Re: [MBZ] I’m getting this

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Have scrap prices improved much of late? The past few years they’ve been pretty 
lousy.

-D

> On Oct 18, 2023, at 11:00 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> Mostly for the staggered monoblocks and whatever else might be good. The 
> wheels are worth a good amount. I don’t know exactly what else might match 
> with the 92 400E but there might be some bits. Should be enough to make it 
> worth a negotiated price and the hulk will be worth a bit at the scrapper
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/345688404493236/?mibextid=6ojiHh
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Re: [MBZ] I'm getting dizzy and seasick 1993 Mercedes Benz 300CE - $7, 500 (Pittsboro) `

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s amazing how people but zero effort into marketing a car 

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> On Jun 20, 2022, at 8:44 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Looks nice as best I can tell
> 
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/bynum-1993-mercedes-benz-300ce/7498422293.html
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

And the place to do that figuring is on Okietalk...

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Feb 28, 2021 7:38:24 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes :

> We all need to figure out who to or what to blame for it.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 28, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well the price of crude oil keeps going up, so as long as that continues 
>> the price at the pump will go up.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> Feb 28, 2021 7:21:47 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Remember when it was at or over $4/gal? I wonder where this is headed.
>>> 
 On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:17 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Yes Typically, Flagstaff is always more expensive than down here, but not
 at this point in time. Diesel is hanging in at 2.80, regular unleaded is $3
 a gallon, and the Fry’s Stations near me are out of diesel and out of
 medium grade and premium unleaded.
 I filled up all of my vehicles. Shit is getting real.
 
 AZBob
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> OK Don
>>> 
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>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>>> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My $2.25 cheapo Marathon diesel is now $2.75.  Since I drive maybe 500
miles/month it doesn't really bother me.  Was $3.00 in the past 12 months
IIRC.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 8:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I’m sure it will be hitting $4 by the end of summer, if not before.
>
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> > On Feb 28, 2021, at 6:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Remember when it was at or over $4/gal? I wonder where this is headed.
> >
> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:17 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes Typically, Flagstaff is always more expensive than down here, but
> not
> >> at this point in time. Diesel is hanging in at 2.80, regular unleaded
> is $3
> >> a gallon, and the Fry’s Stations near me are out of diesel and out of
> >> medium grade and premium unleaded.
> >> I filled up all of my vehicles. Shit is getting real.
> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> > Von Braun
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m sure it will be hitting $4 by the end of summer, if not before. 

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> On Feb 28, 2021, at 6:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Remember when it was at or over $4/gal? I wonder where this is headed.
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:17 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes Typically, Flagstaff is always more expensive than down here, but not
>> at this point in time. Diesel is hanging in at 2.80, regular unleaded is $3
>> a gallon, and the Fry’s Stations near me are out of diesel and out of
>> medium grade and premium unleaded.
>> I filled up all of my vehicles. Shit is getting real.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>We all need to figure out who to or what to blame for it.

Increased activity I would think. Less Covid restrictions, more travel, more 
fuel used. Early on in the lockdowns, there was a glut of crude oil, and no 
where to store it. Prices actually went negative for a while. Semi tractors and 
rail engines still used diesel, but petroleum refining can only skew the 
finished product a few percentage points, so lack of refined gasoline storage 
capacity nearly shut down refineries. Probably why the fallacy of doing away 
with fossil fuels is just that. A fallacy.


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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

That would depend on "activities" in the middle east.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

Remember when it was at or over $4/gal? I wonder where this is headed.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:17 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

We all need to figure out who to or what to blame for it. 

AZBob

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> On Feb 28, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well the price of crude oil keeps going up, so as long as that continues the 
> price at the pump will go up.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Feb 28, 2021 7:21:47 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>> Remember when it was at or over $4/gal? I wonder where this is headed.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:17 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes Typically, Flagstaff is always more expensive than down here, but not
>>> at this point in time. Diesel is hanging in at 2.80, regular unleaded is $3
>>> a gallon, and the Fry’s Stations near me are out of diesel and out of
>>> medium grade and premium unleaded.
>>> I filled up all of my vehicles. Shit is getting real.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well the price of crude oil keeps going up, so as long as that continues the 
price at the pump will go up.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Feb 28, 2021 7:21:47 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

> Remember when it was at or over $4/gal? I wonder where this is headed.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:17 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes Typically, Flagstaff is always more expensive than down here, but not
>> at this point in time. Diesel is hanging in at 2.80, regular unleaded is $3
>> a gallon, and the Fry’s Stations near me are out of diesel and out of
>> medium grade and premium unleaded.
>> I filled up all of my vehicles. Shit is getting real.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Remember when it was at or over $4/gal? I wonder where this is headed.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 6:17 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes Typically, Flagstaff is always more expensive than down here, but not
> at this point in time. Diesel is hanging in at 2.80, regular unleaded is $3
> a gallon, and the Fry’s Stations near me are out of diesel and out of
> medium grade and premium unleaded.
> I filled up all of my vehicles. Shit is getting real.
>
> AZBob
>


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OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Yes Typically, Flagstaff is always more expensive than down here, but not at 
this point in time. Diesel is hanging in at 2.80, regular unleaded is $3 a 
gallon, and the Fry’s Stations near me are out of diesel and out of medium 
grade and premium unleaded. 
I filled up all of my vehicles. Shit is getting real. 

AZBob

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> On Feb 28, 2021, at 2:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Grant,
> 
> In Flagstaff this week I paid around $2,80/gallon for regular unleaded, and 
> diesel was slightly cheaper, which sort of surprised me.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2021, at 2:27 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> DIesel is now over $0.65 cents higher than the day the keystone pipeline
>> was canceled That should be a real economic stimulus.
>> Yesterday, I saw gas at over $3 ... first time in 4 years... That will hurt
>> a lot of people in the covid no work year.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 2:20 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...the price of fuel has gone up 10 cents.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Grant,

In Flagstaff this week I paid around $2,80/gallon for regular unleaded, and 
diesel was slightly cheaper, which sort of surprised me.

-D

> On Feb 28, 2021, at 2:27 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> DIesel is now over $0.65 cents higher than the day the keystone pipeline
> was canceled That should be a real economic stimulus.
> Yesterday, I saw gas at over $3 ... first time in 4 years... That will hurt
> a lot of people in the covid no work year.
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 2:20 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ...the price of fuel has gone up 10 cents.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I’m getting tired of every time I leave my house...

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DIesel is now over $0.65 cents higher than the day the keystone pipeline
was canceled That should be a real economic stimulus.
Yesterday, I saw gas at over $3 ... first time in 4 years... That will hurt
a lot of people in the covid no work year.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ...the price of fuel has gone up 10 cents.
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Andrew writes:

>I then started taking Pilates once/week and doing >30 small crunches (situps) 
>every day. 

You are also very physically active (racket ball) IIRC. I'm sure that helps. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

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After x rays, my Dr prescribed Physical therapist who specialuzes in back
pain.  after a few months it was,a miracle. I have exercises to do if it
starts to flare up.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 7:02 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
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> Andrew's right, you need to build up your core.  I was also suffering from
> back pain, got busy with bicycle crunches and stretching, pain gone.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Andrew's right, you need to build up your core.  I was also suffering from back 
pain, got busy with bicycle crunches and stretching, pain gone.

Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Got the radiator swapped out on the car. Took about 3 hours instead of my usual 
30 minutes. I had planned on doing a IP swap on a 603 also but I think I’m 
about done for the day. 

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> On May 31, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> If I’m bent over doing something like tightening the lower radiator hose 
> clamps or something for a few minutes I start getting sore in the back. 
> 
> I do need to get my lift going because I am really getting too old the be 
> laying on my back under a car. 
> 
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>> On May 31, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Don’t know about that, but when I anticipate a major physical undertaking 
>> like this I usually pre-medicate with some naproxen sodium (generic Aleve) 
>> and I’m fine for the day. Definitely cuts down on that next day soreness.
>> 
>> Whenever I decide to do the AC compressor on the 420E I’ll do this, as it 
>> will be a long day under the car with a lot of ups and downs.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As I’m out working on cars today I’m removing the radiator from the e300. 
>>> These days when I’m bent over working on something like pulling this 
>>> radiator out, I get lower back pain/soreness. I usually have to stop and 
>>> sit down for a few minutes. I wonder if I got one of those back brace 
>>> things that people use for heavy lifting would help. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

If I’m bent over doing something like tightening the lower radiator hose clamps 
or something for a few minutes I start getting sore in the back. 

I do need to get my lift going because I am really getting too old the be 
laying on my back under a car. 

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> On May 31, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don’t know about that, but when I anticipate a major physical undertaking 
> like this I usually pre-medicate with some naproxen sodium (generic Aleve) 
> and I’m fine for the day. Definitely cuts down on that next day soreness.
> 
> Whenever I decide to do the AC compressor on the 420E I’ll do this, as it 
> will be a long day under the car with a lot of ups and downs.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 31, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> As I’m out working on cars today I’m removing the radiator from the e300. 
>> These days when I’m bent over working on something like pulling this 
>> radiator out, I get lower back pain/soreness. I usually have to stop and sit 
>> down for a few minutes. I wonder if I got one of those back brace things 
>> that people use for heavy lifting would help. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I had chronic lower back pain starting at 40 when I threw my back at work.
I then started taking Pilates once/week and doing 30 small crunches
(situps) every day.  Since then my lower back has been pain free except for
getting out of bed in the AM.  When I over exert (lifting incorrectly) and
it does flare up, it's never for long and an ibuprofen takes care of the
pain.

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:21 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Do some yoga stretches every day.  There are bunch of youtuber "yoga
> along" vids
>
> --FT
>
> On 5/31/20 2:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Don’t know about that, but when I anticipate a major physical
> undertaking like this I usually pre-medicate with some naproxen sodium
> (generic Aleve) and I’m fine for the day. Definitely cuts down on that next
> day soreness.
> >
> > Whenever I decide to do the AC compressor on the 420E I’ll do this, as
> it will be a long day under the car with a lot of ups and downs.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On May 31, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> As I’m out working on cars today I’m removing the radiator from the
> e300. These days when I’m bent over working on something like pulling this
> radiator out, I get lower back pain/soreness. I usually have to stop and
> sit down for a few minutes. I wonder if I got one of those back brace
> things that people use for heavy lifting would help.
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Do some yoga stretches every day.  There are bunch of youtuber "yoga 
along" vids


--FT

On 5/31/20 2:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Don’t know about that, but when I anticipate a major physical undertaking like 
this I usually pre-medicate with some naproxen sodium (generic Aleve) and I’m 
fine for the day. Definitely cuts down on that next day soreness.

Whenever I decide to do the AC compressor on the 420E I’ll do this, as it will 
be a long day under the car with a lot of ups and downs.

-D


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 wrote:

As I’m out working on cars today I’m removing the radiator from the e300. These 
days when I’m bent over working on something like pulling this radiator out, I 
get lower back pain/soreness. I usually have to stop and sit down for a few 
minutes. I wonder if I got one of those back brace things that people use for 
heavy lifting would help.

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Re: [MBZ] OT getting old

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Don’t know about that, but when I anticipate a major physical undertaking like 
this I usually pre-medicate with some naproxen sodium (generic Aleve) and I’m 
fine for the day. Definitely cuts down on that next day soreness.

Whenever I decide to do the AC compressor on the 420E I’ll do this, as it will 
be a long day under the car with a lot of ups and downs.

-D

> On May 31, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As I’m out working on cars today I’m removing the radiator from the e300. 
> These days when I’m bent over working on something like pulling this radiator 
> out, I get lower back pain/soreness. I usually have to stop and sit down for 
> a few minutes. I wonder if I got one of those back brace things that people 
> use for heavy lifting would help. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting vid off android phone

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Android is way easier than iPhone. A cable will connect you directly, just like 
a USB drive. Mac doesn't support it well, it requires a driver that I've had 
mixed luck with.

Curt

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  On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes wrote:   I need to get a vid (or maybe more 
than one) and pics off an LG K20 phone running android 7.0.  He might have 
others parked somewhere not actually on the phone but somehow accessible. I 
think the guy has it on one of those pay as you go plans on metro pcs. Files 
are probably too big to email. I’m trying to figure out how to do this. I’m 
thinking upload them to a Dropbox or google filebox (whatever that’s called) or 
something similar, or maybe plug it into a computer and somehow download them. 
Use WiFi to do it. 

Does anyone know how this could be done?  Is there anything like iTunes for 
this phone/OS that would make it easy?  I know pretty much nothing about how 
android and such phones work. 

I have Mac laptop and desktops (one running Windows in a VM) and some flavor of 
Windows (10?) laptop so should have some sort of device that would be usable 
however it might work. 

--R
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting vid off android phone

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'd say upload to Google Drive folder, set folder permissions so you can
access from a PC.  Wi-Fi.  Dropbox is similar, use that if you already have
account.

Open the camera app, get to the pix or vids, look for a symbol like a dot
with two arrows going to (share button), then share the file to either
Drive or Dropbox.

Another option would be to plug the phone into computer with USB cable,
then use the computer file Explorer to find the files and copy them over.
May need to set up USB permissions on the phone.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 18:02 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need to get a vid (or maybe more than one) and pics off an LG K20 phone
> running android 7.0.  He might have others parked somewhere not actually on
> the phone but somehow accessible. I think the guy has it on one of those
> pay as you go plans on metro pcs. Files are probably too big to email. I’m
> trying to figure out how to do this. I’m thinking upload them to a Dropbox
> or google filebox (whatever that’s called) or something similar, or maybe
> plug it into a computer and somehow download them. Use WiFi to do it.
>
> Does anyone know how this could be done?  Is there anything like iTunes
> for this phone/OS that would make it easy?  I know pretty much nothing
> about how android and such phones work.
>
> I have Mac laptop and desktops (one running Windows in a VM) and some
> flavor of Windows (10?) laptop so should have some sort of device that
> would be usable however it might work.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting vid off android phone

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Most Android phones, I'd just copy it to a microSD card, but failing that, set 
up a BT transfer and leave it alone for a long time while it finishes. 
Mitch. 
> On June 24, 2018 at 6:22 PM "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, if the phone's running and has Bluetooth, you should be able to
> access it via the Mac's Bluetooth...

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Re: [MBZ] OT getting vid off android phone

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Well, if the phone's running and has Bluetooth, you should be able to
access it via the Mac's Bluetooth...

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need to get a vid (or maybe more than one) and pics off an LG K20 phone
> running android 7.0.  He might have others parked somewhere not actually on
> the phone but somehow accessible. I think the guy has it on one of those
> pay as you go plans on metro pcs. Files are probably too big to email. I’m
> trying to figure out how to do this. I’m thinking upload them to a Dropbox
> or google filebox (whatever that’s called) or something similar, or maybe
> plug it into a computer and somehow download them. Use WiFi to do it.
>
> Does anyone know how this could be done?  Is there anything like iTunes
> for this phone/OS that would make it easy?  I know pretty much nothing
> about how android and such phones work.
>
> I have Mac laptop and desktops (one running Windows in a VM) and some
> flavor of Windows (10?) laptop so should have some sort of device that
> would be usable however it might work.
>
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Re: [MBZ] It's getting into Kleb territory now

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would leave it 104.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Send $$ and I'll be your agent, I'll give you a special rate on my usual
> fee.
> 
> Maybe this would be a good candidate for an OM603 transplant?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Holy smokes somebody needs to jump on that
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> He doesn't show the side that is banged up.  Max went to look at it when
>> the guy was wanting like $2k?
>>> 
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1990-mercedes-benz-
>> 300-ce-as/6385095053.html
>>> 
>>> Max what if we went there with the trailer and $300?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's getting into Kleb territory now

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Send $$ and I'll be your agent, I'll give you a special rate on my usual
fee.

Maybe this would be a good candidate for an OM603 transplant?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Holy smokes somebody needs to jump on that
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > He doesn't show the side that is banged up.  Max went to look at it when
> the guy was wanting like $2k?
> >
> > https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1990-mercedes-benz-
> 300-ce-as/6385095053.html
> >
> > Max what if we went there with the trailer and $300?
> >
> > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] It's getting into Kleb territory now

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Holy smokes somebody needs to jump on that

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He doesn't show the side that is banged up.  Max went to look at it when the 
> guy was wanting like $2k?
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1990-mercedes-benz-300-ce-as/6385095053.html
> 
> Max what if we went there with the trailer and $300?
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] It's getting into Kleb territory now

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, rapidly getting there.  Parked in a very posh Mt. Plastic
neighborhood, so he's probably getting some heat for leaving his dead car
for so long.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He doesn't show the side that is banged up.  Max went to look at it when
> the guy was wanting like $2k?
>
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1990-mercedes-benz-3
> 00-ce-as/6385095053.html
>
> Max what if we went there with the trailer and $300?
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Having lived in Mid East for quite some time.. I happen to have a good
command of Arabic curses I suggest you may find Neek Hallack useful..
it involves a physically impossible sex act with yourself.. if you get the
meaning...

The standard progression of a word fight is to always insult your women
first.. then you.. then knives and blood.. Lovely culture.. once you get
used to the open sewers, disease and violence.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So every coupla days I am working and along about 4-430 I get a call from
 Technical Services or 'Technical Department or computer services or
 some such and the Indian/Paki tells me my Windows computer has a virus and
 I need to type in some IP address to get it working.  Of course this is
 complete BS but no matter how nasty I am to them they keep calling.  So the
 last coupla times I start in yelling wasalaam aleikum Muhammed! and
 asking where the bomb is, if it is in Washington DC and throw a few Obamas
 and allahuwa akbars in there for good measure.  Usually the guy is so
 surprised he doesn't say much so I repeat it a few times more.  The other
 day one started saying something in some language I could not understand,
 and after he tells me in English what insults he was saying about my wife.
 I threw in a few more bomb, Obama, Washington DC, allahuwa akbars, etc.  He
 finally cussed me in English and rang off.

 So I'm thinking this ought to get NSA's attention monitoring inbound phone
 calls from that part of the world.  I'm giving them plenty to work on.

 I'm hoping a coupla black Suburbans show up soon, and together we can find
 out who these guys are!  Get some use out of them!

 --R (whose Windows computers  got enough viruses to die)



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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had a couple at work this week with the bill collector scam where they say 
there's legal action being taken against you and give you the case number so 
you can call them and settle up.

I called one back today and told them I was from the County's Security 
Department and I wanted the caller's name, their supervisor, information about 
their business, etc., so I could forward the information to the legal 
department for possible prosecution.

The guy very hurriedly said, I have removed your number from our list! and 
hung up.

Hee.

Dan


 On Feb 6, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't get those ones, I get the This is a very important call about your 
 credit card bill which it of course isn't...
 At one point last year I had them all stopped for awhile I was so nice to the 
 people calling, I'd ask for their callback number in case we got 
 disconnected, then when they told me they didn't do that I commiserate with 
 how people are mean to them. One lady I kept on the phone for maybe half an 
 hour. If you waste enough of their time in the right way apparently they 
 don't call back for awhile.
 Actually the best thing I've done is to get rid of the answering machine. We 
 get way fewer of the calls now that half the time nobody picks up.
 -Curt
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 Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:45 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case
 
 So every coupla days I am working and along about 4-430 I get a call 
 from Technical Services or 'Technical Department or computer 
 services or some such and the Indian/Paki tells me my Windows computer 
 has a virus and I need to type in some IP address to get it working.  Of 
 course this is complete BS but no matter how nasty I am to them they 
 keep calling.  So the last coupla times I start in yelling wasalaam 
 aleikum Muhammed! and asking where the bomb is, if it is in Washington 
 DC and throw a few Obamas and allahuwa akbars in there for good 
 measure.  Usually the guy is so surprised he doesn't say much so I 
 repeat it a few times more.  The other day one started saying something 
 in some language I could not understand, and after he tells me in 
 English what insults he was saying about my wife.  I threw in a few more 
 bomb, Obama, Washington DC, allahuwa akbars, etc.  He finally cussed me 
 in English and rang off.
 
 So I'm thinking this ought to get NSA's attention monitoring inbound 
 phone calls from that part of the world.  I'm giving them plenty to 
 work on.
 
 I'm hoping a coupla black Suburbans show up soon, and together we can 
 find out who these guys are!  Get some use out of them!
 
 --R (whose Windows computers  got enough viruses to die)
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

NSA will, inshallah!

--R


On 2/6/15 5:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

The better way, however, would be to put these people out of
business and in jail where they belong.

Can you help me do that?

Thanks,


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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

So every coupla days I am working and along about 4-430 I get a call 
from Technical Services or 'Technical Department or computer 
services or some such and the Indian/Paki tells me my Windows 
computer has a virus and I need to type in some IP address to get it 
working.  Of course this is complete BS but no matter how nasty I am 
to them they keep calling.  So the last coupla times I start in 
yelling wasalaam aleikum Muhammed! and asking where the bomb is, 
if it is in Washington DC and throw a few Obamas and allahuwa 
akbars in there for good measure.  Usually the guy is so surprised 
he doesn't say much so I repeat it a few times more.  The other day 
one started saying something in some language I could not 
understand, and after he tells me in English what insults he was 
saying about my wife.  I threw in a few more bomb, Obama, Washington 
DC, allahuwa akbars, etc.  He finally cussed me in English and rang 
off.


So I'm thinking this ought to get NSA's attention monitoring inbound 
phone calls from that part of the world.  I'm giving them plenty 
to work on.


I'm hoping a coupla black Suburbans show up soon, and together we 
can find out who these guys are!  Get some use out of them!


--R (whose Windows computers  got enough viruses to die)


More likely they would label you and toss you in the clink.  You 
represent a target that is much lower risk to themselves, than any 
real tea roar rist.


Same as the po lice only want to hand out speeding tickets to 
productive citizens.  Much lower risk to them than chasing bad guys.


Net result is the buy guys walk free.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case

[G Mann via Mercedes]

In my state, anyone making collections has to have a special license to do
so, so the first question that gets ask is What is your license number for
your company registered with the state?

That cuts right to the bone quickly.. most are not... but most people don't
even know the requirement for license.


On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I had a couple at work this week with the bill collector scam where they
 say there's legal action being taken against you and give you the case
 number so you can call them and settle up.

 I called one back today and told them I was from the County's Security
 Department and I wanted the caller's name, their supervisor, information
 about their business, etc., so I could forward the information to the legal
 department for possible prosecution.

 The guy very hurriedly said, I have removed your number from our list!
 and hung up.

 Hee.

 Dan


  On Feb 6, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  I don't get those ones, I get the This is a very important call about
 your credit card bill which it of course isn't...
  At one point last year I had them all stopped for awhile I was so nice
 to the people calling, I'd ask for their callback number in case we got
 disconnected, then when they told me they didn't do that I commiserate with
 how people are mean to them. One lady I kept on the phone for maybe half an
 hour. If you waste enough of their time in the right way apparently they
 don't call back for awhile.
  Actually the best thing I've done is to get rid of the answering
 machine. We get way fewer of the calls now that half the time nobody picks
 up.
  -Curt
   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:45 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case
 
  So every coupla days I am working and along about 4-430 I get a call
  from Technical Services or 'Technical Department or computer
  services or some such and the Indian/Paki tells me my Windows computer
  has a virus and I need to type in some IP address to get it working.  Of
  course this is complete BS but no matter how nasty I am to them they
  keep calling.  So the last coupla times I start in yelling wasalaam
  aleikum Muhammed! and asking where the bomb is, if it is in Washington
  DC and throw a few Obamas and allahuwa akbars in there for good
  measure.  Usually the guy is so surprised he doesn't say much so I
  repeat it a few times more.  The other day one started saying something
  in some language I could not understand, and after he tells me in
  English what insults he was saying about my wife.  I threw in a few more
  bomb, Obama, Washington DC, allahuwa akbars, etc.  He finally cussed me
  in English and rang off.
 
  So I'm thinking this ought to get NSA's attention monitoring inbound
  phone calls from that part of the world.  I'm giving them plenty to
  work on.
 
  I'm hoping a coupla black Suburbans show up soon, and together we can
  find out who these guys are!  Get some use out of them!
 
  --R (whose Windows computers  got enough viruses to die)
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:45:13 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So every coupla days I am working and along about 4-430 I get a call 
 from Technical Services or 'Technical Department or computer 
 services or some such and the Indian/Paki tells me my Windows computer 
 has a virus and I need to type in some IP address to get it working.

I have occupied them a few times by playing dumb. Because I sing tenor,
they think I am a woman. Last time their next-level-up person asked me
what operating system I was using. I know I use Linux, but I asked him,
How do I find that? He started having me do something, but since I had
been sitting there awhile, I told him I needed to go to the bathroom
(which was true!). He said he would wait. I came quietly back and pressed
the mute button on my phone and went back to the computer work I had been
doing. After awhile of waiting, he gave up.

**BUT**, they had previously had me go to a special website of theirs to
log in (which NoScript prevents me doing) and then, when that failed,
download indirectly through their website from legitimate companies which
make desktop sharing software. I dutifully download the executable files,
but for some strange reason, I always get the message, Cannot execute
binary file. :-)

After the conversation was over, I looked up their website with whois and
then contacted their website or DNS provider. The first time their DNS
was provided by GoDaddy. I fired off an email to their abuse address.

The second time their website was hosted by jimdo.com a website operator
in Germany which provided ewss.jimdo.com. At their page
http://support.jimdo.com/contact/inappropriate-content/ , I sent them this
following message:

Message: I have been repeatedly contacted by people who say they
are from the Computer Technical Support Department who say my
computer has told them it has problems. They want me to run
applications on my computer to give them access to it.

They have me go to the website at ewss.jimdo.com and tried
various things to get a desktop-sharing program to run. (That
page lists the following contact information: 

PHONE: (815) 123 4567
ADDRESS: 123 A Street, Miami, FL 38297 )

They have three levels of personnel with Chinese accents and I am
passed up the chain when the previous level cannot get the
desktop-sharing program to run (which it won't because I run
Linux). I succeeded in wasting an hour of their time (and,
unfortunately, an hour of my time as well), keeping them from
harming someone who isn't as knowledgable about computers.

The better way, however, would be to put these people out of
business and in jail where they belong.

Can you help me do that?

Thanks,


Craig


I got the reply,

Hello Craig,

The website that you reported has been blocked. Thank you
for reporting it. 


I have also reported them to the Internet Crime Center at
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx



 So I'm thinking this ought to get NSA's attention monitoring inbound 
 phone calls from that part of the world.  I'm giving them plenty to 
 work on.
 
 I'm hoping a coupla black Suburbans show up soon, and together we can 
 find out who these guys are!  Get some use out of them!

Yes, indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't get those ones, I get the This is a very important call about your 
credit card bill which it of course isn't...
At one point last year I had them all stopped for awhile I was so nice to the 
people calling, I'd ask for their callback number in case we got disconnected, 
then when they told me they didn't do that I commiserate with how people are 
mean to them. One lady I kept on the phone for maybe half an hour. If you waste 
enough of their time in the right way apparently they don't call back for 
awhile.
Actually the best thing I've done is to get rid of the answering machine. We 
get way fewer of the calls now that half the time nobody picks up.
-Curt
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:45 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Getting NSA on the case
   
So every coupla days I am working and along about 4-430 I get a call 
from Technical Services or 'Technical Department or computer 
services or some such and the Indian/Paki tells me my Windows computer 
has a virus and I need to type in some IP address to get it working.  Of 
course this is complete BS but no matter how nasty I am to them they 
keep calling.  So the last coupla times I start in yelling wasalaam 
aleikum Muhammed! and asking where the bomb is, if it is in Washington 
DC and throw a few Obamas and allahuwa akbars in there for good 
measure.  Usually the guy is so surprised he doesn't say much so I 
repeat it a few times more.  The other day one started saying something 
in some language I could not understand, and after he tells me in 
English what insults he was saying about my wife.  I threw in a few more 
bomb, Obama, Washington DC, allahuwa akbars, etc.  He finally cussed me 
in English and rang off.

So I'm thinking this ought to get NSA's attention monitoring inbound 
phone calls from that part of the world.  I'm giving them plenty to 
work on.

I'm hoping a coupla black Suburbans show up soon, and together we can 
find out who these guys are!  Get some use out of them!

--R (whose Windows computers  got enough viruses to die)



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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Rich Thomas]

I got a coupla kinds at a good spice shop in Houston and I have found different 
kinds at whole foods and their analogs.  Or try an Asian grocery.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:30 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 What I want to know is, what is a good curry powder?
 We are always looking for other, better spices like curry powder 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Gerry Archer]

What is the typical diet like where you live, Randy?

Small zucchini can have the smooth consistency and agreeable taste of ice 
cream when microwaved whole.  If a zucchini from a batch in a store can be 
easily snapped in two exposing a uniform white interior, that usual 
identifies the above.


Gerry..who still hasn't figured out how to get rid of the okra slime 
without breading and frying.




Yuck! You can keep Okra, zucchini and Curry.
Randy



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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Mitch Haley]

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I was taught this trick by an Indian Fijian who lived upstairs from us
Peace Corpse volunteers in Suva, the capital city.  You fry the onions
first until translucent (the onions, that is), then throw in the curry
powder and cook it awhile.


Then does your house smell like a Persian restaurant for the next year?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Dan Penoff]

One of the former owners or possibly renters of my house were Indian, I 
believe. At least based on what our neighbors tell us they were...

They installed an outdoor kitchen on the lanai with a metal backsplash behind 
the stove. The neighbors said they cooked out here regularly, and the smell was 
so powerful when they did one neighbor said her kids would come in from the 
back yard with their eyes all bleary.

I'm pretty sure they were cooking curry or something comparable, as I was 
cleaning the top of the ceiling fan in the family room, which the kitchen opens 
out to, and there was something nasty all over the top of the fan that required 
a lot of elbow grease and industrial strength cleaner to remove.

Nasty stuff. I can't imagine what it does to your innards.

Dan

On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:57 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 I was taught this trick by an Indian Fijian who lived upstairs from us
 Peace Corpse volunteers in Suva, the capital city.  You fry the onions
 first until translucent (the onions, that is), then throw in the curry
 powder and cook it awhile.
 
 Then does your house smell like a Persian restaurant for the next year?
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Randy Bennell]

A typical diet might vary widely as I am sure it does in the USA.

I am not a very picky eater but I am not much of an adventurer when it 
comes to food either.


Last night for dinner, I had a barbequed pork chop, baked potato and 
caesar salad.


Randy

On 21/08/2013 3:39 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:

What is the typical diet like where you live, Randy?

Small zucchini can have the smooth consistency and agreeable taste of 
ice cream when microwaved whole.  If a zucchini from a batch in a 
store can be easily snapped in two exposing a uniform white interior, 
that usual identifies the above.


Gerry..who still hasn't figured out how to get rid of the okra 
slime without breading and frying.




Yuck! You can keep Okra, zucchini and Curry.
Randy






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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Fmiser]

 Gerry wrote:
 
 Small zucchini can have the smooth consistency and agreeable
 taste of ice cream when microwaved whole.

???!!

Note to self.  Don't accept ice cream offers from Gerry.  *smiles*

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I am not a huge zucchini fan but they transform well, e.g., zucchini
pancakes, marinated and grilled zukes, sweet and sour, et al.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Gerry wrote:
 
  Small zucchini can have the smooth consistency and agreeable
  taste of ice cream when microwaved whole.

 ???!!

 Note to self.  Don't accept ice cream offers from Gerry.  *smiles*

 --   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/08/2013 1:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I am not a huge zucchini fan but they transform well, e.g., zucchini
pancakes, marinated and grilled zukes, sweet and sour, et al.


I guess my concern with respect to zucchini is that it seems a waste of 
time and effort.

It has so little flavour I wonder why anyone bothers with it.
It may be good for you if it is cooked in a healthy manner but I still 
cannot see the point of it.
Restaurants often include it as a part of the vegetable mix around here 
but I would just as soon have more carrots etc.


The one thing about it is that it seems to be very easy to grow.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Not for me.  Squash borers are endemic here.  When I do harvest them I feel
really proud of myself.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 21/08/2013 1:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 I am not a huge zucchini fan but they transform well, e.g., zucchini
 pancakes, marinated and grilled zukes, sweet and sour, et al.


 I guess my concern with respect to zucchini is that it seems a waste of
 time and effort.
 It has so little flavour I wonder why anyone bothers with it.
 It may be good for you if it is cooked in a healthy manner but I still
 cannot see the point of it.
 Restaurants often include it as a part of the vegetable mix around here
 but I would just as soon have more carrots etc.

 The one thing about it is that it seems to be very easy to grow.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Aug 21, 2013 12:08 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
.


 I guess my concern with respect to zucchini is that it seems a waste of
time and effort.
 It has so little flavour I wonder why anyone bothers with it.

It has a ton of flavor (or flavour) when freshly picked!

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[Dan Penoff]

All right! I'm not the only person who thinks this!

I have often compared zucchini to celery. Tasteless and has little redeeming 
qualities on its own.

To me zucchini is just an extension of the spices or things prepared with it. 
It can't stand alone.

Dan waiting for the zucchini flames

On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 21/08/2013 1:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 I am not a huge zucchini fan but they transform well, e.g., zucchini
 pancakes, marinated and grilled zukes, sweet and sour, et al.
 I guess my concern with respect to zucchini is that it seems a waste of time 
 and effort.
 It has so little flavour I wonder why anyone bothers with it.
 It may be good for you if it is cooked in a healthy manner but I still cannot 
 see the point of it.
 Restaurants often include it as a part of the vegetable mix around here but I 
 would just as soon have more carrots etc.
 
 The one thing about it is that it seems to be very easy to grow.
 
 Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Randy Bennell]

On 21/08/2013 2:25 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

All right! I'm not the only person who thinks this!

I have often compared zucchini to celery. Tasteless and has little redeeming 
qualities on its own.

To me zucchini is just an extension of the spices or things prepared with it. 
It can't stand alone.

Dan waiting for the zucchini flames




Yes, I had a secretary who swore that you could chop it up and then add 
a can of pineapple juice and it would be just like crushed pinepple.


My question was why not just get real pineapple? Why would you want fake 
pineapple?


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[OK Don]

Sounds excellent, and close to something my wife whipped up once, but
without the potatoes. What I want to know is, what is a good curry powder?
 We are always looking for other, better spices like curry powder 


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

  When the onions turned translucent I added a tablespoon of good curry
 powder and
 cooked the curry while stiring with a wooden spatula for another 3 minutes
 on high heat.




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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

One of the former owners or possibly renters of my house were Indian, I 
believe. At least based on what our neighbors tell us they were...


Oh, yes, Poos is right.
Indian, not Iranian restaurant.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Curt Raymond]

I would submit that you've never had a good zucchini. Good ones are picked 
while they're still small (less than 2 in diameter) and consumed within a 
couple days. Sliced and eaten raw they have a sweet taste similar to cucumbers 
but more delicate.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:25:57 -0400
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

All right! I'm not the only person who thinks this!

I have often compared zucchini to celery. Tasteless and has little redeeming 
qualities on its own.

To me zucchini is just an extension of the spices or things prepared with it. 
It can't stand alone.

Dan waiting for the zucchini flames
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[Larry T]

Speaking of BBQ Pork -- we bought some Tony Lomas BBQ ribs at Costco -- 
I'm not normally a fan of ribs - too much work for too little meat - but 
these were AWESOME!  I literally can't wait to have them again.  The 
meat fell off the bone after heating them in the oven.  BTW, they also 
sell them in the deli section of Walmart - at least here that's where 
they are.


Makes my mouth water just thinking of them...

LarryT

On 8/21/2013 12:23 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:


A typical diet might vary widely as I am sure it does in the USA.

I am not a very picky eater but I am not much of an adventurer when it 
comes to food either.


Last night for dinner, I had a barbequed pork chop, baked potato and 
caesar salad.


Randy

On 21/08/2013 3:39 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:

What is the typical diet like where you live, Randy?

Small zucchini can have the smooth consistency and agreeable taste of 
ice cream when microwaved whole.  If a zucchini from a batch in a 
store can be easily snapped in two exposing a uniform white interior, 
that usual identifies the above.


Gerry..who still hasn't figured out how to get rid of the okra 
slime without breading and frying.




Yuck! You can keep Okra, zucchini and Curry.
Randy






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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Greg Fiorentino]

My favorite way to serve zucchini:  Broil or grill dry, then apply Italian
dressing or other seasonings of your choice.  I was putting dressing on
first until my pro chef cousin corrected me.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Strasfogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:37 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

I am not a huge zucchini fan but they transform well, e.g., zucchini
pancakes, marinated and grilled zukes, sweet and sour, et al.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Gerry wrote:
 
  Small zucchini can have the smooth consistency and agreeable taste 
  of ice cream when microwaved whole.

 ???!!

 Note to self.  Don't accept ice cream offers from Gerry.  *smiles*

 --   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I may make some zuke fritters tonight if i get home in time.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote:

 My favorite way to serve zucchini:  Broil or grill dry, then apply Italian
 dressing or other seasonings of your choice.  I was putting dressing on
 first until my pro chef cousin corrected me.

 Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
 Strasfogel
 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:37 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

 I am not a huge zucchini fan but they transform well, e.g., zucchini
 pancakes, marinated and grilled zukes, sweet and sour, et al.

 On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

   Gerry wrote:
  
   Small zucchini can have the smooth consistency and agreeable taste
   of ice cream when microwaved whole.
 
  ???!!
 
  Note to self.  Don't accept ice cream offers from Gerry.  *smiles*
 
  --   Philip
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Jim Cathey]

It has so little flavour I wonder why anyone bothers with it.


Because it's FLLLEE, yow, yow, yow.

(Pretend Michael Jackson is singing it.)

It's quite good, we have it a lot.  Sliced thinly, covered
in Mrs. Dash or lemon pepper seasoning, and nuked 'til done.
Easy, fast, tasty, and fairly healthy.

-- Jim



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[Rich Thomas]

Zuke frites.

I made an awesome pasta sauce tonight with fresh tomats.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

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 I may make some zuke fritters tonight if i get home in time.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Randy Bennell]

Yuck! You can keep Okra, zucchini and Curry.

Randy

On 20/08/2013 11:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Enough with all the diesel talk.  I need to share last night's spontaneous
okra-potato-zucchini curry recipe.

I went out to the back yard last night and picked a bunch of okra, a purple
cayenne pepper (first of the season) and a good sized striped green
zucchini.   Went inside and chopped up a small onion, the cayenne
pepper and a clove of garlic.  Sliced the okra into approx. 1/2 rounds and
set them aside.  Peeled a small red skin potato and cut it into small cubes
(1/2) and set aside.  Cut the zucchini into 1/2 thick rounds, then
quartered each round and set aside.

In a 12 cast iron skillet I poured 1/4 c. Russian semi-processed sunflower
oil, added two dried cayenne peppers cut in half, and 1/2 tsp of sea salt.
Heated the skillet on high until the sunflower oil was nearly smoking and
the peppers started to char, then added the chopped onion mix.  When the
onions turned translucent I added a tablespoon of good curry powder and
cooked the curry while stiring with a wooden spatula for another 3 minutes
on high heat.  Added the potato and cooked for another 3 minutes more,
stirringoccasionally. Added the okra and stirred while sauteeing another 5
mintues before adding the zucchini and sauteed another 4 minutes.  Flame is
still pretty high.  Then added 1 cup of water which instantly started to
boil as I scraped the pan bottom to release all the good stuff stuck to the
bottom, then lowered the heat and allowed to simmer, stirring once or
twice, for 12 minutes.  Served the curry over rice; it was almost dry and
amazingly good.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[dseretakis]

Not sure about the curry, but okra and zucchini are tasty and very healthy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 20, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 
 Yuck! You can keep Okra, zucchini and Curry.
 
 Randy
 
 On 20/08/2013 11:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 Enough with all the diesel talk.  I need to share last night's spontaneous
 okra-potato-zucchini curry recipe.
 
 I went out to the back yard last night and picked a bunch of okra, a purple
 cayenne pepper (first of the season) and a good sized striped green
 zucchini.   Went inside and chopped up a small onion, the cayenne
 pepper and a clove of garlic.  Sliced the okra into approx. 1/2 rounds and
 set them aside.  Peeled a small red skin potato and cut it into small cubes
 (1/2) and set aside.  Cut the zucchini into 1/2 thick rounds, then
 quartered each round and set aside.
 
 In a 12 cast iron skillet I poured 1/4 c. Russian semi-processed sunflower
 oil, added two dried cayenne peppers cut in half, and 1/2 tsp of sea salt.
 Heated the skillet on high until the sunflower oil was nearly smoking and
 the peppers started to char, then added the chopped onion mix.  When the
 onions turned translucent I added a tablespoon of good curry powder and
 cooked the curry while stiring with a wooden spatula for another 3 minutes
 on high heat.  Added the potato and cooked for another 3 minutes more,
 stirringoccasionally. Added the okra and stirred while sauteeing another 5
 mintues before adding the zucchini and sauteed another 4 minutes.  Flame is
 still pretty high.  Then added 1 cup of water which instantly started to
 boil as I scraped the pan bottom to release all the good stuff stuck to the
 bottom, then lowered the heat and allowed to simmer, stirring once or
 twice, for 12 minutes.  Served the curry over rice; it was almost dry and
 amazingly good.
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[Rich Thomas]

Sounds tasty but zukes are fairly bland.  The idea of throwing the curry powder 
in the hot oil is interesting.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

Enough with all the diesel talk.  I need to share last night's spontaneous
okra-potato-zucchini curry recipe.

I went out to the back yard last night and picked a bunch of okra, a purple
cayenne pepper (first of the season) and a good sized striped green
zucchini.   Went inside and chopped up a small onion, the cayenne
pepper and a clove of garlic.  Sliced the okra into approx. 1/2 rounds and
set them aside.  Peeled a small red skin potato and cut it into small cubes
(1/2) and set aside.  Cut the zucchini into 1/2 thick rounds, then
quartered each round and set aside.

In a 12 cast iron skillet I poured 1/4 c. Russian semi-processed sunflower
oil, added two dried cayenne peppers cut in half, and 1/2 tsp of sea salt.
Heated the skillet on high until the sunflower oil was nearly smoking and
the peppers started to char, then added the chopped onion mix.  When the
onions turned translucent I added a tablespoon of good curry powder and
cooked the curry while stiring with a wooden spatula for another 3 minutes
on high heat.  Added the potato and cooked for another 3 minutes more,
stirringoccasionally. Added the okra and stirred while sauteeing another 5
mintues before adding the zucchini and sauteed another 4 minutes.  Flame is
still pretty high.  Then added 1 cup of water which instantly started to
boil as I scraped the pan bottom to release all the good stuff stuck to the
bottom, then lowered the heat and allowed to simmer, stirring once or
twice, for 12 minutes.  Served the curry over rice; it was almost dry and
amazingly good.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I was taught this trick by an Indian Fijian who lived upstairs from us
Peace Corpse volunteers in Suva, the capital city.  You fry the onions
first until translucent (the onions, that is), then throw in the curry
powder and cook it awhile.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Sounds tasty but zukes are fairly bland.  The idea of throwing the curry
 powder in the hot oil is interesting.

 --R (sent from my miniPad)

 On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Enough with all the diesel talk.  I need to share last night's spontaneous
 okra-potato-zucchini curry recipe.

 I went out to the back yard last night and picked a bunch of okra, a purple
 cayenne pepper (first of the season) and a good sized striped green
 zucchini.   Went inside and chopped up a small onion, the cayenne
 pepper and a clove of garlic.  Sliced the okra into approx. 1/2 rounds and
 set them aside.  Peeled a small red skin potato and cut it into small cubes
 (1/2) and set aside.  Cut the zucchini into 1/2 thick rounds, then
 quartered each round and set aside.

 In a 12 cast iron skillet I poured 1/4 c. Russian semi-processed sunflower
 oil, added two dried cayenne peppers cut in half, and 1/2 tsp of sea salt.
 Heated the skillet on high until the sunflower oil was nearly smoking and
 the peppers started to char, then added the chopped onion mix.  When the
 onions turned translucent I added a tablespoon of good curry powder and
 cooked the curry while stiring with a wooden spatula for another 3 minutes
 on high heat.  Added the potato and cooked for another 3 minutes more,
 stirringoccasionally. Added the okra and stirred while sauteeing another 5
 mintues before adding the zucchini and sauteed another 4 minutes.  Flame is
 still pretty high.  Then added 1 cup of water which instantly started to
 boil as I scraped the pan bottom to release all the good stuff stuck to the
 bottom, then lowered the heat and allowed to simmer, stirring once or
 twice, for 12 minutes.  Served the curry over rice; it was almost dry and
 amazingly good.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Getting back to okra

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Aug 20, 2013 3:30 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Not sure about the curry, but okra
 and zucchini are tasty and very
 healthy.

I don't need any excuse to eat curry, but there's some evidence, I believe,
that spicy food lowers blood pressure and cholesterol.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

One reminded me to change ALL the fuses on my '95 E300, the other
extolled the virtues of M1...

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tom tomscat
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:20 PM
To: mercedes diesel
Subject: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?


 

They didn't happen to mention any tips on the stock market, perchance,
did they?

 

:)

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 300D W115

and a half dozen BMWs

 

 

 

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:03:45 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?
Message-ID:
1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b80369d...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.na
vy.mil
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
I've gotten two emails from this list and a third email from a totally
different domain that were all from the year 2029.
 
Anyone know if this is my problem or some other problem, maybe the email
server that services my account?
 
-Max

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?

[Tim C.]

Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

the more things change, the more they stay the same.   I have about 50 
of those 2010 bluetech diesels in my back yard.

Grandkids still uncomfortable whizzing in the trunks?

-Tim of the future
...Outlook predicts dramatic fall in AAPL.


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
 Hahahahahahaha.  Guess I'm catching up on digest from 2010.  You guys
 haven't changed much 

 -Max

   


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Re: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?

[R A Bennell]

Something about selling fast and stuffing a mattress . . . 

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of tom tomscat
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:20 PM
To: mercedes diesel
Subject: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?



 

They didn't happen to mention any tips on the stock market, perchance, did they?

 

:)

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 300D W115

and a half dozen BMWs

 

 

 

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:03:45 -0400
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?
Message-ID:
1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b80369d...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
I've gotten two emails from this list and a third email from a totally
different domain that were all from the year 2029.
 
Anyone know if this is my problem or some other problem, maybe the email
server that services my account?
 
-Max

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I will look and see.

John Reames wrote:
You don't have any old newspapers in them, do you?  I'm interested in 
a winning powerball number from 2010-2015 or so... It will help me 
pass the time until I catch up...


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Re: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

What do you mean?  The date is May 13th, 2029, what date did you think 
it was?


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

I've gotten two emails from this list and a third email from a totally
different domain that were all from the year 2029.

Anyone know if this is my problem or some other problem, maybe the email
server that services my account?

-Max
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[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Hahahahahahaha.  Guess I'm catching up on digest from 2010.  You guys
haven't changed much 

-Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:45 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?

What do you mean?  The date is May 13th, 2029, what date did you think
it was?

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
 I've gotten two emails from this list and a third email from a totally

 different domain that were all from the year 2029.

 Anyone know if this is my problem or some other problem, maybe the 
 email server that services my account?

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Re: [MBZ] OT getting email from the future?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

the more things change, the more they stay the same.   I have about 50 
of those 2010 bluetech diesels in my back yard.


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Hahahahahahaha.  Guess I'm catching up on digest from 2010.  You guys
haven't changed much 


-Max

  



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[John Reames]

You don't have any old newspapers in them, do you?  I'm interested in  
a winning powerball number from 2010-2015 or so... It will help me  
pass the time until I catch up...


When you are on the treadmill for an hour, your speed has no relavance  
to your comletion time...


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On May 13, 2010, at 21:31, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net  
wrote:


the more things change, the more they stay the same.   I have about  
50 of those 2010 bluetech diesels in my back yard.


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

Hahahahahahaha.  Guess I'm catching up on digest from 2010.  You guys
haven't changed much
-Max




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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Loren Faeth]

ULSD meets the ASTM Spec for ULSD.  LowSD meets the ASTM SPec for Low 
SD.  THere was an older spec for DIesel fuel.


Allan is correct.  Older pumps were designed for the lubricity of 
Diesel or Low SD.  ULSD, without additive does not have the lubricity 
provided by sulfur in older fuels.  Suppliers are supposed to add and 
additive during this transition period, but it is anyone's guess if they do.
The best way to know you are getting fuel with adequate lubricity is 
to buy B2 if you can.


The Bosch inline IPs are very robust, and will run a long time, even 
on ULSD before they wear out.  Even when worn out, they are not 
likely to leave you stranded.  You will notice missing at idle or 
other warnings before failure.  For the use most people put on their 
OM 616 or 617, I agree, the lubricity issue will probably not affect 
them.  But if you want an engine to run over 300k miles, you might 
want to take some precautions with your fuel.


Johns CDI was designed for ULSD, and if should be expected to run 
just fine on ULSD.
If anyone still has an engine with the Bosch pump with the oil filler 
on top, not lubricated with engine oil, it is important to drain and 
refill the IP body with motor oil about twice a year or very 10k 
miles or so.  (or every other oil change.)  This will help to keep 
your pump lubricated properly in spite of the fuel.



At 02:57 PM 2/11/2009, you wrote:

Allan Streib wrote:

The older pumps used on OM617s and the older engines may have been
designed with the expectation that there was more lubrication in the
fuel than ULSD has


I've also put about 20k miles on my 2.5T as well (brother drives it 
now).  No problems at all.


ULSD should meet the ASTM specifications for diesel... and there are 
lubricity requirements...  I do not believe the lubricity 
requirements decreased in the specification, and as a result, the 
refineries should have added additives of their own to make the ULSD 
meet the lubricity requirements.


My $.02

John

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Curt Raymond]

Best looking part of the car... I should have waxed it last fall though, dirt 
sticks to it really well.

No painting projects recently, its been WAY to cold, this week we're above 
freezing which is nice.

Plan in the spring is to paint the whole car, probably with the same technique, 
should go fast as I don't intend to go to bare metal or change colors.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:13 -0500
From: Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Curt, how's that rolled hood doing.  Any more painting projects recently,
or waiting for Spring?

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Curt Raymond]

I think as with everything it depends on how you drive. I do 110 miles a day on 
the highway, I don't think the coking up you'd worry about on a city car is of 
the same concern.

Never the less I said I run a quart through the car every spring as a tonic. 
That means ONCE a year I run ONE quart through the car. I thought that was 
pretty clear but apparently some others do not.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:00:53 -0500
From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I thought motor oil and ATF were a no-no if used regularly
Gerry
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From: Curt Raymond
Motor oil?

Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as a 
tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine.
240D has a brake leak thats sideline it though...
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Curt Raymond]

Carbon buildup means you don't drive enough or you drive too slow...

Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might 
actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with 
carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. He also noted 
that there might be a loss (which I've detected) in fuel economy while using 
it. I've noted a small reduction in engine noise while using motor oil (at one 
point I used maybe 10% motor oil because I found a source for $0.25/qt) but it 
goes away quickly upon return to straight diesel.

I'm talking about as a tonic here. If I were using it as a fuel lubrication 
enhancer I'd talk about a lot less oil, more like a pint per tank. Probably 
wouldn't hurt anything, probably wouldn't help anything either...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:50:54 -0800
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I don't remember Marshall recommending anything like that either. What 
good is it supposed to do? Seems like it would just contribute to carbon 
buildup, and old MB diesels burn enough engine oil as it is!

Tyler

Allan Streib wrote:
 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:

   
 Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every
 spring as a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run
 fine.
     

 I recall Marshall being against the ROUTINE use of ANY additive.
 Additives to address specific issues (e.g. diesel purge) when symptoms
 presented was another matter.

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Allan Streib]

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:41:31 -0800 (PST), Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 
said:

 Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and
 might actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could
 help with carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel.

Now that you say it that way I do recall that as well.  You're talking about 
NEW motor oil right?  I do know he was absolutely opposed to the practice of 
some who dispose of their old motor oil by dumping it in the fuel tank.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I recommend him saying that we should add nothing to our engines.  

--- On Tue, 2/10/09, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:

From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 7:50 PM

I don't remember Marshall recommending anything like that either. What 
good is it supposed to do? Seems like it would just contribute to carbon 
buildup, and old MB diesels burn enough engine oil as it is!

Tyler

Allan Streib wrote:
 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:

   
 Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every
 spring as a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run
 fine.
 

 I recall Marshall being against the ROUTINE use of ANY additive.
 Additives to address specific issues (e.g. diesel purge) when symptoms
 presented was another matter.

 Allan
   

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Wilton Strickland]

Attaboy!  Keep at it.  Didn't think you'd been painting any recently - 'had
to get in a dig about the temps.  ;)))

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled


Best looking part of the car... I should have waxed it last fall though,
dirt sticks to it really well.

No painting projects recently, its been WAY to cold, this week we're
above freezing which is nice.

Plan in the spring is to paint the whole car, probably with the same
technique, should go fast as I don't intend to go to bare metal or change
colors.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:17:13 -0500
From: Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Curt, how's that rolled hood doing. Any more painting projects recently,
or waiting for Spring?

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[R A Bennell]

What advantage would there be to a one shot deal? Does not seem to me that the 
effects would last very long. Could
understand if one suggested a quart with every fill or  a pint or whatever but 
once per year seems like it wouldn't
be much of an advantage.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:37 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled


I think as with everything it depends on how you drive. I do 110 miles a day on 
the highway, I don't think the
coking up you'd worry about on a city car is of the same concern.

Never the less I said I run a quart through the car every spring as a tonic. 
That means ONCE a year I run ONE quart
through the car. I thought that was pretty clear but apparently some others do 
not.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:00:53 -0500
From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I thought motor oil and ATF were a no-no if used regularly
Gerry
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From: Curt Raymond
Motor oil?

Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as a
tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine.
240D has a brake leak thats sideline it though...
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[tyler]

Yea, I think you're right. I can't see how it would make any difference 
at all one way or another.


As for carbon, and cleaning out the fuel system- I don't think anything 
compares to an italian tuneup while running 100% Biodiesel! Biodiesel is 
a really good solvent for cleaning out the engine, it even cleans out 
the tank (hence the filter clogging). For me, it put out big clouds of 
old soot the first few times, and after that the engine idles smoother, 
accelerates quicker, and has ZERO visible smoke except on full throttle.


Tyler

Curt Raymond wrote:

Carbon buildup means you don't drive enough or you drive too slow...

Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might 
actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with 
carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. He also noted 
that there might be a loss (which I've detected) in fuel economy while using 
it. I've noted a small reduction in engine noise while using motor oil (at one 
point I used maybe 10% motor oil because I found a source for $0.25/qt) but it 
goes away quickly upon return to straight diesel.

I'm talking about as a tonic here. If I were using it as a fuel lubrication 
enhancer I'd talk about a lot less oil, more like a pint per tank. Probably 
wouldn't hurt anything, probably wouldn't help anything either...

-Curt
  


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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Curt Raymond]

Hooo yeah he'd have written in all caps if you'd talked about used motor oil...

He also said to use a water sequestering agent a couple times a year (I do 
spring and fall) and an algecide if your fuel filters plugged.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:55:45 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:41:31 -0800 (PST), Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com 
said:

 Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and
 might actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could
 help with carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel.

Now
that you say it that way I do recall that as well.  You're talking
about NEW motor oil right?  I do know he was absolutely opposed to the
practice of some who dispose of their old motor oil by dumping it in
the fuel tank.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Curt Raymond]

Its right warm today, supposed to hit 53F. I'm fixin to go get coffee in a 
different building and might not even wear a coat...

The warm weather is all hell on snowmobiling though. I wanted to ride on Sunday 
but didn't dare, it was in the mid 40's and the snow softened up. If you ride 
when its warm like that you rip up the base of the trail. Even if it gets cold 
again we won't get any more base making snow this winter...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:45:19 -0500
From: Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Attaboy!  Keep at it.  Didn't think you'd been painting any recently - 'had
to get in a dig about the temps.  ;)))

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled


Best looking part of the car... I should have waxed it last fall though,
dirt sticks to it really well.

No painting projects recently, its been WAY to cold, this week we're
above freezing which is nice.

Plan in the spring is to paint the whole car, probably with the same
technique, should go fast as I don't intend to go to bare metal or change
colors.

-Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[dblidd]

I remember Marshall recommending this too, but only for engines that do not see 
full temp, highway driving. I believe that he recommended 10w oil only and 
really reamed one guy when he substituted ATF for 10w motor oil. I used to do 
this on my 190d, since it was really worn out. I think I did it once on my '79 
240D engine after it sat in my driveway for 3 years waiting to get transplanted 
in my current '77 240D

back to lurking
Dave Liddell
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:41:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Carbon buildup means you don't drive enough or you drive too slow...

Marshall said a quart once a year as a tonic wouldn't hurt anything and might 
actually (in conjunction with italian tune up style driving) could help with 
carbon buildup because it would burn hotter than diesel fuel. He also noted 
that there might be a loss (which I've detected) in fuel economy while using 
it. I've noted a small reduction in engine noise while using motor oil (at one 
point I used maybe 10% motor oil because I found a source for $0.25/qt) but it 
goes away quickly upon return to straight diesel.

I'm talking about as a tonic here. If I were using it as a fuel lubrication 
enhancer I'd talk about a lot less oil, more like a pint per tank. Probably 
wouldn't hurt anything, probably wouldn't help anything either...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:50:54 -0800
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I don't remember Marshall recommending anything like that either. What 
good is it supposed to do? Seems like it would just contribute to carbon 
buildup, and old MB diesels burn enough engine oil as it is!

Tyler


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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Hooo yeah he'd have written in all caps if you'd talked about used motor oil...


Wasn't the purpose of the oil to increase combustion temps and help the Italian 
Tuneup?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[John Robbins]

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
I recommend him saying that we should add nothing to our engines.  


I think so to.  IIRC, he said the only time to add something was when we 
were experiencing a problem.  If we were to put something in he 
recommended Diesel Purge or Techron.


John

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Allan Streib]

I wonder if, to improve lubrication of ULSD, adding a small amount of 2-stroke 
oil would have benefits?

Allan
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:24:32 -0600, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu said:

 Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
  I recommend him saying that we should add nothing to our engines.  
 
 I think so to.  IIRC, he said the only time to add something was when we 
 were experiencing a problem.  If we were to put something in he 
 recommended Diesel Purge or Techron.
 
 John
 
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[John Robbins]

Allan Streib wrote:

I wonder if, to improve lubrication of ULSD, adding a small amount of
2-stroke oil would have benefits?


How long have all of us been driving on ULSD?  Personally, I've put over 
20k on the CDI, and there are MANY other people who have put on more in 
all sorts of different cars.  After the first six months of people 
bitching and moaning about mostly coincidental leaks, you don't hear 
about any more problems


I just drive to a high traffic diesel pump, fill up, and don't worry 
about it...


John

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Allan Streib]

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:36:44 -0600, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu
said:

 How long have all of us been driving on ULSD?  Personally, I've put over 
 20k on the CDI, and there are MANY other people who have put on more in 
 all sorts of different cars.  After the first six months of people 
 bitching and moaning about mostly coincidental leaks, you don't hear 
 about any more problems

The CDI was designed in Europe at a time when ULSD was already the
standard there correct?

The older pumps used on OM617s and the older engines may have been
designed with the expectation that there was more lubrication in the
fuel than ULSD has

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[John Robbins]

Allan Streib wrote:

The older pumps used on OM617s and the older engines may have been
designed with the expectation that there was more lubrication in the
fuel than ULSD has


I've also put about 20k miles on my 2.5T as well (brother drives it 
now).  No problems at all.


ULSD should meet the ASTM specifications for diesel... and there are 
lubricity requirements...  I do not believe the lubricity requirements 
decreased in the specification, and as a result, the refineries should 
have added additives of their own to make the ULSD meet the lubricity 
requirements.


My $.02

John

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Loren Faeth]

I think it was $45 for a case of 4 gallons last fall.  (on sale)  At 
a truckstop.



At 10:42 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote:


On the 'net it's $31.00 per half gallon including freight which
treats 250 gallon which would be about 12 cents per gallon
Truck stop prices might be lower since over half the 'net
costs is freight.  I'll check next time I go through Wildwood.
Thanks, Loren
Gerry

From: Loren Faeth I don't think it is the cheapest, but Howes Diesel 
Treat is probably one of the better products out there.


It is not billed as a lubricant, but if you read the description, it 
appears to add lubricity among other things.  Around this part of 
the country, truckstops stock lots of it.


At 04:46 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote:

I wonder what's the cheapest lubricant additive that can be used?
ULSD is the only fuel that's available around here.
Gerry
-
From: Loren Faeth In theory, I think ULSD is supposed to be 
lubricated with some additive.  If you trust your fuel source, 
then you should be fine.  After finding gasoline that won't burn at 
temps under 10 below, I don't trust any fuel source anymore.  As I 
have said before, when price disruptions occur, fuel quality seems 
to suffer.  You can choose to add lubricants/conditioners if you 
want.  I generally don't, but I wonder if I should.


At 11:48 AM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
It'll take a while to really be sure but my 190D has 30-40,000 
miles on ULSD with no noticable effect.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Luther]

i.e. a medium or large truck stop, Love's, Pilot, Petro, T/A, Flying J, 
etc...


Luther

John Robbins wrote:

Allan Streib wrote:

I wonder if, to improve lubrication of ULSD, adding a small amount of
2-stroke oil would have benefits?


How long have all of us been driving on ULSD?  Personally, I've put 
over 20k on the CDI, and there are MANY other people who have put on 
more in all sorts of different cars.  After the first six months of 
people bitching and moaning about mostly coincidental leaks, you don't 
hear about any more problems


I just drive to a high traffic diesel pump, fill up, and don't worry 
about it...


John 

--
Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion


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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Loren Faeth]

In theory, I think ULSD is supposed to be lubricated with some 
additive.  If you trust your fuel source, then you should be 
fine.  After finding gasoline that won't burn at temps under 10 
below, I don't trust any fuel source anymore.  As I have said before, 
when price disruptions occur, fuel quality seems to suffer.  You can 
choose to add lubricants/conditioners if you want.  I generally 
don't, but I wonder if I should.


At 11:48 AM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
It'll take a while to really be sure but my 190D has 30-40,000 miles 
on ULSD with no noticable effect.


-Curt

Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:27:16 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: m13aeo8yjf@cs.indiana.edu
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Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com writes:

 As for ULSD, our engines were made for the lubricity of sulfur.  A B2
 ULSD is good, and achieves roughly the same lubricity as old LSD
 (how's that for an acronym for Low Sulfur Diesel?)  If you can only
 find ULSD, it is a good thing to add some BioD if you can. I usually
 try to fill about the halfway point in the tank, that way the effects
 of unknown Diesel can be diluted.

Since all that I can find around here is #2 ULSD should I be adding any
kind of lubrication additives?  I thought ULSD already had compensated
for the lower sulfer lubricity.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Archer]

I wonder what's the cheapest lubricant additive that can be used?
ULSD is the only fuel that's available around here.
Gerry
-
From: Loren Faeth 
In theory, I think ULSD is supposed to be lubricated with some 
additive.  If you trust your fuel source, then you should be 
fine.  After finding gasoline that won't burn at temps under 10 
below, I don't trust any fuel source anymore.  As I have said before, 
when price disruptions occur, fuel quality seems to suffer.  You can 
choose to add lubricants/conditioners if you want.  I generally 
don't, but I wonder if I should.


At 11:48 AM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
It'll take a while to really be sure but my 190D has 30-40,000 miles 
on ULSD with no noticable effect.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Curt Raymond]

Motor oil?

Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as a 
tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine.

240D has a brake leak thats sideline it though...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:46:10 -0500
From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I wonder what's the cheapest lubricant additive that can be used?
ULSD is the only fuel that's available around here.
Gerry


  
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:

 Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every
 spring as a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run
 fine.

I recall Marshall being against the ROUTINE use of ANY additive.
Additives to address specific issues (e.g. diesel purge) when symptoms
presented was another matter.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Wilton Strickland]

Curt, how's that rolled hood doing.  Any more painting projects recently,
or waiting for Spring?

Wilton

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To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled


 Motor oil?

 Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as
a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine.

 240D has a brake leak thats sideline it though...

 -Curt

 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:46:10 -0500
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 I wonder what's the cheapest lubricant additive that can be used?
 ULSD is the only fuel that's available around here.
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Archer]

I thought motor oil and ATF were a no-no if used regularly
Gerry
--
From: Curt Raymond
Motor oil?

Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every spring as a 
tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run fine.

240D has a brake leak thats sideline it though...
-Curt

From: Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
I wonder what's the cheapest lubricant additive that can be used?
ULSD is the only fuel that's available around here.
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[tyler]

I don't remember Marshall recommending anything like that either. What 
good is it supposed to do? Seems like it would just contribute to carbon 
buildup, and old MB diesels burn enough engine oil as it is!


Tyler

Allan Streib wrote:

Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:

  

Per Marshall I run a quart of motor oil through the engine every
spring as a tonic. Dunno if it hurts or helps anything but my cars run
fine.



I recall Marshall being against the ROUTINE use of ANY additive.
Additives to address specific issues (e.g. diesel purge) when symptoms
presented was another matter.

Allan
  


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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Loren Faeth]

I don't think it is the cheapest, but Howes Diesel Treat is probably 
one of the better products out there.


It is not billed as a lubricant, but if you read the description, it 
appears to add lubricity among other things.  Around this part of the 
country, truckstops stock lots of it.


At 04:46 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote:


I wonder what's the cheapest lubricant additive that can be used?
ULSD is the only fuel that's available around here.
Gerry
-
From: Loren Faeth In theory, I think ULSD is supposed to be 
lubricated with some additive.  If you trust your fuel source, 
then you should be fine.  After finding gasoline that won't burn at 
temps under 10 below, I don't trust any fuel source anymore.  As I 
have said before, when price disruptions occur, fuel quality seems 
to suffer.  You can choose to add lubricants/conditioners if you 
want.  I generally don't, but I wonder if I should.


At 11:48 AM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
It'll take a while to really be sure but my 190D has 30-40,000 
miles on ULSD with no noticable effect.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Archer]

On the 'net it's $31.00 per half gallon including freight which
treats 250 gallon which would be about 12 cents per gallon
Truck stop prices might be lower since over half the 'net
costs is freight.  I'll check next time I go through Wildwood.
Thanks, Loren
Gerry

From: Loren Faeth 
I don't think it is the cheapest, but Howes Diesel Treat is probably 
one of the better products out there.


It is not billed as a lubricant, but if you read the description, it 
appears to add lubricity among other things.  Around this part of the 
country, truckstops stock lots of it.


At 04:46 PM 2/10/2009, you wrote:

I wonder what's the cheapest lubricant additive that can be used?
ULSD is the only fuel that's available around here.
Gerry
-
From: Loren Faeth In theory, I think ULSD is supposed to be 
lubricated with some additive.  If you trust your fuel source, 
then you should be fine.  After finding gasoline that won't burn at 
temps under 10 below, I don't trust any fuel source anymore.  As I 
have said before, when price disruptions occur, fuel quality seems 
to suffer.  You can choose to add lubricants/conditioners if you 
want.  I generally don't, but I wonder if I should.


At 11:48 AM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
It'll take a while to really be sure but my 190D has 30-40,000 
miles on ULSD with no noticable effect.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Curt Raymond]

It'll take a while to really be sure but my 190D has 30-40,000 miles on ULSD 
with no noticable effect.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:27:16 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com writes:

 As for ULSD, our engines were made for the lubricity of sulfur.  A B2
 ULSD is good, and achieves roughly the same lubricity as old LSD
 (how's that for an acronym for Low Sulfur Diesel?)  If you can only
 find ULSD, it is a good thing to add some BioD if you can. I usually
 try to fill about the halfway point in the tank, that way the effects
 of unknown Diesel can be diluted.

Since all that I can find around here is #2 ULSD should I be adding any
kind of lubrication additives?  I thought ULSD already had compensated
for the lower sulfer lubricity.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D



  
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Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Thanks for all that info!
Dimitri

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote:

From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 8:56 PM

Yes, There is a strainer in the tank  , where the outlet nose comes 
out.  takes a 17mm crow-foot and a 2 5/16 socket on a 123.  When you 
take off the fuel filler cap, do you hear a whoosh?  if so, your vent 
line is plugged.  You may just be starving it for fuel.  The vent 
line is a lot easier than crawling under, getting a face and arms 
full of diesel fuel to get the tank drained and pull the screen.

If you try to drain the tank, get new hose stubs first from 
Rusty.  Unless yours have been replaced in the last 5 yrs, they need 
to be replaced.  Often that solves the fuel starvation problems, as 
the hoses don't leak fuel, but will draw in air, causing fuel 
starvation.  they are threaded on on the tank end and plain hose for 
a clamp on the other.  Get new clamps also.  I've had to use a dremel 
to cut them off.

If you are really cheap like me, you cut the ferrules off the 
threaded end of the hose, and just buy new hose and 4 hose 
clamps.  that is a little tougher on the 123 on the suction side, as 
you have to fit the clamp so the seal cover fits back on  right.  But 
it CAN be done.

I've never had gelling until it is below zero., usually under 10 below.

At 07:08 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote:
I don't have gelling problems in 20 degree weather.  It is low teens 
and below where the problem surfaces.  I replaced both fuel filters 
and it still happens.  Screen?  Do you mean in the tank?
Dimitri

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote:

From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 7:00 PM

B2 to B5 should not cause a noticeable difference in the real world.  In a
lab
you might be able to detect a repeatable fraction of a degree variation.

At 20-25 degrees F, the regular #2 should be ok too.  Are you sure 
there is not
a plugged screen, plugged vent, plugged fuel filter or similar problem? 
Air
leaking into the lines can wreak havoc too.

At 04:43 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote:
  Would small amount of biodiesel such as B2 or B5 cause the fuel to
gel at
higher temps?  This 240D I have seems to like to gel up.  The 73 220D which
I'm in the process of restoring rarely had gelling issues.  It's
basically the same engine so I don't know why that is.  I actually used
to
use B100 in that car and in cold - around 20-25 degrees F the biodiesel
would
turn to a slurry and miraculously the car would actually run!
  Dimitri
 

Loren Faeth

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