Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
I'm almost militantly moderate and don't really see anything all that appealing in either candidate. I voted in the Republican primary for Ron Paul... That said I'm going to vote Obama mostly to give the finger to the racists. -Curt Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:47:11 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original It's encouraging to see you have done some homework instead of doing what many are doing - signing on to the obama bandwagon because he says Change in a interesting way. I hope others will take the time to see how he has voted on various issues and what he has said on his books. He has told us all we need to know that this man is not good for America. Also, there are several types of people who will vote this year - those who will vote for obama *because* be is black and those who will not vote for him for the same reason. Both of these are racist although the 1st would not admit it. Then there are those who vote party lines regardless of who is running and then there's the smallest group of all - those who investigate and do their homework to find out who will do those things good for the economy and protect us and maintain a strong America. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
At 02:35 PM 6/30/2008, Curt wrote: I'm almost militantly moderate and don't really see anything all that appealing in either candidate. I voted in the Republican primary for Ron Paul... That said I'm going to vote Obama mostly to give the finger to the racists. But then you would not be deciding the contest based on your judgment as to the best qualified candidate. Race would be the deciding factor, not merit - wouldn't that make you a racist? One could make a case that most of the racism so far has come from the black voters. Obama regularly scored 90-95% of the black vote in the primaries. Was this because his platform was so different from Clinton's? I am hopeful that Rice will be McCain's running mate. From what I have read her biography is just as jazzy as Obama's. And that would put a black on each ticket, with no place for the racists to hide. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The brain runs on fun. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
I don't like Condi at all but when you put it that way I'd like to see her as the running mate also... -Curt --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 9:02 PM At 02:35 PM 6/30/2008, Curt wrote: I'm almost militantly moderate and don't really see anything all that appealing in either candidate. I voted in the Republican primary for Ron Paul... That said I'm going to vote Obama mostly to give the finger to the racists. But then you would not be deciding the contest based on your judgment as to the best qualified candidate. Race would be the deciding factor, not merit - wouldn't that make you a racist? One could make a case that most of the racism so far has come from the black voters. Obama regularly scored 90-95% of the black vote in the primaries. Was this because his platform was so different from Clinton's? I am hopeful that Rice will be McCain's running mate. From what I have read her biography is just as jazzy as Obama's. And that would put a black on each ticket, with no place for the racists to hide. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The brain runs on fun. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
racism is ok as long as the darker fella is the racist. where you been for the last 40 years? On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:35 PM 6/30/2008, Curt wrote: I'm almost militantly moderate and don't really see anything all that appealing in either candidate. I voted in the Republican primary for Ron Paul... That said I'm going to vote Obama mostly to give the finger to the racists. But then you would not be deciding the contest based on your judgment as to the best qualified candidate. Race would be the deciding factor, not merit - wouldn't that make you a racist? One could make a case that most of the racism so far has come from the black voters. Obama regularly scored 90-95% of the black vote in the primaries. Was this because his platform was so different from Clinton's? I am hopeful that Rice will be McCain's running mate. From what I have read her biography is just as jazzy as Obama's. And that would put a black on each ticket, with no place for the racists to hide. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The brain runs on fun. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
Recently there was an interview with a black man and after asking for the reasons he was voting for obama he could only offer 1 reason - because he promises to end the war - then he said he would vote for obama because he was black like himself. The interviewer said, so, if a white person was voting for the white candidate because he was white would you say he was a racist? Absolutly was the answer - without any clue he had just described himself. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes At 02:35 PM 6/30/2008, Curt wrote: I'm almost militantly moderate and don't really see anything all that appealing in either candidate. I voted in the Republican primary for Ron Paul... That said I'm going to vote Obama mostly to give the finger to the racists. But then you would not be deciding the contest based on your judgment as to the best qualified candidate. Race would be the deciding factor, not merit - wouldn't that make you a racist? One could make a case that most of the racism so far has come from the black voters. Obama regularly scored 90-95% of the black vote in the primaries. Was this because his platform was so different from Clinton's? I am hopeful that Rice will be McCain's running mate. From what I have read her biography is just as jazzy as Obama's. And that would put a black on each ticket, with no place for the racists to hide. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The brain runs on fun. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
of course he knows he described himself. it's what is called the double standard ok, mary goes to lou grant asking for a raise and is denied. she has no idea why and begins to question whether there was some element of her work that is lacking. lou assures her that it isn't that. mary is stumped. mr. grant, why can't i get a raise because you are a woman. mary On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently there was an interview with a black man and after asking for the reasons he was voting for obama he could only offer 1 reason - because he promises to end the war - then he said he would vote for obama because he was black like himself. The interviewer said, so, if a white person was voting for the white candidate because he was white would you say he was a racist? Absolutly was the answer - without any clue he had just described himself. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes At 02:35 PM 6/30/2008, Curt wrote: I'm almost militantly moderate and don't really see anything all that appealing in either candidate. I voted in the Republican primary for Ron Paul... That said I'm going to vote Obama mostly to give the finger to the racists. But then you would not be deciding the contest based on your judgment as to the best qualified candidate. Race would be the deciding factor, not merit - wouldn't that make you a racist? One could make a case that most of the racism so far has come from the black voters. Obama regularly scored 90-95% of the black vote in the primaries. Was this because his platform was so different from Clinton's? I am hopeful that Rice will be McCain's running mate. From what I have read her biography is just as jazzy as Obama's. And that would put a black on each ticket, with no place for the racists to hide. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The brain runs on fun. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
black people are MUCH bigger raciest than white people could ever dream of being. Sorry, but its the truth LarryT wrote: Recently there was an interview with a black man and after asking for the reasons he was voting for obama he could only offer 1 reason - because he promises to end the war - then he said he would vote for obama because he was black like himself. The interviewer said, so, if a white person was voting for the white candidate because he was white would you say he was a racist? Absolutly was the answer - without any clue he had just described himself. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes At 02:35 PM 6/30/2008, Curt wrote: I'm almost militantly moderate and don't really see anything all that appealing in either candidate. I voted in the Republican primary for Ron Paul... That said I'm going to vote Obama mostly to give the finger to the racists. But then you would not be deciding the contest based on your judgment as to the best qualified candidate. Race would be the deciding factor, not merit - wouldn't that make you a racist? One could make a case that most of the racism so far has come from the black voters. Obama regularly scored 90-95% of the black vote in the primaries. Was this because his platform was so different from Clinton's? I am hopeful that Rice will be McCain's running mate. From what I have read her biography is just as jazzy as Obama's. And that would put a black on each ticket, with no place for the racists to hide. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The brain runs on fun. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
It's encouraging to see you have done some homework instead of doing what many are doing - signing on to the obama bandwagon because he says Change in a interesting way. I hope others will take the time to see how he has voted on various issues and what he has said on his books. He has told us all we need to know that this man is not good for America. Also, there are several types of people who will vote this year - those who will vote for obama *because* be is black and those who will not vote for him for the same reason. Both of these are racist although the 1st would not admit it. Then there are those who vote party lines regardless of who is running and then there's the smallest group of all - those who investigate and do their homework to find out who will do those things good for the economy and protect us and maintain a strong America. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes Obama says on page 215 of his _Audacity of Hope_ book I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers' lobby. I guess this is the standard urban liberal view. He appears to have voted for restrictive gun laws at every opportunity. Obama's extreme urbanity troubles me. I have read both his books and I can't remember any instances of him doing anything practical or enjoying the outdoors. No gardening, hiking, hunting, fishing, cycling, building, mowing, boating.or biking. No interest in machinery. He plays basketball, that most urban of sports. I suspect he understands less about others than he thinks he does. His stereotypes can be awkward. For example, here is an excerpt from his Values chapter in _Audacity of Hope_, page 57: ..our democracy might work a bit better if we recognized that all of us possess values worthy of respect: if liberals at least acknowledged that the recreational hunter feels the same way about his gun as they feel about their library books, and if conservatives recognized that most women feel as protective of their right to reproductive freedom as evangelicals do of their right to worship. Gaak. In real life there are many hunters who use libraries and liberals (or at least Democrats) that don't but do hunt. These are not contrasting groups/values. IMHO he is just showing his ignorance of people unlike himself. He doesn't say exactly what reproductive freedom for women amounts to although I gather free abortion is a big part of it. To him conservatives always are hung up on the most narrow sort of religion. Obama champions an activist government. I am sure he will want glorious new programs for the urban poor. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV He was the kind that can't keep from being bad without being good. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Obama - guns and stereotypes
i am convinced now that most of america is essentially disenfranchised in that our leaders have no clue we exist and would be appalled if they did. guys like obama have no clue about rural america, particularly the rural south. these people just don't count for anything in new york city or washington, DC. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama says on page 215 of his _Audacity of Hope_ book I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers' lobby. I guess this is the standard urban liberal view. He appears to have voted for restrictive gun laws at every opportunity. Obama's extreme urbanity troubles me. I have read both his books and I can't remember any instances of him doing anything practical or enjoying the outdoors. No gardening, hiking, hunting, fishing, cycling, building, mowing, boating.or biking. No interest in machinery. He plays basketball, that most urban of sports. I suspect he understands less about others than he thinks he does. His stereotypes can be awkward. For example, here is an excerpt from his Values chapter in _Audacity of Hope_, page 57: ..our democracy might work a bit better if we recognized that all of us possess values worthy of respect: if liberals at least acknowledged that the recreational hunter feels the same way about his gun as they feel about their library books, and if conservatives recognized that most women feel as protective of their right to reproductive freedom as evangelicals do of their right to worship. Gaak. In real life there are many hunters who use libraries and liberals (or at least Democrats) that don't but do hunt. These are not contrasting groups/values. IMHO he is just showing his ignorance of people unlike himself. He doesn't say exactly what reproductive freedom for women amounts to although I gather free abortion is a big part of it. To him conservatives always are hung up on the most narrow sort of religion. Obama champions an activist government. I am sure he will want glorious new programs for the urban poor. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV He was the kind that can't keep from being bad without being good. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
