Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
> 100Gb exists, I presume it's trunk lines between major providers like > Telcos... > We support 40Gb/s clients at work. I've been out of that industry 3 years now. Things sure do move along! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
We have 40Gb backbones throughout our data center. Most of the older hardware doesn’t support that fat of a connection, but more and more stuff is beginning to. We’re getting ready to deploy some Cisco Hyperflex devices next month that are all flash storage, and everything between them and our core is 40 Gb fiber. We’re going to have some screaming fast VMs. -D > On Oct 19, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > 100Gb exists, I presume it's trunk lines between major providers like > Telcos... > We support 40Gb/s clients at work. That's 4000MB/s to the client. To support > that data rate the storage STARTS at $80,000. For $2.5 million we have a > system that will do 192,000MB/s. You get 2.5PB of storage at that price point. > If you don't mind the system being a little slower (25,600MB/s) you can get a > lot more storage, 10.6PB. > That's raw storage of course, data protection eats up some of the usable > space. > > -Curt > >On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 08:56:21 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Ciena sells a lot of spendy 40Gb optical link gear, it's particularly in > demand > for undersea cable work, where changing the physical plant is basically > NOT an option. I'm sure 100Gb is under active development. Terrestrially, > you just run more 10Gb lines in parallel and use link aggregation. > >> That's about 100MB (megabytes) per second. It seems unlikely that the ISP >> could actually support that for thousands of subscribers. > > To whom are 'you' talking that fast? The ISP is just the man in the middle, > they count on the net aggregate being something they can handle, that the > two endpoints, collectively, don't/can't saturate the fabric too much of the > time. > Of course, staying ahead of that curve IS their business. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
100Gb exists, I presume it's trunk lines between major providers like Telcos... We support 40Gb/s clients at work. That's 4000MB/s to the client. To support that data rate the storage STARTS at $80,000. For $2.5 million we have a system that will do 192,000MB/s. You get 2.5PB of storage at that price point. If you don't mind the system being a little slower (25,600MB/s) you can get a lot more storage, 10.6PB. That's raw storage of course, data protection eats up some of the usable space. -Curt On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 08:56:21 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Ciena sells a lot of spendy 40Gb optical link gear, it's particularly in demand for undersea cable work, where changing the physical plant is basically NOT an option. I'm sure 100Gb is under active development. Terrestrially, you just run more 10Gb lines in parallel and use link aggregation. > That's about 100MB (megabytes) per second. It seems unlikely that the ISP > could actually support that for thousands of subscribers. To whom are 'you' talking that fast? The ISP is just the man in the middle, they count on the net aggregate being something they can handle, that the two endpoints, collectively, don't/can't saturate the fabric too much of the time. Of course, staying ahead of that curve IS their business. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
Ciena sells a lot of spendy 40Gb optical link gear, it's particularly in demand for undersea cable work, where changing the physical plant is basically NOT an option. I'm sure 100Gb is under active development. Terrestrially, you just run more 10Gb lines in parallel and use link aggregation. > That's about 100MB (megabytes) per second. It seems unlikely that the ISP > could actually support that for thousands of subscribers. To whom are 'you' talking that fast? The ISP is just the man in the middle, they count on the net aggregate being something they can handle, that the two endpoints, collectively, don't/can't saturate the fabric too much of the time. Of course, staying ahead of that curve IS their business. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
Nice place. Equidistant from Fargo and Grand Forks if my memory serves me correctly. -D > On Oct 19, 2021, at 8:41 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > > #1 boy is looking at Cooperstown ND which has fiber. His buddy works for M$ > and speed came back at 186,443 mbps > > clay > > I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > > > >> On Oct 19, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> If the 'last mile' actually made it to your house, and the terms are >> reasonable, I'd say jump on it. I've worked for several companies >> that were focused on making equipment for that, starting in 1996. >> >> Fiber here is still about a mile away. >> >> -- Jim > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
#1 boy is looking at Cooperstown ND which has fiber. His buddy works for M$ and speed came back at 186,443 mbps clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On Oct 19, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > If the 'last mile' actually made it to your house, and the terms are > reasonable, I'd say jump on it. I've worked for several companies > that were focused on making equipment for that, starting in 1996. > > Fiber here is still about a mile away. > > -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
I have a 400 Mbps connection at the Flagstaff house that averages (I run a speed test app on a regular basis with logging) around 425 Mbps. Doesn’t seem to matter what time of day or day of the week, it’s pretty consistent. Figure that 40 Gb and more is pretty common in data frames and can go some distance, so if they have a big enough pipe and the infrastructure to support 1000 Mb that’s not unrealistic. The fiber isn’t going to cost that much more, the cost will be in the switching and routing. -D > On Oct 19, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I wonder about these 1Gb connections. That's about 100MB (megabytes) per > second. It seems unlikely that the ISP could actually support that for > thousands of subscribers. I'd guess they count on you only using a small > portion of the bandwidth. > "It's 1Gb to the subscriber switch, 100Mb to the next switch upstream and > 10Mb out to the internet. She's a beaut Clark!" > -Curt > >On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 07:46:25 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> The provider is promising 1,000Mbps fibre to the house for $39.99/mo. > > We're paying $60/mo for what amounts to 5 Mbps via WiFi MIMO, > a small dish antenna facing a tower several miles away. Line of sight. > It works pretty well, but it's only as fast as it is. (Clearly it's metered.) > The speed is not an inconvenience, _except_ when transferring 4GB > database backup files to/from work. That can take hours. > > If fiber were available here, I'd be all over that like a bum on... > >> Also included is a phone line with unlimited calling to 60+ countries. > > Probably not a phone line. VOIP over the fiber internet connection. > Basically an interface to the packet switched network, the telco, > that you can use. Is there a POTS interface on the fiber box? > That's one of the products we made at World Wide Packets. > > You plugged your analog home phone into the POTS jack, the transceiver > in the box converted it to VOIP, the IP fiber delivered it to the telco > interface, > wherever in the world it was located, or needed to be located, and things > proceeded from there. > > Maybe it's now all only an app on a smartphone now. Same thing, minus > the POTS jack and the old phone. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
I wonder about these 1Gb connections. That's about 100MB (megabytes) per second. It seems unlikely that the ISP could actually support that for thousands of subscribers. I'd guess they count on you only using a small portion of the bandwidth. "It's 1Gb to the subscriber switch, 100Mb to the next switch upstream and 10Mb out to the internet. She's a beaut Clark!" -Curt On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 07:46:25 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > The provider is promising 1,000Mbps fibre to the house for $39.99/mo. We're paying $60/mo for what amounts to 5 Mbps via WiFi MIMO, a small dish antenna facing a tower several miles away. Line of sight. It works pretty well, but it's only as fast as it is. (Clearly it's metered.) The speed is not an inconvenience, _except_ when transferring 4GB database backup files to/from work. That can take hours. If fiber were available here, I'd be all over that like a bum on... > Also included is a phone line with unlimited calling to 60+ countries. Probably not a phone line. VOIP over the fiber internet connection. Basically an interface to the packet switched network, the telco, that you can use. Is there a POTS interface on the fiber box? That's one of the products we made at World Wide Packets. You plugged your analog home phone into the POTS jack, the transceiver in the box converted it to VOIP, the IP fiber delivered it to the telco interface, wherever in the world it was located, or needed to be located, and things proceeded from there. Maybe it's now all only an app on a smartphone now. Same thing, minus the POTS jack and the old phone. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
> The provider is promising 1,000Mbps fibre to the house for $39.99/mo. We're paying $60/mo for what amounts to 5 Mbps via WiFi MIMO, a small dish antenna facing a tower several miles away. Line of sight. It works pretty well, but it's only as fast as it is. (Clearly it's metered.) The speed is not an inconvenience, _except_ when transferring 4GB database backup files to/from work. That can take hours. If fiber were available here, I'd be all over that like a bum on... > Also included is a phone line with unlimited calling to 60+ countries. Probably not a phone line. VOIP over the fiber internet connection. Basically an interface to the packet switched network, the telco, that you can use. Is there a POTS interface on the fiber box? That's one of the products we made at World Wide Packets. You plugged your analog home phone into the POTS jack, the transceiver in the box converted it to VOIP, the IP fiber delivered it to the telco interface, wherever in the world it was located, or needed to be located, and things proceeded from there. Maybe it's now all only an app on a smartphone now. Same thing, minus the POTS jack and the old phone. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
Thanks everyone for the responses. The provider is promising 1,000Mbps fibre to the house for $39.99/mo. Also included is a phone line with unlimited calling to 60+ countries. Seems like a good deal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
Starlink is for rural people who don't have local internet service. Mitch. On 2021-10-19 12:49, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Read the reviews. For the most part it sounds to be decent, but there are issues if you don’t have a clear horizon to horizon view for the dish. The slightest interruption in the “visibility” of the dish of the sky will interrupt service. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
If you're in a rural area with no cable/fiber options, it might be worth it. I think it's still to be proven how well Starlink performs once it's fully subscribed, but it should almost certainly be better if your alternative is "satellite" internet such as Dish/DirecTV. It's $240/yr more (plus 500 more the first year) so another question is how much do you need fast internet? 100Mb service is (should be) plenty good for most household use unless you have several users doing a lot of downloading or streaming, asuming you are actually getting that speed. I just ran a speedtest and I'm getting ~120 Mb down/10Mb up on my desktop computer with Comcast Xfinity. Allan On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote: > Has anyone signed up for have thoughts on signing up for Starlink? > I currently pay $80 a month for 100 megabyte service. > Elon wants $500 for the dish and then $99 a month for service that is > supposed to be 5 times faster and more reliable. > > Michael E. Esh > > > > On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > Likewise, especially if you’re on DSL. That’s what we used to jokingly > > refer to as “a fractional T1”. > > > > -D > > > >> On Oct 19, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >> > >> If the 'last mile' actually made it to your house, and the terms are > >> reasonable, I'd say jump on it. I've worked for several companies > >> that were focused on making equipment for that, starting in 1996. > >> > >> Fiber here is still about a mile away. > >> > >> -- Jim > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
Read the reviews. For the most part it sounds to be decent, but there are issues if you don’t have a clear horizon to horizon view for the dish. The slightest interruption in the “visibility” of the dish of the sky will interrupt service. I’ve heard from a couple people outside of Flagstaff that have it and they’re pleased, but then again, their choices were limited to satellite internet. That and they have a very clear, unobstructed view of the sky from both horizons. Ask Kaleb how well satellite Internet works… -D > On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes > wrote: > > Has anyone signed up for have thoughts on signing up for Starlink? > I currently pay $80 a month for 100 megabyte service. > Elon wants $500 for the dish and then $99 a month for service that is > supposed to be 5 times faster and more reliable. > > Michael E. Esh > > >> On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Likewise, especially if you’re on DSL. That’s what we used to jokingly >> refer to as “a fractional T1”. >> >> -D >> >>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> If the 'last mile' actually made it to your house, and the terms are >>> reasonable, I'd say jump on it. I've worked for several companies >>> that were focused on making equipment for that, starting in 1996. >>> >>> Fiber here is still about a mile away. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
I have cable internet. Better than DSL. Fiber should be better still. Allan On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, at 10:57 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote: > Good day, > > Sorry for the OT question, but I figured someone here might have experience > w Sonic fibre internet service. They're laying fibre all throughout Oakland > and pushing their service very hard. I currently have AT&T DSL and it > hasn't been the best. Replaced the modem but it is still not the best > bandwidth to begin with. > > Their online forum responses seem to be prompt, helpful, and informative. > > Just wondered if anyone here can echo or dispute the above WRT to > fibre-to-the-house service. > > D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
Has anyone signed up for have thoughts on signing up for Starlink? I currently pay $80 a month for 100 megabyte service. Elon wants $500 for the dish and then $99 a month for service that is supposed to be 5 times faster and more reliable. Michael E. Esh > On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Likewise, especially if you’re on DSL. That’s what we used to jokingly refer > to as “a fractional T1”. > > -D > >> On Oct 19, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> If the 'last mile' actually made it to your house, and the terms are >> reasonable, I'd say jump on it. I've worked for several companies >> that were focused on making equipment for that, starting in 1996. >> >> Fiber here is still about a mile away. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
Likewise, especially if you’re on DSL. That’s what we used to jokingly refer to as “a fractional T1”. -D > On Oct 19, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > If the 'last mile' actually made it to your house, and the terms are > reasonable, I'd say jump on it. I've worked for several companies > that were focused on making equipment for that, starting in 1996. > > Fiber here is still about a mile away. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
If the 'last mile' actually made it to your house, and the terms are reasonable, I'd say jump on it. I've worked for several companies that were focused on making equipment for that, starting in 1996. Fiber here is still about a mile away. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet
We have Verizon FiOS. Is that the same thing? On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 10:59 AM David Bruckmann via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Good day, > > Sorry for the OT question, but I figured someone here might have experience > w Sonic fibre internet service. They're laying fibre all throughout Oakland > and pushing their service very hard. I currently have AT&T DSL and it > hasn't been the best. Replaced the modem but it is still not the best > bandwidth to begin with. > > Their online forum responses seem to be prompt, helpful, and informative. > > Just wondered if anyone here can echo or dispute the above WRT to > fibre-to-the-house service. > > D. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
