Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Ref: lots of independent thinkers yet oddly they all think about the same. I left NJ in 1965 and haven't looked back although I still have a brother in Succasunna and a sister in Bayville (South NJ). I'm glad some people like it there because otherwise I might have been required to move there back in my active duty days. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Owning (or possessing) a gun in NJ is hazardous. See: http://reason.com/archives/2010/11/15/brian-aitkens-mistake The original judge filtered the legal information provided to the jury to ensure conviction. The NJ Supreme Court upheld the conviction and only commutation by the new big governor got this guy out of jail: http://abcnews.go.com/US/brian-aitken-jersey-gun-charge-commuted-gov-chris/s tory?id=12448867#.T7GD3esS2os There is (or at least, was) a common mindset there that only the state may possess power, not the serfs. At least some cops and judges there believe that ordinary people have no business owning guns. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... In NJ I believe you are only allowed to transport guns if both the gun and ammo are stored in separate lock boxes, and you can't stop at grandma's house on the way to the shooting range if the gun is in the car. If you live in Greenwich and were trying to get to Stamford, I'm not sure 15 is a good alternative? Perhaps for traveling a long distance The other thing is that they generally do not necessary clear the roads very well in snowy climates. Maine may be different, but in on non-toll roads in NJ/MA they can be a disaster. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list
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Ref: lots of independent thinkers yet oddly they all think about the same. tolerance preachers too, but very intolerant. Environmentalists, but very un-conservationist (ala pious driver zipping in and out of traffic in a very non-fuel conserving way) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Remember that I95 is nearly 2000 miles long. North of Portland theres very little traffic. ;) I've driven just about the whole length of it, theres a small section in Miami I haven't covered (maybe 5 miles) but I've done all the rest including the DC corridor. Right around Boston is pretty poor as is the traffic through NYC but both are easily avoided. 495 goes farther around Boston and the Tappan Zee gets you around NYC. The CBBT gets you around DC traffic too. Western CT is way different from the east, same with rural RI. Some people are amazed that there is a rural RI, its such a small state after all but I bought my '84 190D from a guy that worked at a deer tagging station in the woods of RI. Dwight lives in a wonderful little town on the coast of RI with a nice ocean view (from the second floor of his house anyway). His place is convenient to Providence, the airport and train station. I stayed there when I went to Vegas last month and it made my early morning flight much more bearable. -Curt Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:30:55 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... Message-ID: 20120512173055.ac229a12.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII snip Is I-95 backed up along its entire length, or only near New York City and Boston? Thanks! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
I have driven probably 90% of I-95, and the traffic thing is highly overrated. Granted, there are times in certain areas you don't want to be on it, but if you're driving in off-peak times it's actually a nice drive. Just as the TriState Tollway around Chicago will help you to avoid traffic, if you're passing through north/south or the reverse, even at rush hour it's quicker to take the local expressways that deal with the 3+ hour drive around the TriState. I got caught up in the Wednesday before Thanksgiving traffic on the TriState one time, and it literally took almost five hours to drive what would have normally been a 2-1/2 hour drive. Going the Dan Ryan and Edens cut that drive to about 1-1/2 hours. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Remember that I95 is nearly 2000 miles long. North of Portland theres very little traffic. ;) I've driven just about the whole length of it, theres a small section in Miami I haven't covered (maybe 5 miles) but I've done all the rest including the DC corridor. Right around Boston is pretty poor as is the traffic through NYC but both are easily avoided. 495 goes farther around Boston and the Tappan Zee gets you around NYC. The CBBT gets you around DC traffic too. Western CT is way different from the east, same with rural RI. Some people are amazed that there is a rural RI, its such a small state after all but I bought my '84 190D from a guy that worked at a deer tagging station in the woods of RI. Dwight lives in a wonderful little town on the coast of RI with a nice ocean view (from the second floor of his house anyway). His place is convenient to Providence, the airport and train station. I stayed there when I went to Vegas last month and it made my early morning flight much more bearable. -Curt Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:30:55 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... Message-ID: 20120512173055.ac229a12.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII snip Is I-95 backed up along its entire length, or only near New York City and Boston? Thanks! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: Just as the TriState Tollway around Chicago will help you to avoid traffic, if you're passing through north/south or the reverse, even at rush hour it's quicker to take the local expressways that deal with the 3+ hour drive around the TriState. Fastest way in and out of Chicago from Indiana is the Skyway. Toll is a bit steep, but that's probably why it's generally pretty free-flowing. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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NY state property taxes are brutal! Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Exactly. When we were doing the Milwaukee-Indianapolis and back run, the Skyway was the way to go. Not to mention it was entertaining as well as educational for the kids to see the blight from Gary to the south side of Chicago (especially Cabrini Green). Dan Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: Just as the TriState Tollway around Chicago will help you to avoid traffic, if you're passing through north/south or the reverse, even at rush hour it's quicker to take the local expressways that deal with the 3+ hour drive around the TriState. Fastest way in and out of Chicago from Indiana is the Skyway. Toll is a bit steep, but that's probably why it's generally pretty free-flowing. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Southeast is also pretty pro-gun, whereas as you go farther North you run into strong anti-gun legislation such as in MD or NJ. VT is notable in that it does not (or did not) issue concealed carry permits because it is legal by default. VT gun law basically says we don't cary what you do with your guns, just don't have them on school property. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
The property taxes down here are under control. As Indiana did recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed (not market) value. That being said, the assessments are pretty close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few years. On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000 homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800. Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable. This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add. The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the change in ownership. The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford. Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Heh. When I was back in Indiana in 2008-2010, I was amazed at the strength of the pro-gun mentality. Maybe I accepted it as the norm when growing up there, but I certainly don't recall it being so prevalent... They do issue concealed carry permits there, but you can also carry in public if you choose. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: The Southeast is also pretty pro-gun, whereas as you go farther North you run into strong anti-gun legislation such as in MD or NJ. VT is notable in that it does not (or did not) issue concealed carry permits because it is legal by default. VT gun law basically says we don't cary what you do with your guns, just don't have them on school property. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Southeast is also pretty pro-gun, whereas as you go farther North you run into strong anti-gun legislation such as in MD or NJ. VT is notable in that it does not (or did not) issue concealed carry permits because it is legal by default. VT gun law basically says we don't care what you do with your guns, just don't have them on school property. Even VT has to make sure there's a safe haven for mass murderers somewhere, and they chose schools. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales tax on groceries. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The property taxes down here are under control. As Indiana did recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed (not market) value. That being said, the assessments are pretty close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few years. On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000 homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800. Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable. This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add. The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the change in ownership. The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford. Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are acknowledged to be high by the state government. When completing state taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and deduct it. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: 1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales tax on groceries. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The property taxes down here are under control. As Indiana did recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed (not market) value. That being said, the assessments are pretty close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few years. On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000 homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800. Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable. This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add. The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the change in ownership. The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford. Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to live without a car or even a driver's license. In Manhattan it can cost at least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high, leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's or family who live in Upstate NY or NJ. In the D.C. area you can use the metro to get around, get to the airport, etc. Boston may be similar, but I have no references there. The attitudes of people are also very different on the East Coast. Thay live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but also can be more confrontational. If they don't like you they are more likely to give you the finger or tell you so. As the saying goes people in the South are more likey to tab you in the back, and people in the New York stab you in the front. In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be more laid back. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are acknowledged to be high by the state government. When completing state taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and deduct it. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: 1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales tax on groceries. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The property taxes down here are under control. As Indiana did recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed (not market) value. That being said, the assessments are pretty close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few years. On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000 homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800. Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable. This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add. The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the change in ownership. The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford. Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Another thing to consider is that as you go from South to North, you are less likely to be imprisoned. In South Carolina the penalty for speeding in a work zone is up to $500 and 30 days and is clearly posted in work zones. But, you are also more likely to show up in court and defend yourself. If you get a speeding ticket in NJ you cannot show up to court without a lawyer and it is generally worth the cost to pay a lawyer to negotiate the ticket down to keep your car insurance low. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to live without a car or even a driver's license. In Manhattan it can cost at least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high, leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's or family who live in Upstate NY or NJ. In the D.C. area you can use the metro to get around, get to the airport, etc. Boston may be similar, but I have no references there. The attitudes of people are also very different on the East Coast. Thay live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but also can be more confrontational. If they don't like you they are more likely to give you the finger or tell you so. As the saying goes people in the South are more likey to tab you in the back, and people in the New York stab you in the front. In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be more laid back. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are acknowledged to be high by the state government. When completing state taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and deduct it. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: 1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales tax on groceries. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The property taxes down here are under control. As Indiana did recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed (not market) value. That being said, the assessments are pretty close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few years. On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000 homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800. Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable. This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add. The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the change in ownership. The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford. Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
NJ is also a state where the speed limit on the turnpike will suddenly drop to 35 MPH (from 65 MPH) in a work zone that doesn't need a speed limit that low. The cops can sit their and pull someone over if they feel like it and write you a ticket.. meanwhile traffic whizzes by at 75 MPH they can't get us all On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Another thing to consider is that as you go from South to North, you are less likely to be imprisoned. In South Carolina the penalty for speeding in a work zone is up to $500 and 30 days and is clearly posted in work zones. But, you are also more likely to show up in court and defend yourself. If you get a speeding ticket in NJ you cannot show up to court without a lawyer and it is generally worth the cost to pay a lawyer to negotiate the ticket down to keep your car insurance low. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to live without a car or even a driver's license. In Manhattan it can cost at least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high, leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's or family who live in Upstate NY or NJ. In the D.C. area you can use the metro to get around, get to the airport, etc. Boston may be similar, but I have no references there. The attitudes of people are also very different on the East Coast. Thay live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but also can be more confrontational. If they don't like you they are more likely to give you the finger or tell you so. As the saying goes people in the South are more likey to tab you in the back, and people in the New York stab you in the front. In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be more laid back. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are acknowledged to be high by the state government. When completing state taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and deduct it. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: 1.4% does not seem bad considering there is no tax on income and no sales tax on groceries. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: The property taxes down here are under control. As Indiana did recently, property taxes are now capped to a percentage of the property's assessed (not market) value. That being said, the assessments are pretty close to spot-on, even with the changes in the economic situation over the last few years. On a house assessed at $155,000 (market is around $200k) with a $50,000 homestead exemption, property taxes for 2011 were a little over $2,800. Considering what I have paid in other states, I consider this reasonable. This includes city services such as twice weekly trash pickup, I might add. The big problem was when the housing bubble was in place, and people were buying houses which would then automatically reassess due to the change in ownership. The taxes would then skyrocket from the previous owner, sometimes making the house difficult, if not impossible, to afford. Our previous house in this area was assessed at around $200k when we sold in 2008, and at that time the taxes were well over $3,000. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Florida also doesn't have a state income tax, but does have relatively high property tax and home owner's insurance rates (home insurance rates higher than property taxes are not uncommon). On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Florida only taxes prepared food, such as you might get at a restaurant, not unprepared food that you would typically buy at a grocery store. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Some states tax all groceries, while others only heated/cooked foot. It has been so long since I've lived in the Northeast that I cannot recall if they tax heated/cooked food. Grocery taxes are relatively common in the Southeast, though in the past few years some states have reduced them. In the Southeast where city/county sales taxes are somewhat common, the rationale has been to eliminate/reduce the state tax but keep the city/county sales tax intact. For example, TN sales tax on food is roughly 8% (5.5% state + 2.25-2.75% county where the normal rate is 9.25-9.75% (7% state + 2.25-2.75% county). In MS groceries are taxed at the state rate of 7%. In VA 2.5% (1.5% state + 1% local) where the normal rate is 5% (4% state + 1% local). NC is 2.5-4.5% (normal rate is up around 8.25% including city/county taxes). GA doesn't tax groceries. I'm sure other states tax groceries as well. On Sun, May 13,
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Exactly. When we were doing the Milwaukee-Indianapolis and back run, the Skyway was the way to go. Not to mention it was entertaining as well as educational for the kids to see the blight from Gary to the south side of Chicago (especially Cabrini Green). The Southeast is also pretty pro-gun, whereas as you go farther North you run into strong anti-gun legislation such as in MD or NJ. VT is notable in that it does not (or did not) issue concealed carry permits because it is legal by default. VT gun law basically says we don't cary what you do with your guns, just don't have them on school property. When I was back in Indiana in 2008-2010, I was amazed at the strength of the pro-gun mentality. Maybe I accepted it as the norm when growing up there, but I certainly don't recall it being so prevalent... They do issue concealed carry permits there, but you can also carry in public if you choose. The attitudes of people are also very different on the East Coast. They live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but also can be more confrontational. If they don't like you they are more likely to give you the finger or tell you so. As the saying goes people in the South are more likey to stab you in the back, and people in the New York stab you in the front. In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be more laid back. Basically if you think along the lines of VA hates people and hates cars more you're not far off. Did you know that in VA if they sent your tax bill to the wrong address, send you a bill for the incorrect amount, or mess up your income taxes, you are liable for penalties and interest from the date the tax is due. Its a worthless state that's still fighting the Civil War, hates gays, and hates women. Good information! Thank you all for sharing. I know that Dan used to live in Indiana and that Allan lives there now. I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There used to be a Crane Naval Depot, I think it is not that far from Indianapolis (of course, in Indiana, nothing is THAT far from Indy...). Why there was a naval depot in Indiana always puzzled me, I guess some Senator got his vote bought for the reward of some Navy money. My dad would occasionally go there to do some work of some sort. --R (a lost Hoosier, and Boilermaker, which is a Hoosier, but not that IU kind) On 5/13/12 5:31 PM, Craig wrote: Good information! Thank you all for sharing. I know that Dan used to live in Indiana and that Allan lives there now. I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Yes it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay. You could live in Maryland and cross the bridge. Its worth noting that in the MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work because they all have reciprocity with one another. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Yes it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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By comparison, if you work in NY but live in another state, you pay NYS (and NYC if you work in NYC) first and then pay taxes to your home state. Since the states generally credit taxes to another state, you may no income taxes to your home state because NY took them all. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay. You could live in Maryland and cross the bridge. Its worth noting that in the MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work because they all have reciprocity with one another. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Yes it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in the US. You can't get more rural than Crane, for sure. A beautiful area if you are an outdoors person. Allan would be a crispy critter in the event of a nuke attack. Crane is a high priority target due to the large amount of ordinance stored in them thar hills. Dan Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Yes it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago? That's about 215 miles up the road. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in the US. You can't get more rural than Crane, for sure. A beautiful area if you are an outdoors person. Allan would be a crispy critter in the event of a nuke attack. Crane is a high priority target due to the large amount of ordinance stored in them thar hills. Dan Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Yes it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In some Northeastern states, like New Jersey, property taxes are acknowledged to be high by the state government. When completing state taxes, you are allowed to assume 10% of your rent is for property taxes and deduct it. 10% because the rent is high? In Michigan, renters can assume that 20% of their rent is property tax when computing their homestead property tax credit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan, as in IU Bloomington. Dan Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago? That's about 215 miles up the road. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in the US. You can't get more rural than Crane, for sure. A beautiful area if you are an outdoors person. Allan would be a crispy critter in the event of a nuke attack. Crane is a high priority target due to the large amount of ordinance stored in them thar hills. Dan Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Yes it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And there is one at Wallops Island, VA. At least there used to be. Another former customer of mine. Dan Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay. You could live in Maryland and cross the bridge. Its worth noting that in the MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work because they all have reciprocity with one another. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Crane NWSC is the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Yes it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:32:17 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I used to go to Crane all the time. Largest non-public rail system in the US. You can't get more rural than Crane, for sure. A beautiful area if you are an outdoors person. I see. Allan would be a crispy critter in the event of a nuke attack. Crane is a high priority target due to the large amount of ordinance stored in them thar hills. So that's what all the root nodules on the roads visible in Google's satellite pictures are! I wondered about that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:28:40 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay. You could live in Maryland and cross the bridge. Its worth noting that in the MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work because they all have reciprocity with one another. An interesting fact I did not know. And, yes, I've found some jobs in the DC/MD area. I've already applied, but I'm told it will be 3 - 5 months before I hear anything. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Are you applying for mostly government engineering/scientific jobs? Are you looking to get out of NM or just get another job? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2012 16:28:40 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: There's also a NSWC in Dahlgren, VA right on Chesapeake Bay. You could live in Maryland and cross the bridge. Its worth noting that in the MD/VA/DC area income taxes are paid where you live, not where you work because they all have reciprocity with one another. An interesting fact I did not know. And, yes, I've found some jobs in the DC/MD area. I've already applied, but I'm told it will be 3 - 5 months before I hear anything. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On May 13, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago? That would be me. There are several Hoosiers and ex Hoosiers on this list. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Doesn't Allen live in Portage IN outside of Chicago? That's about 215 miles up the road. No, Bloomington. One county over from Crane. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 13 May 2012 17:12:12 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Are you applying for mostly government engineering/scientific jobs? No, I'm also applying to commercial and industrial positions. Are you looking to get out of NM or just get another job? Since I'm not permitted to work at a DOE facility for another year, and since Los Alamos National Laboratory is the big employer in Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratory is the big employer in Albuquerque, there isn't much engineering/scientific else available. And, yes, I'd like to get out of NM. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Have you considered moving back to Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, ? or are you looking for someplace you haven't lived before? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2012 17:12:12 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Are you applying for mostly government engineering/scientific jobs? No, I'm also applying to commercial and industrial positions. Are you looking to get out of NM or just get another job? Since I'm not permitted to work at a DOE facility for another year, and since Los Alamos National Laboratory is the big employer in Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratory is the big employer in Albuquerque, there isn't much engineering/scientific else available. And, yes, I'd like to get out of NM. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This isn't true. You show up without a lawyer and they pretty much reduce the ticket without you asking. Unless you've gotten a bunch of tickets, but then I'd guess you're better off with a lawyer just about anywhere. Jaime -Northern NJ On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: If you get a speeding ticket in NJ you cannot show up to court without a lawyer and it is generally worth the cost to pay a lawyer to negotiate the ticket down to keep your car insurance low. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You mean I90 maybe? I95 goes from Houlton, Maine to Miami, Florida or maybe slightly beyond, it doesn't go west to Chi-town. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:47:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live invarious parts of the country ... Message-ID: e88dc19d-b9f2-4016-ace9-dbf4ab7a6...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have driven probably 90% of I-95, and the traffic thing is highly overrated. Granted, there are times in certain areas you don't want to be on it, but if you're driving in off-peak times it's actually a nice drive. Just as the TriState Tollway around Chicago will help you to avoid traffic, if you're passing through north/south or the reverse, even at rush hour it's quicker to take the local expressways that deal with the 3+ hour drive around the TriState. I got caught up in the Wednesday before Thanksgiving traffic on the TriState one time, and it literally took almost five hours to drive what would have normally been a 2-1/2 hour drive. Going the Dan Ryan and Edens cut that drive to about 1-1/2 hours. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, I meant I-95. I was mixing subject matter, hence the possible confusion. And Chicago would be I-80/I-94, depending on where you are in the area. Dan On May 13, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You mean I90 maybe? I95 goes from Houlton, Maine to Miami, Florida or maybe slightly beyond, it doesn't go west to Chi-town. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:47:21 -0400 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live invarious parts of the country ... Message-ID: e88dc19d-b9f2-4016-ace9-dbf4ab7a6...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have driven probably 90% of I-95, and the traffic thing is highly overrated. Granted, there are times in certain areas you don't want to be on it, but if you're driving in off-peak times it's actually a nice drive. Just as the TriState Tollway around Chicago will help you to avoid traffic, if you're passing through north/south or the reverse, even at rush hour it's quicker to take the local expressways that deal with the 3+ hour drive around the TriState. I got caught up in the Wednesday before Thanksgiving traffic on the TriState one time, and it literally took almost five hours to drive what would have normally been a 2-1/2 hour drive. Going the Dan Ryan and Edens cut that drive to about 1-1/2 hours. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Change Eastern metro areas to Big cities and you're right but its true in Chicago as much as NYC. LA is different because theres more sprawl and their public transport sucks. The east coast is closer to Europe and more tightly packed. Boston is a much smaller city than NYC and while its possible to live without a car its not as common. In Manhattan only extremely rich idiots have cars. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:55:32 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... Message-ID: cacncphknmy5waeiu5fzkjz3-lq26rzyhdyyv651s4aez_o4...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to live without a car or even a driver's license. In Manhattan it can cost at least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high, leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's or family who live in Upstate NY or NJ. In the D.C. area you can use the metro to get around, get to the airport, etc. Boston may be similar, but I have no references there. The attitudes of people are also very different on the East Coast. Thay live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but also can be more confrontational. If they don't like you they are more likely to give you the finger or tell you so. As the saying goes people in the South are more likey to tab you in the back, and people in the New York stab you in the front. In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be more laid back. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have known people who lived in Manhattan and they weren't extremely rich and they weren't idiots. They had a good living arrangement that allowed them to park their car cheaply and use to commute to NJ. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Change Eastern metro areas to Big cities and you're right but its true in Chicago as much as NYC. LA is different because theres more sprawl and their public transport sucks. The east coast is closer to Europe and more tightly packed. Boston is a much smaller city than NYC and while its possible to live without a car its not as common. In Manhattan only extremely rich idiots have cars. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:55:32 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... Message-ID: cacncphknmy5waeiu5fzkjz3-lq26rzyhdyyv651s4aez_o4...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its worth noting in the Eastern metro areas it is completely possible to live without a car or even a driver's license. In Manhattan it can cost at least $500/month to garage your car if and car insurance is also very high, leaving many no to have cars, and those that do to park them at friend's or family who live in Upstate NY or NJ. In the D.C. area you can use the metro to get around, get to the airport, etc. Boston may be similar, but I have no references there. The attitudes of people are also very different on the East Coast. Thay live a faster pace of life, more in a hurry, but also can be more confrontational. If they don't like you they are more likely to give you the finger or tell you so. As the saying goes people in the South are more likey to tab you in the back, and people in the New York stab you in the front. In the Midwest or Rockies people tend to be more laid back. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You forgotten that to get to the beach, one has to pay beach fees and babies count too. Parking near the beach is also big headaches and had to pay. Cops are ready to hand out parking fines past the minute. So, going to the beach is not free. Restaurants at the some beach towns has dry rules, no BYO and no liquor store. One needs a permit to buy a gun. The permit requires background check and takes a long time. To get a carry permit, it is almost impossible. Beside traffic, the middle finger salute is very common. People driving tend to be hasty and getting nowhere except plenty of fender benders. KS (stuck in central NJ) On 05/13/12, Jaime Kopchinskijaime...@gmail.com wrote: I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is this true statewide? I was led to believe over the years that NJ traffic court means bring a lawyer. I wonder if some areas have given the entire state a black mark for this. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: This isn't true. You show up without a lawyer and they pretty much reduce the ticket without you asking. Unless you've gotten a bunch of tickets, but then I'd guess you're better off with a lawyer just about anywhere. Jaime -Northern NJ On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: If you get a speeding ticket in NJ you cannot show up to court without a lawyer and it is generally worth the cost to pay a lawyer to negotiate the ticket down to keep your car insurance low. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is true... only people with lots of money own cars in Manhattan. It really doesn't make any sense unless you work outside of the city and need it. A few years ago I had a spot in midtown for about $400/month because my girlfriend (now wife) lived there. I drove in 5 nights a week. She lived in a studio that was less than 300sqft for some crazy rent. I made a deal with my company to split the cost of the garage, since I had it to park their cars most of the time anyway. If I only drove my cars, I'd have parked on the street. But parking is pretty absurdly priced in Manhattan. I paid $35 to park for about an hour recently. (Actually, my company did!) Jaime On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: In Manhattan only extremely rich idiots have cars. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Its true statewide. I've only had to go twice, but they were both in completely different locations, same proceedure. Jaime On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Is this true statewide? I was led to believe over the years that NJ traffic court means bring a lawyer. I wonder if some areas have given the entire state a black mark for this. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: This isn't true. You show up without a lawyer and they pretty much reduce the ticket without you asking. Unless you've gotten a bunch of tickets, but then I'd guess you're better off with a lawyer just about anywhere. Jaime -Northern NJ On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: If you get a speeding ticket in NJ you cannot show up to court without a lawyer and it is generally worth the cost to pay a lawyer to negotiate the ticket down to keep your car insurance low. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why would you pay 5x to live in Manhattan and commute to NJ? Thats the opposite of sense. Unless they had somehow picked up a rent controlled apartment with parking but those are so rare as to be almost non-existent. There is almost nothing you can't reach in Manhattan on public transport and in most cases driving takes LONGER. Having a car makes no-sense for 99% of the folks there. Now with Zip Cars available relatively cheaply and easily for those times people need a car (to buy a big load of groceries for a party or something) owning a car makes even less sense. When I was looking at moving to Chicago we were probably going to become a 1 car family, keep my 190D and get rid of the others and maybe not even keep that. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:12:03 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... Message-ID: CACnCPhmjVE51uet5BE_DattQogjQF4kf=Ao=3+rjpusf0-d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have known people who lived in Manhattan and they weren't extremely rich and they weren't idiots. They had a good living arrangement that allowed them to park their car cheaply and use to commute to NJ. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Change Eastern metro areas to Big cities and you're right but its true in Chicago as much as NYC. LA is different because theres more sprawl and their public transport sucks. The east coast is closer to Europe and more tightly packed. Boston is a much smaller city than NYC and while its possible to live without a car its not as common. In Manhattan only extremely rich idiots have cars. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In NJ I believe you are only allowed to transport guns if both the gun and ammo are stored in separate lock boxes, and you can't stop at grandma's house on the way to the shooting range if the gun is in the car. If you live in Greenwich and were trying to get to Stamford, I'm not sure 15 is a good alternative? Perhaps for traveling a long distance The other thing is that they generally do not necessary clear the roads very well in snowy climates. Maine may be different, but in on non-toll roads in NJ/MA they can be a disaster. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is true in some places, but you need to find better beaches. If there are loads of people there, then you're at the wrong one. I generally avoid the big tourist areas and times. I found NJ beaches to be really wonderful. They're big and have great waves. I had the unfortunate experience of going to the best beach in the world in Mexico and was completely disappointed. No waves, nets to keep the crap out, and not much sand. It was all a staged paradise. This is a beach: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/4988106791/in/photostream/lightbox/ Jaime On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:13 PM, hurs...@verizon.net wrote: You forgotten that to get to the beach, one has to pay beach fees and babies count too. Parking near the beach is also big headaches and had to pay. Cops are ready to hand out parking fines past the minute. So, going to the beach is not free. Restaurants at the some beach towns has dry rules, no BYO and no liquor store. One needs a permit to buy a gun. The permit requires background check and takes a long time. To get a carry permit, it is almost impossible. Beside traffic, the middle finger salute is very common. People driving tend to be hasty and getting nowhere except plenty of fender benders. KS (stuck in central NJ) On 05/13/12, Jaime Kopchinskijaime...@gmail.com wrote: I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some people actually like living in the city. Especially young people just out of college. I can see the draw, but I'm certainly not one of them and never was. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why would you pay 5x to live in Manhattan and commute to NJ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You're right about the guns laws. Theres lots of backroads greenwich-stamford. But its not really that far, so even sitting in traffic won't take that long on I-95. A neighbor of mine commutes to Stamford. I think hes crazy, but he says its not that bad. Snow clean up is generally good even on state highways and local roads, unless it snows very heavily over a short period of time. Your tax dollars at work. Jaime On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: In NJ I believe you are only allowed to transport guns if both the gun and ammo are stored in separate lock boxes, and you can't stop at grandma's house on the way to the shooting range if the gun is in the car. If you live in Greenwich and were trying to get to Stamford, I'm not sure 15 is a good alternative? Perhaps for traveling a long distance The other thing is that they generally do not necessary clear the roads very well in snowy climates. Maine may be different, but in on non-toll roads in NJ/MA they can be a disaster. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One guy was a lifetime resident who didn't pay a lot to live for housing and took a job in NJ for a few years to further his career. It didn't make sense to move his entire family. And it was a reverse commute. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why would you pay 5x to live in Manhattan and commute to NJ? Thats the opposite of sense. Unless they had somehow picked up a rent controlled apartment with parking but those are so rare as to be almost non-existent. There is almost nothing you can't reach in Manhattan on public transport and in most cases driving takes LONGER. Having a car makes no-sense for 99% of the folks there. Now with Zip Cars available relatively cheaply and easily for those times people need a car (to buy a big load of groceries for a party or something) owning a car makes even less sense. When I was looking at moving to Chicago we were probably going to become a 1 car family, keep my 190D and get rid of the others and maybe not even keep that. -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:12:03 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... Message-ID: CACnCPhmjVE51uet5BE_DattQogjQF4kf=Ao=3+rjpusf0-d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have known people who lived in Manhattan and they weren't extremely rich and they weren't idiots. They had a good living arrangement that allowed them to park their car cheaply and use to commute to NJ. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Change Eastern metro areas to Big cities and you're right but its true in Chicago as much as NYC. LA is different because theres more sprawl and their public transport sucks. The east coast is closer to Europe and more tightly packed. Boston is a much smaller city than NYC and while its possible to live without a car its not as common. In Manhattan only extremely rich idiots have cars. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The commutes may have gotten easier because of the economic downturn. I never found snow clean up to be very good while traveling. The last experience was a snow that started while I was in PA heading to NH. 287 northbound was a parking lot. Not a plow in sight. NY was equally a disgrace, and CT even worse. The Mass pike was fine, but I-495, not so much. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: You're right about the guns laws. Theres lots of backroads greenwich-stamford. But its not really that far, so even sitting in traffic won't take that long on I-95. A neighbor of mine commutes to Stamford. I think hes crazy, but he says its not that bad. Snow clean up is generally good even on state highways and local roads, unless it snows very heavily over a short period of time. Your tax dollars at work. Jaime On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: In NJ I believe you are only allowed to transport guns if both the gun and ammo are stored in separate lock boxes, and you can't stop at grandma's house on the way to the shooting range if the gun is in the car. If you live in Greenwich and were trying to get to Stamford, I'm not sure 15 is a good alternative? Perhaps for traveling a long distance The other thing is that they generally do not necessary clear the roads very well in snowy climates. Maine may be different, but in on non-toll roads in NJ/MA they can be a disaster. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
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Except that the extremy rich idiots are likely not so stupid:) Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2012, at 9:16 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: This is true... only people with lots of money own cars in Manhattan. It really doesn't make any sense unless you work outside of the city and need it. A few years ago I had a spot in midtown for about $400/month because my girlfriend (now wife) lived there. I drove in 5 nights a week. She lived in a studio that was less than 300sqft for some crazy rent. I made a deal with my company to split the cost of the garage, since I had it to park their cars most of the time anyway. If I only drove my cars, I'd have parked on the street. But parking is pretty absurdly priced in Manhattan. I paid $35 to park for about an hour recently. (Actually, my company did!) Jaime On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: In Manhattan only extremely rich idiots have cars. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When are we talking about? Some people seem to have this idea that the roads
should be clear before, during and after a storm. During and immediately after
a storm there will be snow on the ground. In the middle of a big city it takes
a couple days to get all the snow off the streets. Thats logistics, you
wouldn't want to pay the taxes it would require for it to be otherwise.
I've lived in MA for the last 18 years and never thought it was all that worse
than in Maine which is kind of the gold standard. I don't like the way the
state plows the highways (they use a plow convoy, in Maine they use 2 trucks
with wing plows) but other than that they do a reasonably good job. Good enough
that I've been commuting in a rear wheel drive MB ('83 240D, '85 190D, '78
240D, '84 190D) since 2003 and never once been stuck or off the road. Once I
turned around and went home but that was a bad storm and I knew working from
home was an option.
-Curt
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In NJ I believe you are only allowed to transport guns if both the gun and
ammo are stored in separate lock boxes, and you can't stop at grandma's
house on the way to the shooting range if the gun is in the car.
If you live in Greenwich and were trying to get to Stamford, I'm not sure
15 is a good alternative? Perhaps for traveling a long distance
The other thing is that they generally do not necessary clear the roads
very well in snowy climates. Maine may be different, but in on non-toll
roads in NJ/MA they can be a disaster.
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I've made the trip from Manhattan to Greenwich in 25 minutes but that was in the middle of the night! Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: The commutes may have gotten easier because of the economic downturn. I never found snow clean up to be very good while traveling. The last experience was a snow that started while I was in PA heading to NH. 287 northbound was a parking lot. Not a plow in sight. NY was equally a disgrace, and CT even worse. The Mass pike was fine, but I-495, not so much. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: You're right about the guns laws. Theres lots of backroads greenwich-stamford. But its not really that far, so even sitting in traffic won't take that long on I-95. A neighbor of mine commutes to Stamford. I think hes crazy, but he says its not that bad. Snow clean up is generally good even on state highways and local roads, unless it snows very heavily over a short period of time. Your tax dollars at work. Jaime On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: In NJ I believe you are only allowed to transport guns if both the gun and ammo are stored in separate lock boxes, and you can't stop at grandma's house on the way to the shooting range if the gun is in the car. If you live in Greenwich and were trying to get to Stamford, I'm not sure 15 is a good alternative? Perhaps for traveling a long distance The other thing is that they generally do not necessary clear the roads very well in snowy climates. Maine may be different, but in on non-toll roads in NJ/MA they can be a disaster. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I'll speak up about my experiences living in northern NJ. Lets start with the bad stuff. Cons: - Overall, very high cost of living - High property taxes - High traffic - Generally speaking, you need two incomes in a household to live decently Pros: - High standard of living - Diversity - All the good things that come with diversity: Good markets, restaurants, and pretty much anything you can image eating near by (there are important for me) - Culture - People are well educated, lots of independent thinkers - Lots of industries, lots of jobs I really do like living here, as does just about everyone I know. I live 6 miles from the city, although I rarely go there. The benefits of being near a city like NYC reach deep into the surrounding areas. Depending on your preference, you can live in a city environment, suburban, or rural and never be all that far away from the city or its influence. Forget the stereotypes of NJ... people don't talk like that through most of the state, and most people don't live near the refineries and industry you see along the NJ Turnpike of when you fly into EWR. That isn't New Jersey. We're an hour to excellent beaches and shore line, two hours from the mountains. You can own a gun here, but the laws are quite different than other states. I have friends who own a few, but not many. Traffic can be a problem, but locals know ways around it. I live in one of the most congested parts of the state. Its a bit much for me, but its manageable. We're planning on moving soon, to another part of the state. About 25 miles west of the city. Someplace where the roads are quiet on Sunday and you can hear yourself think. Given the high cost of living, I wouldn't think about moving here unless you already have a job, or have experience in a field that is in demand. Back to CT... Given the example of I-95 through CT... most would just take CT-15 instead. Much nicer ride, less traffic. I-95 sucks through that area. In fact, I-95 through NY is to be avoided too, take the tappen zee bridge across the hudson, then connect to CT-15. There are lots of redundant highways in the area. I generally like the feel of CT. Its much more New Englandy than NJ is. From what I understand, property taxes are lower there, but the cost of homes is higher. There are some crappy areas, but also parts where the super wealthy live. I consider RI an even nicer place to live, but only based on my experiences of driving through a bunch of times. And, there are loads of nice old Mercedes around here. They sold tons of them when new, and many are still on the road or kept in heated garages. Good luck, Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
I can see living in the city but not to then commute out. I guess you wouldn't be fighting traffic... -Curt Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 21:26:10 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... Message-ID: CACY-bA+9QQYzWGsPTF9jLWq+k2EqsB5eSFrEW+AKhO=jcm2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Some people actually like living in the city. Especially young people just out of college. I can see the draw, but I'm certainly not one of them and never was. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why would you pay 5x to live in Manhattan and commute to NJ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When its no longer snowing and the Mass Pike is fine, then I-495 should be
fine too. After all, by the time I got to I-495 they had more time to
clear the road
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
When are we talking about? Some people seem to have this idea that the
roads should be clear before, during and after a storm. During and
immediately after a storm there will be snow on the ground. In the middle
of a big city it takes a couple days to get all the snow off the streets.
Thats logistics, you wouldn't want to pay the taxes it would require for it
to be otherwise.
I've lived in MA for the last 18 years and never thought it was all that
worse than in Maine which is kind of the gold standard. I don't like the
way the state plows the highways (they use a plow convoy, in Maine they use
2 trucks with wing plows) but other than that they do a reasonably good
job. Good enough that I've been commuting in a rear wheel drive MB ('83
240D, '85 190D, '78 240D, '84 190D) since 2003 and never once been stuck or
off the road. Once I turned around and went home but that was a bad storm
and I knew working from home was an option.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:20:40 -0600
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In NJ I believe you are only allowed to transport guns if both the gun and
ammo are stored in separate lock boxes, and you can't stop at grandma's
house on the way to the shooting range if the gun is in the car.
If you live in Greenwich and were trying to get to Stamford, I'm not sure
15 is a good alternative? Perhaps for traveling a long distance
The other thing is that they generally do not necessary clear the roads
very well in snowy climates. Maine may be different, but in on non-toll
roads in NJ/MA they can be a disaster.
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Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:02:55 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Have you considered moving back to Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, ? or are you looking for someplace you haven't lived before? I'm looking for where the jobs are. I found one in Washington with the University of Washington for a Field Engineer. One of the requisites is, Must be able to work at-sea on a large oceanographic ship for up to 4 weeks at a time in poor weather. Shirley isn't too thrilled about that one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Crane Naval Weapons Depot, also known as Crane NSWC, is very much alive and well. While it's not so much as an ordinance depot like it used to be, there are a lot of things going on at Crane that dictate they be done in the middle of a 100 square mile wilderness. Dan Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: There used to be a Crane Naval Depot, I think it is not that far from Indianapolis (of course, in Indiana, nothing is THAT far from Indy...). Why there was a naval depot in Indiana always puzzled me, I guess some Senator got his vote bought for the reward of some Navy money. My dad would occasionally go there to do some work of some sort. --R (a lost Hoosier, and Boilermaker, which is a Hoosier, but not that IU kind) On 5/13/12 5:31 PM, Craig wrote: Good information! Thank you all for sharing. I know that Dan used to live in Indiana and that Allan lives there now. I did find a job listed in Crane, IN. Seems way out in the boonies ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
It's a permanent feature of Oklahoma, one of the reddest of States. We'll cut income taxes for the wealthy here during record budget deficits, but the grocery tax is sacred to the Republicans who control all of the government here. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
I think OK give an income tax credit to low income residents to offset the sales tax on groceries... unless they passed the proposed changes this year? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: It's a permanent feature of Oklahoma, one of the reddest of States. We'll cut income taxes for the wealthy here during record budget deficits, but the grocery tax is sacred to the Republicans who control all of the government here. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
True - but low income is like under $10,000 a yeare. Yes, they did pass a bunch of new laws this year, but I don't know what the effect of them will be yet - they are still at it! Who siad that no man nor his purse is safe while the legislature is in session? Will Rogers? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: I think OK give an income tax credit to low income residents to offset the sales tax on groceries... unless they passed the proposed changes this year? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: It's a permanent feature of Oklahoma, one of the reddest of States. We'll cut income taxes for the wealthy here during record budget deficits, but the grocery tax is sacred to the Republicans who control all of the government here. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. Sales tax on groceries (I assume you mean food items excluding ready to eat prepared food) is pretty rare isn't it? We don't have it in Indiana. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
On Sun, 13 May 2012 22:03:08 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: True - but low income is like under $10,000 a yeare. Yes, they did pass a bunch of new laws this year, but I don't know what the effect of them will be yet - they are still at it! Who siad that no man nor his purse is safe while the legislature is in session? Will Rogers? That would be the one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
One word: liberal --R On 5/11/12 10:07 PM, Craig wrote: Anyone one know anything about Rhode Island and Connecticut? Thanks, Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 108 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:40:03 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Well that explains it! What states has Craig lived in? For some reason I thought he lived/had lived in MA. As a small child, Minnesota, Montana, and Washington. Growing up, California (Los Angeles and Pasadena). Out on my own in the USAF, Colorado (Colorado Springs), Florida Panhandle, California (Sacramento). After the USAF, California (San Luis Obispo), Colorado (Colorado Springs), Texas (Austin), New Mexico (Los Alamos). I'm looking for a job and wondering what various parts of the country are like so I can decide if I want to apply to a job in a particular location. I live in Greenwich, CT for a short time, right near the NY state line. Yes, that is right near the NY state line! I had not realized that Connecticut has a rectangular snout poking down into New York. As you get farther from NY, the Wall Street influence goes away. That's nice to know. If I wanted to go to nearby Stamford I-95 was guaranteed to be backed up, so it was nice living within walking of downtown Greenwich. Is I-95 backed up along its entire length, or only near New York City and Boston? The coast along Long Island Sound is beautiful, and as you go farther North it is much more rural. Thanks! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
I-95 connects the major East Coast cities. The parts around the major cities will suffer the daily rush hour problems. The rural areas can see heavy traffic during holidays/peak travel seasons as many will travel from the Northeast to Florida along I-95. Part of I-95 in the Northeast are toll road though once you get south of Baltimore it is free. The NY/NJ/CT metro area locally known as the Tri State Area is the largest metro area in the U.S. You can have a traffic jam on the GW at 2AM. GW=George Washington Bridge, connecting NY/NJ. Connecticut is sometimes considered New England, but I would say only the parts of near MA or RI would be considered New England. Greenwich, Stamford, etc. would be NYC metro. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:40:03 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Well that explains it! What states has Craig lived in? For some reason I thought he lived/had lived in MA. As a small child, Minnesota, Montana, and Washington. Growing up, California (Los Angeles and Pasadena). Out on my own in the USAF, Colorado (Colorado Springs), Florida Panhandle, California (Sacramento). After the USAF, California (San Luis Obispo), Colorado (Colorado Springs), Texas (Austin), New Mexico (Los Alamos). I'm looking for a job and wondering what various parts of the country are like so I can decide if I want to apply to a job in a particular location. I live in Greenwich, CT for a short time, right near the NY state line. Yes, that is right near the NY state line! I had not realized that Connecticut has a rectangular snout poking down into New York. As you get farther from NY, the Wall Street influence goes away. That's nice to know. If I wanted to go to nearby Stamford I-95 was guaranteed to be backed up, so it was nice living within walking of downtown Greenwich. Is I-95 backed up along its entire length, or only near New York City and Boston? The coast along Long Island Sound is beautiful, and as you go farther North it is much more rural. Thanks! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
I guess it really depends on what you're after when you move. Tax wise, the Northeast is VERY HIGH particularly when it comes to property taxes. At the same time, there is no sales tax on groceries, and may/may not tax clothes. NY/CT fuel taxes are VERY HIGH. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: I-95 connects the major East Coast cities. The parts around the major cities will suffer the daily rush hour problems. The rural areas can see heavy traffic during holidays/peak travel seasons as many will travel from the Northeast to Florida along I-95. Part of I-95 in the Northeast are toll road though once you get south of Baltimore it is free. The NY/NJ/CT metro area locally known as the Tri State Area is the largest metro area in the U.S. You can have a traffic jam on the GW at 2AM. GW=George Washington Bridge, connecting NY/NJ. Connecticut is sometimes considered New England, but I would say only the parts of near MA or RI would be considered New England. Greenwich, Stamford, etc. would be NYC metro. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:40:03 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Well that explains it! What states has Craig lived in? For some reason I thought he lived/had lived in MA. As a small child, Minnesota, Montana, and Washington. Growing up, California (Los Angeles and Pasadena). Out on my own in the USAF, Colorado (Colorado Springs), Florida Panhandle, California (Sacramento). After the USAF, California (San Luis Obispo), Colorado (Colorado Springs), Texas (Austin), New Mexico (Los Alamos). I'm looking for a job and wondering what various parts of the country are like so I can decide if I want to apply to a job in a particular location. I live in Greenwich, CT for a short time, right near the NY state line. Yes, that is right near the NY state line! I had not realized that Connecticut has a rectangular snout poking down into New York. As you get farther from NY, the Wall Street influence goes away. That's nice to know. If I wanted to go to nearby Stamford I-95 was guaranteed to be backed up, so it was nice living within walking of downtown Greenwich. Is I-95 backed up along its entire length, or only near New York City and Boston? The coast along Long Island Sound is beautiful, and as you go farther North it is much more rural. Thanks! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Greenwich has a New England feel with windy hilly roads and some of the nicest stone walls anywhere, but it's so not New England it's not even funny. Lived there for many years. Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I-95 connects the major East Coast cities. The parts around the major cities will suffer the daily rush hour problems. The rural areas can see heavy traffic during holidays/peak travel seasons as many will travel from the Northeast to Florida along I-95. Part of I-95 in the Northeast are toll road though once you get south of Baltimore it is free. The NY/NJ/CT metro area locally known as the Tri State Area is the largest metro area in the U.S. You can have a traffic jam on the GW at 2AM. GW=George Washington Bridge, connecting NY/NJ. Connecticut is sometimes considered New England, but I would say only the parts of near MA or RI would be considered New England. Greenwich, Stamford, etc. would be NYC metro. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2012 21:40:03 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Well that explains it! What states has Craig lived in? For some reason I thought he lived/had lived in MA. As a small child, Minnesota, Montana, and Washington. Growing up, California (Los Angeles and Pasadena). Out on my own in the USAF, Colorado (Colorado Springs), Florida Panhandle, California (Sacramento). After the USAF, California (San Luis Obispo), Colorado (Colorado Springs), Texas (Austin), New Mexico (Los Alamos). I'm looking for a job and wondering what various parts of the country are like so I can decide if I want to apply to a job in a particular location. I live in Greenwich, CT for a short time, right near the NY state line. Yes, that is right near the NY state line! I had not realized that Connecticut has a rectangular snout poking down into New York. As you get farther from NY, the Wall Street influence goes away. That's nice to know. If I wanted to go to nearby Stamford I-95 was guaranteed to be backed up, so it was nice living within walking of downtown Greenwich. Is I-95 backed up along its entire length, or only near New York City and Boston? The coast along Long Island Sound is beautiful, and as you go farther North it is much more rural. Thanks! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
I am interested in knowing why someone who lives in MA would ask about what it is like to live in adjacent states such as NH, RI, or CT. Everywhere I've lived, I know what life is like in the nearby states, say a radius of a few hundred miles. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Anyone one know anything about Rhode Island and Connecticut? Thanks, Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 108 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
But Craig lives in NM. Wilton - Original Message - From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... I am interested in knowing why someone who lives in MA would ask about what it is like to live in adjacent states such as NH, RI, or CT. Everywhere I've lived, I know what life is like in the nearby states, say a radius of a few hundred miles. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Anyone one know anything about Rhode Island and Connecticut? Thanks, Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 108 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ...
Well that explains it! What states has Craig lived in? For some reason I thought he lived/had lived in MA. I live in Greenwich, CT for a short time, right near the NY state line. Many people who live there are VERY wealthy and tied to Wall Street (i.e. NY stock exchange). Even though taxes in CT are high, they are cheeper than NY. It was nothing to be at a stop light and be surrounded by Rolls Royces, Ferrari's and other cars that cost a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Middle class income is $400,000-$500,000/year. As you get farther from NY, the Wall Street influence goes away. I lived within walking distance to the Metro North train that would take me to Grand Central in NYC. Traffic was terrible. If I wanted to go to nearby Stamford I-95 was guaranteed to be backed up, so it was nice living within walking of downtown Greenwich. The coast along Long Island Sound is beautiful, and as you go farther North it is much more rural. Personally I see no appeal to the state whatsoever. Maybe because I don't make millions of dollars each year. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:21 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: But Craig lives in NM. Wilton - Original Message - From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Yet another question about what it's like to live in various parts of the country ... I am interested in knowing why someone who lives in MA would ask about what it is like to live in adjacent states such as NH, RI, or CT. Everywhere I've lived, I know what life is like in the nearby states, say a radius of a few hundred miles. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Anyone one know anything about Rhode Island and Connecticut? Thanks, Craig --** Present:'95 E320Sebastian 108 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
