Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
For my $.02: 870 is hard to beat. I had a winchester 1200 from the late 60s. Everyone poo-pooed them but I never had a problem. Winchester Model 12 was always the standard of comparison, but they are pricey. If I were going to buy a shotgun now, I'd buy an 870. Relatively cheap and plentiful. A good solid performer. At 07:17 AM 8/17/2008, you wrote: The youngster and I spent a day last weekend with one of my partners who is a lifetime member of the NRA. We shot a number of different guns, ranging from a vintage six shooter, a .38 magnum, an SKS, and a couple of different Ruger shotguns. My son shot some trap, which he did exceptionally well at. With this in mind, I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a while. However, based on his level of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time. I was thinking about a Remington 870 as a good starter shotgun. Given a choice, I would prefer an over/under 12 gauge, especially for trap shooting, but the 870 is plentiful, and a solid gun that's moderately priced. Anyone have any other suggestions? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
I'll also vote for the Mossburg 500, I've got one too, I was 14 when I got mine though. I got a slug barrel for mine, handy little gun. -Curt Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:25:43 -0400 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed LWB250 wrote: I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a while. However, based on his level of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time. Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are good affordable all-around choices, as are the HR single shots if you don't need to shoot skeet or take multiple shots at waterfowl. I'm slightly biased here, as I was presented with a Mossberg 500 on my 12th birthday, and I think the tang safety on the Mossberg is better than the crossbolt safety on the Remington. Trap guns are single shots, often on over/under frames with a high rib taking the space normally occupied by the top barrel. This is an affordable trap gun, probably the only affordable trap gun: http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/toppertrap.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
If he sticks to 2 1/2 dram Trap loads flinch won't be much of an issue as long as the gun isn't real light, especially in an over/under because it won't be real light... A 20ga with 3 dram loads will kick just as much or more than a 12ga with 3 dram loads because the gun will tend to weigh less... -Curt Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:24:47 -0400 From: Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 08:17 AM 8/17/2008, Dan wrote: My son shot some trap, which he did exceptionally well at. With this in mind, I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a while. However, based on his level of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time. I was thinking about a Remington 870 as a good starter shotgun. Given a choice, I would prefer an over/under 12 gauge, especially for trap shooting, but the 870 is plentiful, and a solid gun that's moderately priced. I'd hesitate to buy a shotgun for someone else. The balance, the way it comes up, the way it swings - those are going to be hard to predict for each shooter. My $.02. Maybe you could find a dealer who would sell you a used one of what feels best with the agreement your son can trade it for another on the rack of the same value within a week or two. Don't mean to rain on your parade. I think you are right in looking for a 12 ga - they do everything better than the little ones, IMHO. From what I have seen the biggest problem for new shooters is recoil. People tend to overdo it, get sore and start flinching. I have found 12 ga over/unders to be punishing when fired for very long. If it doesn't violate your aesthetics I would suggest a gas operated autoloader like the Remington 1100, or whatever they call them nowadays, to start with. Trap guns with the long barrels do make good waterfowl guns. Kind of slow on upland game. He needs a skeet gun too. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Grace Slick originally wanted to name her daughter god but settled for China. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
If you are looking for a good auto loader than how about a Remington 1187. I used a customized version of the 1187 when I worked armed security the nuke plant. Smooth action and the kick wasn't to bad. -Original Message- From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 8:00 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions Thanks for the suggestions, Mitch. One thing I failed to mention was that given the choice, I would prefer not to have a pump action shotgun, if possible. I realize the 870 is pump action, but I was using it as an example of a popular, inexpensive and readily available gun. Any suggestions for a non-pump action shotgun? Dan --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 8:25 AM LWB250 wrote: I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a while. However, based on his level of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time. Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are good affordable all-around choices, as are the HR single shots if you don't need to shoot skeet or take multiple shots at waterfowl. I'm slightly biased here, as I was presented with a Mossberg 500 on my 12th birthday, and I think the tang safety on the Mossberg is better than the crossbolt safety on the Remington. Trap guns are single shots, often on over/under frames with a high rib taking the space normally occupied by the top barrel. This is an affordable trap gun, probably the only affordable trap gun: http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/toppertrap.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
LWB250 wrote: I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a while. However, based on his level of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time. Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are good affordable all-around choices, as are the HR single shots if you don't need to shoot skeet or take multiple shots at waterfowl. I'm slightly biased here, as I was presented with a Mossberg 500 on my 12th birthday, and I think the tang safety on the Mossberg is better than the crossbolt safety on the Remington. Trap guns are single shots, often on over/under frames with a high rib taking the space normally occupied by the top barrel. This is an affordable trap gun, probably the only affordable trap gun: http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/toppertrap.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
Thanks for the suggestions, Mitch. One thing I failed to mention was that given the choice, I would prefer not to have a pump action shotgun, if possible. I realize the 870 is pump action, but I was using it as an example of a popular, inexpensive and readily available gun. Any suggestions for a non-pump action shotgun? Dan --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 8:25 AM LWB250 wrote: I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a while. However, based on his level of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time. Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are good affordable all-around choices, as are the HR single shots if you don't need to shoot skeet or take multiple shots at waterfowl. I'm slightly biased here, as I was presented with a Mossberg 500 on my 12th birthday, and I think the tang safety on the Mossberg is better than the crossbolt safety on the Remington. Trap guns are single shots, often on over/under frames with a high rib taking the space normally occupied by the top barrel. This is an affordable trap gun, probably the only affordable trap gun: http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/toppertrap.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
LWB250 wrote: Any suggestions for a non-pump action shotgun? Well, unless there are affordable high quality imported doubles from Italy, Spain or Russia (I don't know what your idea of affordable is, some of the Russian stuff is in the $500-1000 range now), I'd go with that HR single shot. http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/toppertrap.asp It's made in Massachusetts, although they are moving production to a Remington factory in New York. It's high quality, with real Walnut stocks like Mossberg and Remington used 50-60 years ago on their budget guns, and can take a variety of barrels, including rifled slug barrels if your son should choose to get into venison harvesting. http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
What about a Citori or Stoeger? Are they decent? He'll want something that he can hunt with as well as shoot trap (for fun, not competition.) Dan --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 9:14 AM LWB250 wrote: Any suggestions for a non-pump action shotgun? Well, unless there are affordable high quality imported doubles from Italy, Spain or Russia (I don't know what your idea of affordable is, some of the Russian stuff is in the $500-1000 range now), I'd go with that HR single shot. http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/toppertrap.asp It's made in Massachusetts, although they are moving production to a Remington factory in New York. It's high quality, with real Walnut stocks like Mossberg and Remington used 50-60 years ago on their budget guns, and can take a variety of barrels, including rifled slug barrels if your son should choose to get into venison harvesting. http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
LWB250 wrote: What about a Citori or Stoeger? Are they decent? We've gotten out of my area of personal experience, but Browning Citori models have a good reputation, and I don't think Stoeger imports junk. The Trap and Skeet ranges would be fine places to find shotgun experts who just love being asked for their opinions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
My FIL passed along a Browning Citori that he bought many years ago to shoot clays with, he said it was one of the best all-around guns there was. I think it is worth a fair amount now. --R Mitch Haley wrote: LWB250 wrote: What about a Citori or Stoeger? Are they decent? We've gotten out of my area of personal experience, but Browning Citori models have a good reputation, and I don't think Stoeger imports junk. The Trap and Skeet ranges would be fine places to find shotgun experts who just love being asked for their opinions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
If he was into enough to show some long term commitment I would probably buy a Ruger Red Label, as they can be had for decent $$ and hold their value, too. Dan --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 10:04 AM My FIL passed along a Browning Citori that he bought many years ago to shoot clays with, he said it was one of the best all-around guns there was. I think it is worth a fair amount now. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, I'm particularly fond of older side-by-sides. The serious boys at the range tend to sneer at them, but if you find one that fits and shoots well you could do worse. I took a couple of mine to the range one day. I had fun, but couldn't hit for beans. Part of the problem is that they 'point' wrong for me, which'll probably be sort of true of anything without a custom stock. My favorite is a ratty old no-name that's heavy and for which I did some stock repair, the new chunk of wood I put in fits and looks better than what was there. Very time-consuming that was, and I just can't hit anything with it. It ends up pointing the wrong way when I throw it up most naturally. But I like it, I like side-by-sides for some reason. I like older Mercedes, too. But yes, go talk to the coots at the range. Bet you can't shut them up once you get 'em started! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you find one that fits and shoots well you could do worse. That's my gun-buying philosophy in a nutshell, and has led to an interestingly eclectic collection. I have shot clays most successfully with a Remington Sportsman '48, a recoil-operated three-shot semiautomatic 12-gauge. Very pleasant to hold, light recoil, well-balanced. Cost me $120 at a pawnshop, $60 for a new recoil spring, and half a day's pleasant labor (mostly derusting the trigger group). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
At 08:17 AM 8/17/2008, Dan wrote: My son shot some trap, which he did exceptionally well at. With this in mind, I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a while. However, based on his level of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time. I was thinking about a Remington 870 as a good starter shotgun. Given a choice, I would prefer an over/under 12 gauge, especially for trap shooting, but the 870 is plentiful, and a solid gun that's moderately priced. I'd hesitate to buy a shotgun for someone else. The balance, the way it comes up, the way it swings - those are going to be hard to predict for each shooter. My $.02. Maybe you could find a dealer who would sell you a used one of what feels best with the agreement your son can trade it for another on the rack of the same value within a week or two. Don't mean to rain on your parade. I think you are right in looking for a 12 ga - they do everything better than the little ones, IMHO. From what I have seen the biggest problem for new shooters is recoil. People tend to overdo it, get sore and start flinching. I have found 12 ga over/unders to be punishing when fired for very long. If it doesn't violate your aesthetics I would suggest a gas operated autoloader like the Remington 1100, or whatever they call them nowadays, to start with. Trap guns with the long barrels do make good waterfowl guns. Kind of slow on upland game. He needs a skeet gun too. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Grace Slick originally wanted to name her daughter god but settled for China. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotgun Suggestions
I find my Winchester Model 50 recoil operated semi-auto in 20ga. ti be a delightful shotgun. I shoot duck, pheasant, quail, etc. with it, as well as some trap. That having been said, I used to be pretty good at trap with the Harrison 410 single-shot. On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:17 AM 8/17/2008, Dan wrote: My son shot some trap, which he did exceptionally well at. With this in mind, I was giving some thought to finding him a decent entry-level 12 gauge shotgun to continue trap shooting (and possibly hunting) with. Mind you, I don't want to invest a large amount of money here, as he may decide it's not his thing after a while. However, based on his level of interest and that we have a number of friends and acquaintances that shoot for both hunting and recreation, I suspect it's something he'll continue to do for a long time. I was thinking about a Remington 870 as a good starter shotgun. Given a choice, I would prefer an over/under 12 gauge, especially for trap shooting, but the 870 is plentiful, and a solid gun that's moderately priced. I'd hesitate to buy a shotgun for someone else. The balance, the way it comes up, the way it swings - those are going to be hard to predict for each shooter. My $.02. Maybe you could find a dealer who would sell you a used one of what feels best with the agreement your son can trade it for another on the rack of the same value within a week or two. Don't mean to rain on your parade. I think you are right in looking for a 12 ga - they do everything better than the little ones, IMHO. From what I have seen the biggest problem for new shooters is recoil. People tend to overdo it, get sore and start flinching. I have found 12 ga over/unders to be punishing when fired for very long. If it doesn't violate your aesthetics I would suggest a gas operated autoloader like the Remington 1100, or whatever they call them nowadays, to start with. Trap guns with the long barrels do make good waterfowl guns. Kind of slow on upland game. He needs a skeet gun too. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Grace Slick originally wanted to name her daughter god but settled for China. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
