Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate (five cylinder 240D)
Jerry Herrman wrote: Well, Craig, thanks for clearing that up. I learn something new everyday. My goodness, what an undertaking. I figgered there was a reason no one else asked about this. It also answers the question of where do 300D's with manual transmissions come from - some of them anyway. There are a few 300TDs and 240Ds with manual transmission, usually with cloth seats, running around the USA due to the grey market activity of the late 1970s and early 1980s. I've never seen a manual 300D from that era, seems like everybody who wanted a euro sedan with a clutch pedal got a 240D instead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate (five cylinder 240D)
- Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate (five cylinder 240D) Jerry Herrman wrote: Well, Craig, thanks for clearing that up. I learn something new everyday. My goodness, what an undertaking. I figgered there was a reason no one else asked about this. It also answers the question of where do 300D's with manual transmissions come from - some of them anyway. There are a few 300TDs and 240Ds with manual transmission, usually with cloth seats, running around the USA due to the grey market activity of the late 1970s and early 1980s. I've never seen a manual 300D from that era, seems like everybody who wanted a euro sedan with a clutch pedal got a 240D instead. Mitch. My '83 240D has standard plastic Mercedes seat covers, manual A/C and heat, manual window cranks, 3 speed manual transmission, manual punch-a-button Becker radio, and several other unusual items. German professor spec'd it out and picked it up in Germany. I bought it from him when it was five years old. Gerry Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate (five cylinder 240D)
Did you say 3 speed manual transmission ??!! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate (five cylinder 240D) Jerry Herrman wrote: Well, Craig, thanks for clearing that up. I learn something new everyday. My goodness, what an undertaking. I figgered there was a reason no one else asked about this. It also answers the question of where do 300D's with manual transmissions come from - some of them anyway. There are a few 300TDs and 240Ds with manual transmission, usually with cloth seats, running around the USA due to the grey market activity of the late 1970s and early 1980s. I've never seen a manual 300D from that era, seems like everybody who wanted a euro sedan with a clutch pedal got a 240D instead. Mitch. My '83 240D has standard plastic Mercedes seat covers, manual A/C and heat, manual window cranks, 3 speed manual transmission, manual punch-a-button Becker radio, and several other unusual items. German professor spec'd it out and picked it up in Germany. I bought it from him when it was five years old. Gerry Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate(five cylinder 240D)
ROFL!!! That I did. Should be five speed (4 forward, 1 reverse). Gerry From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Did you say 3 speed manual transmission ??!! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate (five cylinder 240D) Jerry Herrman wrote: Well, Craig, thanks for clearing that up. I learn something new everyday. My goodness, what an undertaking. I figgered there was a reason no one else asked about this. It also answers the question of where do 300D's with manual transmissions come from - some of them anyway. There are a few 300TDs and 240Ds with manual transmission, usually with cloth seats, running around the USA due to the grey market activity of the late 1970s and early 1980s. I've never seen a manual 300D from that era, seems like everybody who wanted a euro sedan with a clutch pedal got a 240D instead. Mitch. My '83 240D has standard plastic Mercedes seat covers, manual A/C and heat, manual window cranks, 3 speed manual transmission, manual punch-a-button Becker radio, and several other unusual items. German professor spec'd it out and picked it up in Germany. I bought it from him when it was five years old. Gerry Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2637/5468 - Release Date: 12/18/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:58:28 -0800 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: (240 cc's for the four cylinder, and 300 cc's for the five cylinder). Is this incorrect? The 240D is 2.4 liters or (just under) 2400 cubic centimeters. The 300D is 3.0 liters or (just under) 3000 cubic centimeters. The (just under) part is a result of the tax laws in (some) European countries. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate (five cylinder 240D)
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:44:27 -0800 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: Well, Craig, thanks for clearing that up. I learn something new everyday. My goodness, what an undertaking. I figgered there was a reason no one else asked about this. It also answers the question of where do 300D's with manual transmissions come from - some of them anyway. I was fortunate to have a wrecking yard about a mile-and-a-half from our house in Austin that had an imported European 123.130 (the exact same type of car I was trying to make, but this one was that way from the factory) in its stock. I got a number of parts from that car including the transmission, driveshaft, pedal hangers, and maybe the correct OM617 manual transmission flywheel (though they could have had that in the shop). It was in the yard because its #1 piston had come out the side of the block. Coincidentally (or maybe not), the #1 port on the head into the exhaust manifold was very carboned up. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Rhonald, Andrew is in DC and has an 85td. Maybe he will chime in. Mike On Dec 15, 2012 10:47 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 10:34 pm To: mercedes@okiebenz.com On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:02:44 -0700 r...@rhonald.me wrote: Hey Craig, thanks. Wow, hope you get back to work soon. Thank you. No rust but some white stuff...like how steel oxidizes or something, what is that? Rust is oxidized steel (iron). The white stuff is most likely residue from the chemicals in the water that evaporated there. Ok, yes, like hard water. OK, great. No sign of mildew or mold under the mats though. No smell. Nothing is soft, it is all hard metal. It sounds good, then. Where are you located? (I'm in Los Alamos, New Mexico.) I am in Washington, DC It took me all summer to get over it; and the thought of losing the car. I'm sorry your car got crushed by those tree branches. How on earth do people see out of the rear window of these newer cars??? I have no idea, and dislike them for the same reason. So, if there is something I missed I want know NOW, not 9 years from now, like on the current vehicle. Good idea. I wish you success in properly evaluating the new MB. Other questions??? I am not that familiar with this model, though I always thought it was fine! I do know the rear suspension is different and I have seen some sagging in the back; I guess they did not do proper maintenance? You will need to have someone with experience with the self-leveling suspension to chime in. 2. The black carpets in the back have faded of course, so at some point I will replace. All carpets are original and in good shape for 27 years. Talk with Rusty, (800) 741-5252, to see if they are still available. Ok, will do. 4. What is different about the transmission? As one of the other responders said, it has a torque converter with a higher stall speed. That will help starting off the line, but apparently will lower fuel mileage. 5. I think that is about it, other than anything I should know. Is there a group for TD Wagons? No need to go looking for another group for your wagon; there are several on this list that have 123 wagons. Hopefully, they will speak up. Awesome, signing off for the night, take it easy! Rhonald Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate
As I read is a 1982 240D with a 5-cylinder, naturally-aspirated engine - - - I wonder if this is possible. I had understood that the 240 and 300 designations had some direct relationship with the cubic inch capacity of the engine (240 cc's for the four cylinder, and 300 cc's for the five cylinder). Is this incorrect? Since I did not notice anyone else making this point, I'm ready to be told that I misunderstood. So correct me. Jerry 1982 240D with four cylinders, four forward speed manual transmission, and four doors __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7806 (20121216) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:58:28 -0800 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: As I read is a 1982 240D with a 5-cylinder, naturally-aspirated engine - - - I wonder if this is possible. I had understood that the 240 and 300 designations had some direct relationship with the cubic inch capacity of the engine (240 cc's for the four cylinder, and 300 cc's for the five cylinder). Is this incorrect? As shipped from the factory, this is correct. Since I did not notice anyone else making this point, I'm ready to be told that I misunderstood. So correct me. You just don't have the background the others who have been on the list for a long time have. When I was in graduate school in Austin, Texas, I purchased a 1982 240D with an automatic transmission. After driving it awhile, the automatic transmission broke most severely deep inside. In looking at the options we had for getting it running again, - replacing the transmission with a rebuilt automatic, - replacing the transmission with a 4-speed manual, and, - replacing the engine with a 5-cylinder engine and replacing the transmission with a 4-speed manual, my wife and I decided to take the third option. So, I converted the car by: - changing the engine - changing the radiator - changing the flywheel - changing the transmission - changing the driveshaft by getting a correct one from a nearby wrecking yard and having it rebuilt by Driveline Service of Atlanta - changing the brake pedal hanger to one from a manual transmission - installing the clutch dropout switch for the cruise control - changing the automatic transmission lockout switch wiring to connect to the clutch dropout switch - installing the clutch master cylinder and hose to the brake fluid reservoir and hard line to slave cylinder - changing the differential - replacing the rear axle half-shafts - replacing the front brake calipers (which rusted in the Texas humidity from sitting so long) - changing the speedometer to match the new differential - improving the light pipes in the instrument cluster - replacing the seat upholstery and cleaning up the mechanisms - maybe other things I don't recall Complicating the process was the delivery of the replacement engine. The parts arrived in town and were delivered by one fellow and a truck with a narrow lift gate. As he started to lower the lift gate, the whole pallet fell off. (No, I'm not kidding.) It landed on the front of the engine and then rolled toward the passenger's side of the engine. It ended up resting, mostly upside down, on the rear end of the camshaft cover, the edge of the pallet, and the back of the transmissiion. My first post to an earlier version of this list about the problem was on 19 August 1999. The fellows on this list were most helpful in guiding me in getting the conversion done. Rusty, the sponsor of this list, was very helpful in getting me the parts I needed at good prices. After much haggling with the trucking company and the involvement of the Students' Attorney the University had as a benefit for the students, the trucking company took the original engine and transmission away and paid for a replacement (which came from Dallas not the east coast and thus were not rusty). Anyway, the car has been running well for about 50 kmi, until recently when it developed a diesel leak which I have not yet fixed. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:42:08 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:58:28 -0800 Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: As I read is a 1982 240D with a 5-cylinder, naturally-aspirated engine I forgot to add, the 5-cylinder engine is why I call it a 240D/3.0 and why it now sports a 300D badge on the back. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Good morning Kaleb and others. Rhonald is back on the list after a long break. Thoroughly enjoyed talking with Kaleb, Marshall, and others. Howis everyone doing? My 300D got smashed in the rear of the roof and damage to trunkin June from storms in the Washington, DC area. The tree is still standing, so imagine the size of the branches! But I am still driving like nothing happened. No rattles, squeaks, etc. Trunk lock still works. So, I am looking for another vehicle; have an appt. tomorrow to see an Estate Wagon; Thurs but my body shop guy, who was going to do the rust repair on my sedan is out of the country. So far so good with the owner describing everything and answering my questions. Who has experience with looking for rust on the 123 TD Estate Wagon?Howmany of you own the Estate Wagon? There was 1 small "surface rust spot about the size of a quarter"which was taken care of. I will see it up on the lift when I go and will examine. Are there any places beside the rocker panelarea, fender edges (my current car is bad at the left rear fender forward the wheel), jack holes, drivers side underside, under battery tray, front stone pan and up under the rear bumper? Any other questions to ask about the '85 Estate Wagon in particular? It has 225,000 miles. Thanks in advance! Rhonald 1985 300D Turbo 345,475 Miles and still going. Original Message Subject: Welcome to the "Mercedes" mailing listFrom: mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.comDate: Wed, December 12, 2012 11:56 amTo post to this list, send your message to:mercedes@okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:43:19 -0700 r...@rhonald.me wrote: Good morning Kaleb and others. Rhonald is back on the list after a long break. Thoroughly enjoyed talking with Kaleb, Marshall, and others. How is everyone doing? Welcome back, Rhonald! I'm doing OK. Unemployed and looking for work. Are there any places beside the rocker panel area, fender edges (my current car is bad at the left rear fender forward the wheel), jack holes, drivers side underside, under battery tray, front stone pan and up under the rear bumper? Also look behind the rear wheels and in front and back of the front wheels. The headlight area could trap snow/salt slush. Behind the front wheels are plastic pieces that cover where the engine compartment drains are (below the hood hinges). If these pieces are not installed properly stuff can get behind them to bad effect. Any other questions to ask about the '85 Estate Wagon in particular? IIRC, the '85 has a different transmission than earlier versions Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Well, Rhonald's Wednesday post showed up. I'm guessing there's a hold on first posts by new subscribers? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Mitch Haley wrote: Well, Rhonald's Wednesday post showed up. I'm guessing there's a hold on first posts by new subscribers? The entire content of the post was HTML. No plain text content. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
r...@rhonald.me wrote: Good morning Kaleb and others. Rhonald is back on the list after a long break. Thoroughly enjoyed talking with Kaleb, Marshall, and others. How is everyone doing? Marshall is gone. All we have now is his posts in the archive. Who has experience with looking for rust on the 123 TD Estate Wagon? How many of you own the Estate Wagon? I have a couple. They are pretty much the same as the sedans with a couple exceptions. Hatch struts get weak, but are pretty easy to replace. Self-leveling suspension is very often neglected. If the system is out of oil, the pump is likely marginal. The control valve is expensive to replace. When it works, it's mighty nice! Any other questions to ask about the '85 Estate Wagon in particular? It has 225,000 miles. Others disagree with my assessment, but I don't like the '85s. The HVAC and tachometer are tied together with the notorious KLIMA, the injection pump has electric stuff on it, there are additional vacuum gizomes especially for the transmission, the torque converter has a higher stall and the differential has a taller ratio resulting in poor engine efficiency (and fuel mileage) at 50-60 MPH. I'd eagerly trade my '85 beater for an earlier model! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Hey Craig, thanks. Wow, hope you get back to work soon. My post acceptance was late for my purchase, so I found my 6" binder with about 1,300 posts and used it a guide. Cannot say how grateful I am to have found this list in 2000. What car do you own again? I picked the car up yesterday morning. I looked in all these areas...we had the car up on the lift, the headlights and the housings were replaced. No rust inside. Stone pan clean, jack holes clean. But, I did find a few small spots down at the bottom of the doors; the previous owner used a knife; it was hard, solid. It appears as just surface rust. And next to the sunroof...the surface is rough, not flaking or anything. In the compartment where the rear-end hydraulic fluid reservoir is located; nothing. Spare storage, nothing, except a small area with a plug in it, there is a hole in the plug. I lifted up the flat rubber plastic in back (no third seat in this one) nothing except sand, leaves, trash, etc. Popped open the seats (very cool) reminded me of the M100 jump seats. No rust but some white stuff...like how steel oxidizes or something, what is that? No sign of mildew or mold under the mats though. No smell. Nothing is soft, it is all hard metal. I am taking the car to my guy next week after I get it titled and registered. He was going to do the repair on my current 4Dr. at $5,000 - $6,000 UNTIL, the two gigantic tree branches landed on my roof and trunk in June. The tree still stands! It took me all summer to get over it; and the thought of losing the car. I got a rental for about a week. Nice car, but well I don't need to say it; we all know. I was so glad to get back in my 123, cold drafts and all! How on earth do people see out of the rear window of these newer cars???So, if there is something I missed I want know NOW, not 9 years from now, like on the current vehicle. I did not see it on a lift when I bought it in 2000. On the 4Dr. I only saw rust on the stone pan and the jack holes, which I had repaired. My guy saw it over the summer, and said, it was an OK job but not done quite right. That is when I learned about all the rest of it. I had no idea all of that was happening under there. The car was leased by the CEO of the PA Power Company. I have many records, but you know it was snow and salt driven. There will be NO snow driving this year, in either one. It is horrible here, just a mention of snow, and the trucks are out like an army. So, I am working on how to fix it enough to put in a new rear window. I am not spending a lot on it given the rust issues now. However, the shrink wrap and the painters plastic cloth is getting old!Other questions??? I am not that familiar with this model, though I always thought it was fine! I do know the rear suspension is different and I have seen some sagging in the back; I guess they did not do proper maintenance? 1. How would one install a sound system, including a sub-woofer? No, I don't need loud, just deep base so I can feel the guy plucking the strings in a jazz trio, or those low notes that Sara Vaughn hits with ease as a child plays in the sand box. I thought it would great NOT to remove the original Becker. I installed a Clarion in the 4Dr. The buttons are symmetrical; a must. I looked today trying to imagine where speakers would go. Reuss Systems (post from way back) quoted me $2,500 for the 4Dr. He said the 123 was one of the most difficult cars to tune the sound.2. The black carpets in the back have faded of course, so at some point I will replace. All carpets are original and in good shape for 27 years.3. Who fabricates custom mats, like if I send a template in? I want two pieces I can lay out in the back with a lip around the edge.4. What is different about the transmission?5. I think that is about it, other than anything I should know. Is there a group for TD Wagons?ThanksRhonald Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 1:59 pm To: mercedes@okiebenz.com On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:43:19 -0700 r...@rhonald.me wrote: Good morning Kaleb and others. Rhonald is back on the list after a long break. Thoroughly enjoyed talking with Kaleb, Marshall, and others. How is everyone doing? Welcome back, Rhonald! I'm doing OK. Unemployed and looking for work. Are there any places beside the rocker panel area, fender edges (my current car is bad at the left rear fender forward the wheel), jack holes, drivers side underside, under battery tray, front stone pan and up under the rear bumper? Also look behind the rear wheels and in front and back of the front wheels. The headlight area could trap snow/salt slush. Behind the front wheels are plastic pieces that cover where the engine compartment drains are (below the hood hinges). If these pieces are not installed properly stuff can get behind them to bad effect. Any other questions to ask about the '85
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Yes, must be. How are you doing? How are the cars? Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 1:59 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Well, Rhonald's Wednesday post showed up. I'm guessing there's a hold on first posts by new subscribers? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
r...@rhonald.me wrote: Yes, must be. How are you doing? How are the cars? Been busy with family and housing lately. Became a quasi-parent to a great niece last summer when she turned 19 and left foster care. Bought a E320 4matic wagon last winter for a daily driver. Found out the 210 chassis has some things going for it over the old 124. Now the 19-yo wants it or one like it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:02:44 -0700 r...@rhonald.me wrote: Hey Craig, thanks. Wow, hope you get back to work soon. Thank you. My post acceptance was late for my purchase, so I found my 6 binder with about 1,300 posts and used it a guide. Cannot say how grateful I am to have found this list in 2000. Finding the binder was very handy! What car do you own again? I now have two. The one I have had since my days in graduate school in Texas is a 1982 240D with a 5-cylinder, naturally-aspirated engine and a 4-speed manual transmission. In other words, a 1982 240D/3.0. The other car I bought from Donald Snook of this list. It's a 1995 E320 gasoline. No rust but some white stuff...like how steel oxidizes or something, what is that? Rust is oxidized steel (iron). The white stuff is most likely residue from the chemicals in the water that evaporated there. No sign of mildew or mold under the mats though. No smell. Nothing is soft, it is all hard metal. It sounds good, then. Where are you located? (I'm in Los Alamos, New Mexico.) It took me all summer to get over it; and the thought of losing the car. I'm sorry your car got crushed by those tree branches. How on earth do people see out of the rear window of these newer cars??? I have no idea, and dislike them for the same reason. So, if there is something I missed I want know NOW, not 9 years from now, like on the current vehicle. Good idea. I wish you success in properly evaluating the new MB. Other questions??? I am not that familiar with this model, though I always thought it was fine! I do know the rear suspension is different and I have seen some sagging in the back; I guess they did not do proper maintenance? You will need to have someone with experience with the self-leveling suspension to chime in. 1. How would one install a sound system, including a sub-woofer? I cannot help you there. 2. The black carpets in the back have faded of course, so at some point I will replace. All carpets are original and in good shape for 27 years. Talk with Rusty, (800) 741-5252, to see if they are still available. 3. Who fabricates custom mats, like if I send a template in? I want two pieces I can lay out in the back with a lip around the edge. 4. What is different about the transmission? As one of the other responders said, it has a torque converter with a higher stall speed. That will help starting off the line, but apparently will lower fuel mileage. 5. I think that is about it, other than anything I should know. Is there a group for TD Wagons? No need to go looking for another group for your wagon; there are several on this list that have 123 wagons. Hopefully, they will speak up. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Awesome! Thanks MitchRhonald Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 10:35 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Craig wrote: No need to go looking for another group for your wagon; there are several on this list that have 123 wagons. Hopefully, they will speak up. Andrew in DC has a 1985 300TD. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 10:34 pm To: mercedes@okiebenz.com On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:02:44 -0700 r...@rhonald.me wrote: Hey Craig, thanks. Wow, hope you get back to work soon. Thank you. No rust but some white stuff...like how steel oxidizes or something, what is that? Rust is oxidized steel (iron). The white stuff is most likely residue from the chemicals in the water that evaporated there.Ok, yes, like hard water. OK, great. No sign of mildew or mold under the mats though. No smell. Nothing is soft, it is all hard metal. It sounds good, then. Where are you located? (I'm in Los Alamos, New Mexico.)I am in Washington, DC It took me all summer to get over it; and the thought of losing the car. I'm sorry your car got crushed by those tree branches. How on earth do people see out of the rear window of these newer cars??? I have no idea, and dislike them for the same reason. So, if there is something I missed I want know NOW, not 9 years from now, like on the current vehicle. Good idea. I wish you success in properly evaluating the new MB. Other questions??? I am not that familiar with this model, though I always thought it was fine! I do know the rear suspension is different and I have seen some sagging in the back; I guess they did not do proper maintenance? You will need to have someone with experience with the self-leveling suspension to chime in. 2. The black carpets in the back have faded of course, so at some point I will replace. All carpets are original and in good shape for 27 years. Talk with Rusty, (800) 741-5252, to see if they are still available.Ok, will do. 4. What is different about the transmission? As one of the other responders said, it has a torque converter with a higher stall speed. That will help starting off the line, but apparently will lower fuel mileage. 5. I think that is about it, other than anything I should know. Is there a group for TD Wagons? No need to go looking for another group for your wagon; there are several on this list that have 123 wagons. Hopefully, they will speak up.Awesome, signing off for the night, take it easy!Rhonald Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
