Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread ms . 300SD

A flattened BLIMP

Oh if only my laughs could power my car, it would drive it 300 miles down to
the GORGE on that one alone!

HAR HAR!

Lynn


On 4/28/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


There is no disputing [my] taste.  The 126 looks like a flattened blimp.
The 123 is at worst, inoffensive.  The 123 300TD is audaciously
retro-looking.



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher McCann
A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
  
  Chris
  
  
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I think the 126 SEC is the best looking MB 
short of the C111 ---  too
bad it didn't come with a nice 603 engine. Maybe some day I'll find
the right car, right engine, spare cash, and lots of time on my hands
--
My SLC would look better if it had the pagoda roof line --

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives.
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
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Higher than the top mark and the oil may get thrashed by the crank, 
foam out the breather, and cause oil foam to get pumped to the 
bearings.  All bad.  This can also cause impact damage to the crank.

Below the bottom mark and you don't have enough oil reserve, it will 
run hotter, and you risk reduced engine life.

Most MB engines will burn off oil near the top mark, although not all 
do.  If  you have one of those, and insist on the oil being at the top 
mark, you can use upwards of a quart in 300 miles filling it up only to 
have the engine get rid of it pronto.  I don't not know where it goes 
(that is is it burned internally or does it just end up in the air 
filter housing), but it's well known to most of us.  If the level drops 
rapidly to about half way between the marks and then stays there, don't 
add to get it to the top mark, wait until it's  lower.

Only add oil when it reached the lower mark, and don't fill it all the 
way up -- one quart will do.  Those are maximum and minimum volume 
marks, not recommended levels.

Peter




Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread OK Don

You found two cars worth of parts, I'll build them, you get one, I get
the other.

On 4/28/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A 300 SCD would be a dream car!

  Chris


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'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread OK Don

Make the FUND, not FOUND --

On 4/28/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You found two cars worth of parts, I'll build them, you get one, I get
the other.

On 4/28/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A 300 SCD would be a dream car!

   Chris


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'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:13:38 -0700 ms.300SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You've got a 123 chassis, and the 300SD is a 126 chassis.  The 126 is
 more luxurious, has a cushier ride and a sleeker, more elegant look. 
 See:
 
 
 www.viewimages.mbz.org/by_chassis/Coupe/

When I try to go there, it says the site cannot be found.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread OK Don

I found the images pages from www.mbz.org, then clicking images on
the left side - but I never found any - I was looking in the 126
section.



 www.viewimages.mbz.org/by_chassis/Coupe/

When I try to go there, it says the site cannot be found.


Craig


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'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread Rick Knoble

You mean an SDC would be ecstasy?
Rick Knoble
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'87 190 DT
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A 300 SCD would be a dream car!

 Chris


OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I think the 126 SEC is the best looking MB 
short of the C111 ---  too

bad it didn't come with a nice 603 engine. Maybe some day I'll find
the right car, right engine, spare cash, and lots of time on my hands
--
My SLC would look better if it had the pagoda roof line --

--
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Norman, OK
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Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread Luther Gulseth

Second that!

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:06:16 -0500, Christopher McCann  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
 Chris
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I think the 126 SEC is the best  
looking MB short of the C111 ---  too

bad it didn't come with a nice 603 engine. Maybe some day I'll find
the right car, right engine, spare cash, and lots of time on my hands
--
My SLC would look better if it had the pagoda roof line --





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'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread Luther Gulseth
On second thought, a 124 300CD would be 1000 times better.  Intercooled OM  
60x powered, 500E/AMG suspension.  M

What'd I miss Dave M?

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:14:38 -0500, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Second that!

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:06:16 -0500, Christopher McCann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
 Chris
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I think the 126 SEC is the best
looking MB short of the C111 ---  too
bad it didn't come with a nice 603 engine. Maybe some day I'll find
the right car, right engine, spare cash, and lots of time on my hands
--
My SLC would look better if it had the pagoda roof line --









--
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread kevin kraly

You mean an SDC would be ecstasy?

Now that's funny!

Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon
Giesela, 1981 300CD 204K miles



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher McCann
Don't have extra funds right now :-(
  
  Chris

OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Make the FUND, not FOUND --

On 4/28/06, OK Don  wrote:
 You found two cars worth of parts, I'll build them, you get one, I get
 the other.

 On 4/28/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:
  A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
 
Chris

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Well, a W123 300CD is coupe-diesel. An S class would be 300 SCD
  
  BUT a W126 SEC...E for Einspritzung, replace with D  = SDC.
  
  So I guess it could go either way.
  
  CM

Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You mean an SDC would be ecstasy?
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A 300 SCD would be a dream car!

  Chris


OK Don  wrote:  I think the 126 SEC is the best looking MB 
short of the C111 ---  too
bad it didn't come with a nice 603 engine. Maybe some day I'll find
the right car, right engine, spare cash, and lots of time on my hands
--
My SLC would look better if it had the pagoda roof line --

--
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Norman, OK
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exhausted all the alternatives.
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread ms . 300SD

Okay, Levi, you have your opinion, but here's mine.
Subarus are UULLLY.

300SD are the most beautiful car EVER made by anyone.

I just feel all luxurious and ensconced in the Beauty Car whenever I drive
it.  I love to float down the freeway and drive 300 miles then hop out of
the car all fresh like a flower.

Of course, it has had the maintenance it deserves, like new suspension and
everything but the steering box, and I'm getting a new one for my birthday
this summer. (Yay!)

Comparing a subaru and a mercedes 300SD is like comparing a  teenage boy to
Miss America.  It's just too bizarre for words.

Lynn
'85 300SD Victoria
206K


Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread Luther Gulseth

That is worthy of a quotes page!

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:33:50 -0500, ms.300SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip


Comparing a subaru and a mercedes 300SD is like comparing a  teenage boy  
to

Miss America.  It's just too bizarre for words.

Lynn
'85 300SD Victoria
206K




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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread Loren Faeth

I agree.  KALEB!  You have some votes!

At 09:20 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote:

That is worthy of a quotes page!

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:33:50 -0500, ms.300SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip

 Comparing a subaru and a mercedes 300SD is like comparing a  teenage boy
 to
 Miss America.  It's just too bizarre for words.

 Lynn
 '85 300SD Victoria
 206K



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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread Sunil Hari
so by that rationale, is a 124 a fitness model?  Aerobics instructor?

On 4/27/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree.  KALEB!  You have some votes!

 At 09:20 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote:
 That is worthy of a quotes page!
 
 On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:33:50 -0500, ms.300SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
  
   Comparing a subaru and a mercedes 300SD is like comparing a  teenage
 boy
   to
   Miss America.  It's just too bizarre for words.
  
   Lynn
   '85 300SD Victoria
   206K
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread ms . 300SD

Sunil,
I think she's the gymnastics team captain that some guys lust after.

Ms. 300SD has better jewelry and more assets, though.

Lynn


Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread Loren Faeth
That is a great analogy for the 124!   This thread is getting very 
entertaining!


At 11:16 PM 4/27/2006, you wrote:

Sunil,
I think she's the gymnastics team captain that some guys lust after.

Ms. 300SD has better jewelry and more assets, though.

Lynn
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread Levi Smith

Ooohh, man, I didn't even mention looks...  I'm not positive what a 300SD
looks like, but if it's anything like my 83' 300D, I know there are people
that think they're beautiful, but I certainly can't see it!  I do love the
looks of my Subaru.
My wife even agrees.  She loves her Subaru and calls the Benz the
mafia-mobile and not in an endearing term.  (:

But yes, above all else, we are all entitled to our opinions!  (:

Levi

On 4/27/06, ms. 300SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Okay, Levi, you have your opinion, but here's mine.
Subarus are UULLLY.

300SD are the most beautiful car EVER made by anyone.

I just feel all luxurious and ensconced in the Beauty Car whenever I drive
it.  I love to float down the freeway and drive 300 miles then hop out of
the car all fresh like a flower.

Of course, it has had the maintenance it deserves, like new suspension and
everything but the steering box, and I'm getting a new one for my birthday
this summer. (Yay!)

Comparing a subaru and a mercedes 300SD is like comparing a  teenage boy
to
Miss America.  It's just too bizarre for words.

Lynn
'85 300SD Victoria
206K
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread Levi Smith

Hmm, I'm picturing my 83' 300D as more of the old-school russian women's
weight-lifting team with a bit of a mustache

Levi (:

On 4/28/06, ms. 300SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sunil,
I think she's the gymnastics team captain that some guys lust after.

Ms. 300SD has better jewelry and more assets, though.

Lynn
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread ms . 300SD

You've got a 123 chassis, and the 300SD is a 126 chassis.  The 126 is more
luxurious, has a cushier ride and a sleeker, more elegant look.  See:


www.viewimages.mbz.org/by_chassis/Coupe/

Scroll down and see the more modern cars.

Lynn


Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread Jim Cathey
You've got a 123 chassis, and the 300SD is a 126 chassis.  The 126 is 
more

luxurious, has a cushier ride and a sleeker, more elegant look.


Whereas I'd give the edge in appearance to the 123.  De gustibus
non disputandum.  We love our SDL nonetheless.  I think a 116 is
a mighty fine looking car, myself.  Don't have any though, I'm
holding out for a 6.9 I guess.  I've passed up several 6.9's
offered locally, I guess I want one that's actually got a M100
engine in it!

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-28 Thread andrew strasfogel

There is no disputing [my] taste.  The 126 looks like a flattened blimp.
The 123 is at worst, inoffensive.  The 123 300TD is audaciously
retro-looking.



On 4/28/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 You've got a 123 chassis, and the 300SD is a 126 chassis.  The 126 is
 more
 luxurious, has a cushier ride and a sleeker, more elegant look.

Whereas I'd give the edge in appearance to the 123.  De gustibus
non disputandum.  We love our SDL nonetheless.  I think a 116 is
a mighty fine looking car, myself.  Don't have any though, I'm
holding out for a 6.9 I guess.  I've passed up several 6.9's
offered locally, I guess I want one that's actually got a M100
engine in it!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 4/26/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
 seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
 Think about how much butt time has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
 wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them.

 And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
 1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
 Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
 apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.


Nor is it fair to compare the handling in low-traction situations of a car
with a superbly engineered AWD system, limited slip, and Blizzaks against a
RWD car with (presumably) all-season tires!  Nothing handles better than a
late-model Sube in snow except an Audi.  But put those Blizzaks on the 300D
and it'll do better than just about any FWD car, and maybe even better than
the Sube with summer tires.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper


Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread Trampas
I always get the question as to why the W126. My response is that if you
drive it for a month your butt will not get out of it. 

My wife when we were dating had a Honda Accord, she let her parents borrow
the car for a couple of week while she drove my 300SD. The whole time she
complained about the size, how slow it was, how hard it was to park, etc, I
just laughed. She got her car back, drove out of her parents driveway, got
about a block, turned around drove back and parked the Honda and got back
into the 300SD. Her words were I felt like I was in a tin coffin. 

Now the only time she complains is when the cars break on her. 

Trampas

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On 4/26/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
 seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
 Think about how much butt time has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
 wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them.

 And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
 1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
 Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
 apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.


Nor is it fair to compare the handling in low-traction situations of a car
with a superbly engineered AWD system, limited slip, and Blizzaks against a
RWD car with (presumably) all-season tires!  Nothing handles better than a
late-model Sube in snow except an Audi.  But put those Blizzaks on the 300D
and it'll do better than just about any FWD car, and maybe even better than
the Sube with summer tires.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread Loren Faeth
It is the my new windows machine is way faster than a mac argument, not 
bothering to clarify that the Mac was 7 years old, never had a component 
fail and the hard drive was full and was never defragmented.



At 05:32 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote:

Levi Smith wrote:



The seats are nice and firm, supportive and comfortable in my Sube.  I
find the ones in the Benz to have every disadvantage of a bench seat.
It feels like I'm riding on a worse/worn out version of the vinyl bench
seat in an 80' Dodge truck.  Given my springs are probably weak, but I
want seats that are firm, not springy, and with side bolsters for
support, not just slidy.  The only slight advantage here is that the
Tex is probably easier to clean.





Now Come on - are you serious?



You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
Think about how much butt time has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them.



And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.



Not trying to start a flame, but I just thought it was a really bad
argument to compare the two cars.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL

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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread David Brodbeck
Levi Smith wrote:
 Perhaps my Benz' handling is not what it once was, but it doesn't hold a
 candle to my Sube.  The 300D isn't horrible, but it weighs about 25% more
 and has enough of that boaty ok, I'm gonna make a turn feeling, that I
 feel like racecar man once I'm in the sube.

Never driven a Subaru, but I'd sum up the diesel W123 as follows:

- Sounds like a truck.
- Steers like a truck.
- Rides like a luxury car.


David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread Levi Smith
Well, I just compared them as best I could, as it seems like what I read on
this list is that almost any Mercedes of any vintage is better than almost
any other car.

I don't doubt the age has a lot to do with it.  Though both cars have a lot
of mileage.  The Sube has 220K miles on it...  (i.e. a lot of butts in
them)  As to the seats, I can't possibly see how even if the seats were
brand new they would have any more side support.  There's just nothing
there.  It's like a flat bench seat on the bottom.  And I get the impression
that even when new they're made to be springy.  But that could be an
entirely incorrect thought.

As to the power, I said that the 123 actually feels near as fast as the Sube
on a good day.  My Sube only had 137hp when new, so it's probably a
semi-close match given the extra torque the diesel has...  Of course if you
try to climb a hill from a dead stop, the Benz won't come close since the
gears seem to be spaced out wrong for that scenario.


I'm not saying the cars are the same, but that just seems to be the
impression I get on here.  Something like I just drove/saw a brand new
Toyota, and it's way worse than my 76' 240D.

So, I just thought I'd throw in my opinion.
I'm not trying to start a flame war either.  I'm actually surprised I didn't
get a worse response!  (:

Levi

On 4/26/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Levi Smith wrote:



 The seats are nice and firm, supportive and comfortable in my Sube.  I
 find the ones in the Benz to have every disadvantage of a bench seat.
 It feels like I'm riding on a worse/worn out version of the vinyl bench
 seat in an 80' Dodge truck.  Given my springs are probably weak, but I
 want seats that are firm, not springy, and with side bolsters for
 support, not just slidy.  The only slight advantage here is that the
 Tex is probably easier to clean.





 Now Come on - are you serious?



 You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
 seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
 Think about how much butt time has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
 wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them.



 And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
 1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
 Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
 apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.



 Not trying to start a flame, but I just thought it was a really bad
 argument to compare the two cars.



 Donald H. Snook

 1990 300SEL

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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread Levi Smith
No, I agree, it's not a fair comparison.  Just my observations when I feel
like all I hear is that oh, we don't need anything other than RWD, it gets
through anything.
Heck, I'm still hearing it now...  I'd love to drive a 300D and a good fwd
car both with Blizzaks on and see how they compare.  Or against the Sube
with good all season tires.  I know the Blizzaks make a big difference,
but I just can't see them making the physical differences you're
describing.
Or perhaps it's all just a matter of personal taste as to which is
preferable...

Levi (:

On 4/26/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/26/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
  seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
  Think about how much butt time has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
  wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them.
 
  And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
  1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
  Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
  apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.


 Nor is it fair to compare the handling in low-traction situations of a car
 with a superbly engineered AWD system, limited slip, and Blizzaks against
 a
 RWD car with (presumably) all-season tires!  Nothing handles better than a
 late-model Sube in snow except an Audi.  But put those Blizzaks on the
 300D
 and it'll do better than just about any FWD car, and maybe even better
 than
 the Sube with summer tires.

 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo
 '93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread Levi Smith
No doubt, the 300D would be better newer.  I'd love to try one that I knew
had proper suspension and steering to see if my butt thinks it's as good
as I hear it is.
However, as to the maintenance (again, hard to quantify since the Benz is
older, and there are unknown maintenance periods on both cars), Not counting
fluids and wear items (tires, brakes)  I got my Subaru with 92K miles on it
about 5 or 6 years ago.  It's needed a $120 alternator, a $7 radiator
cap...  That's about it.  I think I replaced a crank seal at one point, but
that just left a little spot on the pavement when parked and if we're
counting that, then there's a BUNCH of seals that need to be replaced on the
Benz.  It marks numerous spots.  The Benz has needed an axleshaft... hmm,
well there's a decent amount of other things I've done/replaced,
(transmission is hard shifting and clunky/jerky as someone who doesn't know
how to drive a stick, climate control kinda works, tach is dead,
thermostat replaced, suspension probably could use some updating...) but
again, it doesn't lead to any real evidence since it's so much older and
with another 100K miles.  (though if I had to bet on it at this point, if
both were actually driven (one of them ends up sitting for 6 months at a
time), I'd bet on the Subaru having less costs over the next 100K miles...

Levi


On 4/26/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It is the my new windows machine is way faster than a mac argument, not
 bothering to clarify that the Mac was 7 years old, never had a component
 fail and the hard drive was full and was never defragmented.


 At 05:32 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote:
 Levi Smith wrote:
 
 
 
 The seats are nice and firm, supportive and comfortable in my Sube.  I
 find the ones in the Benz to have every disadvantage of a bench seat.
 It feels like I'm riding on a worse/worn out version of the vinyl bench
 seat in an 80' Dodge truck.  Given my springs are probably weak, but I
 want seats that are firm, not springy, and with side bolsters for
 support, not just slidy.  The only slight advantage here is that the
 Tex is probably easier to clean.
 
 
 
 
 
 Now Come on - are you serious?
 
 
 
 You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
 seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
 Think about how much butt time has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
 wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them.
 
 
 
 And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
 1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
 Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
 apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.
 
 
 
 Not trying to start a flame, but I just thought it was a really bad
 argument to compare the two cars.
 
 
 
 Donald H. Snook
 
 1990 300SEL
 
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread David Brodbeck

Levi Smith wrote:

As to the seats, I can't possibly see how even if the seats were
brand new they would have any more side support.  There's just nothing
there.  It's like a flat bench seat on the bottom.


I think the target audience for these cars is the rich gentleman 
suffering from a bit of middle-age spread.  He would find side bolsters 
confining and annoying to climb in and out over, and isn't going to be 
doing any heavy cornering.  The W123 was built as a long-distance 
touring car, not as a performance sedan.


I'm kind of with you on this one.  I find myself bracing my shoulder 
against the B-pillar during hard right turns.  I suppose you could 
retrofit some Recaros. ;)



David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo



Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-27 Thread Levi Smith
Yeah, it would be nice if there were some other plug and play option for
seats I could find at the junkyard.  If mine actually break a spring, I'm
pretty sure I'll be heading to the junkyard to see what I can find that I'll
just try to bolt in one way or the other.

I like that fine adjustment wheel on the seats to recline, I just wish
there was a way to push it in to free-wheel the seats.  It's a major pain
in the butt if you just want to recline and look out the moon roof while
your significant other is in the store for a few minutes, and then you have
to crank it all the way back up again

Levi

On 4/27/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Levi Smith wrote:
  As to the seats, I can't possibly see how even if the seats were
  brand new they would have any more side support.  There's just nothing
  there.  It's like a flat bench seat on the bottom.

 I think the target audience for these cars is the rich gentleman
 suffering from a bit of middle-age spread.  He would find side bolsters
 confining and annoying to climb in and out over, and isn't going to be
 doing any heavy cornering.  The W123 was built as a long-distance
 touring car, not as a performance sedan.

 I'm kind of with you on this one.  I find myself bracing my shoulder
 against the B-pillar during hard right turns.  I suppose you could
 retrofit some Recaros. ;)


 David Brodbeck
 '83 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-26 Thread Christopher McCann

It is such a great highway performer and very 
comfortable to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 
7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners 
rave about these cars.

EXACTLY! My dad asked once, What's the big deal about this car? I said drive
it for three hours, then tell me. I used to HATE
road trips. Now I love them. The longest I ever spent in a 
car b4 my 300SD was 12 hours (driving) and it nearly killed me, I was 
exhausted. A year ago, I drove 17.5 hours striaght, 
with three girls aged 5 and under(!!!) and I too
could have gone forever. 

This is what the 126 is for.

Chris

  

Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Back in January/February I bought a 
1990 300SEL. This car has the M103
engine for which many people have strong opinions (both good and bad).
Well, I really enjoyed the car, it is roomy and extremely well appointed
and comfortable. Plus, I just think it is a good looking car.  At any
rate, I was ready for the slow acceleration from the 3.0  six cylinder.
After all, it doesn't have all that much horsepower and less torque and
the 126 LWB is a big heavy car.  

 

I picked the car up in Florida and drove it back to Kansas.  I enjoyed
driving it, but during the 14 hour days of driving I couldn't really
appreciate it or love it. I just wanted to get home.

 

While the 103 motor is not exactly zippy around town, I loved it on the
highway.  I took it on a long trip this past weekend and put about 1000
miles on it.   It is such a great highway performer and very comfortable
to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners rave
about these cars.   Now if we could just do something about the gas
mileage.  I guess I am going to have to get an SDL.   

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 126K 

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Wasn't too many years ago that Porsche would paint your car to
sample providing you gave them enough green stuff..

Paint to sample and interior to sample is still available at great cost and 
added production time.

A lot of equipment that MB includes as standard is optional at astonishing 
prices at Porsche. That's why a Cayman or Boxster S is about 50% more costly 
than a C350 with about the same equipment. And it's why I can't buy one. I 
think 
80 grand for a Cayman is just too much.

RLE


Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-26 Thread l02turner

Donald wrote: great highway performer and very comfortable to drive. 

The seats in a MB seem at first impression, to be too firm and unforgiving. 
And some people form that 1st impression and never give them a chance.  But 
if they can be convinced to ride in them for an hour or more they almost 
always become converts and realize how comfortable they are.


Just as you described - they are supportive and comfortable for even the 
longest drives.


Congratulations on your new purchase!  Maybe you'll find that SDL you've 
been looking for??  Then you'll have the beginnings of a fleet of W126's! 
;-)


Sincerely,
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From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: [MBZ] I love my 126



Back in January/February I bought a 1990 300SEL. This car has the M103
engine for which many people have strong opinions (both good and bad).
Well, I really enjoyed the car, it is roomy and extremely well appointed
and comfortable. Plus, I just think it is a good looking car.  At any
rate, I was ready for the slow acceleration from the 3.0  six cylinder.
After all, it doesn't have all that much horsepower and less torque and
the 126 LWB is a big heavy car.



I picked the car up in Florida and drove it back to Kansas.  I enjoyed
driving it, but during the 14 hour days of driving I couldn't really
appreciate it or love it. I just wanted to get home.



While the 103 motor is not exactly zippy around town, I loved it on the
highway.  I took it on a long trip this past weekend and put about 1000
miles on it.   It is such a great highway performer and very comfortable
to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners rave
about these cars.   Now if we could just do something about the gas
mileage.  I guess I am going to have to get an SDL.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 126K

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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-26 Thread l02turner
That's the kind of info needed when someone says, I test drove a new MB and 
didn't think it was any better than the Ford  (or whatever) I also test 
drove


I try to tell them they have to *live* with a MB for a while - *then* 
they'll understand the difference - but that's hard to convince someone to 
try -


Another good way to understand the difference is to work on a MB after 
working on Fords, Chevs, Dodge, etc - virtually *any* other vehicle will 
come out with shortcomings when compared to a MB.  Little things like the 
ways wiring and tubing is secured - but I'm preaching to the choir --


Take care -

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I love my 126



It is such a great highway performer and very
comfortable to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could 
drive 7-8

hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners
rave about these cars.

EXACTLY! My dad asked once, What's the big deal about this car? I said 
drive

it for three hours, then tell me. I used to HATE
road trips. Now I love them. The longest I ever spent in a
car b4 my 300SD was 12 hours (driving) and it nearly killed me, I was
exhausted. A year ago, I drove 17.5 hours striaght,
with three girls aged 5 and under(!!!) and I too
could have gone forever.

This is what the 126 is for.

Chris



Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Back in January/February I bought a 
1990 300SEL. This car has the M103

engine for which many people have strong opinions (both good and bad).
Well, I really enjoyed the car, it is roomy and extremely well appointed
and comfortable. Plus, I just think it is a good looking car.  At any
rate, I was ready for the slow acceleration from the 3.0  six cylinder.
After all, it doesn't have all that much horsepower and less torque and
the 126 LWB is a big heavy car.



I picked the car up in Florida and drove it back to Kansas.  I enjoyed
driving it, but during the 14 hour days of driving I couldn't really
appreciate it or love it. I just wanted to get home.



While the 103 motor is not exactly zippy around town, I loved it on the
highway.  I took it on a long trip this past weekend and put about 1000
miles on it.   It is such a great highway performer and very comfortable
to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners rave
about these cars.   Now if we could just do something about the gas
mileage.  I guess I am going to have to get an SDL.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 126K

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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-26 Thread Levi Smith
 - virtually *any* other vehicle will
 come out with shortcomings when compared to a MB.  Little things like the
 ways wiring and tubing is secured - but I'm preaching to the choir --

 Take care -

 Sincerely,
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 - Original Message -
 From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I love my 126



 It is such a great highway performer and very
 comfortable to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could
 drive 7-8
 hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
 back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
 could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners
 rave about these cars.

 EXACTLY! My dad asked once, What's the big deal about this car? I said
 drive
 it for three hours, then tell me. I used to HATE
 road trips. Now I love them. The longest I ever spent in a
 car b4 my 300SD was 12 hours (driving) and it nearly killed me, I was
 exhausted. A year ago, I drove 17.5 hours striaght,
 with three girls aged 5 and under(!!!) and I too
 could have gone forever.

 This is what the 126 is for.

 Chris



 Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Back in January/February I bought
 a
 1990 300SEL. This car has the M103
 engine for which many people have strong opinions (both good and bad).
 Well, I really enjoyed the car, it is roomy and extremely well appointed
 and comfortable. Plus, I just think it is a good looking car.  At any
 rate, I was ready for the slow acceleration from the 3.0  six cylinder.
 After all, it doesn't have all that much horsepower and less torque and
 the 126 LWB is a big heavy car.



 I picked the car up in Florida and drove it back to Kansas.  I enjoyed
 driving it, but during the 14 hour days of driving I couldn't really
 appreciate it or love it. I just wanted to get home.



 While the 103 motor is not exactly zippy around town, I loved it on the
 highway.  I took it on a long trip this past weekend and put about 1000
 miles on it.   It is such a great highway performer and very comfortable
 to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 7-8
 hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
 back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
 could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners rave
 about these cars.   Now if we could just do something about the gas
 mileage.  I guess I am going to have to get an SDL.



 Donald H. Snook

 1990 300SEL 126K

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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

2006-04-26 Thread Donald Snook
Levi Smith wrote: 

 

The seats are nice and firm, supportive and comfortable in my Sube.  I
find the ones in the Benz to have every disadvantage of a bench seat.
It feels like I'm riding on a worse/worn out version of the vinyl bench
seat in an 80' Dodge truck.  Given my springs are probably weak, but I
want seats that are firm, not springy, and with side bolsters for
support, not just slidy.  The only slight advantage here is that the
Tex is probably easier to clean.

 

 

Now Come on - are you serious? 

 

You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
Think about how much butt time has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them. 

 

And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.  

 

Not trying to start a flame, but I just thought it was a really bad
argument to compare the two cars. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL