Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
I believe that there is a little confusion here.

An HOA cannot restrict the sale or conveyance of a property. It does not have 
the power or legal standing to do so.

Covenants, also referred to as "CC" (covenants, conditions and restrictions) 
are often used in common interest developments to regulate the use, appearance 
and maintenance of the property. These are what an HOA deals with.

There used to be a covenant known as an "exclusionary covenant" that was a part 
of the deed that could restrict or limit the land use to a group of people, 
typically preventing the sale to a given race, ethnicity, religious or social 
class. These were found to be illegal in the 1940s and 1950s, but were pretty 
much completely abolished by the Fair Housing Act of the 1960s. That being 
said, there are a lot of legacy deeds out there that still have the language in 
them.

HOAs do have legal standing, but only in the execution of their duties, that 
is, enforcing the CC that are a part of their bylaws. Nothing beyond that, 
nor can they limit or impede the sale of a property beyond the recovery of 
monies owed for fees or fines.

Dan

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> On Nov 24, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine bought a house many years ago in Aiken, SC that had in the 
> deed that it would "never be sold to a Jew or a Negro."  I don't think it was 
> in an HOA, probably pre-dated that, but it was a restriction written into the 
> deed, and probably for all the neighboring houses too.  He sold it to a white 
> family, neglected to check if they were Jews.
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 11/24/15 6:45 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Agreed, Don, you should be able to buy acreage, develop it, and build an HOA 
>> on it. Isn't that true under Americas capitalist system of government?
>> Then, assuming you are still abiding by capitalist rules, shouldn't you be 
>> allowed to sell the houses you build on it to anyone you want and require 
>> them to abide by the rules you both agreed to?
>> This sort of "pure capitalism" existed when I came to the segregated "Deep 
>> South" as a 16 year old. Since official desegregation, all sorts of 
>> "re-segregation" has taken place, but so has a lot of integration.
>> 
>> Should housing in America be a "one size fits all" system where anyone can 
>> live anywhere they want, or should people be allowed to segregate themselves 
>> on whatever basis they choose?
>> 
>> The current solution, at least in Florida, is basically economic. If you can 
>> "afford" to buy a house in an HOA you can do so if you agree to abide by the 
>> rules of the HOA.
>> This "affordability" principle gets complicated, however. Should the HOA be 
>> allowed to reject a potential buyer because of a poor credit rating or low 
>> income even though the government has agreed to provide a low interest rate 
>> mortgage?
>> 
>> These sorts of "social experiments" played out rather sadly in places like 
>> Detroit and elsewhere after the 2007 crash, and the result was many empty 
>> houses and much misery on the part of their previous owners.
>> 
>> The U.S. currently has a mixed capitalist-socialist system with constant 
>> conflict between the proponents of each system. I don't think the people on 
>> this list would be happy in a purely socialist system where the governments 
>> make all the rules; or a purely capitalist system which is like a no-limit 
>> poker game where a few wealthy individuals can repeatedly "buy the pot".
>> 
>> In America, you can find about any kind of neighborhood or HOA you like and 
>> live there "if you can affo

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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-24 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes 
Agreed, Don, you should be able to buy acreage, develop it, and build an HOA on 
it. Isn't that true under Americas capitalist system of government?
Then, assuming you are still abiding by capitalist rules, shouldn't you be 
allowed to sell the houses you build on it to anyone you want and require them 
to abide by the rules you both agreed to?
This sort of "pure capitalism" existed when I came to the segregated "Deep 
South" as a 16 year old. Since official desegregation, all sorts of 
"re-segregation" has taken place, but so has a lot of integration.

Should housing in America be a "one size fits all" system where anyone can live 
anywhere they want, or should people be allowed to segregate themselves on 
whatever basis they choose?

The current solution, at least in Florida, is basically economic. If you can 
"afford" to buy a house in an HOA you can do so if you agree to abide by the 
rules of the HOA.
This "affordability" principle gets complicated, however. Should the HOA be 
allowed to reject a potential buyer because of a poor credit rating or low 
income even though the government has agreed to provide a low interest rate 
mortgage?

These sorts of "social experiments" played out rather sadly in places like 
Detroit and elsewhere after the 2007 crash, and the result was many empty 
houses and much misery on the part of their previous owners.

The U.S. currently has a mixed capitalist-socialist system with constant 
conflict between the proponents of each system. I don't think the people on 
this list would be happy in a purely socialist system where the governments 
make all the rules; or a purely capitalist system which is like a no-limit 
poker game where a few wealthy individuals can repeatedly "buy the pot".

In America, you can find about any kind of neighborhood or HOA you like and 
live there "if you can afford it" and if you abide by its rules. This is 
especially true in Florida which has people from all over the nation and from 
numerous countries.

Personally I and my "clan" have always been conformists. Wherever we have lived 
we conformed to the local rules and customs. It makes for an untroubled 
existence with much "peace of mind".

Gerry
~~~ 

OK Don wrote:
 I should be allowed to buy any property that I can
> afford, and do whatever I want with it once I own it.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
> >> outlawed. Luckily, our
> >>
> > airpark is free range.
> >
> > If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
> > sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.
> >
> > Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
> > daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
> > Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
> > city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
> > backyards of 12 or 15 houses
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-24 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
A friend of mine bought a house many years ago in Aiken, SC that had in 
the deed that it would "never be sold to a Jew or a Negro."  I don't 
think it was in an HOA, probably pre-dated that, but it was a 
restriction written into the deed, and probably for all the neighboring 
houses too.  He sold it to a white family, neglected to check if they 
were Jews.


--R

On 11/24/15 6:45 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Agreed, Don, you should be able to buy acreage, develop it, and build an HOA on 
it. Isn't that true under Americas capitalist system of government?
Then, assuming you are still abiding by capitalist rules, shouldn't you be 
allowed to sell the houses you build on it to anyone you want and require them 
to abide by the rules you both agreed to?
This sort of "pure capitalism" existed when I came to the segregated "Deep South" as a 16 
year old. Since official desegregation, all sorts of "re-segregation" has taken place, but so has a 
lot of integration.

Should housing in America be a "one size fits all" system where anyone can live 
anywhere they want, or should people be allowed to segregate themselves on whatever basis 
they choose?

The current solution, at least in Florida, is basically economic. If you can 
"afford" to buy a house in an HOA you can do so if you agree to abide by the 
rules of the HOA.
This "affordability" principle gets complicated, however. Should the HOA be 
allowed to reject a potential buyer because of a poor credit rating or low income even 
though the government has agreed to provide a low interest rate mortgage?

These sorts of "social experiments" played out rather sadly in places like 
Detroit and elsewhere after the 2007 crash, and the result was many empty houses and much 
misery on the part of their previous owners.

The U.S. currently has a mixed capitalist-socialist system with constant conflict between 
the proponents of each system. I don't think the people on this list would be happy in a 
purely socialist system where the governments make all the rules; or a purely capitalist 
system which is like a no-limit poker game where a few wealthy individuals can repeatedly 
"buy the pot".

In America, you can find about any kind of neighborhood or HOA you like and live there 
"if you can afford it" and if you abide by its rules. This is especially true 
in Florida which has people from all over the nation and from numerous countries.

Personally I and my "clan" have always been conformists. Wherever we have lived we 
conformed to the local rules and customs. It makes for an untroubled existence with much 
"peace of mind".

Gerry
~~~

OK Don wrote:
  I should be allowed to buy any property that I can

afford, and do whatever I want with it once I own it.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be

outlawed. Luckily, our


airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.

Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
There's no forced segregation here. It's a matter of personal choice.

There are plenty of areas around me with comparable property values that don't 
have HOAs.  I will gladly show you through them and let you make the choice.

All it takes is one property owner who wants to pull the engine in their truck 
in their driveway and you'll get the idea.

Most of the HOAs around here are pretty benign and deal primarily with 
appearance.  The higher you go up the scale, the more restrictive they get.

My neighborhood is hardly an example of "House Beautiful" magazine. It is, 
however, neat, clean, and well kept. That's all I'm worried about.

Dan

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They still sounds too much like the "whites only" neighborhoods of the not
> that long ago past. I should be allowed to buy any property that I can
> afford, and do whatever I want with it once I own it.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
>>> outlawed. Luckily, our
>> airpark is free range.
>> 
>> If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
>> sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.
>> 
>> Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
>> daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
>> Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
>> city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
>> backyards of 12 or 15 houses
>> 
>> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-23 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
They still sounds too much like the "whites only" neighborhoods of the not
that long ago past. I should be allowed to buy any property that I can
afford, and do whatever I want with it once I own it.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
>> outlawed. Luckily, our
>>
> airpark is free range.
>
> If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
> sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.
>
> Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
> daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
> Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
> city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
> backyards of 12 or 15 houses
>
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
And that's the way most property owners are. I don't want my place looking 
shabby, either.

Unfortunately, that's not always the case, so controls need to exist so the 
expectations are known, clearly articulated, and, if necessary, enforceable.  
That way there is no confusion about what is expected.

Dan

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I don't have an HOA but self-police for any extraneous junk or disturbing 
> clutter, since my home is the most prominent house in view for all traffic 
> entering the neighborhood.  Nonetheless, the 300TD is always in full display 
> when I'm at home, since the garage is full of other cars.  I wonder what the 
> neighbors think...
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> There's no forced segregation here. It's a matter of personal choice.
>> 
>> There are plenty of areas around me with comparable property values that 
>> don't have HOAs.  I will gladly show you through them and let you make the 
>> choice.
>> 
>> All it takes is one property owner who wants to pull the engine in their 
>> truck in their driveway and you'll get the idea.
>> 
>> Most of the HOAs around here are pretty benign and deal primarily with 
>> appearance.  The higher you go up the scale, the more restrictive they get.
>> 
>> My neighborhood is hardly an example of "House Beautiful" magazine. It is, 
>> however, neat, clean, and well kept. That's all I'm worried about.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> > On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > They still sounds too much like the "whites only" neighborhoods of the not
>> > that long ago past. I should be allowed to buy any property that I can
>> > afford, and do whatever I want with it once I own it.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
>> >>> outlawed. Luckily, our
>> >> airpark is free range.
>> >>
>> >> If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
>> >> sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.
>> >>
>> >> Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
>> >> daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
>> >> Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
>> >> city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
>> >> backyards of 12 or 15 houses
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
>> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
>> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>> >
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>> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> > for themselves."
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
I don't have an HOA but self-police for any extraneous junk or disturbing
clutter, since my home is the most prominent house in view for all traffic
entering the neighborhood.  Nonetheless, the 300TD is always in full
display when I'm at home, since the garage is full of other cars.  I wonder
what the neighbors think...

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There's no forced segregation here. It's a matter of personal choice.
>
> There are plenty of areas around me with comparable property values that
> don't have HOAs.  I will gladly show you through them and let you make the
> choice.
>
> All it takes is one property owner who wants to pull the engine in their
> truck in their driveway and you'll get the idea.
>
> Most of the HOAs around here are pretty benign and deal primarily with
> appearance.  The higher you go up the scale, the more restrictive they get.
>
> My neighborhood is hardly an example of "House Beautiful" magazine. It is,
> however, neat, clean, and well kept. That's all I'm worried about.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > They still sounds too much like the "whites only" neighborhoods of the
> not
> > that long ago past. I should be allowed to buy any property that I can
> > afford, and do whatever I want with it once I own it.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
> >>> outlawed. Luckily, our
> >> airpark is free range.
> >>
> >> If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
> >> sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.
> >>
> >> Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
> >> daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
> >> Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
> >> city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
> >> backyards of 12 or 15 houses
> >>
> >>
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> >
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> >
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> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-20 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
Pretty upscale neighborhood in Orlando, I believe.  Some of these places have 
the craziest rules, all of which are provided to potential buyers who must 
attest to having read them and agree to abide by them before they even close on 
the house - this is state law.

I’m not defending the HOA, but in a lot of cases the owners just blow this 
stuff off and then try to claim the “I didn’t know that” card when confronted 
wth a violation.

I think this is a pretty ridiculous example and is probably the result of a 
overzealous HOA board, but it’s hard to say.

There is a really high end area on the north side of Tampa (Avila) where people 
like Tony Dungy (NFL coach) lives.  We’re talking $1M-$2M homes being cheap 
houses in this place. They have rules that ban motorcycles in the neighborhood. 
 I knew a guy who had a friend that lived there who he rode with.  They had to 
trailer their bikes to his house because they weren’t allowed to ride them on 
the neighborhood streets.

Crazy.

There was an HOA over this way that tried a similar stunt over banning pickup 
trucks, but an owner sued them and won.  The thing that really sucked for them 
was that the HOA had to increase their assessment to pay the legal fees, so 
they sort of screwed themselves in a bizarre way.

Dan, HOA President






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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-20 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
It’s not bad.  You just have to be careful and understand what you’re getting 
into, that’s all.

We have a “nice” HOA.  The worst thing I can think of that’s happened this year 
has been writing up an owner because they had a bunch of pallets leaning up 
against the side of their garage for 3-4 weeks.  If you have a fence and stuff 
isn’t visible from the street there’s not a lot we can do about it.

Just south of us is a big development called “Fishhawk”.  Their HOAs are so 
restrictive they control what plants and trees you can put in your yard.  
That’s a bit over the top for me.

Dan



> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would never live in an area with a HOA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Pretty upscale neighborhood in Orlando, I believe.  Some of these places 
>> have the craziest rules, all of which are provided to potential buyers who 
>> must attest to having read them and agree to abide by them before they even 
>> close on the house - this is state law.
>> 
>> I’m not defending the HOA, but in a lot of cases the owners just blow this 
>> stuff off and then try to claim the “I didn’t know that” card when 
>> confronted wth a violation.
>> 
>> I think this is a pretty ridiculous example and is probably the result of a 
>> overzealous HOA board, but it’s hard to say.
>> 
>> There is a really high end area on the north side of Tampa (Avila) where 
>> people like Tony Dungy (NFL coach) lives.  We’re talking $1M-$2M homes being 
>> cheap houses in this place. They have rules that ban motorcycles in the 
>> neighborhood.  I knew a guy who had a friend that lived there who he rode 
>> with.  They had to trailer their bikes to his house because they weren’t 
>> allowed to ride them on the neighborhood streets.
>> 
>> Crazy.
>> 
>> There was an HOA over this way that tried a similar stunt over banning 
>> pickup trucks, but an owner sued them and won.  The thing that really sucked 
>> for them was that the HOA had to increase their assessment to pay the legal 
>> fees, so they sort of screwed themselves in a bizarre way.
>> 
>> Dan, HOA President
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
I would never live in an area with a HOA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Pretty upscale neighborhood in Orlando, I believe.  Some of these places have 
> the craziest rules, all of which are provided to potential buyers who must 
> attest to having read them and agree to abide by them before they even close 
> on the house - this is state law.
> 
> I’m not defending the HOA, but in a lot of cases the owners just blow this 
> stuff off and then try to claim the “I didn’t know that” card when confronted 
> wth a violation.
> 
> I think this is a pretty ridiculous example and is probably the result of a 
> overzealous HOA board, but it’s hard to say.
> 
> There is a really high end area on the north side of Tampa (Avila) where 
> people like Tony Dungy (NFL coach) lives.  We’re talking $1M-$2M homes being 
> cheap houses in this place. They have rules that ban motorcycles in the 
> neighborhood.  I knew a guy who had a friend that lived there who he rode 
> with.  They had to trailer their bikes to his house because they weren’t 
> allowed to ride them on the neighborhood streets.
> 
> Crazy.
> 
> There was an HOA over this way that tried a similar stunt over banning pickup 
> trucks, but an owner sued them and won.  The thing that really sucked for 
> them was that the HOA had to increase their assessment to pay the legal fees, 
> so they sort of screwed themselves in a bizarre way.
> 
> Dan, HOA President
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>>  wrote:
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
I don't blame the HOA.  That truck is butt-ugly.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
>> outlawed. Luckily, our
>>
> airpark is free range.
>
> If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
> sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.
>
> Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
> daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
> Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
> city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
> backyards of 12 or 15 houses
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-20 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes 
Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be 
outlawed. Luckily, our

airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has 
to sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered 
self-inflicted.


Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when 
my daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to 
sign.  Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked 
to get the city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp 
behind the backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poos neighborhood

2015-11-20 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be outlawed. Luckily, our
airpark is free range.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s not bad.  You just have to be careful and understand what you’re
> getting into, that’s all.
>
> We have a “nice” HOA.  The worst thing I can think of that’s happened this
> year has been writing up an owner because they had a bunch of pallets
> leaning up against the side of their garage for 3-4 weeks.  If you have a
> fence and stuff isn’t visible from the street there’s not a lot we can do
> about it.
>
> Just south of us is a big development called “Fishhawk”.  Their HOAs are
> so restrictive they control what plants and trees you can put in your
> yard.  That’s a bit over the top for me.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would never live in an area with a HOA
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Pretty upscale neighborhood in Orlando, I believe.  Some of these
> places have the craziest rules, all of which are provided to potential
> buyers who must attest to having read them and agree to abide by them
> before they even close on the house - this is state law.
> >>
> >> I’m not defending the HOA, but in a lot of cases the owners just blow
> this stuff off and then try to claim the “I didn’t know that” card when
> confronted wth a violation.
> >>
> >> I think this is a pretty ridiculous example and is probably the result
> of a overzealous HOA board, but it’s hard to say.
> >>
> >> There is a really high end area on the north side of Tampa (Avila)
> where people like Tony Dungy (NFL coach) lives.  We’re talking $1M-$2M
> homes being cheap houses in this place. They have rules that ban
> motorcycles in the neighborhood.  I knew a guy who had a friend that lived
> there who he rode with.  They had to trailer their bikes to his house
> because they weren’t allowed to ride them on the neighborhood streets.
> >>
> >> Crazy.
> >>
> >> There was an HOA over this way that tried a similar stunt over banning
> pickup trucks, but an owner sued them and won.  The thing that really
> sucked for them was that the HOA had to increase their assessment to pay
> the legal fees, so they sort of screwed themselves in a bizarre way.
> >>
> >> Dan, HOA President
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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