Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread John Reames
A fresnel lens; preferably B or C sized...

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On Mar 28, 2011, at 22:52, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:

 A Tinius Olsen tensile tester, operating in make it a pancake compression
 mode, would be fun to watch.
 
 Walt
 On Mar 28, 2011 10:29 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
 Did anyone say Jaws of Life yet?
 
 Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
 '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
 '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
 
 
 On 3/28/2011 8:40 PM, John Reames wrote:
 P51
 
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 On Mar 28, 2011, at 19:26, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sawzall.
 
 
 Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
 discourage DIYers. What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
 purpose?
 
 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca
 wrote:
 
 Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage sale
 years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her about
 things that are essentially within her domain.
 
 Randy
 
 On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
 
 It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things
 than
 it once had.
 
 Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
 Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.
 
 If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
 it lasted so long. Seriously high build quality.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread andrew strasfogel
What's the name of that screwdrier with a hole in it again?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:00 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 A fresnel lens; preferably B or C sized...

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  On Mar 28, 2011, at 22:52, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:

  A Tinius Olsen tensile tester, operating in make it a pancake
 compression
  mode, would be fun to watch.
 
  Walt
  On Mar 28, 2011 10:29 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
  Did anyone say Jaws of Life yet?
 
  Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
  '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
  '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
 
 
  On 3/28/2011 8:40 PM, John Reames wrote:
  P51
 
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  On Mar 28, 2011, at 19:26, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Sawzall.
 
 
  Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle
 to
  discourage DIYers. What's the name again of the tool that defeats
 this
  purpose?
 
  On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca
  wrote:
 
  Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage
 sale
  years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her
 about
  things that are essentially within her domain.
 
  Randy
 
  On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
 
  It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook
 things
  than
  it once had.
 
  Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
  Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.
 
  If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
  it lasted so long. Seriously high build quality.
 
  -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread Mitch Haley

andrew strasfogel wrote:

What's the name of that screwdrier with a hole in it again?


http://www.harborfreight.com/7-pc-star-tamper-proof-key-set-97471.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-pc-mni-star-tamper-proof-key-set-97469.html

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread Mitch Haley

Mitch Haley wrote:

andrew strasfogel wrote:

What's the name of that screwdrier with a hole in it again?


http://www.harborfreight.com/7-pc-star-tamper-proof-key-set-97471.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-pc-mni-star-tamper-proof-key-set-97469.html


Or this:
http://www.harborfreight.com/100-piece-security-bit-set-91310.html

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread Tim C
Buy the last one, $10 at AutoZone too. :) Got lots of use, handy to
carry to the junkyard too.

-Tim

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 Mitch Haley wrote:

 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 What's the name of that screwdrier with a hole in it again?

 http://www.harborfreight.com/7-pc-star-tamper-proof-key-set-97471.html

 http://www.harborfreight.com/7-pc-mni-star-tamper-proof-key-set-97469.html

 Or this:
 http://www.harborfreight.com/100-piece-security-bit-set-91310.html

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread Dieselhead
SECURITY TORX	Get the driver bits at Harbor Freight.  They are 
under $10.  I think I bought a st for $4.




What's the name of that screwdrier with a hole in it again?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:00 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:


 A fresnel lens; preferably B or C sized...

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  On Mar 28, 2011, at 22:52, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:

  A Tinius Olsen tensile tester, operating in make it a pancake
 compression
  mode, would be fun to watch.
 
  Walt
  On Mar 28, 2011 10:29 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
  Did anyone say Jaws of Life yet?
 
  Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
  '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
  '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
 
 
  On 3/28/2011 8:40 PM, John Reames wrote:
  P51
 
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  On Mar 28, 2011, at 19:26, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Sawzall.
 
 
  Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle
 to
  discourage DIYers. What's the name again of the tool that defeats
 this
  purpose?
 
  On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca
  wrote:
 
  Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage
 sale
  years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her
 about
  things that are essentially within her domain.
 
  Randy
 
  On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
 
  It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook
 things
  than
  it once had.
 
  Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
  Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.
 
  If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
  it lasted so long. Seriously high build quality.
 
  -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread Fmiser
 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 What's the name of that screwdrier with a hole in it again?

There are both hex (allan) and star (torx) that it's fairly
common to have a center pin added to the screw/bolt as a
anti-tamper device.

An automatic center punch, or a hammer driven center punch can
often cleanly remove the offending pin.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread Max Dillon
Philip, that's a good trick to know.  So you just wack the pin straight-on, or 
at an angle?

 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 281k miles (daily driving duties)
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From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
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Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 3:12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 What's the name of that screwdrier with a hole in it again?

There are both hex (allan) and star (torx) that it's fairly
common to have a center pin added to the screw/bolt as a
anti-tamper device.

An automatic center punch, or a hammer driven center punch can
often cleanly remove the offending pin.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread Dieselhead

At an angle.  The object is to bust it off.



Philip, that's a good trick to know.  So you just wack the pin straight-on, or
at an angle?

 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 281k miles (daily driving duties)
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Charleston SC





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Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 3:12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave


 andrew strasfogel wrote:



 What's the name of that screwdrier with a hole in it again?


There are both hex (allan) and star (torx) that it's fairly
common to have a center pin added to the screw/bolt as a
anti-tamper device.

An automatic center punch, or a hammer driven center punch can
often cleanly remove the offending pin.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-29 Thread Fmiser
 Max Dillon wrote:

 Philip, that's a good trick to know.  So you just wack the pin
 straight-on, or at an angle?

I usually hit it at an angle.

If the screw is small enough and the punch big enough it works
well to just let the wedge of the punch drive between the edge
of the screw and the pin.

On cheap screws, I have used as small screwdriver to bend it
over which then breaks it off.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread Randy Bennell
Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage sale 
years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her about 
things that are essentially within her domain.


Randy

On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things 
than it once had.


Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.

If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
it lasted so long.  Seriously high build quality.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread andrew strasfogel
Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
discourage DIYers.  What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
purpose?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage sale
 years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her about
 things that are essentially within her domain.

 Randy

 On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things than
 it once had.


 Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
 Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.

 If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
 it lasted so long.  Seriously high build quality.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread Mitch Haley

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
discourage DIYers.  What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
purpose?


Stud welder?
Vice Grips?
Twist Drill?
Dremel?
Security TORX bit?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread Max Dillon
Sawzall is less messy, but C4 will get you there quickly.

Of course, you could always do the boring thing and purchase a security torx 
bit 
that fits.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002SPLQ8/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1pf_rd_t=201pf_rd_i=B000I1LQRCpf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_r=0VYTJH6TQ52BJCK7J3RA



 Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
'87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!)
'95 E300 281k miles (daily driving duties)
'73 Balboa 20 (High  dry until the head is back on)
Charleston SC





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Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 2:22:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
discourage DIYers.  What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
purpose?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage sale
 years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her about
 things that are essentially within her domain.

 Randy

 On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things than
 it once had.


 Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
 Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.

 If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
 it lasted so long.  Seriously high build quality.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread Rich Thomas

Plasma torch

--R

On 3/28/11 2:22 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
discourage DIYers.  What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
purpose?

   


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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread Dieselhead

Sawzall.



Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
discourage DIYers.  What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
purpose?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:


 Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage sale
 years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her about
 things that are essentially within her domain.

 Randy

 On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


 It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things than

 it once had.



 Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
 Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.

 If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
 it lasted so long.  Seriously high build quality.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread John Reames
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On Mar 28, 2011, at 19:26, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sawzall.
 
 
 Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
 discourage DIYers.  What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
 purpose?
 
 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage sale
 years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her about
 things that are essentially within her domain.
 
 Randy
 
 On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
 
 It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things than
 it once had.
 
 
 Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
 Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.
 
 If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
 it lasted so long.  Seriously high build quality.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread Walt Zarnoch
I agree.

Nothing more fun than the power of the sun in your hands!

Walt

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 Plasma torch

 --R

 On 3/28/11 2:22 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread Benz Hogs

Did anyone say Jaws of Life yet?

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)


On 3/28/2011 8:40 PM, John Reames wrote:

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On Mar 28, 2011, at 19:26, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com  wrote:


Sawzall.



Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
discourage DIYers.  What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
purpose?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca  wrote:


Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage sale
years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her about
things that are essentially within her domain.

Randy

On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things than

it once had.


Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.

If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
it lasted so long.  Seriously high build quality.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-28 Thread Walt Zarnoch
A Tinius Olsen tensile tester, operating in make it a pancake compression
mode, would be fun to watch.

Walt
On Mar 28, 2011 10:29 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
 Did anyone say Jaws of Life yet?

 Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
 '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
 '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)


 On 3/28/2011 8:40 PM, John Reames wrote:
 P51

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 On Mar 28, 2011, at 19:26, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sawzall.


 Mine has those funky sheet metal screws with the post in the middle to
 discourage DIYers. What's the name again of the tool that defeats this
 purpose?

 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca
wrote:

 Now you make me wish I still had it. Sent it to the church garage sale
 years ago. Wife wanted a new one and I try not to argue with her about
 things that are essentially within her domain.

 Randy

 On 25/03/2011 8:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things
than
 it once had.

 Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
 Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.

 If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
 it lasted so long. Seriously high build quality.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-26 Thread Rich Thomas

Plasma cutter.

C4.

--R

On 3/25/11 10:26 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Sawzall!



Dremel.  Abrasive wheel.  Slot.  BAH!

--R

On 3/25/11 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
I wanted to have a look inside and see if there was some evidence of 
exactly what was causing the issue but discovered that one cannot 
even open the case without specialized tools.


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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-26 Thread Dan Penoff
Damned auto correct.

That's torx bits.

Dan

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Security ROTC fasteners. Get the driver bits at your local Ace or True Value 
 hardware store. Harbor Freight has a complete set for cheap, too.
 
 We used to use them on desktop computer cases to keep the high school kids 
 from stealing the memory.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPod
 
 On Mar 25, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 We have a similar issue. Our Panasonic did not stop but started to make a 
 burning plastic smell so we stopped using it. I wanted to have a look inside 
 and see if there was some evidence of exactly what was causing the issue but 
 discovered that one cannot even open the case without specialized tools. The 
 socket style screws have a little pin in the middle and one must get the 
 corresponding screw driver with a small hole in the centre to remove screws. 
 We elected to get a new Microwave quickly but I still have the old one 
 waiting for me. I acquired the special screw driver set from an electronics 
 parts supplier but have yet to use them.
 
 May ultimately become MB sheet metal but I at least want to look inside.
 
 Randy
 
 On 24/03/2011 9:48 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
 The Panasonic microwave in our kitchen went from fully functional to
 completely non-functional, literally overnight.  Plugged into a live outlet,
 it shows no response to pressing any of the buttons.  No clock, timer, or
 food heating  I can't find the brochure to see if  there is a
 troubleshooting tip to solve this issue.  I am thinking it might be a fuse
 but where to begin looking for it?  Anyone have  any success in awakening a
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-26 Thread Mitch Haley

Dan Penoff wrote:

Damned auto correct.

That's torx bits.


TORX auto corrects to ROTC?
Must be highly education oriented.

The fun part of auto-correct is you can modify the settings.
For school secretaries, fix it so Superintendent isn't a good word.
Then teach it to auto correct to Supercalifragilistic.

April 1 is right around the corner.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Jim Cathey

The heart of the microwave is (still) basically
a high-voltage vacuum tube power supply.  The rest
is all command and control.  So long as transformer,
magnetron, and diode are OK you could replace all
the guts with a toggle switch: HEAT/OFF.

Wouldn't be safe, or convenient.  Flanging in a Time-O-Lite
would be cooler.  Darkroom supplies are a glut on the
thrift market now.

You probably have a bad fuse inside.

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Allan Streib
My old Goldstar microwave, ca. 1988, is still going strong and it sees
use every day.  Must not make 'em like they used to.

Allan

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:04 -0800, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 The heart of the microwave is (still) basically a high-voltage vacuum
 tube power supply.  The rest is all command and control.  So long as
 transformer, magnetron, and diode are OK you could replace all the
 guts with a toggle switch: HEAT/OFF.

 Wouldn't be safe, or convenient.  Flanging in a Time-O-Lite would be
 cooler.  Darkroom supplies are a glut on the thrift market now.

 You probably have a bad fuse inside.

 -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Randy Bennell
We have a similar issue. Our Panasonic did not stop but started to make 
a burning plastic smell so we stopped using it. I wanted to have a look 
inside and see if there was some evidence of exactly what was causing 
the issue but discovered that one cannot even open the case without 
specialized tools. The socket style screws have a little pin in the 
middle and one must get the corresponding screw driver with a small hole 
in the centre to remove screws. We elected to get a new Microwave 
quickly but I still have the old one waiting for me. I acquired the 
special screw driver set from an electronics parts supplier but have yet 
to use them.


May ultimately become MB sheet metal but I at least want to look inside.

Randy

On 24/03/2011 9:48 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The Panasonic microwave in our kitchen went from fully functional to
completely non-functional, literally overnight.  Plugged into a live outlet,
it shows no response to pressing any of the buttons.  No clock, timer, or
food heating  I can't find the brochure to see if  there is a
troubleshooting tip to solve this issue.  I am thinking it might be a fuse
but where to begin looking for it?  Anyone have  any success in awakening a
dormant microwave oven?
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread andrew strasfogel
Our microwave appears to be readily accessible through standard phillips
head sheet metal screws.  Maybe this weekend I will poke around inside.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 We have a similar issue. Our Panasonic did not stop but started to make a
 burning plastic smell so we stopped using it. I wanted to have a look inside
 and see if there was some evidence of exactly what was causing the issue but
 discovered that one cannot even open the case without specialized tools. The
 socket style screws have a little pin in the middle and one must get the
 corresponding screw driver with a small hole in the centre to remove screws.
 We elected to get a new Microwave quickly but I still have the old one
 waiting for me. I acquired the special screw driver set from an electronics
 parts supplier but have yet to use them.

 May ultimately become MB sheet metal but I at least want to look inside.

 Randy

 On 24/03/2011 9:48 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 The Panasonic microwave in our kitchen went from fully functional to
 completely non-functional, literally overnight.  Plugged into a live
 outlet,
 it shows no response to pressing any of the buttons.  No clock, timer, or
 food heating  I can't find the brochure to see if  there is a
 troubleshooting tip to solve this issue.  I am thinking it might be a fuse
 but where to begin looking for it?  Anyone have  any success in awakening
 a
 dormant microwave oven?
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Randy Bennell

Have you noticed any decline in performance?

We had an Amana that was essentially bullet proof and still working when 
it was put out to pasture.


It seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things than it 
once had.


We had that one for a long long time.

I cannot say that about the newer ones. I think we get a new one about 
every 3 years. We are not buying the $79 ones either. These are bigger 
better units but they just do not last.


On the other hand, I will admit that my good wife works it pretty hard too.

Randy

On 25/03/2011 9:06 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

My old Goldstar microwave, ca. 1988, is still going strong and it sees
use every day.  Must not make 'em like they used to.

Allan

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:04 -0800, Jim Catheyj...@windwireless.net  wrote:

The heart of the microwave is (still) basically a high-voltage vacuum
tube power supply.  The rest is all command and control.  So long as
transformer, magnetron, and diode are OK you could replace all the
guts with a toggle switch: HEAT/OFF.

Wouldn't be safe, or convenient.  Flanging in a Time-O-Lite would be
cooler.  Darkroom supplies are a glut on the thrift market now.

You probably have a bad fuse inside.

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Allan Streib
No significant decline.  I don't really remember how quickly cooked when
it was new, but it's completely satisfactory still today.

Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes:

 Have you noticed any decline in performance?

 We had an Amana that was essentially bullet proof and still working
 when it was put out to pasture.

 It seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things than it
 once had.

 We had that one for a long long time.

 I cannot say that about the newer ones. I think we get a new one about
 every 3 years. We are not buying the $79 ones either. These are bigger
 better units but they just do not last.

 On the other hand, I will admit that my good wife works it pretty hard too.

 Randy


-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Greg Fiorentino
CAUTION:

There is a capacitor that can hold a serious charge even when the unit is
disconnected.  Shorting across the terminals with an adequate resistor is
highly recommended before touching any of the wiring.  I replaced a
magnetometer on a microwave unit once, and made such a resistor by
assembling several smaller resistors in parallel.

Greg

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On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

Our microwave appears to be readily accessible through standard phillips
head sheet metal screws.  Maybe this weekend I will poke around inside.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 We have a similar issue. Our Panasonic did not stop but started to make a
 burning plastic smell so we stopped using it. I wanted to have a look
inside
 and see if there was some evidence of exactly what was causing the issue
but
 discovered that one cannot even open the case without specialized tools.
The
 socket style screws have a little pin in the middle and one must get the
 corresponding screw driver with a small hole in the centre to remove
screws.
 We elected to get a new Microwave quickly but I still have the old one
 waiting for me. I acquired the special screw driver set from an
electronics
 parts supplier but have yet to use them.

 May ultimately become MB sheet metal but I at least want to look inside.

 Randy

 On 24/03/2011 9:48 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 The Panasonic microwave in our kitchen went from fully functional to
 completely non-functional, literally overnight.  Plugged into a live
 outlet,
 it shows no response to pressing any of the buttons.  No clock, timer, or
 food heating  I can't find the brochure to see if  there is a
 troubleshooting tip to solve this issue.  I am thinking it might be a
fuse
 but where to begin looking for it?  Anyone have  any success in awakening
 a
 dormant microwave oven?
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Craig
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:29:27 -0700 Greg Fiorentino
gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote:

 CAUTION:
 
 There is a capacitor that can hold a serious charge even when the unit
 is disconnected.

What he said, only more so. The charge can kill you.


 Shorting across the terminals with an adequate resistor is highly
 recommended before touching any of the wiring.  I replaced a
 magnetometer

magnetron

 on a microwave unit once, and made such a resistor by assembling
 several smaller resistors in parallel.

I just used a screwdriver. But then, I have shorted much larger caps with
a screwdriver and knew what to expect.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Dan Penoff
Security ROTC fasteners. Get the driver bits at your local Ace or True Value 
hardware store. Harbor Freight has a complete set for cheap, too.

We used to use them on desktop computer cases to keep the high school kids from 
stealing the memory.

Dan

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On Mar 25, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 We have a similar issue. Our Panasonic did not stop but started to make a 
 burning plastic smell so we stopped using it. I wanted to have a look inside 
 and see if there was some evidence of exactly what was causing the issue but 
 discovered that one cannot even open the case without specialized tools. The 
 socket style screws have a little pin in the middle and one must get the 
 corresponding screw driver with a small hole in the centre to remove screws. 
 We elected to get a new Microwave quickly but I still have the old one 
 waiting for me. I acquired the special screw driver set from an electronics 
 parts supplier but have yet to use them.
 
 May ultimately become MB sheet metal but I at least want to look inside.
 
 Randy
 
 On 24/03/2011 9:48 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
 The Panasonic microwave in our kitchen went from fully functional to
 completely non-functional, literally overnight.  Plugged into a live outlet,
 it shows no response to pressing any of the buttons.  No clock, timer, or
 food heating  I can't find the brochure to see if  there is a
 troubleshooting tip to solve this issue.  I am thinking it might be a fuse
 but where to begin looking for it?  Anyone have  any success in awakening a
 dormant microwave oven?
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Rich Thomas

Dremel.  Abrasive wheel.  Slot.

--R

On 3/25/11 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
I wanted to have a look inside and see if there was some evidence of 
exactly what was causing the issue but discovered that one cannot even 
open the case without specialized tools.


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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Curt Raymond
Now that you mention it those are usually round head screws so vice grips work 
well...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:24:46 -0400
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave
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Dremel.  Abrasive wheel.  Slot.

--R

On 3/25/11 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 I wanted to have a look inside and see if there was some evidence of 
 exactly what was causing the issue but discovered that one cannot even 
 open the case without specialized tools.
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Jim Cathey
It [Amana] seemed to be losing power as it took longer to cook things 
than it once had.


Vacuum tubes do lose cathode emissivity as they age.
Any other cause should be cheaply repairable.

If you'd ever have opened up that Amana you'd know why
it lasted so long.  Seriously high build quality.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-25 Thread Dieselhead

Sawzall!



Dremel.  Abrasive wheel.  Slot.  BAH!

--R

On 3/25/11 4:20 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
I wanted to have a look inside and see if there was some evidence 
of exactly what was causing the issue but discovered that one 
cannot even open the case without specialized tools.


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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-24 Thread Walt Zarnoch
First off, how old? If newer than ~ 5 years, buy  a new one, they're now
built to be thrown out...

Walt
On Mar 24, 2011 10:48 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Panasonic microwave in our kitchen went from fully functional to
 completely non-functional, literally overnight. Plugged into a live
outlet,
 it shows no response to pressing any of the buttons. No clock, timer, or
 food heating I can't find the brochure to see if there is a
 troubleshooting tip to solve this issue. I am thinking it might be a fuse
 but where to begin looking for it? Anyone have any success in awakening a
 dormant microwave oven?
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Re: [MBZ] Totally OT: Dead microwave

2011-03-24 Thread Dieselhead
Gen-U-Wine parts for your Mercedes, Andrew!  Now go to craigslist and 
buy a wire welder and a sawzall if you don't have one.  You too can 
do Catheyesque repairs!



Seriously, look for a fuse, perhaps under an access panel with 
screw(s).  Then take off  the cover where the cord goes in and test 
the cord for continuity.  50-60% of small appliance failures are bad 
cords, particularly if they are wound around the appliance for 
storage.


No fuse, no bad cord, use it for MB parts and buy another.



The Panasonic microwave in our kitchen went from fully functional to
completely non-functional, literally overnight.  Plugged into a live outlet,
it shows no response to pressing any of the buttons.  No clock, timer, or
food heating  I can't find the brochure to see if  there is a
troubleshooting tip to solve this issue.  I am thinking it might be a fuse
but where to begin looking for it?  Anyone have  any success in awakening a
dormant microwave oven?
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