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Follow up: We ended up getting her a '94 Audi 100 CS Quattro wagon. It's quite nice, and the V6 engine bay has tons of room (which I'll need when I change the timing belt in 45k). Dark Green metallic with black leather, heated seats and a rear diff lock. It drives and handles nice, and feels substantial...but, not quite MB substantial. Oh, and I convinced myself that I needed to pick up a $250 '89 Audi 90 Quattro, which will probably become my beater winter car. On 1/1/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm presently wrestling with the wife over which vehicle we'll get to replace her aging 123 clunker. She's adamantly convinced she needs an AWD vehicle for her alpine-related program activities (x-country ski, hike, snowshoe, etc.), but I think it's stoopid to lug all that 4WD stuff around for the rest of the 99.% time you don't need it. I don't think logic is going to prevail, so...does anyone know much about the Audi Allroador A6 Avant Quattro, etc.? They seem like a nifty rig, if you're into that sort of thing. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) '89 Audi 90Q (202k) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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a $250 '89 Audi 90 Quattro, which will probably become my beater winter car. There was an '89 Audi 90Q on Craigslist with 197K miles on it for $2000 in nice shape with good mechanicals. The ad stated that it was a reliable car that would run forever. I've never owned any other German cars besides Mercedes'. Dad owned a couple '67 vW Baja bugs and a stock '73 bug, and the most recent VW, an '03 Jetta 2.0L manny tranny that was quite a fun car that seemed to use it's 115hp very well. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
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Actually it's just a plain-Jane 10v fiver--bulletproof, but boring. Just to clarify, the Audi 5000 diesels were also fivers, not the VW/Audi sixers found in the Volvos and VW LT trucks. On 1/7/07, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this the one equipped with the 20 valve 5 banger? I can always tell when one drives by, even the older 5000's. Diesel content: an Audi 5000 diesel sounds like a thrashing machine compared to a properly tuned Mercedes diesel engine. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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I ended up with a wrecked '89 Audi 90 Quattro (w/diff lock) that I picked up for $250. I stripped it down, and it needs a new front clip, but all the damaged parts are bolt-on items, and can be easily found for cheap. Didn't hit the frame rails and just smacked the cam sprocket and auxilliary radiator, which can be bipassed. The interior is in wonderful shape, with killer seats I wish could be adapted to fit my TD. Should make a nice sub $1k winter rig, as an interim solution until something better comes along. On 1/1/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm presently wrestling with the wife over which vehicle we'll get to replace her aging 123 clunker. She's adamantly convinced she needs an AWD vehicle for her alpine-related program activities (x-country ski, hike, snowshoe, etc.), but I think it's stoopid to lug all that 4WD stuff around for the rest of the 99.% time you don't need it. I don't think logic is going to prevail, so...does anyone know much about the Audi Allroador A6 Avant Quattro, etc.? They seem like a nifty rig, if you're into that sort of thing. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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I ended up with a wrecked '89 Audi 90 Quattro (w/diff lock) that I picked up for $250. Is this the one equipped with the 20 valve 5 banger? I can always tell when one drives by, even the older 5000's. Diesel content: an Audi 5000 diesel sounds like a thrashing machine compared to a properly tuned Mercedes diesel engine. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
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one drives by, even the older 5000's. Diesel content: an Audi 5000 diesel sounds like a thrashing machine compared to a properly tuned Mercedes diesel Freudian slip? Probably you meant threshing machine, but I kind of like the mental picture I got from what you said! -- Jim
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Yeah, those Audi/VW/Volvo diesel are noisy, especially at idle. The worst offender is actually the vaccum pump, as the operating rod is in two parts. They clack. It also has much more combustion noise, as the prechambers are much smaller and more open. It does turn out quite a bit of power, though, and is higher compression (105 hp on 2.4L) -- factory compression is supposed to be 23:1, but with manufacturing variables, it tends to run a big high -- sometimes 26:1 on a new engine. Turbo boost is fairly low (10.5 psi limit). Volvo makes marine engines with similar high compression and output -- great fun to read the specifications as they weigh quite a bit less and are somewhat smaller than the equivalent Detroits. Peter
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Peter Frederick wrote: It does turn out quite a bit of power, though, and is higher compression (105 hp on 2.4L) Is that the six cylinder? 105hp won't keep up with the BMW 2.4L, or a MBZ 602 five cyl. I have seen a Volvo in one of the Finns' videos which seems to be about as fast as the 603 in a W201 hot rods, mainly because it launches harder. Mitch.
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Yup. With the manual 5-speed its a racer, with the auto it's a bit slow off the line, then pulls pretty hard. Smokey, though -- no one will every wonder if you have your foot in it or not. 1983 design. It's not been running for the last couple years -- wont' start, I think I need the IP done again (the real weak part of this engine), and it has 220,000 miles on it now. Best car I ever had for highway travel -- tremendous power on the interstate at 70, effortless driving, and 31 mpg. Big seats, too. Peter
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Ah, THRESHING machine would describe it perfectly! I haven't heard one of them 5000D's in quite a while, maybe they've all hit the boneyard by now. MB content: Of course, there are plenty of MB diesels around, and I hope that this is the case for many years to come. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
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Threshing, thrashing? Gee! I thought that the back seat of an Audi was the perfect place to find a Lesser spotted double breasted mattress thrasher! Fred Moir Lynn MA Please don't throw things. At 03:27 PM 1/7/2007, you wrote: Actually farmers regularly call threshing thrashing which is really what it is... -Curt
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My parents had a '95 Cherokee that they replaced in '01 because it had NO floor under the passenger side. All the way from the firewall to the rear seat was gone. The passenger seat was even missing one bolt that had fallen through the brace. Apparently the windshield leaked which is apparently fairly common. My in-laws have a '96 with the same leak which I've tried to fix with flowable silicon twice. Its only just a tiny leak now but The gasket is nice and pliable. I took it to a glass shop and the guy didn't want to replace it, said it looked fine. -Curt Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:52:42 -0500 (EST) From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Tom Hargrave wrote: This is her second new Grand Cherokee and fourth new Chrysler Product all have performed flawlessly. I've got a 1991 cherokee that is a aquarium in the rain. Literally-- shop vac time after it rains, every time. passenger side only. -j. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 04 15:36:56 2007 Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net ([206.18.177.52]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2UeG-0003kO-GI for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:36:56 + Received: from aceraspire (c-68-57-181-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net[68.57.181.125]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with SMTP id 20070104153346b1200boiqee; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:33:47 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:33:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] burning used oil X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:36:56 - You wrote:in TX I believe it is a law that if they sell oil they gotta take oil I believe that is a EPA mandate. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] burning used oil Hans -- here in TX I believe it is a law that if they sell oil they gotta take oil. I go to the O'Reilly's and just go in back and pour mine in a tank they have (they take filters too), or to the recycle facility on Westpark. The recycle facility is sort of a fun experience, in a weird way, the people they have working there seem to get really excited about bringing 3 or 4 gal of oil, for reasons about which I can only speculate. they seem to have some limit but I usually yowyow with the attendant and it works out. --R Hans Neureiter wrote: Long ago there was a discussion on how much drained engine oil (Mobil 1) is OK to put in the fueltank. I am finding it more and more difficult to drop off used oil at mac parts places. They act annoyed and let you wait. At $ 2.50+ a gallon diesel it would also cut down the initial cost of the oil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Tom Hargrave wrote: This is her second new Grand Cherokee and fourth new Chrysler Product all have performed flawlessly. I've got a 1991 cherokee that is a aquarium in the rain. Literally-- shop vac time after it rains, every time. passenger side only. -j.
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, David Brodbeck wrote: How's reliability? I've been a little leery of them every since meeting a guy who had an older Cherokee, I think from the mid 90s. He had to put a new ABS pump in it roughly once a year, to the tune of several hundred bucks. Apparently it was a design flaw Chrysler wouldn't own up to. The 1990/1991 cherokees had a crappy integral (bendix-9) ABS system- integral meaning that the ABS hydraulic pressure was used for boost (a la vacuum booster)... The master cylinder (Actuator) had crappy seals that would fail allowing pressure bleed (and air suck), resulting in extended run times for the ABS pressure pump, and the pump would burn out. These things also had an accumulator that is suspiciously like the spheres used in the rear of a TD. (with similar results) The ABS actuator (and perhaps pump too) were subject of a safety recall and are subject to a secret lifetime warranty. Needless to say, no matter what any book tells you, you CANNOT buy a master cylinder for a 1991 cherokee. It was listed by bendix but was for a 1992 or later... Oh yeah, the sphere is not covered (of course), and is ~$200 last I looked. ObChrysler: the neighbors dog irrigated the left front tyre and the thing did not want to start for a week! (j/k) Other than the ABS issues and the aquarium deal, its a decent vehicle. -j.
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Tom Hargrave wrote: My Wife bought a 2006 4WD Grand Cherokee with a V6 last year and she loves it. The system is a full time 4WD it uses the brakes to lock down any wheel that spins. She does need it since she works in Wisconsin. I've driven the jeep in the snow and the 4WD system works great. How's reliability? I've been a little leery of them every since meeting a guy who had an older Cherokee, I think from the mid 90s. He had to put a new ABS pump in it roughly once a year, to the tune of several hundred bucks. Apparently it was a design flaw Chrysler wouldn't own up to.
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This is her second new Grand Cherokee and fourth new Chrysler Product all have performed flawlessly. The key sensor failed in the new one the dealership replaced it under warranty. The 2001 warped 2 rotors I replaced them the calipers myself. I lost a water pump in the 2001 at 120,000 miles lost the water pump in her second Dodge truck at 86,000 miles. I consider the rotors water pumps regular service items. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/02/07 06:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom Hargrave wrote: My Wife bought a 2006 4WD Grand Cherokee with a V6 last year and she loves it. The system is a full time 4WD it uses the brakes to lock down any wheel that spins. She does need it since she works in Wisconsin. I've driven the jeep in the snow and the 4WD system works great. How's reliability? I've been a little leery of them every since meeting a guy who had an older Cherokee, I think from the mid 90s. He had to put a new ABS pump in it roughly once a year, to the tune of several hundred bucks. Apparently it was a design flaw Chrysler wouldn't own up to. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree with your wife, a rear wheel drive Mercedes is not the greatest in the snow ice. But I have another solution. As well as Mercedes fans, we've also been long term Jeep fans. My Wife bought a 2006 4WD Grand Cherokee with a V6 last year and she loves it. The system is a full time 4WD it uses the brakes to lock down any wheel that spins. She does need it since she works in Wisconsin. I've driven the jeep in the snow and the 4WD system works great. The only downside is that it's not the heavy duty 4WD system that you'd use for rock crawling but we don't do that anyway. If you want the heavy duty traditional 4WD system, you have to buy a V8 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The mileage penalty was 1 MPG under the V6 without 4WD. And the best part is - I got her 2001 Grand Cherokee! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? I'm presently wrestling with the wife over which vehicle we'll get to replace her aging 123 clunker. She's adamantly convinced she needs an AWD vehicle for her alpine-related program activities (x-country ski, hike, snowshoe, etc.), but I think it's stoopid to lug all that 4WD stuff around for the rest of the 99.% time you don't need it. I don't think logic is going to prevail, so...does anyone know much about the Audi Allroad or A6 Avant Quattro, etc.? They seem like a nifty rig, if you're into that sort of thing. Any info or experience out there? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, from personal experience I can say that a well designed system has no reason not to lug around all that extra stuff. I've had and known more than a couple Suby's and The only AWD issue I ever recall was a minor tendancy for the center clutches to grab around turns which was only because we hadn't yet changed the tranny fluid at around 90K miles. It was fine after we changed the fluid. Otherwise in normal driving you never have any wheels slipping and with Blizzaks on, it almost never slips even in snow and slush. I don't recall the earlier 2wd models getting much more mileage. I agree, you don't *need* AWD most of the time, but I would MUCH prefer ANY vehicle I buy to have AWD... That said, I have no experience with Audi's Quattro setup, but it should only be a better system since it also uses traction control to get the side-side traction so that it should be capable of true 4WD. And the All-Road is definitely a model I liked with the air suspension. Levi On 1/1/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm presently wrestling with the wife over which vehicle we'll get to replace her aging 123 clunker. She's adamantly convinced she needs an AWD vehicle for her alpine-related program activities (x-country ski, hike, snowshoe, etc.), but I think it's stoopid to lug all that 4WD stuff around for the rest of the 99.% time you don't need it. I don't think logic is going to prevail, so...does anyone know much about the Audi Allroad or A6 Avant Quattro, etc.? They seem like a nifty rig, if you're into that sort of thing. Any info or experience out there? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Casey - I'd bet that she would just love an ML320CDI - probably not that much different in price from the Audi. A new Diesel, quiet, and lots of go, and plenty of room for skis and stuff! Check out the MBUSA site Werner - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? I'm presently wrestling with the wife over which vehicle we'll get to replace her aging 123 clunker. She's adamantly convinced she needs an AWD vehicle for her alpine-related program activities (x-country ski, hike, snowshoe, etc.), but I think it's stoopid to lug all that 4WD stuff around for the rest of the 99.% time you don't need it. I don't think logic is going to prevail, so...does anyone know much about the Audi Allroad or A6 Avant Quattro, etc.? They seem like a nifty rig, if you're into that sort of thing. Any info or experience out there? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've had a little experience with the Audi's and since my Passat which has 4 Motion is similar I would go for the Audi. The Allroad has a little better ground clearance, but is no longer being built and the Avant has a little more room. Just in my opinion Audi still has the best allwheel drive no matter which one you pick Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? I'm presently wrestling with the wife over which vehicle we'll get to replace her aging 123 clunker. She's adamantly convinced she needs an AWD vehicle for her alpine-related program activities (x-country ski, hike, snowshoe, etc.), but I think it's stoopid to lug all that 4WD stuff around for the rest of the 99.% time you don't need it. I don't think logic is going to prevail, so...does anyone know much about the Audi Allroad or A6 Avant Quattro, etc.? They seem like a nifty rig, if you're into that sort of thing. Any info or experience out there? -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
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I should mention that we're just looking to purchase a used car $20k, so the new CDI's are strictly verboten. Here's a vid of my wife out test driving an A6 Avant ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH6OcNmeuVcmode=relatedsearch= On 1/1/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Casey - I'd bet that she would just love an ML320CDI - probably not that much different in price from the Audi. A new Diesel, quiet, and lots of go, and plenty of room for skis and stuff! Check out the MBUSA site Werner Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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Wish we could get away with that here in the States. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? I should mention that we're just looking to purchase a used car $20k, so the new CDI's are strictly verboten. Here's a vid of my wife out test driving an A6 Avant ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH6OcNmeuVcmode=relatedsearch= On 1/1/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Casey - I'd bet that she would just love an ML320CDI - probably not that much different in price from the Audi. A new Diesel, quiet, and lots of go, and plenty of room for skis and stuff! Check out the MBUSA site Werner Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Casey - OK, you didn't mention a spending cap. So how about looking over 4Matic used M-Bs? The StarMark site (under MBUSA) might surprise you After all, there's nothing as safe to have your Significant Other in than an M-B! (its a shame that we can't tap into the used ML 270 CDI market - those have been out for enough years in the rest of the world that they should be affordable, just not in the USA) Werner - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? I should mention that we're just looking to purchase a used car $20k, so the new CDI's are strictly verboten. Here's a vid of my wife out test driving an A6 Avant ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH6OcNmeuVcmode=relatedsearch=
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I'm betting even a used 4Matic will put you over the 20K limit. Besides they don't have the ground clearance that the Audi has Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? Casey - OK, you didn't mention a spending cap. So how about looking over 4Matic used M-Bs? The StarMark site (under MBUSA) might surprise you After all, there's nothing as safe to have your Significant Other in than an M-B! (its a shame that we can't tap into the used ML 270 CDI market - those have been out for enough years in the rest of the world that they should be affordable, just not in the USA) Werner - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? I should mention that we're just looking to purchase a used car $20k, so the new CDI's are strictly verboten. Here's a vid of my wife out test driving an A6 Avant ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH6OcNmeuVcmode=relatedsearch= ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
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If she is able to do that, she needs Gump to keep her under control. Get her a nice old diesel go no where fast car with chains. On Jan 1, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Zeitgeist wrote: I should mention that we're just looking to purchase a used car $20k, so the new CDI's are strictly verboten. Here's a vid of my wife out test driving an A6 Avant ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH6OcNmeuVcmode=relatedsearch= On 1/1/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Casey - I'd bet that she would just love an ML320CDI - probably not that much different in price from the Audi. A new Diesel, quiet, and lots of go, and plenty of room for skis and stuff! Check out the MBUSA site Werner Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
Well, just a quick look at the MBUSA pre-owned list, shows a Silver '99 ML320 for $14K in Lynnwood, WA, and a White '99 ML430 for $18K in Fife - not that I would ever recommend a gas guzzler, but that shows for under 20K you can get an all-wheel drive M-B! Also, the '99 MLs don't have all the bugs out that the newer ones do, either. But most of the reported troubles were body related, such as rattles, rear hatch shocks, etc. The engines are pretty bulletproof, since they are used in lots of M-B cars. Werner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? I'm betting even a used 4Matic will put you over the 20K limit. Besides they don't have the ground clearance that the Audi has Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? Casey - OK, you didn't mention a spending cap. So how about looking over 4Matic used M-Bs? The StarMark site (under MBUSA) might surprise you After all, there's nothing as safe to have your Significant Other in than an M-B! (its a shame that we can't tap into the used ML 270 CDI market - those have been out for enough years in the rest of the world that they should be affordable, just not in the USA) Werner - Original Message - From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? I should mention that we're just looking to purchase a used car $20k, so the new CDI's are strictly verboten. Here's a vid of my wife out test driving an A6 Avant ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH6OcNmeuVcmode=relatedsearch=
