Re: [MBZ] Block Heater and Drain?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Craig - correct on both.  I don't have the part number handy, but there is
a NAPA block heater cord that was about $20 in price a few years ago.
Quality may not be as high as the MB part, but a much nicer price!  I have
found nice power cords at the Pick-n-pull for my cars.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:53 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> While I was rolling underneath the E300D, I thought to look for the block
> heater and block drain.
>
> I settled on the objects shown in the attached picture near the rear of
> the block on the passenger (curb) side.
>
> I tried turning the fluted thing I think is the cover for the block
> heater by hand without success. I would like confirmation about what
> it is before I get out the channel-locks and really start cranking on
> it.
>
> Also, what is the part number for the power cord for the block heater?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater and Drain?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I believe that you are correct, but all of mine already had cords, so it
was easy to find the block heater ...

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:53 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> While I was rolling underneath the E300D, I thought to look for the block
> heater and block drain.
>
> I settled on the objects shown in the attached picture near the rear of
> the block on the passenger (curb) side.
>
> I tried turning the fluted thing I think is the cover for the block
> heater by hand without success. I would like confirmation about what
> it is before I get out the channel-locks and really start cranking on
> it.
>
> Also, what is the part number for the power cord for the block heater?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Both of my current 124 diesels have block heaters that take the round plug with 
screw-down collar.  I've gotten the same cord from gasser 124 cars.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 5, 2018 12:16:38 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>The ones with the round plug/screw collar are also for for
>Dodge/cummins 
>and are available online, at FLAPS or at stealers.   You can easily buy
>
>the cord separately on fleabay and other vendors.  If you buy a round 
>plug cord, you coul cut the round into a rectangle, as the 2 pins are 
>the same as far as I can tell.
>
>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> January 5, 2018 at 11:09 AM
>> Yeah, the new ones have the screw collar.
>>
>>
>http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=ddsx4mne445sfr3refaznh55=800016@Mercedes=1194320@300TDT=1983=block
>> heater@block heater=20372@Engine Block Heater
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

FYI I did check ebay, but being unclear about the type of cord I needed
felt it safer to buy the entire kit.  There is a generic PN I used to
conduct the search.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The ones with the round plug/screw collar are also for for Dodge/cummins
> and are available online, at FLAPS or at stealers.   You can easily buy the
> cord separately on fleabay and other vendors.  If you buy a round plug
> cord, you coul cut the round into a rectangle, as the 2 pins are the same
> as far as I can tell.
>
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> January 5, 2018 at 11:09 AM
>> Yeah, the new ones have the screw collar.
>>
>> http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=ddsx4mne44
>> 5sfr3refaznh55=800016@Mercedes=1194320@
>> 300TDT=1983=block
>> heater@block heater=20372@Engine Block Heater
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The ones with the round plug/screw collar are also for for Dodge/cummins 
and are available online, at FLAPS or at stealers.   You can easily buy 
the cord separately on fleabay and other vendors.  If you buy a round 
plug cord, you coul cut the round into a rectangle, as the 2 pins are 
the same as far as I can tell.




Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 5, 2018 at 11:09 AM
Yeah, the new ones have the screw collar.

http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=ddsx4mne445sfr3refaznh55=800016@Mercedes=1194320@300TDT=1983=block
heater@block heater=20372@Engine Block Heater

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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, the new ones have the screw collar.

http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=ddsx4mne445sfr3refaznh55=800016@Mercedes=1194320@300TDT=1983=block
heater@block heater=20372@Engine Block Heater

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I've seen ones that have a screw collar to secure the plug in the heater,
> and later ones that are just a friction fit.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I've seen ones that have a screw collar to secure the plug in the heater,
and later ones that are just a friction fit.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 Hopefully my tech will preserve it so I can post a photo.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On January 5, 2018 at 11:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think what happened is that the original owner installed an after
> market
> > block heater.  The cord on the new block heater kit had a different plug,
> > but the heater element fortunately matched the 38 mm threaded opening for
> > the freeze plug where the element screws in.  Therefore, although the
> cord
> > was incompatible, the heater itself was a suitable replacement for the
> > existing heater.
>
> That may be the case.
> From what I can discern, there seems to be one rectangular plug to fit all
> the OE heaters in a 25 year or greater period of time.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On January 5, 2018 at 11:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think what happened is that the original owner installed an after market
> block heater.  The cord on the new block heater kit had a different plug,
> but the heater element fortunately matched the 38 mm threaded opening for
> the freeze plug where the element screws in.  Therefore, although the cord
> was incompatible, the heater itself was a suitable replacement for the
> existing heater.

That may be the case. 
>From what I can discern, there seems to be one rectangular plug to fit all the 
>OE heaters in a 25 year or greater period of time. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I think what happened is that the original owner installed an after market
block heater.  The cord on the new block heater kit had a different plug,
but the heater element fortunately matched the 38 mm threaded opening for
the freeze plug where the element screws in.  Therefore, although the cord
was incompatible, the heater itself was a suitable replacement for the
existing heater.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nothing attached / linked?
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On January 5, 2018 12:02:52 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Does this look like the right end for the heater.  None of mine had the
> >
> >retaining ring, but I think the plug is right for MB block heaters used
> >
> >in the OM61x and OM60x engines.
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Nothing attached / linked?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On January 5, 2018 12:02:52 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Does this look like the right end for the heater.  None of mine had the
>
>retaining ring, but I think the plug is right for MB block heaters used
>
>in the OM61x and OM60x engines.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Another complicating factors that I have the earlier version which has a
different cord.

On Jan 5, 2018 12:03 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Does this look like the right end for the heater.  None of mine had the
> retaining ring, but I think the plug is right for MB block heaters used in
> the OM61x and OM60x engines.
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Thanks it took me some time to figure out what was going on. I didn't even
know I had one until I found the plug while replacing the head. So I
plugged it in to see if it worked, then started getting little jolts of
electric shock off the car while wrenching on it.

On Dec 18, 2016 8:09 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> if the cord does not have the original plug, it is miswired.  If the cord
> is origina, replace the heater.
>
> Properly installed and properly operating you will not get a shock.  there
> is no fire hazard unless the engine has no coolant, or the cord is bad.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>> December 18, 2016 at 7:35 PM
>> I have heard of w123 cars being lit on fire by those things and I can get
>> electric shocks from the fenders when I plug mine in, so use sparingly.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

if the cord does not have the original plug, it is miswired.  If the 
cord is origina, replace the heater.


Properly installed and properly operating you will not get a shock.  
there is no fire hazard unless the engine has no coolant, or the cord is 
bad.



Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
December 18, 2016 at 7:35 PM
I have heard of w123 cars being lit on fire by those things and I can get
electric shocks from the fenders when I plug mine in, so use sparingly.



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Re: [MBZ] Block heater

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What?Thats bunk, unless its because the cord failed at the joint to the block 
heater. I had one do that but it simply didn't work.
I have probably hundreds of hours of block heater time on 2 different 240Ds. 
I've never even heard of a car catching fire because of one. Who told you this?
-Curt

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I have heard of w123 cars being lit on fire by those things and I can get
electric shocks from the fenders when I plug mine in, so use sparingly.

On Dec 18, 2016 9:33 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's only up to 8 so far and wife has to leave in the 140 diesel here in a
> little bit. Rather than take the chance that it does not start I plugged in
> the block heater. I don't think I have ever used it so hopefully it works.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have heard of w123 cars being lit on fire by those things and I can get
electric shocks from the fenders when I plug mine in, so use sparingly.

On Dec 18, 2016 9:33 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's only up to 8 so far and wife has to leave in the 140 diesel here in a
> little bit. Rather than take the chance that it does not start I plugged in
> the block heater. I don't think I have ever used it so hopefully it works.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] block heater cord

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Feb 23, 2013 10:32 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Doesn't NAPA carry a cord which
 will fit our Mercedes block heaters?

Yes, and Rusty/Worldpac lists an aftermarket version (probably the same),
but I wouldn't bother with anything but factory Mercedes.  The cheaper
versions lack a screw-on connection to the block, and tend to work loose
from the connector very quickly in my experience.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] block heater cord

[Max Dillon]

Finally found the reference I was looking for on the MBCA forums.  NAPA used
to carry Balkamp BK 605-3411, last year their price was about $20.  They no
longer carry it.

-Max

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater cord

On Feb 23, 2013 10:32 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Doesn't NAPA carry a cord which
 will fit our Mercedes block heaters?

Yes, and Rusty/Worldpac lists an aftermarket version (probably the same),
but I wouldn't bother with anything but factory Mercedes.  The cheaper
versions lack a screw-on connection to the block, and tend to work loose
from the connector very quickly in my experience.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] block heater cord

[Fmiser]

 Max Dillon wrote:

 Doesn't NAPA carry a cord which will fit our Mercedes block
 heaters?  I thought someone posted that part number once, but
 searching my archives I cannot find it.

 '87 300TD 337k miles (Garage Queen)
 '95 E300 321k miles, daily driver

The W123s have two different ones.  I think the '85 is when it
changed.  The connectors at the heater are different, and the
newer heater draws a little less power, too - I think. I have no
idea how that may apply to the newer chassis.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question

[Rusty Cullens]

No.

Rusty Cullens
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6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
Suite 260
Atlanta, GA 30360
 
800-741-5252
770-452-7320

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To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Block Heater Question

Does it hurt to keep the block heater plugged in for a week while not
running the car?  
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question

[Craig]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:07:32 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

 Does it hurt to keep the block heater plugged in for a week while not
 running the car?

I recall hearing somewhere that the block heater is like a light bulb and
after many hours of use will burn out. I'm not sure if that is true or
not.

Not running the heater will save on electric costs to the tune of
9.6 KWh per day -- typically around a dollar a day.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question

[WILTON]

Now, if ya had a thermostat on it ---.  Well, it'd be nice, anyway.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question



On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:07:32 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:


Does it hurt to keep the block heater plugged in for a week while not
running the car?


I recall hearing somewhere that the block heater is like a light bulb and
after many hours of use will burn out. I'm not sure if that is true or
not.

Not running the heater will save on electric costs to the tune of
9.6 KWh per day -- typically around a dollar a day.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question

[Dan Penoff]

It's nothing more than a resistive element, so yes, like a light bulb it can 
eventually fail.

When I lived in the Great White North before I had a heated garage, I installed 
one of those timers that might be used for exterior lighting with a nice 
pigtail on the front wall of my garage. When I pulled in at night I plugged in 
the heater.  It turned on my heater around 3:00 am, which was more than enough 
to have things toasty by the time I left for work.

This worked well and helped to save on electricity.

Dan

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On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:07:32 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
 
 Does it hurt to keep the block heater plugged in for a week while not
 running the car?
 
 I recall hearing somewhere that the block heater is like a light bulb and
 after many hours of use will burn out. I'm not sure if that is true or
 not.
 
 Not running the heater will save on electric costs to the tune of
 9.6 KWh per day -- typically around a dollar a day.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question

[OK Don]

There are themostatic switches that will turn something on a variuos temps
available. I have on in the well house that controls an IR bulb to keep it
from freezing. You can get them at the home repair/building stores or
Amazon, etc.
http://www.amazon.com/Farm-Innovators-AFITC3-Thermocube-Controller/dp/B0006U2HD2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1357157191sr=8-2keywords=thermostat+switch

About leaving it on for extended periods - a warm engine will experience
less condensation and therefore rust on the internal parts (cam in
particular), so might, *in theory*, extend the life of the engine. This is
a big deal in aircraft engines that are used perhaps once a week - not so
much in daily drivers, but might be something to take into consideration to
balance the risk of burn-out of the heating element and cost of
electricity. No, I have not done this with mine, YMMV.
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 It's nothing more than a resistive element, so yes, like a light bulb it
 can eventually fail.




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2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question

[WILTON]

In the Michigan UP, my van with block heater and a small free-standing 
heater on engine cover inside, was plugged into a receptacle in the garage; 
when I got up on a morning cold enough (many of 'em were), I flipped garage 
CB on; by time I showered, shaved, dressed, ate a quick brkfst, etc., engine 
and inside of van were nicely warm and ice (if any) sloughing off windows. 
When I'd come back in, Id flip breaker back off 'till needed again.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question


It's nothing more than a resistive element, so yes, like a light bulb it 
can eventually fail.


When I lived in the Great White North before I had a heated garage, I 
installed one of those timers that might be used for exterior lighting 
with a nice pigtail on the front wall of my garage. When I pulled in at 
night I plugged in the heater.  It turned on my heater around 3:00 am, 
which was more than enough to have things toasty by the time I left for 
work.


This worked well and helped to save on electricity.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:


On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:07:32 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:


Does it hurt to keep the block heater plugged in for a week while not
running the car?


I recall hearing somewhere that the block heater is like a light bulb and
after many hours of use will burn out. I'm not sure if that is true or
not.

Not running the heater will save on electric costs to the tune of
9.6 KWh per day -- typically around a dollar a day.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Question

[clay monroe]

Might be a waste of electrons, but I do not think you would hurt the car.  If 
it is cold enough to need a block heater, the motor will lose calories to the 
air slowly enough that the element will not cook the oil.

clay


On Jan 2, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Jon Agne wrote:

 Does it hurt to keep the block heater plugged in for a week while not running 
 the car?  
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Re: [MBZ] block heater

[Jim Cathey]

Does anyone know if the block heater is thermostatically controlled?


It is not.  It's just a 400W immersion heating element.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] block heater

[Randy Bennell]

On 19/10/2011 5:32 PM, glenn brown wrote:

I've looked thru all my workshop manuals for my '84 300D but can't seem to 
locate any info. on the block heater.  Does anyone know if the block heater is 
thermostatically controlled?
TIA.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC 
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If you want it to be, I believe there are cords that have the thermostat 
built into them. Don't think it reflects the temperature of the engine 
however. It detects the outdoor temperature and will not turn on if the 
ambient air temperature is above -20 C. My understanding is that late 
model GM products all incorporate that feature.


If you wanted it to sense engine temperature, one would think it would 
not be too difficult to create something that would turn the block 
heater on and off depending on the temperature of the block or the coolant.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] block heater

[Fmiser]

 glenn brown wrote:

 
 I've looked thru all my workshop manuals for my '84 300D but
 can't seem to locate any info. on the block heater.  Does
 anyone know if the block heater is thermostatically
 controlled?

It is not.

Plug it in and it's on.

If the ambient air temperature is high enough, it's conceivably
possible for there to be too much heat.  However, the block
heater, in still air, only raises the jacket temperature by 30C
(85F) or so.  So to have the heater overheat the engine would
require an ambient temperature of 70C (160F)!  

I'm not sure of the temperature rise - I'm somewhat guessing,
based on imprecise observations.

--  Philip,  thinking about performing a test.

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Re: [MBZ] block heater

[Allan Streib]

glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com writes:

 I've looked thru all my workshop manuals for my '84 300D but can't
 seem to locate any info. on the block heater.  Does anyone know if the
 block heater is thermostatically controlled?  TIA.

As far as I know they are not.  Just a simple heating element that is
on if it's plugged in.

Allan

-- 
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] block heater

[Max]

Agree, just a resister, you can test with an ohm meter.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com writes:

 I've looked thru all my workshop manuals for my '84 300D but can't
 seem to locate any info. on the block heater. Does anyone know if the
 block heater is thermostatically controlled? TIA.

As far as I know they are not. Just a simple heating element that is
on if it's plugged in.

Allan

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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

[Rusty Cullens]

I have them in stock, not on web site.

Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris


Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay seller) like three 
weeks ago and it still is not here. Really pisses me off. Buymbparts does 
not have it on the site. I'll send him an e-mail and see whats up.


-Chris

P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this: 
http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html


Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is it convenient?


--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:


From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
-- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D
x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

[Christopher McCann]

Will be placing an order later today.

Thanks!

Chris

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com wrote:

 From: Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM
 I have them in stock, not on web site.
 
 Rusty Cullens
 BuyMBparts, Inc.
 Tel 1-800-741-5252
 Fax   770-454-9745
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Christopher McCann
 xtofer1...@yahoo.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
 
 
  Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay
 seller) like three 
  weeks ago and it still is not here. Really pisses me
 off. Buymbparts does 
  not have it on the site. I'll send him an e-mail
 and see whats up.
 
  -Chris
 
  P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this: 
  http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html
 
  Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is
 it convenient?
 
 
  --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin
 ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
  Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
  To: mercedes Mailing List
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
  -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
   92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89
 560SEL,
   89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85
 190D, 84 190D
  x2,
   84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76
 300D,
  http://www.okiebenz.com
 
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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

[Christopher McCann]

Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay seller) like three weeks 
ago and it still is not here. Really pisses me off. Buymbparts does not have it 
on the site. I'll send him an e-mail and see whats up.

-Chris

P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this: 
http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html

Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is it convenient?


--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
 To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D
 x2,
  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
 http://www.okiebenz.com
 
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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

call Rusty, he should have them.

Christopher McCann wrote:

Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay seller) like three weeks 
ago and it still is not here. Really pisses me off. Buymbparts does not have it 
on the site. I'll send him an e-mail and see whats up.

-Chris

P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this: 
http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html

Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is it convenient?


--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:


From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
-- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D
x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

[Christopher McCann]

Hmm...not sure what I was doing, but the block heater IS on the site. 

Chris


--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 7:16 PM
 call Rusty, he should have them.
 
 Christopher McCann wrote:
  Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay
 seller) like three weeks ago and it still is not here.
 Really pisses me off. Buymbparts does not have it on the
 site. I'll send him an e-mail and see whats up.
  
  -Chris
  
  P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this:
 http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html
  
  Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is
 it convenient?
  
  
  --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin
 ka...@striplin.net wrote:
  
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
  Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
  To: mercedes Mailing List
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
  -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
   92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89
 560SEL,
   89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85
 190D, 84 190D
  x2,
   84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76
 300D,
  http://www.okiebenz.com
  
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater works

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

so just the natural circulation with the heater going was enough to keep 
the windshield clear without the engine or blower running?


Curt Raymond wrote:

After realizing yesterday I didn't know if the block heater in my 240D worked 
or not I figured I'd better find out so last night before bed I plugged it in.
This morning I was amazed to see the windshield on the car basically clean 
while the truck was frosted over...
It was 15F but the car started like it was July...

Block heater works.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater works

[OK Don]

It worked that way with my 115s - set full heat and full defrost - run
the block heater, and the windshield would be mostly clear, unless
there was a lot of ice. even then, it was easier to scrape off.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 so just the natural circulation with the heater going was enough to keep the
 windshield clear without the engine or blower running?



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Re: [MBZ] Block heater works

[Curt Raymond]

T'would appear so.
It wasn't completely clear but one pass with the windshield wipers cleared it. 
I had to scrape the Ranger...

I should have gotten a picture... Maybe I'll do it again tonight, we're 
supposed to have snow, maybe it'll make for an even greater difference.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:21:54 -0600
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so just the natural circulation with the heater going was enough to keep 
the windshield clear without the engine or blower running?

Curt Raymond wrote:

After realizing yesterday I didn't know if the block heater in my 240D
worked or not I figured I'd better find out so last night before bed I
plugged it in.
 This morning I was amazed to see the windshield on the car basically clean 
 while the truck was frosted over...
 It was 15F but the car started like it was July...
 
 Block heater works.
 
 -Curt
 


  
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Re: [MBZ] block heater plug cover

[RELNGSON]

 I suppose the answer would be to just get some sort of cover for it...
 
Take a look at a new one at buymbparts.com and you will see the plug cover 
they all come with. The whole assembly is surprisingly inexpensive.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Block heater cord

[RELNGSON]

Back in my 300D days, my heater cord came out behind the bumper and I stored 
it inside same. Didn't fall out and since it had a plug cover, if it had dirt 
would not be a factor. And if it got dirty I'd clean it. 

Sakes alive!

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[OK Don]

My first Benz, a 220D, came from Minnesota with a heater just like
yours. I used to set the heater on high, open both the floor vents and
the defroster vents, plug the engine heater in at night, and would
find the windshield partially clear of frost/ice in the morning from
the air convection in the heater box.
I've since switched to Mobil 1 and don't use a block heater any more ---

On 12/6/06, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Several years ago, we used circulating engine heaters that were used when it
got cold in Alaska (also common in Northern states and Canada).  These
typically were T ed into a heater return line to the engine block.and had
an input connected to an engine block drain.  They came in 500, 750, 1000,
and 1500 Watt sizes, and were very effective in keeping the engine toasty
even in -40F weather.  I used a 1000 W unit on my 390 c.i. V-8, and a 750 W
unit on my 289 c.i. V-8.
Actually, about 30 minutes of operation were enough to let the engine start
easily, but mostly they stayed plugged in all night, so that the driver had
instant heat when the car started.  Fairly inexpensive and very effective,
they looked like a soup can with an AC cord coming out the side, and 2 -
5/8 hose connections.  Usually mounted low alongside the engine, to make
best use of the convection heating currents.

Werner


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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[TimothyPilgrim]

Okay, so we've covered the block heater well, so lets move to other
wintertime heating equipment. Namely glowplugs. How do I check to see
that all 5 of mine are working properly? I seem to recall there being
a voltage test.

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Jim Cathey]

Okay, so we've covered the block heater well, so lets move to other
wintertime heating equipment. Namely glowplugs. How do I check to see
that all 5 of mine are working properly? I seem to recall there being
a voltage test.


How's it start in the cold?  Good?  Then so are the plugs!
The best test is to measure the current through them (newer
parallel plugs) or the voltage across them (old series plugs).

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Jim Cathey]

What's the rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to get 
up to

temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?


Somewhere between 1-2 hours I no longer notice a difference
with extra time.  Depends on how cold it is.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Sunil Hari]

As a rule of thumb (esp on 123s, where it's easy) when I buy a car I replace
all the plugs.  Easy solution instead of checking resistances.

On 12/7/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 What's the rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to get
 up to
 temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?

Somewhere between 1-2 hours I no longer notice a difference
with extra time.  Depends on how cold it is.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Curt Raymond]

It really depends on the car and how cold it is...
On my 240D at temps down to about -15 30 minuts was plenty. At -20 it really 
needed an hour.

I'm SO glad to have a house this winter where I can plug the car in. I'm buying 
a light timer to turn on the Christmas lights which will be immediately 
repurposed into a car timer to turn on the heater at about the same time my 
alarm goes off.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:33:41 -0600 From: Fmiser  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block 
Heater To: Mercedes Discussion List  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII  rumor has it that Levi wrote:   I 
was wondering how much heating it could do if the coolant were  circulating... 
   Nope.  For diesel-cycle starting, the block and head are what need to be 
not cold. The stock location does a fine job of that!   Say with that nice 
heater coolant pump, or another  one elsewhere in the coolant lines to help 
heat my veggie tank...  Ahh, now _that's_ different!  If it were me, I would 
look at a FLAP aftermarket heater. The usually have fitting for attaching to 
heater hoses. That could work well to heat your fuel tank - maybe even without 
a pump.   Oh, and another more important question:  What's the rule of thumb 
as to how long it has to be plugged in to  get up to temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?  I 
believe Curt is the one who had to run
 his off an inverter and a marine battery. I recall he said 30 minutes made a 
_big_ difference.  I have mine on a timer and generally set it to turn on 3 hr 
before I expect to start the car. At that point, the temp/time slope is getting 
rather flat.  --Philip
 
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Unless its been a very recent change my latest oil analysis wouldn't bear that 
out. At 10,000 miles the Mobil 1 15w50 was just worn out, iron and a couple 
other wear metals had gotten on the high side. IIRC group III oils would suffer 
viscosity breakdown at that mileage.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:44:32 -0800 From: David Brodbeck  Subject: [MBZ] 
Group IV Synthetic (Was: Re:  Block Heater) To: Mercedes Discussion List  
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Marshall Booth wrote:  Group IV or IV/V synthetic oil (all the Mobil 1 oils 
are IV or IV/V   mixes) will increase cold cranking speed by 30-50% and low 
minimum  start   temp by about 10 degrees (or a bit more) other things equal. 
 Marshall, I'm curious if you've heard any of the rumors that Mobil 1  has 
quietly switched to a group III synthetic.  It's been making the rounds on 
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[andrew strasfogel]

Do the glow plugs play a role in keeping a 1983 300TD running after it
starts?  Mine starts but stalls until it has warmed up.


On 12/7/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It really depends on the car and how cold it is...
On my 240D at temps down to about -15 30 minuts was plenty. At -20 it
really needed an hour.

I'm SO glad to have a house this winter where I can plug the car in. I'm
buying a light timer to turn on the Christmas lights which will be
immediately repurposed into a car timer to turn on the heater at about the
same time my alarm goes off.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:33:41 -0600 From: Fmiser  Subject: Re: [MBZ]
Block Heater To: Mercedes Discussion List  Message-ID: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=US-ASCII  rumor has it that Levi wrote:   I was wondering how much
heating it could do if the coolant were  circulating...Nope.  For
diesel-cycle starting, the block and head are what need to be not cold.
The stock location does a fine job of that!   Say with that nice heater
coolant pump, or another  one elsewhere in the coolant lines to help heat
my veggie tank...  Ahh, now _that's_ different!  If it were me, I would look
at a FLAP aftermarket heater. The usually have fitting for attaching to
heater hoses. That could work well to heat your fuel tank - maybe even
without a pump.   Oh, and another more important question:  What's the
rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to  get up to
temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?  I believe Curt is the one who had to run
his off an inverter and a marine battery. I recall he said 30 minutes made
a _big_ difference.  I have mine on a timer and generally set it to turn on
3 hr before I expect to start the car. At that point, the temp/time slope is
getting rather flat.  --Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Steve MacSween]

on 12/7/06 10:53 AM, andrew strasfogel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do the glow plugs play a role in keeping a 1983 300TD running after it
 starts?  Mine starts but stalls until it has warmed up.

If the car has been retrofitted with the fast glow relay, yes they stay on
for a some time after startup.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no, not unless you have installed the upgraded afterglow setup.

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Do the glow plugs play a role in keeping a 1983 300TD running after it
starts?  Mine starts but stalls until it has warmed up.





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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Marshall Booth]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Do the glow plugs play a role in keeping a 1983 300TD running after it
starts?  Mine starts but stalls until it has warmed up.


What you describe is common in many older 61x engines if everything 
isn't working exactly as it was designed to work, but finding what's 
wrong can be a chore! The easies solution is to allow the plugs to glow 
for 10-20 seconds after the dash light goes out - and if that doesn't 
help, try raising the idle to 800+ rpm.


In older engines without afterstart glow function, the only effect 
that plugs have after the engine starts relates to the temperature 
within the prechamber. The temperature within the prechamber DOES 
influence how complete combustion will be. If it's cold enough, the 
engine will not start. The glow plugs raise the temperature enough to 
permit the fuel to be sufficiently atomized for compression to start the 
engine. If the spray pattern of the injectors is less than ideal, the 
minimum start temp will rise. If the valves are tight (so compression is 
low) minimum start temp will rise. If one glow plug is out (the dash 
light signal that preglow system is faulty may NOT be activated 
depending on which plug is out) or if the plugs are fatigued, minimum 
start temp will rise. If the glow plugs reach only 800-900 deg (that's 
about when the dash lamp is programed to go out) before the engine is 
started (rather than the maximum of 1180 that requires about 30 seconds 
of glow plug activation) then the engine may stall after it starts in 
very cold weather. It may also stall if the fuel isn't winterized and 
temps get below about 25-27 deg. C. If the rack damper screw is not 
properly adjusted, the engine may not start when cold or may stall after 
starting.


For reliable cold weather starting, EVERYTHING must be working correctly.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Loren Faeth]

The block heater puts out a steady output of heat.  Most block heaters use 
750 watts, and that can be translated into an average number of BTUs or 
calories.   After a period of time, the water temp in the engine reaches a 
steady state (SS), where the heat input equals the heat loss.  This SS temp 
depends on several variables, primarily the surface area exposed to ambient 
temp, the heat transfer properties of the conducting material (engine block 
and head, primarily) the ambient temperature and the degree of wind.  I 
have often see the block heater, if left on overnight raise the coolant 
temp enough that the needle is above the low peg when you start the 
engine.  A block heater on a car in a garage will normally produce a warmer 
temp that what would be reached in a car outside in the breeze.  In a tight 
garage, the leaking heat could even raise the ambient temp in the garage a 
degree or two.


Short answer, it could be 100 to 120 degrees F.


At 08:40 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote:

How warm does a block heater in a W123 heat up to? I plugged in my
diesel overnight (~ 28F) and it fired up immediately, while it takes
coaxing on a warm day without the heater.

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Sunil Hari]

it's a 500W heater, approximately heats to 40 C.

On 12/6/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


How warm does a block heater in a W123 heat up to? I plugged in my
diesel overnight (~ 28F) and it fired up immediately, while it takes
coaxing on a warm day without the heater.

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[TimothyPilgrim]

Some good points for sure, but my car lives outside. I've got a
single-car garage and it's where the motorcycles sleep.

Your answer is in line with what my coffee time mechanics told me just
now (I have morning coffee with the guys from the Cadillac shop across
the road). The youngest guy described all the variables that you just
did, but in the end they three guys actually gave an average value of
60-70 C or 138-158 F. It was explained that the block heater is
generally aimed at the #1 piston and that some of the newer Cadillacs
up here have a second block heater at the other end of the engine. How
does this compare to the W123?

Either way, the temperature is more than I suspected. I figured it'd
be just a hair above freezing, but now I see it's actually roasty
warm, more than a hot summer day in Toronto. I imagine having a high
temperature allows heat to migrate throughout the engine block, adding
to the overall effect. I sweat it started better this morning than on
a summer day without the heater. Maybe I should've been plugged in the
whole year round?

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:52:12 -0600
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

snip

Short answer, it could be 100 to 120 degrees F.

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Jim Cathey]

The block heater puts out a steady output of heat.  Most block heaters 
use

750 watts, and that can be translated into an average number of BTUs or


My MB ones measure about 450W.  Engine will eventually get to about
body temperature with enough time, unless sitting in an arctic blast.
(Wind chill comes into effect on anything heated.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Jim Cathey]

generally aimed at the #1 piston and that some of the newer Cadillacs
up here have a second block heater at the other end of the engine. How
does this compare to the W123?


Single one centered in the water jacket.  Does a fab job, and
it's not a V-X so there's a lot less thermal isolation from one
corner to the other.


a summer day without the heater. Maybe I should've been plugged in the
whole year round?


Depends on how much you like changing block heaters when they burn
out.  (As they will, eventually.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Mike Canfield]

That is kind of typical..The starting better thing that is.  My well 
worn 260K mile 6.9 diesel in my van starts much nicer when the heater is 
used in the cold compared to a nice sunny day and no heater.


Makes sense to me really.

Mike
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From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater



Some good points for sure, but my car lives outside. I've got a
single-car garage and it's where the motorcycles sleep.

Your answer is in line with what my coffee time mechanics told me just
now (I have morning coffee with the guys from the Cadillac shop across
the road). The youngest guy described all the variables that you just
did, but in the end they three guys actually gave an average value of
60-70 C or 138-158 F. It was explained that the block heater is
generally aimed at the #1 piston and that some of the newer Cadillacs
up here have a second block heater at the other end of the engine. How
does this compare to the W123?

Either way, the temperature is more than I suspected. I figured it'd
be just a hair above freezing, but now I see it's actually roasty
warm, more than a hot summer day in Toronto. I imagine having a high
temperature allows heat to migrate throughout the engine block, adding
to the overall effect. I sweat it started better this morning than on
a summer day without the heater. Maybe I should've been plugged in the
whole year round?

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

==
Message: 16
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:52:12 -0600
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

snip

Short answer, it could be 100 to 120 degrees F.

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Levi Smith]

I was wondering how much heating it could do if the coolant were
circulating...  Say with that nice heater coolant pump, or another one
elsewhere in the coolant lines to help heat my veggie tank...

Oh, and another more important question:
What's the rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to get up to
temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?

Levi

On 12/6/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That is kind of typical..The starting better thing that is.  My well
worn 260K mile 6.9 diesel in my van starts much nicer when the heater is
used in the cold compared to a nice sunny day and no heater.

Makes sense to me really.

Mike
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From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater


 Some good points for sure, but my car lives outside. I've got a
 single-car garage and it's where the motorcycles sleep.

 Your answer is in line with what my coffee time mechanics told me just
 now (I have morning coffee with the guys from the Cadillac shop across
 the road). The youngest guy described all the variables that you just
 did, but in the end they three guys actually gave an average value of
 60-70 C or 138-158 F. It was explained that the block heater is
 generally aimed at the #1 piston and that some of the newer Cadillacs
 up here have a second block heater at the other end of the engine. How
 does this compare to the W123?

 Either way, the temperature is more than I suspected. I figured it'd
 be just a hair above freezing, but now I see it's actually roasty
 warm, more than a hot summer day in Toronto. I imagine having a high
 temperature allows heat to migrate throughout the engine block, adding
 to the overall effect. I sweat it started better this morning than on
 a summer day without the heater. Maybe I should've been plugged in the
 whole year round?

 Tim
 1982 300TD
 1991 300TE 4Matic

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 Message: 16
 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:52:12 -0600
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

 snip

 Short answer, it could be 100 to 120 degrees F.

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Mike Canfield]

I think I figured mine runs about $.06 per hour to run according to my Kill 
a Watt meter.  I plug my van in at bedtime if I need it first thing in the 
AM and usually if I need it later in the day I just plug it in 2 hours or so 
in advance.  Mine is also an external type with a circulator pump in it so 
your results will likely be different than mine.


Mike
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From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater



I was wondering how much heating it could do if the coolant were
circulating...  Say with that nice heater coolant pump, or another one
elsewhere in the coolant lines to help heat my veggie tank...

Oh, and another more important question:
What's the rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to get up 
to

temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?

Levi

On 12/6/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That is kind of typical..The starting better thing that is.  My well
worn 260K mile 6.9 diesel in my van starts much nicer when the heater is
used in the cold compared to a nice sunny day and no heater.

Makes sense to me really.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater


 Some good points for sure, but my car lives outside. I've got a
 single-car garage and it's where the motorcycles sleep.

 Your answer is in line with what my coffee time mechanics told me just
 now (I have morning coffee with the guys from the Cadillac shop across
 the road). The youngest guy described all the variables that you just
 did, but in the end they three guys actually gave an average value of
 60-70 C or 138-158 F. It was explained that the block heater is
 generally aimed at the #1 piston and that some of the newer Cadillacs
 up here have a second block heater at the other end of the engine. How
 does this compare to the W123?

 Either way, the temperature is more than I suspected. I figured it'd
 be just a hair above freezing, but now I see it's actually roasty
 warm, more than a hot summer day in Toronto. I imagine having a high
 temperature allows heat to migrate throughout the engine block, adding
 to the overall effect. I sweat it started better this morning than on
 a summer day without the heater. Maybe I should've been plugged in the
 whole year round?

 Tim
 1982 300TD
 1991 300TE 4Matic

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 Message: 16
 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:52:12 -0600
 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

 snip

 Short answer, it could be 100 to 120 degrees F.

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Werner Fehlauer]

Several years ago, we used circulating engine heaters that were used when it 
got cold in Alaska (also common in Northern states and Canada).  These 
typically were T ed into a heater return line to the engine block.and had 
an input connected to an engine block drain.  They came in 500, 750, 1000, 
and 1500 Watt sizes, and were very effective in keeping the engine toasty 
even in -40F weather.  I used a 1000 W unit on my 390 c.i. V-8, and a 750 W 
unit on my 289 c.i. V-8.
Actually, about 30 minutes of operation were enough to let the engine start 
easily, but mostly they stayed plugged in all night, so that the driver had 
instant heat when the car started.  Fairly inexpensive and very effective, 
they looked like a soup can with an AC cord coming out the side, and 2 - 
5/8 hose connections.  Usually mounted low alongside the engine, to make 
best use of the convection heating currents.


Werner

- Original Message - 
From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater



I was wondering how much heating it could do if the coolant were
circulating...  Say with that nice heater coolant pump, or another one
elsewhere in the coolant lines to help heat my veggie tank...

Oh, and another more important question:
What's the rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to get up 
to

temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?

Levi

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[ts]

Was told  by manuf. standard 400 Watt Block heater will heat water to 50 +/- 
F over ambient air temperature.
- Original Message - 
From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater



it's a 500W heater, approximately heats to 40 C.

On 12/6/06, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


How warm does a block heater in a W123 heat up to? I plugged in my
diesel overnight (~ 28F) and it fired up immediately, while it takes
coaxing on a warm day without the heater.

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Mike Canfield]

YepThat's the one I have.  Not sure what size but it just barely trips 
my 800W inverter so it is probably the 1000W.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater


Several years ago, we used circulating engine heaters that were used when 
it

got cold in Alaska (also common in Northern states and Canada).  These
typically were T ed into a heater return line to the engine block.and 
had

an input connected to an engine block drain.  They came in 500, 750, 1000,
and 1500 Watt sizes, and were very effective in keeping the engine toasty
even in -40F weather.  I used a 1000 W unit on my 390 c.i. V-8, and a 750 
W

unit on my 289 c.i. V-8.
Actually, about 30 minutes of operation were enough to let the engine 
start
easily, but mostly they stayed plugged in all night, so that the driver 
had

instant heat when the car started.  Fairly inexpensive and very effective,
they looked like a soup can with an AC cord coming out the side, and 2 -
5/8 hose connections.  Usually mounted low alongside the engine, to make
best use of the convection heating currents.

Werner

- Original Message - 
From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater



I was wondering how much heating it could do if the coolant were
circulating...  Say with that nice heater coolant pump, or another one
elsewhere in the coolant lines to help heat my veggie tank...

Oh, and another more important question:
What's the rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to get up
to
temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?

Levi



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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Sunil Hari]

Hint - adjust the valves, make sure you have new glow plugs and a new(er)
battery, and -then- the block heater will make starting -really- easy.

My 74 240D started SO easily post-valve adjustment, I couldn't believe it.

On 12/6/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


YepThat's the one I have.  Not sure what size but it just barely trips
my 800W inverter so it is probably the 1000W.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater


 Several years ago, we used circulating engine heaters that were used
when
 it
 got cold in Alaska (also common in Northern states and Canada).  These
 typically were T ed into a heater return line to the engine block.and
 had
 an input connected to an engine block drain.  They came in 500, 750,
1000,
 and 1500 Watt sizes, and were very effective in keeping the engine
toasty
 even in -40F weather.  I used a 1000 W unit on my 390 c.i. V-8, and a
750
 W
 unit on my 289 c.i. V-8.
 Actually, about 30 minutes of operation were enough to let the engine
 start
 easily, but mostly they stayed plugged in all night, so that the driver
 had
 instant heat when the car started.  Fairly inexpensive and very
effective,
 they looked like a soup can with an AC cord coming out the side, and 2 -
 5/8 hose connections.  Usually mounted low alongside the engine, to
make
 best use of the convection heating currents.

 Werner

 - Original Message -
 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater


I was wondering how much heating it could do if the coolant were
 circulating...  Say with that nice heater coolant pump, or another one
 elsewhere in the coolant lines to help heat my veggie tank...

 Oh, and another more important question:
 What's the rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to get
up
 to
 temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?

 Levi


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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Marshall Booth]

Loren Faeth wrote:
The block heater puts out a steady output of heat.  Most block heaters use 
750 watts, and that can be translated into an average number of BTUs or 
calories.   After a period of time, the water temp in the engine reaches a 
steady state (SS), where the heat input equals the heat loss.  This SS temp 
depends on several variables, primarily the surface area exposed to ambient 
temp, the heat transfer properties of the conducting material (engine block 
and head, primarily) the ambient temperature and the degree of wind.  I 
have often see the block heater, if left on overnight raise the coolant 
temp enough that the needle is above the low peg when you start the 
engine.  A block heater on a car in a garage will normally produce a warmer 
temp that what would be reached in a car outside in the breeze.  In a tight 
garage, the leaking heat could even raise the ambient temp in the garage a 
degree or two.


Short answer, it could be 100 to 120 degrees F.


Mercedes block heaters are 400-500 Watt heaters. Under most conditions, 
they raise the temp to between 30-40 deg C.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Marshall Booth]

Sunil Hari wrote:

Hint - adjust the valves, make sure you have new glow plugs and a new(er)
battery, and -then- the block heater will make starting -really- easy.

My 74 240D started SO easily post-valve adjustment, I couldn't believe it.


Group IV or IV/V synthetic oil (all the Mobil 1 oils are IV or IV/V 
mixes) will increase cold cranking speed by 30-50% and low minimum start 
temp by about 10 degrees (or a bit more) other things equal.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that TimothyPilgrim wrote:


 It was explained that the
 block heater is generally aimed at the #1 piston and that some of
 the newer Cadillacs up here have a second block heater at the other
 end of the engine. How does this compare to the W123?

Both the OM616 and OM 617 have the heater in the water jacket below
the cylinder walls, a little to the back of center.

By heating the water jacket, the cylinder - and then the head - are
warmed so that the heat of compression doesn't just leak into the
block/head but stayes in the air where it can ignite the fuel.

 Either way, the temperature is more than I suspected. I figured it'd
 be just a hair above freezing, but now I see it's actually roasty
 warm, more than a hot summer day in Toronto.

It is rather dependant on ambient temperature and wind. There is no
thermostat for the block heater! Like others have said, there are a
lot of factors. Super-simplified it will raise the water temp a
particular number of degrees above ambient. But while it isn't really
that simple, the _principle_ applies.

 Maybe I should've been
 plugged in the whole year round?

There are some that suggest that - to save on starter wear.

On my cars, I generally plug them in once the air temperature is below
50 F (10 C) - if the trip is planned enough in advance...

-- Philip

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Levi wrote:

 I was wondering how much heating it could do if the coolant were
 circulating...  

Nope.

For diesel-cycle starting, the block and head are what need to be not
cold. The stock location does a fine job of that!

 Say with that nice heater coolant pump, or another
 one elsewhere in the coolant lines to help heat my veggie tank...

Ahh, now _that's_ different!

If it were me, I would look at a FLAP aftermarket heater. The usually
have fitting for attaching to heater hoses. That could work well to
heat your fuel tank - maybe even without a pump.

 Oh, and another more important question:
 What's the rule of thumb as to how long it has to be plugged in to
 get up to temp?  1hr?  5 hrs?

I believe Curt is the one who had to run his off an inverter and a
marine battery. I recall he said 30 minutes made a _big_ difference.

I have mine on a timer and generally set it to turn on 3 hr before I
expect to start the car. At that point, the temp/time slope is getting
rather flat.

--Philip

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[redghost]

I always was under the impression that all the cars had block heater, 
but not all cars had the cord.  The e300d has no cord, but being cali 
car did get a block heater.  in L.A.


On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 11:01 AM, John Berryman wrote:



On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Richard Barnaby wrote:


  Even if you COULD get by without it,
Why not have the oil more warm and available.
Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.



I do it for science. It is good to know how to get the car started
in the event of power failures ( which usually occur in Winter around
here) and how low you can go. I live where you live except they call
it New York over here.
I also run synthetic oil so my oil is always ready to be pumped. My
190D Euro has no block heater, it used to live in Florida. All of our
other MB diesels have block heaters. I will be installing one as well
as flushing the cooling system and refilling with G-05, when I get
around to it.
 I mostly tell my cold start stories so some of the other folks on
the list can feel more secure about their cars starting when it gets
cold.
It seems to me that many who live in much warmer climes than you and
I have the greatest paranoia when it comes to cold starts. I hope to
ease their minds and reduce the stress that they endure as a result.


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Zoltan Finks]

The hoops we jump through. I like your thought of aksing for an outlet
designed for disabled parking. Ooop, as I wrote this, it strikes me that you
must mean that you park beside the disabled spot, not in it obivously.

Looking for outlets reminds me of the time I took my Sportster for a trip
from Maryland to North Carolina. I had just installed a new Harley Davidson
battery, but I brought my battery charger just in case (as I'd been having
problems). Right at D.C., it started acting up - fortunately right by a rest
stop. I plugged my orange extension cord into an outlet on the side of the
building there (trailing it across the sidewalk and around the building).
That was what helped me limp it to the nearest HD service center (which I
found via pay phone - glad I had a calling card, 'cause I cel phones those
days were more a luxury). But in the mean time some worker at the rest stop
started threatening me that his boss would cut my cord if I didn't unplug
it. Sure enough, soon the big, bad manager guy showed up and threatened the
same. Why they were so bent on saving a few pennies in favor of letting
someone rescue themself, I'm not sure.

Brian
83 240D

On 3/10/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As  a salesman driving a late 1970s model diesel made by MB I get weird
 looks and remarks like does you car have navigation control, an ipod and a
 talking map?  Not

 When I make reservations at a hotel I always ask for an outside 110volt
 plug
 for my handicap car  They always accommodate.  They ask what the hell do
 you mean.  I plug em in with a timer.  around 3 to 4:00AM have her kick
 on.
 Now in 20-30 below stuff, I add my battery warmer, my magnetic lube heater
 (just to add heat to engine as synthetic is fine).  and just plug in
 before
 bed for all night.  Of course the best thing to get is the pencil type
 glows.  If you are still farting around with the filament type dump em.
 What a difference.  Thanks Marshall.

 Moral block heater is a must.  Now during the day if I park and it is real
 cold I go out every few hours and start the car up and spin the parking
 lot
 a few times.  I do find my self always looking for 110volt outlets at
 various places I drive just in case, terrible habit I know.  I also
 travel around with handy tester as I have plugged in to dead outlets
 before.
 I always test the outlet.

 Regards Tom Scordato
 - Original Message -
 From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no


 
  On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Richard Barnaby wrote:
 
Even if you COULD get by without it,
  Why not have the oil more warm and available.
  Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.
 
 
  I do it for science. It is good to know how to get the car started
  in the event of power failures ( which usually occur in Winter around
  here) and how low you can go. I live where you live except they call
  it New York over here.
  I also run synthetic oil so my oil is always ready to be pumped. My
  190D Euro has no block heater, it used to live in Florida. All of our
  other MB diesels have block heaters. I will be installing one as well
  as flushing the cooling system and refilling with G-05, when I get
  around to it.
  I mostly tell my cold start stories so some of the other folks on
  the list can feel more secure about their cars starting when it gets
  cold.
  It seems to me that many who live in much warmer climes than you and
  I have the greatest paranoia when it comes to cold starts. I hope to
  ease their minds and reduce the stress that they endure as a result.
 
 
  Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[John Berryman]

On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:43 PM, redghost wrote:


I always was under the impression that all the cars had block heater,
but not all cars had the cord.  The e300d has no cord, but being cali
car did get a block heater.  in L.A.



	I wish that was the case. I have owned at least a half dozen with no  
block heaters and not one that just needed the cord plugged in.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Marshall Booth]

redghost wrote:
I always was under the impression that all the cars had block heater, 
but not all cars had the cord.  The e300d has no cord, but being cali 
car did get a block heater.  in L.A.


Starting in the early/mid '80s all US delivered diesels had block 
heaters (but cords were dealer installed, often only if requested). Car 
delivered elsewhere didn't have heaters unless they were ordered as options.


Johnny B.s 190D 2.5 and my 2.0 are Euro cars and were NOT equipped with 
block heaters from the factory. They will reliably start down to about 
10-15 below zero F without a block heater (providing the fuel is treated 
and the preheating circuitry is working properly. Few European cars 
south of the Scandinavian countries were ordered with block heaters.


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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Desert Rat]

My 83 300SD was sold new at Downtown LA Motors in LA. Spend all it's
life in Southern CA and it had a block heater and cord. There was no
mention of this equipment on the Window Sticker as an otion...must
have been standard equipment.

On 3/10/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 redghost wrote:
  I always was under the impression that all the cars had block heater,
  but not all cars had the cord.  The e300d has no cord, but being cali
  car did get a block heater.  in L.A.

 Starting in the early/mid '80s all US delivered diesels had block
 heaters (but cords were dealer installed, often only if requested). Car
 delivered elsewhere didn't have heaters unless they were ordered as options.

 Johnny B.s 190D 2.5 and my 2.0 are Euro cars and were NOT equipped with
 block heaters from the factory. They will reliably start down to about
 10-15 below zero F without a block heater (providing the fuel is treated
 and the preheating circuitry is working properly. Few European cars
 south of the Scandinavian countries were ordered with block heaters.

 Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[redghost]

Really odd?  Would have thought it was no added issue for the factory 
to have installed it, where the dealer would have much issue and


OH, Profit center!  Well that makes sense.

On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 05:32 PM, John Berryman wrote:



On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:43 PM, redghost wrote:


I always was under the impression that all the cars had block heater,
but not all cars had the cord.  The e300d has no cord, but being cali
car did get a block heater.  in L.A.



I wish that was the case. I have owned at least a half dozen with no
block heaters and not one that just needed the cord plugged in.

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[mykd1]

my opinion on block heaters, for either gas or diesel if you live in a cold 
climate use it or get one if you can. Beats straining the battery
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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From: Richard Barnaby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:47:11 -0800
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no


Been following the Block Heater yes or no controversy.
My .02
First my credentials 300SD 1979 driving daily between
Montpelier VT and Montreal in up to (down to -30)
Ungaraged car. I used a block heater.
In most cases without it, won't start after overnight
But will start leaving at work w/o plug in.  BUT
If plug available will use it.
Rationale:  Even if you COULD get by without it,
Why not have the oil more warm and available.
Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.

Cold Weather true story.
Once at Montreal Airport Hilton, the temp was about -40 which is the temp at
which Celsius and Farenheit scales are the same, which is also common
knowledge to anyone living in this region.  It was really cold, and windy
too.  I was waiting along with others in the lobby for some reason, and
various people would enter and a gust of frigid air would immediately negate
any effect the hotel's heating system had built up since the last entry.
The desk clerk was a bit of a clown.  The temperature was a matter of public
knowledge that night.  When one new patron entered, and exclaimed Man it's
COLD out there.  The clerk, innocently said, How cold?.  The person
entering said Forty Below.  The clerk, again innocently, Is that Celsius
or Farenheit, baiting him for the expected reply, It's the SAME.  But
this patron obviously didn't know that, and instead exclaims, Who Cares?,
which if you think about it, is a much better reply.


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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Bill Gallagher]

Many years ago, I bought a car with a Audi 4 cylinder motor: Common 
knowledge at that time, it was very has to start in cold weather, and 
after a couple of time not starting, I was convinced about common 
knowledge  drained the oil and Mobil One solved the problem  
Less friction, motor able to turn over faster and start like a summer 
day with temps near 10F or less ... more than one solution to the 
same problem..


Bill
1981 300 TD

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

my opinion on block heaters, for either gas or diesel if you live in a cold 
climate use it or get one if you can. Beats straining the battery
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles

72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-

From: Richard Barnaby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:47:11 -0800
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no


Been following the Block Heater yes or no controversy.
My .02
First my credentials 300SD 1979 driving daily between
Montpelier VT and Montreal in up to (down to -30)
Ungaraged car. I used a block heater.
In most cases without it, won't start after overnight
But will start leaving at work w/o plug in.  BUT
If plug available will use it.
Rationale:  Even if you COULD get by without it,
Why not have the oil more warm and available.
Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.

Cold Weather true story.
Once at Montreal Airport Hilton, the temp was about -40 which is the temp at
which Celsius and Farenheit scales are the same, which is also common
knowledge to anyone living in this region.  It was really cold, and windy
too.  I was waiting along with others in the lobby for some reason, and
various people would enter and a gust of frigid air would immediately negate
any effect the hotel's heating system had built up since the last entry.
The desk clerk was a bit of a clown.  The temperature was a matter of public
knowledge that night.  When one new patron entered, and exclaimed Man it's
COLD out there.  The clerk, innocently said, How cold?.  The person
entering said Forty Below.  The clerk, again innocently, Is that Celsius
or Farenheit, baiting him for the expected reply, It's the SAME.  But
this patron obviously didn't know that, and instead exclaims, Who Cares?,
which if you think about it, is a much better reply.


  

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Bill Gallagher]

The advice I gave is in the New England area of the USA in the last 
post. I am a frequent traveler to Quebec City and the advice is very 
different  your are entering into a very different climatic zone 
with temps well below most parts of the US.
It recalls to me the Germany invasion of Russia in WW 
two..Germany lacked the the requirement of a Russian winter from 
clothing, oils for guns, grease in bearings, and the list is endless 
.Temps at -30 to -40C are normal in Russia but not in Germany. 
German equipment will not work or is very hard to operate.
Sometimes my car will start without over night block heater from 
10F to -10F without a problem in Canada At some other times it will 
not start  plug in the block heater for 1 hour or less, motor starts 
in a few seconds  My process of starting in cold temps like Canada 
is to glow plug cycle three times and attempt to start. If no start 
cranking after 2 to 6 seconds, repeat the glow cycle again, but most of 
the times it will not start . time for external heat source.
   Pour hot water several times on the fuel lines, injector, and  fuel 
filters and it starts most of the time .or wait until the block 
heater does it job.


Bill
1981 300 TD
p.s. no problem starting in places like Arizona, New Mexico, Africa, 
South America without block heater.

very different climatic environment ..


Bill Gallagher wrote:
Many years ago, I bought a car with a Audi 4 cylinder motor: Common 
knowledge at that time, it was very has to start in cold weather, and 
after a couple of time not starting, I was convinced about common 
knowledge  drained the oil and Mobil One solved the problem  
Less friction, motor able to turn over faster and start like a summer 
day with temps near 10F or less ... more than one solution to the 
same problem..


Bill
1981 300 TD

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

my opinion on block heaters, for either gas or diesel if you live in a cold 
climate use it or get one if you can. Beats straining the battery
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles

72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-

From: Richard Barnaby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:47:11 -0800
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no


Been following the Block Heater yes or no controversy.
My .02
First my credentials 300SD 1979 driving daily between
Montpelier VT and Montreal in up to (down to -30)
Ungaraged car. I used a block heater.
In most cases without it, won't start after overnight
But will start leaving at work w/o plug in.  BUT
If plug available will use it.
Rationale:  Even if you COULD get by without it,
Why not have the oil more warm and available.
Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.

Cold Weather true story.
Once at Montreal Airport Hilton, the temp was about -40 which is the temp at
which Celsius and Farenheit scales are the same, which is also common
knowledge to anyone living in this region.  It was really cold, and windy
too.  I was waiting along with others in the lobby for some reason, and
various people would enter and a gust of frigid air would immediately negate
any effect the hotel's heating system had built up since the last entry.
The desk clerk was a bit of a clown.  The temperature was a matter of public
knowledge that night.  When one new patron entered, and exclaimed Man it's
COLD out there.  The clerk, innocently said, How cold?.  The person
entering said Forty Below.  The clerk, again innocently, Is that Celsius
or Farenheit, baiting him for the expected reply, It's the SAME.  But
this patron obviously didn't know that, and instead exclaims, Who Cares?,
which if you think about it, is a much better reply.


  



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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:25:46 -0500 Bill Gallagher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 p.s. no problem starting in places like ... New Mexico 

We have single digit temperatures here, too. You must have missed them.



Craig

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Richard Barnaby]

Been following the Block Heater yes or no controversy.
My .02
First my credentials 300SD 1979 driving daily between
Montpelier VT and Montreal in up to (down to -30)
Ungaraged car. I used a block heater.
In most cases without it, won't start after overnight
But will start leaving at work w/o plug in.  BUT
If plug available will use it.
Rationale:  Even if you COULD get by without it,
Why not have the oil more warm and available.
Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.

Cold Weather true story.
Once at Montreal Airport Hilton, the temp was about -40 which is the temp at
which Celsius and Farenheit scales are the same, which is also common
knowledge to anyone living in this region.  It was really cold, and windy
too.  I was waiting along with others in the lobby for some reason, and
various people would enter and a gust of frigid air would immediately negate
any effect the hotel's heating system had built up since the last entry.
The desk clerk was a bit of a clown.  The temperature was a matter of public
knowledge that night.  When one new patron entered, and exclaimed Man it's
COLD out there.  The clerk, innocently said, How cold?.  The person
entering said Forty Below.  The clerk, again innocently, Is that Celsius
or Farenheit, baiting him for the expected reply, It's the SAME.  But
this patron obviously didn't know that, and instead exclaims, Who Cares?,
which if you think about it, is a much better reply.


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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[John Berryman]

On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Richard Barnaby wrote:


  Even if you COULD get by without it,
Why not have the oil more warm and available.
Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.



	I do it for science. It is good to know how to get the car started  
in the event of power failures ( which usually occur in Winter around  
here) and how low you can go. I live where you live except they call  
it New York over here.
	I also run synthetic oil so my oil is always ready to be pumped. My  
190D Euro has no block heater, it used to live in Florida. All of our  
other MB diesels have block heaters. I will be installing one as well  
as flushing the cooling system and refilling with G-05, when I get  
around to it.
	 I mostly tell my cold start stories so some of the other folks on  
the list can feel more secure about their cars starting when it gets  
cold.
	It seems to me that many who live in much warmer climes than you and  
I have the greatest paranoia when it comes to cold starts. I hope to  
ease their minds and reduce the stress that they endure as a result.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Christopher McCann]

When I first got Wulf I was paranoid about clouding, jelling, blah blah  blah. 
Central issue is that I baby Wulf to death. The 300TD - half  the time I plug 
it in, half the time I don't - no fuel anti-gel, etc  and on the coldest days 
this winter it would always start on the first  crank for me...and that's 6 
cylinders with a GP relay designed for 4.  So I see what ya mean. Missouri is 
NOT North Dakota anyway.
  
  Chris

John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Richard Barnaby wrote:

   Even if you COULD get by without it,
 Why not have the oil more warm and available.
 Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.


 I do it for science. It is good to know how to get the car started  
in the event of power failures ( which usually occur in Winter around  
here) and how low you can go. I live where you live except they call  
it New York over here.
 I also run synthetic oil so my oil is always ready to be pumped. My  
190D Euro has no block heater, it used to live in Florida. All of our  
other MB diesels have block heaters. I will be installing one as well  
as flushing the cooling system and refilling with G-05, when I get  
around to it.
  I mostly tell my cold start stories so some of the other folks on  
the list can feel more secure about their cars starting when it gets  
cold.
 It seems to me that many who live in much warmer climes than you and  
I have the greatest paranoia when it comes to cold starts. I hope to  
ease their minds and reduce the stress that they endure as a result.
 

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Interesting. So it will start after sitting (w/o blk. heater) for I assume
some 9 hrs. or so. And that is after a long trip in the morning. I imagine
it barely starts in this scenario if temps are particularly cold?

Brian
83 240D

On 3/10/06, Richard Barnaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Been following the Block Heater yes or no controversy.
 My .02
 First my credentials 300SD 1979 driving daily between
 Montpelier VT and Montreal in up to (down to -30)
 Ungaraged car. I used a block heater.
 In most cases without it, won't start after overnight
 But will start leaving

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Curt Raymond]

Assuming everything is working correctly (no burned out glow plugs) and its not 
-40F in the day time, after a day sitting at work the car should start fine. My 
240D never gave me any troubles at all after sitting all day at work but its 
rarely below 0F here during the day.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:32:47 -0600
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Interesting. So it will start after sitting (w/o blk. heater) for I 
assume
some 9 hrs. or so. And that is after a long trip in the morning. I 
imagine
it barely starts in this scenario if temps are particularly cold?

Brian
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Zoltan Finks wrote:
  Marshall: I'm going to say this with as much respect as I can muster:
 
 I did not say that I was not going to follow the guidelines in the owner's
 manual.
 
 I am simply trying to gather information from as many sources as possible.

That said, why not consult a cooking list, a home improvement list and a 
list that offers family counseling. I expect they will have novel 
approaches to cold starting a diesel!

I don't know of a more reliable source than Mercedes for starting a cold 
Mercedes. Most of the things you have reported hearing are NOT 
desirable! Might be prudent for you to forget EVERYTHING you've ever 
heard and just follow the recommendations in the owner's manual. That 
should eliminate MOST of the exogenous confusion and maximize the chance 
of starting the car.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Tom Scordato]

As  a salesman driving a late 1970s model diesel made by MB I get weird 
looks and remarks like does you car have navigation control, an ipod and a 
talking map?  Not


When I make reservations at a hotel I always ask for an outside 110volt plug 
for my handicap car  They always accommodate.  They ask what the hell do 
you mean.  I plug em in with a timer.  around 3 to 4:00AM have her kick on. 
Now in 20-30 below stuff, I add my battery warmer, my magnetic lube heater 
(just to add heat to engine as synthetic is fine).  and just plug in before 
bed for all night.  Of course the best thing to get is the pencil type 
glows.  If you are still farting around with the filament type dump em. 
What a difference.  Thanks Marshall.


Moral block heater is a must.  Now during the day if I park and it is real 
cold I go out every few hours and start the car up and spin the parking lot 
a few times.  I do find my self always looking for 110volt outlets at 
various places I drive just in case, terrible habit I know.  I also 
travel around with handy tester as I have plugged in to dead outlets before. 
I always test the outlet.


Regards Tom Scordato
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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no




On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Richard Barnaby wrote:


  Even if you COULD get by without it,
Why not have the oil more warm and available.
Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.



I do it for science. It is good to know how to get the car started
in the event of power failures ( which usually occur in Winter around
here) and how low you can go. I live where you live except they call
it New York over here.
I also run synthetic oil so my oil is always ready to be pumped. My
190D Euro has no block heater, it used to live in Florida. All of our
other MB diesels have block heaters. I will be installing one as well
as flushing the cooling system and refilling with G-05, when I get
around to it.
I mostly tell my cold start stories so some of the other folks on
the list can feel more secure about their cars starting when it gets
cold.
It seems to me that many who live in much warmer climes than you and
I have the greatest paranoia when it comes to cold starts. I hope to
ease their minds and reduce the stress that they endure as a result.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Peter T . Arnold]

Central Connecticut OCCASIOANLY see -0- o'night temps.

My car with DELVAC1 and functioning glow plugs starts damn quick with
out block heater.  I usually use the heater at single digit temps, to
assist the oil flow.  I have no reservations about it not starting if
I forget.

  It was not happy in Montreal a few years ago -20° and no heater.  A
kid in a clapped out rust heap of a Chebby jumped it.  I guess warming
the battery was enough to get her attention!


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is!

Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[David Brodbeck]

Kris Gilmore wrote:


  Electrocution, BS.  Fixing  a break in a 120V AC cord is about 
as far from rocket science as it gets.   And it is easy to test.
  
Fixing it is easy.  Fixing it so it'll be waterproof is harder.  If it's 
not waterproof, it won't stay fixed for long.


That said, this is a three-prong cord, and I assume the ground prong is 
bonded to the car chassis.  There shouldn't be any electrocution risk as 
long as you plug it into a grounded outlet.

Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Mike Canfield]

Liquid electrical tape or heat shrink tubing make very nice water tight 
connections.


Mike
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Kris Gilmore wrote:


  Electrocution, BS.  Fixing  a break in a 120V AC cord is about
as far from rocket science as it gets.   And it is easy to test.


Fixing it is easy.  Fixing it so it'll be waterproof is harder.  If it's
not waterproof, it won't stay fixed for long.

That said, this is a three-prong cord, and I assume the ground prong is
bonded to the car chassis.  There shouldn't be any electrocution risk as
long as you plug it into a grounded outlet.


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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Loren Faeth]

Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi 
river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal.  I 
knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.  He 
would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle.  He 
would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their bare hands.




Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.
From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn through 
after all

those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose you
plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's chassis, 
just

waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell electrocution?

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:19:47 -0600 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi 
 river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal. 
 I knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.
 He would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle. 
 He would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their
 bare hands.

That fellow with the hardware store was very foolish and very fortunate to
be alive. That trick will work ONLY with VERY DRY and VERY CLEAN hands.
The slightest amount of moisture on his hands and he would have been a
goner.

Your statement about the person in the Mississippi is also very wrong.

It only takes 0.01 ampere through your heart to cause it to go into
fibrilation. Without timely, competent medical treatment, you WILL DIE.
Please DO NOT play around with electricity -- it can be very dangerous.

And I say this not as someone who is afraid of electricity, but as one who
has been an electrical engineer in industry and now a physicist for over
30 years.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Loren Faeth]

Gee!  I must have been dead for 37 years and never noticed!One hand on 
the galvanized tin on the boathouse, where a wire was in contact with the 
tin when the light was on.  I didn't measure amps, but It did get my 
attention.


Can I collect back social security death benefits?  Might be enough to buy 
a Kleb car!


At 10:05 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:19:47 -0600 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi
 river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal.
 I knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.
 He would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle.
 He would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their
 bare hands.

That fellow with the hardware store was very foolish and very fortunate to
be alive. That trick will work ONLY with VERY DRY and VERY CLEAN hands.
The slightest amount of moisture on his hands and he would have been a
goner.

Your statement about the person in the Mississippi is also very wrong.

It only takes 0.01 ampere through your heart to cause it to go into
fibrilation. Without timely, competent medical treatment, you WILL DIE.
Please DO NOT play around with electricity -- it can be very dangerous.

And I say this not as someone who is afraid of electricity, but as one who
has been an electrical engineer in industry and now a physicist for over
30 years.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Jim Cathey]

Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi
river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal. 
 I
knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.  
He
would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle.  
He
would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their bare 
hands.


Not I!  I notice 120V more than that, for sure.  Just this weekend I was
careless while diagnosing our downstairs cooking range, and managed to
run a little 120 through myself.  Did not enjoy it, no.  (Yes, I know
you're supposed to kill the power before grabbing a screwdriver, but I
was trying to find out why it didn't seem to be getting power.  Well, 
it was.

On one leg.)  I generally don't screw around with this stuff, but it's
not rocket science either.  A repair job on a power cord is just about
the simplest job there is, but that doesn't mean it's for everyone.

But, extending our abilities is a large part of what this list is about.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Mike Canfield]

That could end up one hell of a catastrophe about time the doubter 's 
pacemaker went poof  StupidReally, really stupid.


Mike
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Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi
river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal.  I
knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.  He
would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle.  He
would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their bare 
hands.




Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.
From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn through
after all
those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose you
plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's chassis,
just
waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell electrocution?

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:50:10 + LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You must be really old! I always thought you were about my age or
 younger.

I'm 55. How old are you?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Levi Smith]

I agree.  While I certainly don't RECOMMEND getting shocked with any amount
of electricity, I would say that there's a good probability you're not going
to die from it.  (that said, you never know for sure, especially if it's
passing through your heart...)
My uncle once had a trailer that he just ran some quick power to with an
extension cord or something and somehow screwed up cause I went to the door
and touched the metal side.  YOWCH.

Also I somehow was messing with a christmas light set (the old ones that ran
120v to the bulbs) and stuck my finger in the socket.  YOW!

I'm sure I've done it one or two other times as well (at least)

And of course that doesn't count the occasional touching of the electric
fence...  (:

Levi

On 12/13/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 it is not advisable for people with pacemakers to play with 120v.
 It also helps to have callouses on your fingers.  Almost all the patrons
 of
 said hardware store were farmers with calloused fingers.  Burkie would not
 let you grab the wires if your fingers were wet.

 Worst zap I ever got was one leg of 440 in the basement of the Turtle Bay
 HIlton while kneeling in a puddle of water.  That got my attention!  I had
 taken all the precautions available, but was nervous about the
 water.  Needless to say, I took even more precautions while finishing the
 job.

 I am not advocating being stupid.  A couple of guys I have known have been
 electrocuted.  I AM saying that 120v with dry skin and rubber/plastic
 soled
 shoes is not the mortal shock some are advocating, (unless you have a
 pacemaker.)  It is just introducing a bit of perspective into the
 discussion of replacing cords.  I am very cautious around electricity.  My
 point is only that if you take proper precautions, such as wearing rubber
 soled shoes and keeping your feet dry, most contact with low voltage is
 not
 fatal, and nothing to get hysterical about.

 If a new cord was used and routed over a wear/abrasion point, it is just
 as
 possible that it could theoretically pass 120 V to the chassis (after a
 period of time) as a repaired cord.  A properly repaired cord is not a
 death sentence.

 At 07:05 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:
 That could end up one hell of a catastrophe about time the doubter 's
 pacemaker went poof  StupidReally, really stupid.
 
 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics
 
 
   Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the
 Mississippi
   river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally
 fatal.  I
   knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare
 wires.  He
   would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a
 tickle.  He
   would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their bare
   hands.
  
  
  Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is
 inconsequential.
   From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn through
   after all
  those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose
 you
  plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's
 chassis,
  just
  waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell electrocution?
  
  RLE
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[LT Don]

Two years behind you.

On 12/13/05, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:50:10 + LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You must be really old! I always thought you were about my age or
  younger.

 I'm 55. How old are you?


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Jim Cathey]

My uncle once had a trailer that he just ran some quick power to with 
an
extension cord or something and somehow screwed up cause I went to the 
door

and touched the metal side.  YOWCH.


That was _our_ trailer when I was a kid!  Was never properly grounded
somehow (my dad wasn't that great with wiring as it turns out), and for
_years_ you had to remember to jump up when opening the front door if
you were barefoot and it was damp outside.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Jim Cathey]

Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is 
inconsequential.


The cost is not huge, no.  (Though it is a significant percentage of the
cost of that car.)  The _point_ of the advice, however, is not
inconsequential.  Before just throwing money at a problem, it is
wise to actually diagnose the condition.  For example, had I bought
a new cord for the Chicken Wagon's very strange (and multiplex) block
heater system it would have been a total waste of money.  In fact, the
block heater element was burnt out, so a new cord would be useless even
though the old cord was quite obviously a total mess.  The new element
itself came with a new cord.

From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn through 
after all
those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose 
you
plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's 
chassis, just waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell 
electrocution?


No supposition about it.  If my advice is followed, there is absolutely
no risk whatsoever, because you've totally examined the situation and
have not done anything that is unsafe.  Nor have you left unexamined
any part of the system that _could_ be unsafe.  If you do not feel
qualified to repair simple wiring, you should not try to repair
simple wiring.   That's a no-brainer.  But if you _are_, why not
save the money for something more necessary?  Advice traded here
is among competent adults who are assumed capable of evaluating
their own abilities and acting accordingly.  Not children.

Do you think that I was crazy to have replaced the three stranded
10ga wires in my home furnace that had oxidized, overheated,
and burned out.  Total cost: nil, I had a roll of suitable wire.
Should I have ordered a new furnace instead?  How do I know that
it won't explode instantly when it's turned on, the old furnace at
least has proven itself to be safe and reliable over 30 years.

Humph.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[R A Bennell]

My experience here in the north (at least compared to most of you folks) is
that the cord usually fails in one of two places.

1. The end with the plug where you plug it into the extension cord because
it is handled the most and hangs out of the car. Replacing the plug may be
an option but often the wire is corroded back a way and you don't have a lot
of cord to permit you to shorten it. I did use a chunk of cord and reconnect
under the hood on a 97 Mercury Sable that we had as a stop gap measure until
we could get a replacement cord.

2. The other end where it plugs into the socket on the block heater at the
engine. I don't know whether it is the heat or not but I suspect that to be
the cause. Often the rubber plug will deteriorate to the point where that
end shorts out. It ususally (at least in my experience) does not harm the
block heater and a new cord will correct the problem.

Generally, one is better off to get a cord at the dealer as it is usually
longer than those offered in the afermarket. A long cord is good as it
allows one to tie it back out of the way and snake it through to the grill
and out by the bumper somewhere so that the hood need not be opened to use
it.

Remember to tuck it back in under the hood before going through the car
wash.

Randy

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Well, a good eyeball examination is usually wise before spending the
money.  It may be that you can patch up the existing cord,
somebody could well have yanked hard on it and cut into the insulation on a
sharpish edge of sheet metal.  Cutting the cord there and splicing it back
together properly could be all that's required.  So long as the end that
plugs
into the engine is OK, the rest is just Hardware Store 101.

That and an ohmmeter to verify that the heating element itself
is not open or shorted

Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.
From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn through after
all
those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose you
plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's chassis,
just
waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell electrocution?

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

[Kris Gilmore]

At 03:05 PM 12/12/2005, Jim C and then RLE wrote:

Well, a good eyeball examination is usually wise before spending the
money.  It may be that you can patch up the existing cord,
somebody could well have yanked hard on it and cut into the insulation on a
sharpish edge of sheet metal.  Cutting the cord there and splicing it back
together properly could be all that's required.  So long as the end 
that plugs

into the engine is OK, the rest is just Hardware Store 101.

That and an ohmmeter to verify that the heating element itself
is not open or shorted

Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.
From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn 
through after all

those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose you
plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's 
chassis, just

waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell electrocution?


 Electrocution, BS.  Fixing  a break in a 120V AC cord is about 
as far from rocket science as it gets.   And it is easy to test.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

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