Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
That's the one! Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Don't be so clumsy? RB On 25/03/2020 5:20 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: Nope, way off. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Rubber dishes? RB On 25/03/2020 1:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: You do know there is a cure for that, right? MG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Don't be so clumsy? RB On 25/03/2020 5:20 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: Nope, way off. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Rubber dishes? RB On 25/03/2020 1:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: You do know there is a cure for that, right? MG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Nope, way off. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Rubber dishes? RB On 25/03/2020 1:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: You do know there is a cure for that, right? MG Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We have the dark brown granite counter tops that were fashionable 20 years ago. They do NOT stain but are truly impressive at breaking glassware when dropped from cabinet height.. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:45 AM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: We had granite counter tops installed in the kitchen that got the Kraftmaid cabinets. We were only there 5 years, but had no increase in broken dishes, and no stains. The granite now is factory impregnated with a sealant that is very good. We have had a granite topped table since that last kitchen re-do, 13 years now, and it's been totally trouble free, other than being rather heavy to move - between 400 and 500 pounds I'd guess. Any bad press for granite staining is obsolete news. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:13 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:35:50 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. Because we heard of granite's propensity to absorb stains, we decided to go with manufactured stone. The one we chose was LG Viatera, ordered from Lowe's. We also had porcelain tile installed on the floor; that was the source of some broken dishes, but the counters were not. Craig ___ -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Rubber dishes? RB On 25/03/2020 1:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: You do know there is a cure for that, right? MG Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We have the dark brown granite counter tops that were fashionable 20 years ago. They do NOT stain but are truly impressive at breaking glassware when dropped from cabinet height.. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:45 AM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: We had granite counter tops installed in the kitchen that got the Kraftmaid cabinets. We were only there 5 years, but had no increase in broken dishes, and no stains. The granite now is factory impregnated with a sealant that is very good. We have had a granite topped table since that last kitchen re-do, 13 years now, and it's been totally trouble free, other than being rather heavy to move - between 400 and 500 pounds I'd guess. Any bad press for granite staining is obsolete news. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:13 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:35:50 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. Because we heard of granite's propensity to absorb stains, we decided to go with manufactured stone. The one we chose was LG Viatera, ordered from Lowe's. We also had porcelain tile installed on the floor; that was the source of some broken dishes, but the counters were not. Craig ___ -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
You do know there is a cure for that, right? MG Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: We have the dark brown granite counter tops that were fashionable 20 years ago. They do NOT stain but are truly impressive at breaking glassware when dropped from cabinet height.. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:45 AM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: We had granite counter tops installed in the kitchen that got the Kraftmaid cabinets. We were only there 5 years, but had no increase in broken dishes, and no stains. The granite now is factory impregnated with a sealant that is very good. We have had a granite topped table since that last kitchen re-do, 13 years now, and it's been totally trouble free, other than being rather heavy to move - between 400 and 500 pounds I'd guess. Any bad press for granite staining is obsolete news. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:13 PM Craig via Mercedes On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:35:50 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. Because we heard of granite's propensity to absorb stains, we decided to go with manufactured stone. The one we chose was LG Viatera, ordered from Lowe's. We also had porcelain tile installed on the floor; that was the source of some broken dishes, but the counters were not. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
We have the dark brown granite counter tops that were fashionable 20 years ago. They do NOT stain but are truly impressive at breaking glassware when dropped from cabinet height.. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:45 AM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > We had granite counter tops installed in the kitchen that got the Kraftmaid > cabinets. We were only there 5 years, but had no increase in broken dishes, > and no stains. The granite now is factory impregnated with a sealant that > is very good. We have had a granite topped table since that last kitchen > re-do, 13 years now, and it's been totally trouble free, other than being > rather heavy to move - between 400 and 500 pounds I'd guess. > > Any bad press for granite staining is obsolete news. > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:13 PM Craig via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:35:50 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. > > > Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. > > > > Because we heard of granite's propensity to absorb stains, we decided to > > go with manufactured stone. The one we chose was LG Viatera, ordered from > > Lowe's. > > > > We also had porcelain tile installed on the floor; that was the source of > > some broken dishes, but the counters were not. > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
We had granite counter tops installed in the kitchen that got the Kraftmaid cabinets. We were only there 5 years, but had no increase in broken dishes, and no stains. The granite now is factory impregnated with a sealant that is very good. We have had a granite topped table since that last kitchen re-do, 13 years now, and it's been totally trouble free, other than being rather heavy to move - between 400 and 500 pounds I'd guess. Any bad press for granite staining is obsolete news. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:13 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:35:50 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. > > Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. > > Because we heard of granite's propensity to absorb stains, we decided to > go with manufactured stone. The one we chose was LG Viatera, ordered from > Lowe's. > > We also had porcelain tile installed on the floor; that was the source of > some broken dishes, but the counters were not. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:35:50 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. > Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. Because we heard of granite's propensity to absorb stains, we decided to go with manufactured stone. The one we chose was LG Viatera, ordered from Lowe's. We also had porcelain tile installed on the floor; that was the source of some broken dishes, but the counters were not. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
If the majority of the cabinets will be the same sizes and layout as what is installed now, is refacing them to match the new/changed cabinets an option? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Just hire these guys: https://peacockhome.com/collections/kitchen-collections/refectory and spend as much as your house is worth on a kitchen! Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > Lowe’s and HD have like 3 grades of cabinets to order, price reflects the > case and hardware quality. Doors and drawer fronts tend to look the same, > might be the same. > > A friend bought some a few months ago. I went to Lowe’s with her and the guy > in the cabinet desk kinda walked her through it. She picked the best ones, > they were not particularly cheap but seem pretty good. > > She had this dumbass install them, a guy her dad uses, and he did a fairly > poor job. I too have built a lot of cabinets and I walked in and immediately > could see how poor his installation was. A shame after she spent the money. > > --R > Sent from iPhone > >> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Most of the better cabinets are solid wood doors/face frames and “A” grade >> plywood cabinets. Yes, there are ones out there that are particle board but >> they’re typically the really low end stuff. >> >> We had granite countertops in our last house and really liked them. I can’t >> recall breaking anything on them in the near 10 years we had them. Beat the >> heck out of these awful Formica countertops we currently have. Ugh. >> >> -D >> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Can't answer your question but most cabinets now are chipboard clad in some >>> kind of veneer. They will not tolerate water. My 1950s kitchen cabinets >>> were solid wood with plywood bottoms. I just modified and painted them. >>> IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. >>> Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. >>> -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:11 PM To: Mercedes List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some experience in this area… First: I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen cabinets of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These were solid hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of the highest quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a good cabinet and what makes a fair cabinet. We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that were put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. Other than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and installing an over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the same dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll also be having granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a whole ‘nother job. I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing some of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than RTA, but labor saving. There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA and preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are designs. So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and what makes one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be using all the same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs are minimal, if that. In other words, everyone has the same products for the most part, from what it seems. My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m not going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with that. And I don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is another reason for foregoing a
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Lowe’s and HD have like 3 grades of cabinets to order, price reflects the case and hardware quality. Doors and drawer fronts tend to look the same, might be the same. A friend bought some a few months ago. I went to Lowe’s with her and the guy in the cabinet desk kinda walked her through it. She picked the best ones, they were not particularly cheap but seem pretty good. She had this dumbass install them, a guy her dad uses, and he did a fairly poor job. I too have built a lot of cabinets and I walked in and immediately could see how poor his installation was. A shame after she spent the money. --R Sent from iPhone > On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Most of the better cabinets are solid wood doors/face frames and “A” grade > plywood cabinets. Yes, there are ones out there that are particle board but > they’re typically the really low end stuff. > > We had granite countertops in our last house and really liked them. I can’t > recall breaking anything on them in the near 10 years we had them. Beat the > heck out of these awful Formica countertops we currently have. Ugh. > > -D > >> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Can't answer your question but most cabinets now are chipboard clad in some >> kind of veneer. They will not tolerate water. My 1950s kitchen cabinets >> were solid wood with plywood bottoms. I just modified and painted them. >> IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. >> Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan >>> Penoff via Mercedes >>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:11 PM >>> To: Mercedes List >>> Cc: Dan Penoff >>> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets >>> >>> Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some >>> experience in this area… >>> >>> First: >>> >>> I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen cabinets >>> of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These were solid >>> hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of the highest >>> quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a good cabinet >>> and what makes a fair cabinet. >>> >>> We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently >>> purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that >>> were >>> put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any >>> significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. >>> Other >>> than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and installing >>> an >>> over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the same >>> dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll also be >>> having >>> granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a whole ‘nother >>> job. >>> >>> I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of >>> woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t >>> be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t >>> necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: >>> >>> RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face >>> frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be >>> assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing >>> some >>> of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. >>> >>> Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face >>> frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than RTA, >>> but labor saving. >>> >>> There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA and >>> preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are >>> designs. >>> So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and what makes >>> one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be using all the >>> same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs are minimal, if >>> that. >>> In other words, everyone has the same products for the most part, from what >>> it seems. >>> >>> My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m >>> not >>> going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with that. >>> And I >>> don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is another >>> reason for >>> foregoing a custom cabinetmaker. >>> >>> So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from whom >>> and are you happy with them? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -D >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
When updating the kitchen in a aged Tudor in 1996, I found that custom was not out of line with the quality commercial cabinets and I was getting something that would fit in the space on hand (tiny and odd layout). I expect that a higher end commercial cabinet replacing builder grade could be sourced at any big box, as long as you understand that in a few years it may grate on you just how flimsy and shoddy they feel and sound when closing. I grit my teeth using the cabinets in ANC due to the giant leap down in quality over the ones I my home. It was no great expense to go custom for office and bathroom cabinets when I replaced the upper story of the house a few years later. I was not able to find commercial cabinetry that felt as solid and well made as the new kitchen cabinets. I could have paid a large premium for the more premium store boxes, but they still felt as if corners had been cut. just my $0.02. I much preferred supporting a local craftsman than a large manufacturer or imported particle board from china. Selecting solid wood (ok, high grade ply) over chip board and plastic laminate made me happier clay > On Mar 23, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some > experience in this area… > > First: > > I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen cabinets > of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These were solid > hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of the highest > quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a good cabinet > and what makes a fair cabinet. > > We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently > purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that > were put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any > significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. > Other than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and > installing an over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the > same dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll also > be having granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a whole > ‘nother job. > > I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of > woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t be > replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t > necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: > > RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face > frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be > assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing > some of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. > > Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face > frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than RTA, > but labor saving. > > There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA and > preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are > designs. So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and > what makes one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be > using all the same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs are > minimal, if that. In other words, everyone has the same products for the most > part, from what it seems. > > My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m not > going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with that. And > I don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is another > reason for foregoing a custom cabinetmaker. > > So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from whom > and are you happy with them? > > Thanks, > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Good to know, since we'll likely be doing this kitchen in the not too distant future. 13 years ago, I didn't see anything of equal quality at HD - but that was a long time ago. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > We’ve gone through it with Lowe’s before but didn’t pull the trigger. I’m > not averse to going that route, either. In fact, I took the quote from > Lowe’s and went across the street to Home Despot and had them give me a > quote on the same stuff. Home Despot is so much more contractor-oriented I > prefer them for major project stuff like this. > > Thanks! > > -D > > > On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:44 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Back then, I did all the measuring, sat down with the kitchen specialist > at > > Lowes, who plugged the right part numbers in the right places and > produced > > some drawings of what it would look like. > > We ordered them, I installed them - everything fit as it should have, > with > > the exception of dealing with walls that were neither square nor > straight. > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Agreed. Unless you’re going custom, the manufactured ones are as good or > >> better than what you can make for the most part. > >> > >> We looked at some at Lowe’s a couple fo years ago, but I don’t recall > the > >> details. I believe that we’ll have an outing to Lowe’s to see what they > >> have available. I do recall that they made it rather difficult to DIY > the > >> install as you had to pay for them to do the measuring or there were no > >> guarantees. Makes sense. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:24 PM, OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> When we re-did the kitchen in the house we had before this one, we > bought > >>> Kraftmaid solid wood cabinets from Lowes. > >>> https://www.lowes.com/b/Kraftmaid.html > >>> We chose hickory with a clear finish . They were beautiful, the > hardware > >>> was all good (I don't remember if we had a choice there). I was happy > >> with > >>> them, as was my wife. > >>> A friend who was a custom builder at the time used to build his own > >>> cabinets, but when I asked him to build ours, he said that he was > buying > >>> them from Lowes, as the quality was better, the finish was harder, and > he > >>> couldn't do it for that price. > >>> This was 13 years ago, so YMMV. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with > >> some > experience in this area… > > First: > > I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen > cabinets of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. > These > were solid hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware > >> of > the highest quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what > >> makes a > good cabinet and what makes a fair cabinet. > > We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we > recently > purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets > >> that > were put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making > >> any > significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same > layout. > Other than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and > installing an over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be > >> the > same dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. > I’ll > also be having granite countertops installed on top of them, but > that’s > >> a > whole ‘nother job. > > I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full > >> of > woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and > >> can’t > be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t > necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: > > RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished > face > frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have > >> to be > assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re > >> providing > some of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. > > Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and > >> face > frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive > than > RTA, but labor saving. > > There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both > RTA > and preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as > >> are > designs. So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) > >> and > what makes one retailer better than the other? I swear
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
The cabinets we had put into camp a few years ago were from Lowes and almost certainly as cheap as we could get, its a camp after all. They are all plywood construction with some kind of veneer, no chipboard at all. To get chipboard you'd have to find something Wal-Mart grade... -Curt On Monday, March 23, 2020, 8:36:38 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: Can't answer your question but most cabinets now are chipboard clad in some kind of veneer. They will not tolerate water. My 1950s kitchen cabinets were solid wood with plywood bottoms. I just modified and painted them. IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:11 PM > To: Mercedes List > Cc: Dan Penoff > Subject: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets > > Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some > experience in this area… > > First: > > I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen cabinets > of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These were solid > hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of the highest > quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a good cabinet > and what makes a fair cabinet. > > We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently > purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that > were > put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any > significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. Other > than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and installing an > over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the same > dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll also be > having > granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a whole ‘nother job. > > I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of > woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t > be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t > necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: > > RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face > frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be > assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing > some > of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. > > Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face > frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than RTA, > but labor saving. > > There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA and > preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are designs. > So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and what makes > one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be using all the > same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs are minimal, if > that. > In other words, everyone has the same products for the most part, from what > it seems. > > My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m not > going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with that. And I > don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is another reason > for > foregoing a custom cabinetmaker. > > So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from whom > and are you happy with them? > > Thanks, > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
We’ve gone through it with Lowe’s before but didn’t pull the trigger. I’m not averse to going that route, either. In fact, I took the quote from Lowe’s and went across the street to Home Despot and had them give me a quote on the same stuff. Home Despot is so much more contractor-oriented I prefer them for major project stuff like this. Thanks! -D > On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:44 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Back then, I did all the measuring, sat down with the kitchen specialist at > Lowes, who plugged the right part numbers in the right places and produced > some drawings of what it would look like. > We ordered them, I installed them - everything fit as it should have, with > the exception of dealing with walls that were neither square nor straight. > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Agreed. Unless you’re going custom, the manufactured ones are as good or >> better than what you can make for the most part. >> >> We looked at some at Lowe’s a couple fo years ago, but I don’t recall the >> details. I believe that we’ll have an outing to Lowe’s to see what they >> have available. I do recall that they made it rather difficult to DIY the >> install as you had to pay for them to do the measuring or there were no >> guarantees. Makes sense. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -D >> >>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:24 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> When we re-did the kitchen in the house we had before this one, we bought >>> Kraftmaid solid wood cabinets from Lowes. >>> https://www.lowes.com/b/Kraftmaid.html >>> We chose hickory with a clear finish . They were beautiful, the hardware >>> was all good (I don't remember if we had a choice there). I was happy >> with >>> them, as was my wife. >>> A friend who was a custom builder at the time used to build his own >>> cabinets, but when I asked him to build ours, he said that he was buying >>> them from Lowes, as the quality was better, the finish was harder, and he >>> couldn't do it for that price. >>> This was 13 years ago, so YMMV. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with >> some experience in this area… First: I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen cabinets of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These were solid hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware >> of the highest quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what >> makes a good cabinet and what makes a fair cabinet. We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets >> that were put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making >> any significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. Other than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and installing an over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be >> the same dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll also be having granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s >> a whole ‘nother job. I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full >> of woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and >> can’t be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have >> to be assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re >> providing some of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and >> face frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than RTA, but labor saving. There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA and preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as >> are designs. So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) >> and what makes one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must >> be using all the same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs are minimal, if that. In other words, everyone has the same products for the most part, from what it seems. My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker >> I’m not going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with that. And I don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which >> is another reason for foregoing a custom
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:11:15 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with > some experience in this area… > > So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from > whom and are you happy with them? When we redid our house in Los Alamos, we went with the cabinet outfit our kitchen designer used: Crestwood. We had full-custom cabinets manufactured with a custom color (I still have the color-sample door they made for us). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Back then, I did all the measuring, sat down with the kitchen specialist at Lowes, who plugged the right part numbers in the right places and produced some drawings of what it would look like. We ordered them, I installed them - everything fit as it should have, with the exception of dealing with walls that were neither square nor straight. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Agreed. Unless you’re going custom, the manufactured ones are as good or > better than what you can make for the most part. > > We looked at some at Lowe’s a couple fo years ago, but I don’t recall the > details. I believe that we’ll have an outing to Lowe’s to see what they > have available. I do recall that they made it rather difficult to DIY the > install as you had to pay for them to do the measuring or there were no > guarantees. Makes sense. > > Thanks! > > -D > > > On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:24 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > When we re-did the kitchen in the house we had before this one, we bought > > Kraftmaid solid wood cabinets from Lowes. > > https://www.lowes.com/b/Kraftmaid.html > > We chose hickory with a clear finish . They were beautiful, the hardware > > was all good (I don't remember if we had a choice there). I was happy > with > > them, as was my wife. > > A friend who was a custom builder at the time used to build his own > > cabinets, but when I asked him to build ours, he said that he was buying > > them from Lowes, as the quality was better, the finish was harder, and he > > couldn't do it for that price. > > This was 13 years ago, so YMMV. > > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with > some > >> experience in this area… > >> > >> First: > >> > >> I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen > >> cabinets of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These > >> were solid hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware > of > >> the highest quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what > makes a > >> good cabinet and what makes a fair cabinet. > >> > >> We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently > >> purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets > that > >> were put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making > any > >> significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. > >> Other than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and > >> installing an over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be > the > >> same dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll > >> also be having granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s > a > >> whole ‘nother job. > >> > >> I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full > of > >> woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and > can’t > >> be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t > >> necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: > >> > >> RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face > >> frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have > to be > >> assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re > providing > >> some of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. > >> > >> Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and > face > >> frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than > >> RTA, but labor saving. > >> > >> There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA > >> and preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as > are > >> designs. So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) > and > >> what makes one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must > be > >> using all the same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs > >> are minimal, if that. In other words, everyone has the same products for > >> the most part, from what it seems. > >> > >> My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker > I’m > >> not going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with > >> that. And I don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which > is > >> another reason for foregoing a custom cabinetmaker. > >> > >> So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from > whom > >> and are you happy with them? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> -D > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Most of the better cabinets are solid wood doors/face frames and “A” grade plywood cabinets. Yes, there are ones out there that are particle board but they’re typically the really low end stuff. We had granite countertops in our last house and really liked them. I can’t recall breaking anything on them in the near 10 years we had them. Beat the heck out of these awful Formica countertops we currently have. Ugh. -D > On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Can't answer your question but most cabinets now are chipboard clad in some > kind of veneer. They will not tolerate water. My 1950s kitchen cabinets > were solid wood with plywood bottoms. I just modified and painted them. > IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. Expect > to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. > >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> Penoff via Mercedes >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:11 PM >> To: Mercedes List >> Cc: Dan Penoff >> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets >> >> Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some >> experience in this area… >> >> First: >> >> I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen cabinets >> of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These were solid >> hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of the highest >> quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a good cabinet >> and what makes a fair cabinet. >> >> We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently >> purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that >> were >> put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any >> significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. >> Other >> than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and installing >> an >> over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the same >> dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll also be >> having >> granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a whole ‘nother job. >> >> I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of >> woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t >> be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t >> necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: >> >> RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face >> frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be >> assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing >> some >> of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. >> >> Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face >> frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than RTA, >> but labor saving. >> >> There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA and >> preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are >> designs. >> So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and what makes >> one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be using all the >> same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs are minimal, if >> that. >> In other words, everyone has the same products for the most part, from what >> it seems. >> >> My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m not >> going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with that. And >> I >> don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is another reason >> for >> foregoing a custom cabinetmaker. >> >> So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from whom >> and are you happy with them? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
IkeaSent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Date: 2020-03-23 7:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some experience in this area…First:I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen cabinets of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These were solid hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of the highest quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a good cabinet and what makes a fair cabinet.We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that were put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. Other than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and installing an over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the same dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll also be having granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a whole ‘nother job.I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding:RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing some of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship.Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than RTA, but labor saving.There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA and preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are designs. So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and what makes one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be using all the same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs are minimal, if that. In other words, everyone has the same products for the most part, from what it seems.My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m not going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with that. And I don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is another reason for foregoing a custom cabinetmaker.So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from whom and are you happy with them?Thanks,-D___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Can't answer your question but most cabinets now are chipboard clad in some kind of veneer. They will not tolerate water. My 1950s kitchen cabinets were solid wood with plywood bottoms. I just modified and painted them. IMO, granite may be trendy but it's a poor material for a countertop. Expect to replace a lot of dish and glass ware. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:11 PM > To: Mercedes List > Cc: Dan Penoff > Subject: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets > > Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some > experience in this area… > > First: > > I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen cabinets > of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These were solid > hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of the highest > quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a good cabinet > and what makes a fair cabinet. > > We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently > purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that > were > put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any > significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. Other > than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and installing an > over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the same > dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll also be > having > granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a whole ‘nother job. > > I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of > woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t > be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t > necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: > > RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face > frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be > assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing > some > of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. > > Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face > frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than RTA, > but labor saving. > > There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA and > preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are designs. > So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and what makes > one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be using all the > same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs are minimal, if > that. > In other words, everyone has the same products for the most part, from what > it seems. > > My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m not > going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with that. And I > don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is another reason > for > foregoing a custom cabinetmaker. > > So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from whom > and are you happy with them? > > Thanks, > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
Agreed. Unless you’re going custom, the manufactured ones are as good or better than what you can make for the most part. We looked at some at Lowe’s a couple fo years ago, but I don’t recall the details. I believe that we’ll have an outing to Lowe’s to see what they have available. I do recall that they made it rather difficult to DIY the install as you had to pay for them to do the measuring or there were no guarantees. Makes sense. Thanks! -D > On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:24 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > When we re-did the kitchen in the house we had before this one, we bought > Kraftmaid solid wood cabinets from Lowes. > https://www.lowes.com/b/Kraftmaid.html > We chose hickory with a clear finish . They were beautiful, the hardware > was all good (I don't remember if we had a choice there). I was happy with > them, as was my wife. > A friend who was a custom builder at the time used to build his own > cabinets, but when I asked him to build ours, he said that he was buying > them from Lowes, as the quality was better, the finish was harder, and he > couldn't do it for that price. > This was 13 years ago, so YMMV. > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some >> experience in this area… >> >> First: >> >> I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen >> cabinets of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These >> were solid hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of >> the highest quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a >> good cabinet and what makes a fair cabinet. >> >> We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently >> purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that >> were put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any >> significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. >> Other than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and >> installing an over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the >> same dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll >> also be having granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a >> whole ‘nother job. >> >> I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of >> woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t >> be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t >> necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: >> >> RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face >> frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be >> assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing >> some of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. >> >> Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face >> frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than >> RTA, but labor saving. >> >> There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA >> and preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are >> designs. So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and >> what makes one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be >> using all the same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs >> are minimal, if that. In other words, everyone has the same products for >> the most part, from what it seems. >> >> My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m >> not going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with >> that. And I don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is >> another reason for foregoing a custom cabinetmaker. >> >> So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from whom >> and are you happy with them? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] OT - Kitchen Cabinets
When we re-did the kitchen in the house we had before this one, we bought Kraftmaid solid wood cabinets from Lowes. https://www.lowes.com/b/Kraftmaid.html We chose hickory with a clear finish . They were beautiful, the hardware was all good (I don't remember if we had a choice there). I was happy with them, as was my wife. A friend who was a custom builder at the time used to build his own cabinets, but when I asked him to build ours, he said that he was buying them from Lowes, as the quality was better, the finish was harder, and he couldn't do it for that price. This was 13 years ago, so YMMV. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 7:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yeah, this is wy off topic, but I’m reaching to find anyone with some > experience in this area… > > First: > > I am an accomplished woodworker who has built and installed kitchen > cabinets of my own design and making in both my and other’s homes. These > were solid hardwood raised panel cabinets built with European hardware of > the highest quality. In other words, I have a pretty good idea what makes a > good cabinet and what makes a fair cabinet. > > We are preparing to replace the kitchen cabinets in the home we recently > purchased. It’s got the original builder’s quality spec grade cabinets that > were put in when the home was built in the late 1990s. I’m not making any > significant changes and will, for the most part, retain the same layout. > Other than a few changes, like replacing a desk with more cabinets and > installing an over the oven/range microwave, the new cabinets will be the > same dimensionally. This is good because they’re all common sizes. I’ll > also be having granite countertops installed on top of them, but that’s a > whole ‘nother job. > > I do not have the resources to build my own. Period. The basement full of > woodworking equipment I had when living in the GWN is long gone and can’t > be replicated. This resigns me to consumer grade cabinets, which isn’t > necessarily a bad thing. Here’s what I’m finding: > > RTA cabinets - essentially knocked-down cabinets with the finished face > frames assembled but the cabinet itself not. These come flat and have to be > assembled by the installer. The less costly way to go, as you’re providing > some of the labor and they’re easier and less costly to ship. > > Preassembled cabinets - just what they sound like - the cabinets and face > frames are assembled and shipped, ready to install. More expensive than > RTA, but labor saving. > > There are loads and loads of online retailers selling cabinets, both RTA > and preassembled. Prices are very similar. Specs are much the same as are > designs. So the question begs, which way to go (RTA vs. preassembled) and > what makes one retailer better than the other? I swear these guys must be > using all the same tooling or manufacturer, as the variations in designs > are minimal, if that. In other words, everyone has the same products for > the most part, from what it seems. > > My expectations are low. I know short of hiring a custom cabinetmaker I’m > not going to have the quality of cabinets I once made, but I’m OK with > that. And I don’t want to invest a ton of money in this, either, which is > another reason for foregoing a custom cabinetmaker. > > So has anyone out there bought cabinets online, if so what type, from whom > and are you happy with them? > > Thanks, > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
