Re: [MBZ] RUF
Oh I wasn't talking about the engine bits. I was thinking more that it might be styling bits that would make the car look just a bit different. I'm not really into the go fast stuff as much as I used to be, though a nice handling package that would reduce the roll probably wouldn't go amiss. I'll search for the ones you mentioned and see what I find. Manfred Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 01:41:20 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUF I'm not sure, as the AMG catalog I have was before AMG was absorbed by Mercedes. As for the the body kits, there may be a few couple of places out there that have copied the old AMG bits. I think Ronial make or made a rim very similar to what was offered during the period by AMG. As for engine bits, I have no idea, but there are probably much better options today for such projects anyway. For what your dollar would buy you in NOS AMG parts, or used bits, you could probably do an engine swap and end up with just as a much, or more power, and replacement parts wouldn't be such a hassle either. There is a guy on YouTube who has a W123 wagon, with a 560 engine in it. Nicely done from the looks of it. I think I have the link somewhere if interested in me posting it? If you can get your hands on an older catalog by a company called (from memory, GW), they offered all kind of kits for a variety of cars in Germany. Not sure if any company still offers bits for the W123, but at least an old catalog would give you some of the names of companies that once did, so you could then take your search to eBay and such places. Original (pre mercedes) AMG parts are pretty much made of unobtainium now, and priced accordingly. But things like old 560 engines are now plentiful, and cheap, so these projects can happen, if you have the time to invest yourself. If not, paying someone to do them can still run kind of high, even if the parts can be had cheap. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
Manfred, I just dug out the old catalog. I can't see a print date on it, but it contains a few pages for the W201, so that would probably put it about '84 or so? The W123 section consists of 4 pages, with pictures of sedan, coupe, and wagon. They mention an improved brake package, and improved handling, as well as shock and spring sets. I was trying to find some specs on them, in hope you could match them up with some other current manufacture. The rims look very much like a rim Ronial offered, but I'm 90% the AMG rims were stamped as AMG rims on the backside. Body kits consist of front dam, sill extensions (quite subtle really, and a rear valence. They also offer their own differential, as well as their own modified 5 speed gearbox. Various other interior and trim items. They have a couple of nice wooden boxes that fit into the space between the front seats. I know someone was making one for themselves on the list a couple of years back. I'm thinking about making one for the W124. To be honest, you may have to wait a bit for me to get that scanner hooked up. If you like, you can drop me a P.O. Box address off list, and I'd be happy to photocopy what pictures I have here and mail them off to you. Not a lot of pictures, but a few to give you an idea of what they did with the old W123. I'll have to dig a bit deeper for for those old GW catalogs. Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 20:03, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh I wasn't talking about the engine bits. I was thinking more that it might be styling bits that would make the car look just a bit different. I'm not really into the go fast stuff as much as I used to be, though a nice handling package that would reduce the roll probably wouldn't go amiss. I'll search for the ones you mentioned and see what I find. Manfred Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 01:41:20 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUF I'm not sure, as the AMG catalog I have was before AMG was absorbed by Mercedes. As for the the body kits, there may be a few couple of places out there that have copied the old AMG bits. I think Ronial make or made a rim very similar to what was offered during the period by AMG. As for engine bits, I have no idea, but there are probably much better options today for such projects anyway. For what your dollar would buy you in NOS AMG parts, or used bits, you could probably do an engine swap and end up with just as a much, or more power, and replacement parts wouldn't be such a hassle either. There is a guy on YouTube who has a W123 wagon, with a 560 engine in it. Nicely done from the looks of it. I think I have the link somewhere if interested in me posting it? If you can get your hands on an older catalog by a company called (from memory, GW), they offered all kind of kits for a variety of cars in Germany. Not sure if any company still offers bits for the W123, but at least an old catalog would give you some of the names of companies that once did, so you could then take your search to eBay and such places. Original (pre mercedes) AMG parts are pretty much made of unobtainium now, and priced accordingly. But things like old 560 engines are now plentiful, and cheap, so these projects can happen, if you have the time to invest yourself. If not, paying someone to do them can still run kind of high, even if the parts can be had cheap. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
Just had an idea. If you or someone could walk me quickly through how to attach photos, I could try to take a few pics of the catalog, and attach them here. Can I attach photos here, send, and then wait for admin approval before they're posted ? The pics I think are on average about 1.2 mb, but don't ask me to reduce them in size, I don't have a clue about such things. Learning to make the came go click and upload them was challenge enough! hee hee Ed 300E On 17 December 2010 20:56, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Ed when you get a chance to scan those pictures of the 123 wagon please send me a set. I would love to see them. Though I guess if they look real cool I will regret it. Manfred Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:46:38 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUF [SNIP] (Benz content)..I have an old original AMG catalog. Lots of neat stuff back when AMG was a stand alone tuner. They even had kits for the W123 wagon!! I also liked the look of it. If I ever get a scanner, I'll post some pics from it. Funny to look back now, at what seemed like King Kong power back then!! hee hee Still, the Hammer was a hot piece of kit for it's day! 186 mph in a 4 door W124, unheard of. Ed 911SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
Ed wrote: If you or someone could walk me quickly through how to attach photos... I see you are using gmail. If you are using the browser gmail - you will see a selection to 'Attach a file' and once you clik that, you browse to select the picture you want us to see. Try one picture, then we can see how 1.2mb comes through to the list. If you are using an email client, there should be some way to attach a file. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
Thanks Mao, I'll give it a shot within the next few mins. Let me know how it comes through please. Ed 300E On 19 December 2010 20:59, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Ed wrote: If you or someone could walk me quickly through how to attach photos... I see you are using gmail. If you are using the browser gmail - you will see a selection to 'Attach a file' and once you clik that, you browse to select the picture you want us to see. Try one picture, then we can see how 1.2mb comes through to the list. If you are using an email client, there should be some way to attach a file. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
I think that 1.2 meg is a bit too large for the list. You could send them to me direct and then I can reduce them and send them on to the list. Though to be honest a scan of the catalog would probably come out better then a picture of it. I think that most email programs have a button to click on that will allow you to attach pictures or files to an email. The exact procedure will be different for every program. Not too much help I know but usually it's just a matter of follow the prompts. Manfred Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:44:20 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUF Just had an idea. If you or someone could walk me quickly through how to attach photos, I could try to take a few pics of the catalog, and attach them here. Can I attach photos here, send, and then wait for admin approval before they're posted ? The pics I think are on average about 1.2 mb, but don't ask me to reduce them in size, I don't have a clue about such things. Learning to make the came go click and upload them was challenge enough! hee hee Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
Sounds like I may be going on an unfulfilled quest. Where would one find pieces like that now a days? Manfred Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:15:27 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUF Will do Manfred. Fellow around here had one, or the body kit and wheels on a 123 wagon years ago. I thought it looked great. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
I'm not sure, as the AMG catalog I have was before AMG was absorbed by Mercedes. As for the the body kits, there may be a few couple of places out there that have copied the old AMG bits. I think Ronial make or made a rim very similar to what was offered during the period by AMG. As for engine bits, I have no idea, but there are probably much better options today for such projects anyway. For what your dollar would buy you in NOS AMG parts, or used bits, you could probably do an engine swap and end up with just as a much, or more power, and replacement parts wouldn't be such a hassle either. There is a guy on YouTube who has a W123 wagon, with a 560 engine in it. Nicely done from the looks of it. I think I have the link somewhere if interested in me posting it? If you can get your hands on an older catalog by a company called (from memory, GW), they offered all kind of kits for a variety of cars in Germany. Not sure if any company still offers bits for the W123, but at least an old catalog would give you some of the names of companies that once did, so you could then take your search to eBay and such places. Original (pre mercedes) AMG parts are pretty much made of unobtainium now, and priced accordingly. But things like old 560 engines are now plentiful, and cheap, so these projects can happen, if you have the time to invest yourself. If not, paying someone to do them can still run kind of high, even if the parts can be had cheap. Ed 300E On 18 December 2010 23:48, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like I may be going on an unfulfilled quest. Where would one find pieces like that now a days? Manfred Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:15:27 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUF Will do Manfred. Fellow around here had one, or the body kit and wheels on a 123 wagon years ago. I thought it looked great. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
Ed when you get a chance to scan those pictures of the 123 wagon please send me a set. I would love to see them. Though I guess if they look real cool I will regret it. Manfred Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:46:38 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUF [SNIP] (Benz content)..I have an old original AMG catalog. Lots of neat stuff back when AMG was a stand alone tuner. They even had kits for the W123 wagon!! I also liked the look of it. If I ever get a scanner, I'll post some pics from it. Funny to look back now, at what seemed like King Kong power back then!! hee hee Still, the Hammer was a hot piece of kit for it's day! 186 mph in a 4 door W124, unheard of. Ed 911SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
Will do Manfred. Fellow around here had one, or the body kit and wheels on a 123 wagon years ago. I thought it looked great. Ed 300E On 17 December 2010 20:56, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: Ed when you get a chance to scan those pictures of the 123 wagon please send me a set. I would love to see them. Though I guess if they look real cool I will regret it. Manfred Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:46:38 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUF [SNIP] (Benz content)..I have an old original AMG catalog. Lots of neat stuff back when AMG was a stand alone tuner. They even had kits for the W123 wagon!! I also liked the look of it. If I ever get a scanner, I'll post some pics from it. Funny to look back now, at what seemed like King Kong power back then!! hee hee Still, the Hammer was a hot piece of kit for it's day! 186 mph in a 4 door W124, unheard of. Ed 911SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
I have several pics of a meet my friend attended a few years back, with Mr. Ruf and also the original Yellowbird in attendance. He has been lucky enough to sample several of Ruf's models, along with a CTR. Not the original Yellowbird, as it was undergoing a full restoration at the time, but a later production model. That old bird had a lot of miles on it, and I would imagine more than a few offs, so it was in need of a bit of freshening. While my friend was out in the CTR, he was asked when he returned if he managed 300 kph. He said no, only 270kph. Stefan then took him out for a quick blast, and I think he said they saw 310 or so. Tha's about what they clocked his RTC at on the autobahn as well, before packing it up and shipping it over. The man really does stand behind is products. I still have the original RUF sales brochure for North America. I also have the press release kit for the CRT2, from when I was editor of our regions Porsche Club mag. A very nice letter from Mr. Ruf too, which I keep meaning to have framed. (Benz content)..I have an old original AMG catalog. Lots of neat stuff back when AMG was a stand alone tuner. They even had kits for the W123 wagon!! I also liked the look of it. If I ever get a scanner, I'll post some pics from it. Funny to look back now, at what seemed like King Kong power back then!! hee hee Still, the Hammer was a hot piece of kit for it's day! 186 mph in a 4 door W124, unheard of. Ed 911SC On 13 December 2010 00:25, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Daydreaming a bit here. One other car that could do it back then, and my all time favourite car, was the RUF CTR. To me, it was everything an early 911 was, just taken to a higher, MUCH higher level. The 959 was brilliant, but I always thought of it as more of an engineering exercise, much as the Bugatti Vayron is today. I was lucky enough to have several correspondences from Mr. Ruf while I was editor of our regional Porsche Club magazine, many years ago. He also introduced me to a gentleman, who is a car enthousast in the truest sense of the word, and a fellow who has become a dear friend over the past 20 years or so. He is also the proud owner of a RUF RTC. He changes rear tires on a regular basis, to which Mr. Ruf says, good, you must be driving it properly. :-) He is also friends with the fellow who owns the only real RUF CTR (first gen Yellowbird) in North America. Featured in Excellence a year or so ago... During PCA's 50th Porsche Parade in Hershey PA in 2005, my friend Dennis Frick, owner of Europa Macchina in Lewisberry PA hosted a dinner get together at his restoration shop (12000sq ft) and the guest of honor was Alois Ruf. Yellowbird was in attendance along with a few other RUF cars. He is a very personable guy, indeed. Another PCA friend, U of I Prof. Bob White of Chicago was there with his Ruf which he has owned for years and drives on a regular basis. Dennis's shop truck, a perfectly restored old MB panel was featured in the STAR a few years back when Frank Barret was editor. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF
...Daydreaming a bit here. One other car that could do it back then, and my all time favourite car, was the RUF CTR. To me, it was everything an early 911 was, just taken to a higher, MUCH higher level. The 959 was brilliant, but I always thought of it as more of an engineering exercise, much as the Bugatti Vayron is today. I was lucky enough to have several correspondences from Mr. Ruf while I was editor of our regional Porsche Club magazine, many years ago. He also introduced me to a gentleman, who is a car enthousast in the truest sense of the word, and a fellow who has become a dear friend over the past 20 years or so. He is also the proud owner of a RUF RTC. He changes rear tires on a regular basis, to which Mr. Ruf says, good, you must be driving it properly. :-) He is also friends with the fellow who owns the only real RUF CTR (first gen Yellowbird) in North America. Featured in Excellence a year or so ago... During PCA's 50th Porsche Parade in Hershey PA in 2005, my friend Dennis Frick, owner of Europa Macchina in Lewisberry PA hosted a dinner get together at his restoration shop (12000sq ft) and the guest of honor was Alois Ruf. Yellowbird was in attendance along with a few other RUF cars. He is a very personable guy, indeed. Another PCA friend, U of I Prof. Bob White of Chicago was there with his Ruf which he has owned for years and drives on a regular basis. Dennis's shop truck, a perfectly restored old MB panel was featured in the STAR a few years back when Frank Barret was editor. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RUF Porsche at the Nurburgring/IFILM
oh yea!! doing what Porsche's were meant to do. that was awsome!!! 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:00:51 EST Subject: [MBZ] RUF Porsche at the Nurburgring/IFILM www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2681562 http://www.rufautocentre.com/gallery You may have to turn off your firewall. High speed connection might be needed. The car is the famous (in the Porsche world) Yellowbird. RLE ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/
Re: [MBZ] RUF Porsche at the Nurburgring/IFILM
I didn't turn anything off and it worked just fine. Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey is anyone else as dumb as me? The site says you may have to disable your Norton security and turn off your pop up blocker to watch the vedio, so I did. I just woke up in a cold sweat wondering what credit card numbers and passwords got stolen while I was happily watching that porsche fly! No fallout so far and everything is on and updated. I've got to go find the maylox and try to get a few more winks before the sun comes up. Bob DuPuy On 11/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yea!! doing what Porsche's were meant to do. that was awsome!!! 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:00:51 EST Subject: [MBZ] RUF Porsche at the Nurburgring/IFILM www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2681562 http://www.rufautocentre.com/gallery You may have to turn off your firewall. High speed connection might be needed. The car is the famous (in the Porsche world) Yellowbird. RLE ___ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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Same here. I did run it in Firefox though -- On 11/3/05, Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't turn anything off and it worked just fine. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] RUF Porsche at the Nurburgring/IFILM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The car is the famous (in the Porsche world) Yellowbird. That was a narrow body 911 with all the engine upgrades, right?
Re: [MBZ] RUF Porsche at the Nurburgring/IFILM
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:00:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2681562 My adrenaline went up just watching it. I can imagine what the driver's was. http://www.rufautocentre.com/gallery Requires a username and password. You may have to turn off your firewall. High speed connection might be needed. You have to turn off your pop-up blocker. 256k DSL is fine. The car is the famous (in the Porsche world) Yellowbird. I can see why it is. Craig
