil without entering 
the vac tube/hose.


It helps if there is a vent of sorts between the shop vac and the 
collection vessel so that:


1. the vac gets plenty of air for cooling
2. The vessel doesn't collapse
3. Flow velocity is low enough to prevent oil blowing around in a 
hurricane.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread Rich Thomas
That might keep oil from migrating to the vac side but if it is too long 
there will be bubbling.  I wouldn't worry about it.


--R

On 5/25/13 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

So, I'm going to do this using a 5 gallon paint bucket/can and my shop vac.  I 
just can't recall - did we say that there should be a dip tube on the line from 
the oil pan or not?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread WILTON

See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would not; 
just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and vac 
tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the system slows 
down enough to drop the oil without entering the vac tube/hose.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:43 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider


So, I'm going to do this using a 5 gallon paint bucket/can and my shop 
vac.  I just can't recall - did we say that there should be a dip tube on 
the line from the oil pan or not?


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread OK Don
If you mean a tube to insert all the way into the oil pan, no - at least
from the 123 on, probably not for the 114/115 as well. Just a tube that
will slip snuggly into the top of the dip stick tube where it is fat, no
further.


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

 Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would not;
 just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and vac
 tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the system slows
 down enough to drop the oil without entering the vac tube/hose.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

 So, I'm going to do this using a 5 gallon paint bucket/can and my shop
 vac.  I just can't recall - did we say that there should be a dip tube on
 the line from the oil pan or not?

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread Dan Penoff
Yes, the tube going into the bucket, not the one going into the dipstick tube. 
Sorry for any confusion.

I just want to minimize the potential for oil mist getting into the shop vac.

 Dan

Sent from my iPad

On May 25, 2013, at 1:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.
 
 Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would not; 
 just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and vac tube/hose 
 at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the system slows down enough to 
 drop the oil without entering the vac tube/hose.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:43 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider
 
 
 So, I'm going to do this using a 5 gallon paint bucket/can and my shop vac.  
 I just can't recall - did we say that there should be a dip tube on the line 
 from the oil pan or not?
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread WILTON
Engine oil dipstick tube goes to lowest point in the pan; use entire inner 
diameter of dipstick tube to extract/carry oil; attach oil evac tube to TOP 
of dipstick tube.  5/8 O. D. plastic tube with fabric in walls to help it 
resist collapsing due to heat and vacuum works very nicely for me; fits 
nicely inside the fat area at TOP of dipstick tube.  (If the fit at top of 
dipstick tube seems a bit loose, wrap a piece of tape around the plastic 
tube for tighter fit.)


Wilton

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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:18 PM
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If you mean a tube to insert all the way into the oil pan, no - at least
from the 123 on, probably not for the 114/115 as well. Just a tube that
will slip snuggly into the top of the dip stick tube where it is fat, no
further.


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would 
not;

just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and vac
tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the system slows
down enough to drop the oil without entering the vac tube/hose.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com


So, I'm going to do this using a 5 gallon paint bucket/can and my shop
vac.  I just can't recall - did we say that there should be a dip tube 
on

the line from the oil pan or not?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread WILTON
Separate the oil discharge point as much as possible from the vacuum 
tube/hose inlet at top of bucket.
Be careful not to put vacuum inlet too low in bucket - only very slightly 
beneath inside of top.


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider


Yes, the tube going into the bucket, not the one going into the dipstick 
tube. Sorry for any confusion.


I just want to minimize the potential for oil mist getting into the shop 
vac.


Dan

Sent from my iPad

On May 25, 2013, at 1:45 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would 
not; just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and vac 
tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the system slows 
down enough to drop the oil without entering the vac tube/hose.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:43 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider


So, I'm going to do this using a 5 gallon paint bucket/can and my shop 
vac.  I just can't recall - did we say that there should be a dip tube 
on the line from the oil pan or not?


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread Mitch Haley

WILTON wrote:

See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would 
not; just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and vac 
tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the system slows 
down enough to drop the oil without entering the vac tube/hose.


It helps if there is a vent of sorts between the shop vac and the collection 
vessel so that:


1. the vac gets plenty of air for cooling
2. The vessel doesn't collapse
3. Flow velocity is low enough to prevent oil blowing around in a hurricane.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread WILTON
Some vacuum units are too strong for the relatively low vacuum needed for 
oil extraction; vent the vac hose as necessary to reduce/adjust vacuum in 
the receiver bucket.


Wilton

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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider



WILTON wrote:

See Archives 26 Aug '05, Homemade/$2 Topsider/Oil Sucker.

Do you mean discharge the oil at bottom of oil receiver can?  I would 
not; just provide adequate separation between oil discharge tube and vac 
tube/hose at top of oil receiver can so that any air in the system slows 
down enough to drop the oil without entering the vac tube/hose.


It helps if there is a vent of sorts between the shop vac and the 
collection vessel so that:


1. the vac gets plenty of air for cooling
2. The vessel doesn't collapse
3. Flow velocity is low enough to prevent oil blowing around in a 
hurricane.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread Craig
On Sat, 25 May 2013 15:52:45 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Some vacuum units are too strong for the relatively low vacuum needed
 for oil extraction; vent the vac hose as necessary to reduce/adjust
 vacuum in the receiver bucket.

 On Sat, 25 May 2013 15:24:55 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
  It helps if there is a vent of sorts between the shop vac and the 
  collection vessel so that:
 
  1. the vac gets plenty of air for cooling
  2. The vessel doesn't collapse
  3. Flow velocity is low enough to prevent oil blowing around in a 
  hurricane.

Here is a picture of what happens if you don't have a vent between the
collection vessel and the shop vac.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider

2013-05-25 Thread WILTON
'Can happen with a lesser vac, too, if oil evac tube collapses or gets 
blocked in some other manner, i. e,, the space in the oil receiver bucket is 
not being refilled with oil or air.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home Made Topsider



On Sat, 25 May 2013 15:52:45 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Some vacuum units are too strong for the relatively low vacuum needed
for oil extraction; vent the vac hose as necessary to reduce/adjust
vacuum in the receiver bucket.



On Sat, 25 May 2013 15:24:55 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 It helps if there is a vent of sorts between the shop vac and the
 collection vessel so that:

 1. the vac gets plenty of air for cooling
 2. The vessel doesn't collapse
 3. Flow velocity is low enough to prevent oil blowing around in a
 hurricane.


Here is a picture of what happens if you don't have a vent between the
collection vessel and the shop vac.


Craig








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