Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto
I agree with Paul on this. Wal-Mart is in the communities because the majority of people want them. If the liberals are so keen on democracy, they should support this. Nobody forces anyone to work at or shop at Wal-Mart. On the other hand, some folks want to force others NOT to shop at Wal-Mart. The masses may be wrong, but if we believe in democracy they have this right. Otherwise, let us put our cards on the table and admit that we think some sort of benevolent dictatorship (monarchy, oligarchy, communism, etc.) would be best for THESE people (Don't forget to exclude yourself because you think you will be in the ruling class). Just my 2 cents. Tom Potter: American -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto if that's so (which it's not), the communities obviously complied. it's not just the faceless corporate monolith that is getting it's way...people want those stores in their communities. the other stupid, stupid argument i hear is the low wages they pay their employees. correct me if i'm wrong, but no one is twisting the arms of wal-mart employees. if they wanna make more money, then get a job someplace else. i have, and will continue to buy M1 there with a perfectly clean conscience. p. Mitch Haley wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: Try anarcho-libertarian commie pinko, and no, I don't like WalMart for a variety of reasons. Does it have anything to do with WalMart asking communities to steal land from property owners and give it to WalMart to build a new SuperStore on? ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto
If her husband is in the military, she has health benefits. If her income is low and she has children, she can receive Medicaid. Personally, I approve of her working to support her family (even at low wages) rather than sit at home on the dole (which many do). It shows she has a bit more character than most. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lee Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto On Saturday 11 February 2006 8:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can people working for Walmart have so little income that they qualify for Medicaid? Even at min wage? I'm not being a smart a$$ - I don;t understand how this works. And if Walmart is doing this, are all businesses doing the same when they pay min wage? Or do some pay min wage but provide health insurance for those employees? OK, imagine you are a woman with 2 kids. Your husband left you, or died, or is in military service overseas. You work at Walmart for $7.50 an hour, but they keep you at just under 32 hours per week so they don't have to offer you health insurance or other benefits. How would you be doing, financially? Do you think you might be under the poverty level? Would it be dicey even paying rent and utilities and providing food and clothes for your two children? Even if you had worked at Walmart for the previous two years and qualified for their health benefits you surely wouldn't be able to kick two hundred bucks per month or more back to Walmart to pay your share of the cost of those benefits. Consider also that when qualifying for Medicaid, eligible medical expenses over the past six months can be subtracted from your income for the purposes of determining financial eligibility. This is known as the Medicaid spenddown. All businesses do not do this. Walmart is, for a corporation their size, arguably the worst. But because of their very size and the downward pressure they can exert on other businesses, they may well be compelling other businesses to cut benefits in order to compete with them. Lee Lee ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto
If Wally World is making that kind of return, buy stock and become wealthy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto What type is Lee's type? Also...it would be a little different if Wal Mart wasn't making a hundred gagillion bazillion mamillion dollars yearly. They could afford to do things differently, make a little less money and take care of the people who work for them. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto I feel for her. Sounds like poor conditions to raise kids in. However, is it Wal-Mart's responsibility to oversee this woman's financial state-of-affairs? It's the MOTHER'S RESPONSIBILITY to take care of herself and her children. Why is this so hard for your type to understand? Corporate America is not here to put the latest Nikes on our children's feet. It's here to make money, and compensate the people that help it to do so - AT A RATE/TERMS THEY AGREE TO WHEN THEY'RE HIRED p. lee wrote: On Saturday 11 February 2006 8:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can people working for Walmart have so little income that they qualify for Medicaid? Even at min wage? I'm not being a smart a$$ - I don;t understand how this works. And if Walmart is doing this, are all businesses doing the same when they pay min wage? Or do some pay min wage but provide health insurance for those employees? OK, imagine you are a woman with 2 kids. Your husband left you, or died, or is in military service overseas. You work at Walmart for $7.50 an hour, but they keep you at just under 32 hours per week so they don't have to offer you health insurance or other benefits. How would you be doing, financially? Do you think you might be under the poverty level? Would it be dicey even paying rent and utilities and providing food and clothes for your two children? Even if you had worked at Walmart for the previous two years and qualified for their health benefits you surely wouldn't be able to kick two hundred bucks per month or more back to Walmart to pay your share of the cost of those benefits. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto
Larry T has it right. When I hire someone for $30/hr, they actually cost
me ~$60/hr. This means that whatever service they are providing me has
to be marketable at more than $60/hr or I lose money. If I continue to
lose money, my company folds and the employee is back on the street.
Until I got into management, I did not have any idea about this burden.
Tom Potter
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you wrote:our current health care system
assumes your employer will provide you with health insurance
ya'll do realize that any money paid by your employer for any benefits
you
might have is money that could be paid directly to you and it would be
the
same thing. Typically, you cost your company 2 times what they pay you.
The only thing they do is pay for stuff *for* you. You could just as
easily
pay for it yourself if they gave you the money they would normally spend
on
your behalf. The same whether it's health/life insurance, vacation or
sick
leave. It all adds to what you cost the company to keep you around.
Social
Security is similar - exceot you pay around 1/2 and they pay about
1/2...
Everything the company provides in the way of so-called benefits is
money
you could probably better spend yourself - if they'd give it to you.
But
then you wouldn;t be a employee - you'd be a contractor.
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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- Original Message -
From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:44 PM
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paul wrote:
David Brodbeck wrote:
No, you're wrong. In our current system, health insurance *is* the
responsibility of employers.
Bull. That's why it's referred to as a benefit. It's a perk; a
plus;
a bonus.
You can call it what you want, but our current health care system
assumes your employer will provide you with health insurance. If they
don't, you have very little access to the system and you will almost
certainly end up on public assistance the first time you get hurt or
seriously ill.
Employers may not be *legally* responsible for providing health
insurance. But since they're the only reasonable source of it in the
U.S., they ought to be *morally* responsible. (Employers are also not
legally required to let their employees take bathroom breaks. That
doesn't mean it would be right for them to eliminate them.)
You really should visit south Dallas sometime...I could change your
mind
in 30 seconds.
Welfare programs are now administered by the states, who get block
grants from the federal government. If the welfare system in Dallas
is
corrupt, it's the fault of the Republicans who are running Texas.
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Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto
Is it safe to assume that you support the democratic rights of those in the many communities who have voted to ban Walmart and other big box retailers? Often, the majority of the people in the community do NOT want WalMarts, but in order to keep them out, they have to organize and pass popular initiatives. OTOH, nobody has to vote to let a WalMart INTO their community, so the idea that the presence of a WalMart is a manifestation of the democratic process has its flaws, IMO. Lee On Monday 13 February 2006 6:42, Potter, Tom E wrote: I agree with Paul on this. Wal-Mart is in the communities because the majority of people want them. If the liberals are so keen on democracy, they should support this. Nobody forces anyone to work at or shop at Wal-Mart. On the other hand, some folks want to force others NOT to shop at Wal-Mart. The masses may be wrong, but if we believe in democracy they have this right. Otherwise, let us put our cards on the table and admit that we think some sort of benevolent dictatorship (monarchy, oligarchy, communism, etc.) would be best for THESE people (Don't forget to exclude yourself because you think you will be in the ruling class). Just my 2 cents. Tom Potter: American -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto if that's so (which it's not), the communities obviously complied. it's not just the faceless corporate monolith that is getting it's way...people want those stores in their communities. the other stupid, stupid argument i hear is the low wages they pay their employees. correct me if i'm wrong, but no one is twisting the arms of wal-mart employees. if they wanna make more money, then get a job someplace else. i have, and will continue to buy M1 there with a perfectly clean conscience. p. Mitch Haley wrote: Zeitgeist wrote: Try anarcho-libertarian commie pinko, and no, I don't like WalMart for a variety of reasons. Does it have anything to do with WalMart asking communities to steal land from property owners and give it to WalMart to build a new SuperStore on? ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto
I hear that auto mechanic is one of the safest jobs. They cannot outsource it. I would suggest that one go into the large diesel field rather than the automotive. I made great money as a marine diesel mechanic during the early '70s. I actually had to take a 50 percent pay cut to go to work for a Power Company. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto having many different sources of income is a good thing these days. If one fails you have the others to carry you on till you replace the failed source. Im not so sure going to college and getting a big fancy job is the right thing these days. That job could be taken from you at any moment. Then where would you be? No job, big fancy tastes and lifestyle on a walmart budget Tom Scordato wrote: Sure, and a department manager can make a whopping $10/hr. I guess my question is, can Wal-Mart afford to pay their employees 2 , 3, 4, 5 times as much with all the bennys? Will their economic model support it and the dudes at the top still stay rich or at least have a decent income? If they can then there is a real crime. If they can not, if there is such a slight margin, then this is the way the economies of scale will level out to. It is a free market society. Although my personal jury is still out on Wal-Mart, few cries are heard when Lowes or Home Depot put the local hardware store guy out. Now one cried when the buggy whip guys went under. No one cried when in 1950 we had 20 major industrial boiler manufactures and now we have three. The way I see it (and I am not an economic major) is the world we live in is global like it or not. The job field is labor blue and white color is being leveled (which and until that leveling process emm levels, expect a total decrease in out salaries, benefits, and number of skilled high paying jobs). Couple this with computer technology allowing folks anywhere to do anything, and our own suicidal tendencies (nafta, us not buying only American produces 20 - 40 years ago when we could have halted this, high cost of medicine, our tendency to be sue happy, pending natural disasters, debt, terrorists, shitty work ethic) things will get way worse. It is a very fragile system as Katrina and 9-11 proved. People will have to become like many of the folks in Maine. They sell things in the summer, do things in the winter, pick crops, fish, work a little job here and there. We have got to become survivors. Like we were in the pioneer days. In college (if you can afford the $20K to $70K per year nut and increasing by 6%-12% a year) we should major in a white collar things and blue collar things maybe welding or working heavy equipment. When one thing goes south, maybe you have the other to fall back on. The day is coming when I am afraid when working at Wal-Mart may be a major career move. I hope not but who knows. My advise is keep a gun and allot of cash on hand. Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto Sure, and a department manager can make a whopping $10/hr. ~ ~from what I understand they pay pretty decent for what sort of job it ~is, and they promote from within. Its a good way for otherwise ~untrained people to actually get somewhere in life ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto
re the auto mechanic -- around here (Va) the community colleges teach it -
and upon graduation the local Ford network will pay, right outof school,
$50k to start with full benefits. That figure is at least 10 years old,
more likely 15 yrs - so it's probably closer to $60-$70k.
It's a excellent offer but they can't get enough people to fill the
classes - when the kids find they'll be getting grease on their hands and
not be able to sit all day, they bail out. But they find a few.
I like your suggestion about diesel mechanic - excuse me, make that Diesel
Technician ;-) And with the coming technical improvements in diesels
there'll be jobs for a long time.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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- Original Message -
From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto
I hear that auto mechanic is one of the safest jobs. They cannot
outsource it.
I would suggest that one go into the large diesel field rather than the
automotive. I made great money as a marine diesel mechanic during the
early '70s. I actually had to take a 50 percent pay cut to go to work
for a Power Company.
Tom Potter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto
having many different sources of income is a good thing these days. If
one fails you have the others to carry you on till you replace the
failed source. Im not so sure going to college and getting a big fancy
job is the right thing these days. That job could be taken from you at
any moment. Then where would you be? No job, big fancy tastes and
lifestyle on a walmart budget
Tom Scordato wrote:
Sure, and a department manager can make a whopping $10/hr.
I guess my question is, can Wal-Mart afford to pay their employees 2 ,
3, 4,
5 times as much with all the bennys? Will their economic model
support it
and the dudes at the top still stay rich or at least have a decent
income?
If they can then there is a real crime.
If they can not, if there is such a slight margin, then this is the
way the
economies of scale will level out to. It is a free market society.
Although my personal jury is still out on Wal-Mart, few cries are
heard when
Lowes or Home Depot put the local hardware store guy out. Now one
cried
when the buggy whip guys went under. No one cried when in 1950 we had
20
major industrial boiler manufactures and now we have three.
The way I see it (and I am not an economic major) is the world we live
in is
global like it or not. The job field is labor blue and white color is
being
leveled (which and until that leveling process emm levels, expect
a
total decrease in out salaries, benefits, and number of skilled high
paying
jobs). Couple this with computer technology allowing folks anywhere
to do
anything, and our own suicidal tendencies (nafta, us not buying only
American produces 20 - 40 years ago when we could have halted this,
high
cost of medicine, our tendency to be sue happy, pending natural
disasters,
debt, terrorists, shitty work ethic) things will get way worse. It is
a
very fragile system as Katrina and 9-11 proved.
People will have to become like many of the folks in Maine. They sell
things in the summer, do things in the winter, pick crops, fish, work
a
little job here and there. We have got to become survivors. Like we
were in
the pioneer days. In college (if you can afford the $20K to $70K per
year
nut and increasing by 6%-12% a year) we should major in a white collar
things and blue collar things maybe welding or working heavy
equipment.
When one thing goes south, maybe you have the other to fall back on.
The
day is coming when I am afraid when working at Wal-Mart may be a major
career move. I hope not but who knows. My advise is keep a gun and
allot
of cash on hand.
Regards Tom Scordato
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From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto
Sure, and a department manager can make a whopping $10/hr.
~
~from what I understand they pay pretty decent for what sort of job it
~is, and they promote from within. Its a good way for otherwise
~untrained people to actually get somewhere in life
~
--
Luther KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (230,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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