Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash
On 18/03/2022 3:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: I saw that he and his father were both killed in their vehicle along with 7? in the van --FT Yes, they are saying father and son now. Earlier they were saying the 13 year old driver was as yet unidentified. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash
I saw that he and his father were both killed in their vehicle along with 7? in the van --FT On 3/18/22 3:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Interesting that they have yet to identify the youngster as being a son of the elder man (unless there is something new that I have not heard). I gather there was fire after the crash so maybe the identification requires dental records or something as evidence. However, they keep saying the driver was 13 so they must have some indication of who he was. Randy On 18/03/2022 2:52 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: Out in the wild country like that it is not unusual for kids to drive (gummint rules nothwithstanding). That area kinda defines "middle of nowhere." Was it wise, in hindsight maybe, maybe not, as the problem seemed to be due to a blowout, admittedly of a spare that should not have been used -- that was on the father. Kids here in SC and other states used to drive school buses when they were 16, it was no different from being crossing guards or whatever, it was just something they did. I guess the litigious society shut that down. Hell I drove a school bus load of drunks to the Indy 500 when I was 17 (and got $20 and a free infield ticket for my efforts!). That worked out OK, I even had to be assertive afterwards (the race actually got canceled due to a really bad crash on the first lap) when the drunks were misbehaving on the bus. By that time I was flying airplanes for 2 years, so I did have a degree of responsibility. --FT On 3/18/22 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Any thoughts on the wisdom of letting a 13 yo drive at night on a two lane road with a 75 mph speed limit? On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: It sounds like the real issue was probably the poor condition of the spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two, sooner or later and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the van. The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per second. Randy On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud_medium=email_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022_term=Registered%20User ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash
Interesting that they have yet to identify the youngster as being a son of the elder man (unless there is something new that I have not heard). I gather there was fire after the crash so maybe the identification requires dental records or something as evidence. However, they keep saying the driver was 13 so they must have some indication of who he was. Randy On 18/03/2022 2:52 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: Out in the wild country like that it is not unusual for kids to drive (gummint rules nothwithstanding). That area kinda defines "middle of nowhere." Was it wise, in hindsight maybe, maybe not, as the problem seemed to be due to a blowout, admittedly of a spare that should not have been used -- that was on the father. Kids here in SC and other states used to drive school buses when they were 16, it was no different from being crossing guards or whatever, it was just something they did. I guess the litigious society shut that down. Hell I drove a school bus load of drunks to the Indy 500 when I was 17 (and got $20 and a free infield ticket for my efforts!). That worked out OK, I even had to be assertive afterwards (the race actually got canceled due to a really bad crash on the first lap) when the drunks were misbehaving on the bus. By that time I was flying airplanes for 2 years, so I did have a degree of responsibility. --FT On 3/18/22 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Any thoughts on the wisdom of letting a 13 yo drive at night on a two lane road with a 75 mph speed limit? On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: It sounds like the real issue was probably the poor condition of the spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two, sooner or later and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the van. The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per second. Randy On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud_medium=email_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022_term=Registered%20User ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash
Out in the wild country like that it is not unusual for kids to drive (gummint rules nothwithstanding). That area kinda defines "middle of nowhere." Was it wise, in hindsight maybe, maybe not, as the problem seemed to be due to a blowout, admittedly of a spare that should not have been used -- that was on the father. Kids here in SC and other states used to drive school buses when they were 16, it was no different from being crossing guards or whatever, it was just something they did. I guess the litigious society shut that down. Hell I drove a school bus load of drunks to the Indy 500 when I was 17 (and got $20 and a free infield ticket for my efforts!). That worked out OK, I even had to be assertive afterwards (the race actually got canceled due to a really bad crash on the first lap) when the drunks were misbehaving on the bus. By that time I was flying airplanes for 2 years, so I did have a degree of responsibility. --FT On 3/18/22 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Any thoughts on the wisdom of letting a 13 yo drive at night on a two lane road with a 75 mph speed limit? On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: It sounds like the real issue was probably the poor condition of the spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two, sooner or later and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the van. The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per second. Randy On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud_medium=email_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022_term=Registered%20User ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash
Any thoughts on the wisdom of letting a 13 yo drive at night on a two lane road with a 75 mph speed limit? On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It sounds like the real issue was probably the poor condition of the > spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just > driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was > driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed > lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they > were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two, sooner or later > and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the van. > The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to > that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per second. > > Randy > > > On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive. > > > > > https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud_medium=email_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022_term=Registered%20User > > ___ > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cause of deadly TX crash
It sounds like the real issue was probably the poor condition of the spare tire that blew out before the collision. They were likely just driving too fast on a junk tire so it may not have mattered who was driving. If the left front tire blew out, the truck probably changed lanes to the left before there was time to react. Unfortunately they were meeting the van at the same time. A second or two, sooner or later and the truck might have have crossed into the ditch and missed the van. The speed limit was 75 mph and if they were each traveling at close to that speed, their closing rate was something around 150 feet per second. Randy On 18/03/2022 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: In Texas it's not unusual for 13 year olds to drive. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ntsb-13-year-old-drove-pickup-in-texas-crash-that-killed-9/?utm_source=marketingcloud_medium=email_campaign=Morning+Brief+3-18-22_3_18_2022_term=Registered%20User ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
